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A09112 The vvarn-vvord to Sir Francis Hastinges wast-word conteyning the issue of three former treateses, the Watch-word, the Ward-word and the Wast-word (intituled by Sir Francis, an Apologie or defence of his Watch-word) togeather with certaine admonitions & warnings to thesaid [sic] knight and his followers. Wherunto is adioyned a breif reiection of an insolent, and vaunting minister masked with the letters O.E. who hath taken vpon him to wryte of thesame [sic] argument in supply of the knight. There go also foure seueral tables, one of the chapters, another of the controuersies, the third of the cheif shiftes, and deceits, the fourth of the parricular [sic] matters conteyned in the whole book. By N.D. author of the Ward-word. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1602 (1602) STC 19418; ESTC S114221 315,922 580

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any reason of state or gouernment at home and if in the tyme of her Maiesties raigne there hath byn lesse actual home warre then in her Fathers brothers and sisters tyme for matters of religion much may be attributed to her owne moderation especiallie at the beginning in not yeilding to the furious humors of some hoate sectaries that would easely haue put all in combustion had not other counsel bene folowed to transfer the fyre rather to other mens houses then to haue it in her owne but the most especial part in this may trulie be geuen to the mylde and bearing natures of Catholikes that haue passed so many yeares vnder the heauie yoke of persecution rather with muttering then mouing Patience of Catholykes and yet what peace we may truelie be said to haue at home when such diuision of harts iudgments and wils is discouered as this knight in this very encounter doth affirme I cannot determyne but do leaue it to other men and himselfe also to consider But as for forayne warres vnder her Maiesties raigne whom most this fleering knight would flatter in this behalfe I would aske but himselfe hath it not bene almost perpetual with all our neighbours round about vs at one tyme or other and that for religion it selfe which this man braggeth to haue brought sweet peace haue not our armes byn seene in France for many yeares together against diuers kings therof for the same quarrel Foraine vva●res let Newhauen speake by vs held if the knight wil not answere let Lithe also in Scotland tel vs if our armes were there against their lawful Prince in fauour of heresie and as for Spayne and Burgundie our eldest and surest allies in tymes past I thinke no denyall can be made but with greater impudency then this brag of peace is asserted and now what great treasures haue bene sp● in those continual forayne warres wha● numbers of men consumed both by sea and land in this action for maintenance of thi● cursed new Pandora so is heresie termed by old Irenaeus it is hard to count ●enzus li. 2. cap. 19. 53. but easie to ghesse and yet telleth vs this man of his long sweet and profitable peace as though warres maintayned in Holland Zealand Ireland France Spayne Portugal Indies and other places by English armes English money English blood and all for maintenance of Geneua religion were no warres but all peace all sweetnes all profit all felicitie wherfore to obey Aristotle and not to reason any further when sense conuinceth so notorious a flatterie and vntruth I wil say no more hereof There ensueth the eyght and this no smal blessing as this knight sayth of power in foraine countryes ● Blessing of povver in forrayne countryes which what it may be we hauing no one foote of our owne beyond the seas since Calis by heretical treason was lost I do not wel see and yf we compare it with the great large prouinces we had before vnder Catholike Religion and especiallie with the change of our old mighty and honorable allyes and confederated Princes to our new gotten frends we shal soone discouer the fayntnes and fondnes of this blessing which is seene also by the qualitie of those persons and their cause which our K. braggeth to haue had their refuge in England vnder a womans gouernment out of France Flanders Swethland Scotland and other countryes who yf they haue bene none commonlie but open rebels to their true and lawful Princes their cause heresy or Atheisme then hath their refuge to England as also the Turkes familiarity wherof this prophane K t. vaunteth by name bene certayne effectes of the new ghospel litle honorable to our country or her Ma tie though by necessarie consequence of a course thrust vpon her she hath bene enforced to entertayne them whom otherwise of her most honorable and princelie disposition she could not but contemne and in her hart detest And so much of them not worthy the memory Next this cometh the nynth blessing which is as he sayth great wealth of the land encreased by this change of religion Blessing vvealth of the land Pag. 27. much riches plentie and aboundance such as hath not lightlie bene knowne before Wherabout I must tel our K t. first that it shal be reason that in this poynt we stand not only to his relation but that we aske our people of England them-selues what they feele at home in their countryes and not what pleaseth him in his chamber to imagin and to set downe ●t home with his pen sitting more at ease perhaps then many others especiallie since the match with the ritche widdow Hann●●● who hath eased wel the blow receyued before by the ●urchasing Yeoens-baron Yeoens repayred much he ruinous walles of his Cadburie Ierusalem And trulie where this so blessed aboundant encrease of riches should ly in particular which this our K. so greatlie boasteth of I do not see for yf we consider the nobilitie and gentrie of our Land at this day and compare them with that wealth which was wont to be in former tymes Old nevv riches of our nobilitie I meane power with power riches with riches multitude of seruāts with multitude of seruāts house-keeping with house-keeping and other such like effectes of wealth and riches I doubt me much how S. F. can verifie this blessing And for him-selfe though I wil not enter to feele his purse yet for so much as publike fame telleth I may say without slaunder that hauing sold all or the most parte of his owne landes and spent his goods vpon enterteynment of Ministers or other like ministerial minions he may better brag of good fellowship and liberalitie then of great blessing of riches and in the same case take I the most part of his fellow ghospelling knightes to be notwithstanding their daylie feeding vpon Catholikes goodes and that their Almes extend not to buyld Monasteries Colledges Churches or hospitals as their Ancestors did before them that were of an other religion so as to the nobilitie and gentry of our land the participation of this great blessing seemeth to be but litle And as for the commonalty we ought as I said to heare them-selues speake in their owne case VVealth of the commonaltie and not this seelie procter only which intrudeth him-selfe without proxie or commission and perhaps also not so wel informed in the case as he might be or not so faythful in relating as were conuenient for sure I am this cannot be denyed that when her Ma ti●s tributes and other duetyes are to be exacted of the cōmon people though otherwayes they pay them willingly to their power yet heare I great difficulties and complaintes of penurie and where then consisteth this extraordinarie blessing of so great riches plentie and aboundance brought in by change of religion which yet is so exceeding great by this mānes vaunt as it is able ready to susteyne such
try out truth among them after lōg proof that Scripture alone wil not do it yf O. E. and his compagnions wil accept of his offer to go and pray with them in the feilds of Holland to stay the Sunne they may chance to agree together at the next new moone to whose wanes and changements I leaue both them and the progresse of their religion and meane only to say a fewe words more about the fruits of good works and temporal benedictions and so to end this first encounter wherin I haue byn ouer long already OF THE FRVITES OF vertue and good workes praetended to haue followed by change of religion as also of eyght temporal inconueniences which may be called curses or maledictions insued by thesame and how O.E. behaueth him selfe in this controuersye CAP. XVIII THow wilt not forget good reader I hope how in the tenth chapter of this Encounter we examined the fourth blessing of the new ghospel assigned by S.F. to be good lyfe En. 1. cap. 10. and holy woorks of Protestants aboue other men for otherwise it could be no special blessing of their ghospel where I shewed first that seing this blessing was testified only by them-selues not by their neighbours that liued with them and ought to feele the effect● of this blessing it was vayne and rather to be esteemed a brag then a blessing which I confirmed for that the warder comming to th● immediates and particulars wherin and b● what meanes good workes might be tryed discerned whether protestants or Catholykes abound more in them the K t. slippeth a syde and letteth passe the whole declaration of the warder without so much as a beck or nod at it for which respect I haue thought conueniēt to repeat thesame agayne in this place in the Warders owne words for that they are not many and to see at least what the Aduocate minister supplyeth for his Cliēt the K t. in this behalf thus then wrote the warder After assurance stabilitie and vnion in beleef the next greatest spiritual benedictions that can be expected of any doctrine Pag. 6. VVhat effectes of vertue nevv religion hath vvrought are the good effects of vertue which it worketh in mennes mynds manners as it was foretold by Esay the Prophet that Christs doctrine should so alter mens conditions and natures that such as were most fearce sauadge and wicked before should by this doctrine become most humble Esa 11. kynd and gentle The wolfe sayth he shal dwel with the lambe and the parde shal lye with the goate the calfe lyon and sheep shal abyde together and a litle chyld shal be able to gouerne them all Wel then hath the protestants doctryn wrought these effects of peace meeknes man●uetude and agreement I haue touched be●ore the bloody tragedyes raysed in France ●landers Scotland and other places vpon the ●●rst rising therof I might ad Switzerland and ●ermany where their owne stories do testifie ●●at aboue a hundreth thousand people were ●ayne within one yeare by the rebellion and warres of the coūtrymen against their lordes Sledan for the controuersie of religion such humilitie obedience and meekenes of hart imprinted presentlie this new doctrine when it came But let vs see other effects Christs doctrine exhorteth to penance to mortification of the flesh to continency virginity fasting praying almes voluntarie pouerty renouncing of the world and the lyke Are there more of these effects now adayes in England or before or are their more in Syr. F. and his men then in ours doth he and his ghospellers pay their debts better then Catholykes doe or keep better houses or more hospitalitie or rayse their rents lesse or take lesse fynes or vse their tenants better or lend their neighbours more money without vsurie or do they help to marrie more poore mennes daughters and other such lyke good works of charitie Is pryde in apparel gluttony dronkennesse lecherie swearing and forswearing couetousnes crueltie falshood deceipt theeuerie lack of conscience oppressing of poore men more or lesse now adayes in vre or before when yet this change was not made Let S. F. answere me to this and not he only but the whole country round about him and then let him tel me with witnesses whether they be spiritual blessings or curses that haue ensued vpon this change of religion so much commended by him and so I shal passe to weigh his temporal benedictions which perhaps he esteemeth farre more thē these spiritual Thus he To all this treatie of the fruits of vertue vertuous lyfe in Protestants S. F. answereth not so much as one lyne and therfore his prating Proctor to helpe out his maister must needs bestyrre him-selfe to say som-what but how fit to the purpose and state of the question his owne words shal shew for thus he beginneth Pag. 23. I answere sayth he that the doctrine of the ghospel hath wrought good effect in all true Christians and albeit euery one do not so square their liues according to Gods lawe as they should yet compart our people with the Papists nay with the Priests and Popes them-selues whom they call most holy * For his office and not for his person I make no question but they do sarre excel them Loe heere this fellow is quick and resolute he maketh no question of that which is most in question or rather which is all the question whether protestants in all countryes where they lyue be of better lyues generally then Catholykes or that which is the same in effect but yet more easie to be discerned whether the world since the rising of Luther and Caluins new doctrine which this man calleth the ghospel Sup. cap 17. nu 10. though before he haue cōdemned the same in diuers poyntes as yow haue heard the manners of men haue byn generally better or worse for that according to the warders discours● Christs owne words true relig●on and reformation bringeth euer with it better lyfe and behauiour of men this then is the true state of the question whether protestants religion haue done this or no wherof we haue shewed the negatiue part before out of their owne wryters and the meanest man woman or chyld that lyueth at this day yf they haue heard of things past or can behold matters present with any iudgement wil easely discerne Yet this resolute Minister as yow see maketh no question to the contrarie and so from this general assertion passeth on to prayse exceedinglie the clemencie and vertue of protestant Princes and then turneth he to the contrarie which is his only plausible common place to dilate and delight him-selfe I meane against Rome and her Popes But the whorish synagoge sayth he of Rome yow must not maruaile of the speech for that whores and knaues in his ministerie do oftē meet shee is red with the blood of saincts no tyger was euer more fearce and cruel Thus in general and then layeth he load vpon Popes Card.
Henry Kings of Frāce the States of the low countreys the people of Portugal who haue fallen into diuers troubles warres and disasters not-withstanding they contynued the masse and were Catholyks in religion But I would aske O. E. whether these troubles came by their chaūge of religion or noe For yf they did not then are they impertinent to our purpose which is to shew that by change of religion commonly do ensue troubles but not that only by this meanes disasters are incurred as though there were no other for that Catholyke Princes people also may incurre troubles by other meanes then by change of religion but they auoyd those which this change doth bring with yt Change of religion in France and Flanders Wherfore this noddy is discouered to speake nothing to the purpose in bringing in those fiue examples wherof foure not-with-standing are wholy against him-selfe for that all the troubles which he mentioneth to haue happened to Catholyke Princes and people in France and Flaunders haue byn occasioned by change of religion inforced vpon them by others as the world knoweth and not by ●heir owne willes and so hauing seene what ●his minister hath answered to the Warders ●reface of temporal hurts we may imagine ●ow substantially he wil satisfie afterward ●o the points them-selues wherof the first ●ower are those that follow And first saith the warder yf religion had not byn chaunged her Ma tie at this day had had a most f●orishing Kingdome VVarnvvord Pag. 8. vnited both to her and amonge them-selues in religion 1 Strength and felicity by vnion iudgment affection fidelity and frend-●hip as other realmes Cath. of the world are seene to bee as ours for aboue a thousand yeares togeather with much honour and felicity is knowne to haue remayned 2 Security Heerof had ensued that none of these feares and terrors of conquests inuasions assaults treasons conspiraties the lyke which this VVach-man endeauoreth to lay before vs had euer come in con●ideration for that England vnited in yt selfe hath euer synce it was a monarchy made other Kingdomes and prouinces round abou● yt to feare her forces as by matters happened in France Ireland and Scotland for many ages is euident and she neuer greatly feared any Thirdly England had had her Ma tie at this day by all likelyhood a ioyful mother of many faire and princely children 3 Issue of her Maiestie for that the principal cause of her graces not marrying is to be presumed to haue proceeded of the differen● religion of forrayne princes who desired th● same on the one side and one the other th● inequality of blood in her owne subiects for such aduancement For to attribute this great resolution of he● Ma tie to the only loue of sole lyfe and mayd●-head I doubt how yt can be iustifiable sein● that amōg Catholyks where such profesio● is more praysed and practised they vse sometymes to draw out euen vowed nunnes from ●heir cloysters to marriage for so weightie a ●ause as is the sauing of succession in so great a ●rowne as England is knowne to be And ●mong Protestants virginity is not of that ne●essity or meryt as for yt to incurre so great ●●conueniences notwith-standing the base ●nd seruile flattery of this crouching Knight ●ho casteth in now and then the memory of 〈◊〉 mayden Queene without respecting the ●eadly wound which his countrey receyueth ●●erby Foorthly of this had followed the sure esta●●ishment of the succession of this imperial ●●owne in the blood and race of the vnited ●●yal houses of York and Lancaster 4 Establishmēt of successiō and of 〈◊〉 l●ne of the noble K. Henry the 7. which ●ne being now to end with her Ma tie in the ●●rect discent is lyke to bring great daungers 〈◊〉 the realme For albeyt there want not of ●●llateral branches yet their causes are other●ayes so implicated for diuers ●espects but ●●ecially by difference of religion which had ●uer happened yf the chaunge had not byn ●ade as no man can tel what wil be the end ●●d most men do feare extreame calamityes ●●erby Thus saith he Wher-vnto for the first two ●●ints our minister answereth nothing in ●●ect First secōd inconuenience feare daunger but that the VVarder mistaketh S. F. meaning 〈◊〉 think him to haue spoken any thing of feare ey●●● of forrayne inuasions or domestical treasons but ●●at is this to the purpose had yt not byn better that all this had byn aduoyded Bu● heare him further Pag. 30. But suppose saith he Poper● had byn continued how could this noddy haue giuen 〈◊〉 warrant that we should haue byn neyther oppug●e● by enemyes abroad nor by traytors at home VVa●n● Henry the 3. of France excommunicated by the Pop● oppugned by his subiects murdered by a Dominica● fryar notwith-standing his zeale in popery Marke heere the mannes wit there be tw● parts of his demaund the first how the Wa●der could warrant c. wher-vnto is easi●● answered that such hurts as came by alterati●● of religion as diuision of mynds iudgemen● and affections c. had byn easily warrante● yf religion it self had not byn altered The second part about K. Henry the thir● of Fraunce is ridiculous About Hēry late K. of France for he was not troubled for changing of religion him-selfe b● for being presumed to fauour them vnder-ha●● that meant to change religion for the dea● of noble Princes as all the world knowet● hauing as diuers write giuen his oath a●● fidelitie to the contrary and receyued the S●crament for confirmation therof and yet yt eyther presumption or ignorance in t●● compagnion so bodly to affirme that the Po●● did excōmunicate the said King for this fa●● which excommunication no man euer y● saw published To the third principal poynt about the pr●bability of noble issue in her Ma tie yf chan●● of religion had not byn 3 Inconuenience lack of i●sue royal this parasite pr●leth as yf he were Iack daw shewing wil 〈◊〉 talke but lacking wit to say any thing to the ●urpose telling vs only that yf it had pleased ●er Ma tie to haue married she might as wel ●aue marryed in protestant religion as in Ca●holyke and that their women may haue fayre ●rincely children as wel as ours and that ●●uers Cath. Princes did seeke her marriage ●nd amongst others the K. of Spayne And ●hat the french K. sister at this day is marryed ●hough she be a protestant and that Q. Mary ●as marryed and yet had no children and di●ers other such trifling toyes which we deny ●ot but say that they are impertinent and ●o not touch the substance it selfe of the ●atter meant by the Warder which is that 〈◊〉 a Cath. state there would haue byn other ●anner of instance made to her Ma tie other ●ounsel and resolution of learned men layd ●efore her for her obligation to marry in such case for sauing of a common wealth
him as one of the companie cryed out belyke some poore woman that was his Hostes or other new sister bewiched by him Beatus venter qui te portauit Luther in act VVormat Blessed was the belly that bare thee which yet other Authors do not testifie But yf it were so yt was no lesse vanitie arrogācie in him to report yt of himself then madnes in the other to make that comparison of him with Christ and yet it seemeth he was made therby both more proud and obstinate For albeit he were dealt with all afterward by diuers sent vnto him by the Archb. of Triuers and others of that counsel to reforme himself yet would he not but stil remitted himself to the word of God which the Emperor vnderstanding sent vnto him his Secretarie the chancelor of Austria commanding him that within one and twentie dayes he should depart and put himselfe within his owne securitie agayne vpon his owne peril And this was the Emperors fauour of which S.F. so much braggeth that Luther departed from Wormes in safetie which was to much fauour in deed considering eyther his merits or the publyke dammages insued by him afterward to the world and happie had yt beene for many thousand soules yf he had byn dealt withal as Iohn Husse was But now touching Symon Grinaeus which is his third example Fox Act. and men pag. 1884. excōment Melanch in c. 10. Dan. brought in to shewe the great learned men of his syde which he took out of Ihon Fox though for pryde he wil not confesse yt what doth it proue to his purpose though yt were in all respects as Fox alleageth yt out of Melāchton as good an author as him selfe The vayne brag of Symō Grynaeus his learning disputation the storie is this Symon Grinaeus being at the towne of Spire in the yeare 1529. when Ferdinandus K. of the Romanes was present and hearing Faber Bishop of Vienna a famous learned man make a Catholyke Sermon he went to him secretly as Melanchton reporteth after the Sermon ended warning him of certayne errors in his Sermō as he termed them being in deed points of Catholyke doctrine offring to conferre with him yf he would about the same But the Bishop being called for at that present by the King told him he could not then but deferred the same vntil the next day and in the meane space the Kings officers being informed that Grynaeus a Lutheran was in the towne and seeking to apprehend him the Protestants hearing of yt they attributed it vnto the B. procurement which perhaps was false and Grynaeus rāne away by night ouer the Ryuer of Rheene and so escaped This is the storie of Grynaeus as his best frends tel it wherin yow see there is no mencion of disputation but only of running away and how then doth this proue that S. F. men are better learned then ours especially the last two Luther and Grynaeus a Lutheran who are as eager against S. F. with all the learning they haue as they are against vs Enc. 1. cap. 4. 5. as I haue s●ewed at large by their words deeds and wrytings in the former Encounter And moreouer the learning they had they receyued frō vs among whom they were brought vp and not from those of S.F. syde And consequently we may better brag of them then he yf any thing were in them worth bragging at all as in deed there was not when they fel from the Catholyke Churche to wrangling and heresie There remayneth then the last brag of our K t. about the colloquy at Poysie in France by Peter Martyr About the Colloquie at Poysie betvveene Catholykes protestants Beza and other 12. ministers wherof S. F. vaunteth as though the Catholykes had receyued the worst in that meeting but who shal be iudge of this S.F. alleageth no Author at all but his owne word saying that our Card of Loraine was in a pitiful taking there and that I must needs yeild VVast Pag. 39. that eyther their men were more learned thē ours there or that which he more desyreth that their cause was better Wherfore I shal alleage here the summe of the matter out of the best authors that haue written therof as Belleforest Surius Pegnillus B. of Mets and Claudius de Sanctis who was present and then let the reader himselfe be Iudge First then the truth is this that Charles the nynth K. of France being newly come to his Kingdome a child of 12. yeares old finding all in warre and garboyle and that the murder of his predecessor had byn designed in Geneua the yeare before Chro. geneb pag 457. Sur. in iust an 1561. by Caluyn Beza Otoman and others as Genebrard and Surius do testifie thought yt expedient or at least-wayes his mother the Queene to permit this meeting somwhat therby to mitigate the heretykes that were in armour though it being amongst swords on euerie syde the Catholykes did mislike therof and some refused to come thither others that came complayned greatly Complaint of F Laynetz of the colloquie at Poisie and among others Iacobus Laynets a Spaniard and great learned man General afterward of the Iesuites who spoke openly against it in the colloquie yt self shewing that it was rather a betraying of religion then defending yt to put it in dispusation with such disaduantage when the Hugonots were in the ruffe and had taken Newhauen Roane and most of the chiefe holdes round about threatning also to ouer-rūne all France as for the greatest parte they did the yeare following and so was this colloquy dissolued sayth Genebrad without any fruite at all Geneb anno 1561. Herevpon diuers bragging and lying books were set out by the heretykes of this meeting and their victorie therin as though they had gayned all and one shamed not to say and write that the Catholykes had yeilded and offred to become all Protestants wherof Genebrard writeth thus Geneb Pag. 464. Impudentissimum est mendacium quod Lauaterus scribit colloquutores Catholicos consensisse cum ministris Lauat in hist. de re Sacrament● It is a most impudently that Lauater a Swinglian historiographer doth wryte that the speakers of the Catholyke partie in Poysie did agree in opinion with the Ministers And then he addeth that the sequel of this Colloquie or conference was most bloody warre that ensewed presently throughout all France and endured for 18. yeares together and in the verie next yeare after he sayth that France suffred more in that one yeare of Frenchmen themselues enraged with heresy then in all former ages by strangers At what tyme also England took Newhauen into their hands deliuered by the Hugonots This was the case then of the temporal state when this armed meeting of Hugonots was appoynted in France rather vpon necessitie and feare as the Queene mother of Frāce after excused hirselfe and that famous learned Bishop Claudius Sanctius testifieth it of her owne