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A93718 Councel of states-policy or the rule of government, set forth. Shewing the nature of our presen [sic] government. In a dialogue between a country man and a scholler; as also the various regiments of nations, kingdomes, and Common-weales, and a lively description of the said governments, with the grounds of their rise, continuance, and fall. viz. Monarchicall. Aristocraticall. Oligarchicall. Democraticall, &c. Whereunto is added the new engagement, to be taken throughout the Common-wealth, as touching t[h]e lawfullnes of it. / By Robert Spry, of Plymouth Gent. Spry, Robert. 1650 (1650) Wing S5088; Thomason E1354_1 19,858 64

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COVNCEL OF States-Policy OR The Rule of Government set forth Shewing the Nature of our present Government In a Dialogue between a Country Man and a Scholler As also the various Regiments of Nations Kingdomes and Common-weales and a lively description of the said Governments with the grounds of their Rise Continuance and Fall viz. Monarchicall Aristocraticall Oligarchicall Democraticall c. Whereunto is added the new Engagement to be taken throughout the Common-wealth as touching the lawfullnes of it By Robert Spry of Plymouth Gent. LONDON Printed for Iohn Hancock at the first shop in Popes head Ally next to Corn-hill 16●● To the Iuditious Critick and Honest Reader GENTLEMEN I Imagine you expect a fro●tispiece or rather on Epistle to this Booke b●t considering that Epistles are or ought to be the full demonstration of the ensuing discourse a●d taking no●ice that of te● times the Front ●r Exordium is only looked on and the resid●e l●id ●si●e especially when it sui●s not the p●late of the Reader I theref●re wittingly have omi●ted the sam● well knowing that the be●t of the ●nsuing Lyn●s could not well be pla●ed in the front of such a Pamphl●t or if set then It would resembl● an Alde● man● Po●ch to a Country mans C●tt●g● wh●●h ●n●ou●●edly would render ●he Fahr●ck r●dicolo●s I desire that the Aut●o●s fa●●●ngs may be Ca●didly ●e●sured th●se being the fi●st fruits an●ga●herings of Gentlemen Your affectionat servant Robert Spry Plymouth 30. Octob. 1649. State-Policy C. SIR I Have of late heard much of a Common-wealth but know not what it meaneth I presume your late comming from Oxford can somewhat informe me what it i● and it s my earnest d●sire to know S. A Common-wealth is a multitude of Men ruled by one government C. Our Auntient acquaintance encouraged me to demand this question of you and I now perceive by your short Answer which is so knotty and difficult to my understanding that you have a d●sire to renew our old familia●ity by more questions from m● I sh●ll therefore desire if your leasur● will permit to unfold to me in our country Language what this word Government is and not answer me by Scholasticall resolutions which make me farther of from being informed then when I first demanded the question S. My friend and Country man by your last question I am sensible you either go about to inquire of my proficiency at the Vniversity or else do propound the question throughly to be informed friend ●nregard of your former love to me I will make bold to borrow so much time if your patience will give audience throughly to instruct you in this matter by a more larger unfolding the particulars of this your Quere that so I may not put you to unnecessary Questions C. Sir I am greatly beholding to you that you have not forgotten your old friend but are willing to have discourse with him I pray proceed to the Answer ●nd I shall attentively give eare S. Government is a setled order of Commanding and obeying Order is maintained by three things viz. Religion Lawes and Magistrates the definition of Religion I presume you know but because of my promise to you and to avoid multitude of questions I will describe it what it is Religion is that worship of God publikely professed and practised and is maintained by Lawes and Magistrates C. Do all Nations agree that there is a God S. Yea all Nations agree in those three Propositions 1. That there is a God 2. That God is the punisher of offences and rewarder of vertues 3. That whatsoever is a God ought to be worshiped C. Is there not a difference amongst Nations concerning God S. The difference of Nations co●sisteth i● th●se two points 1. In their opinion what is God Christians Iews and Turks do all hould there is but one God The Heathens in times past and now many of the Americans as also the people farre Northward do hould that there are many Gods and worship them accordingly 2. The second difference amongst Nations is In the manner of worshipping of God and so the Christian Jewes and Turks do mainly differ C. What is the Center of a Common-wealth S. The Center of a Commonwealth where the hearts of all men in the same State doe meet is Religion The force of L●●es is sh●wn● only upon occasions The better sort of the people will be sure to observe them Lex non est justo posita The Law is ma●e for the offendor As for offendors Law can lay hold no farther then prooffes may be ma●e of offences Scelera tan●um Probatalege P●n●untur Religion holdeth a perpetuall strength and aw●t● the Conscience restraining facts dicta cogitata by the power of the which Nemo nocens se judice absolvitur C. What is the chiefe disturbance in a Common wealth S. Nothing s●oner divideth a State th●n distraction in Religion as may appeare in old stories by the distraction as the Egiptians who worshipped several Gods in th●ir Countries a●d of latter times by the strange Tumults in Germany the Civill Warres in France and the sad condition of England Scotland and Ireland at this time C. What then is the best way to ma●ntaine Amity in a State S. The greatest band of unity in a State is unity conformity in Relig●or ●either can any State safely s●ff●r divers Religions to be publiq●ely mai●tained or men of different Religion from that which is maintained to have any power to work a charg C. Shew me by what Divine power Magistrates can enforce contentious men to conformity in the publique exercise of Religion S. You now put me to it in deed but I will not now take it upon me to resolve you in such a point our onely dis●ourse now is what the greatest Politit●a●s hold for the suppa●tation of a Weal●-publick o● State C. I may not then pin my faith on what you relate but I am to take it as the writing of antient State● men who labor to uphold that Government they have set up or have lived under I pray then go on and shew me what Nations have b●en most strict in enforcing men to outward consormity S. The Spaniard is the most observant of this of all Nations m●i●taini●g an Inquisition not only to censure dict● facta of any that se●m to differ from th●● but to search th● very ●●●●g●ts of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by any m●ans th●y s●sp●ct different C. Are the Turks so ●●●●re to those 〈◊〉 live with in their Territorie● S. No● The T●rks ●●●so●ver 〈◊〉 inquir● into no man ●●●rly for Religio● if he do not scandalize theirs yet they suffer neither Christians nor Iews nor any ●pp●si●s to their Religion to have either Ar●or or A●thority C. Did the Ancient Romans make Warre for Religion S. The old Romans in their m●nif●ld Conquests never pretended occasion of quarr●ll by difference of Religion but either revenge of wrong offered to their Citizens or to their State or else the roleeving of their Confederates oppressed or