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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A77539	Two speeches spoken at the councell-table at Oxford. The one, by the Right Honourable John Earle of Bristoll, in favour of the continuation of the present warre. The other, by the Right Honourable Edward Earle of Dorset, for a speedy accomodation betwixt His Majestie, and his high court of Parliament.	Bristol, John Digby, Earl of, 1580-1654.; Dorset, Edward Sackville, Earl of, 1591-1652.	1642 (1642)	Wing B4798; Thomason E83_19; ESTC R212815	3,772	8

TWO SPEECHES Spoken at the Councell-Table at OXFORD The one by the Right Honourable JOHN Earle of Bristoll in favour of the continuation of the present WARRE The other by the Right Honourable EDWARD Earle of Dorset for a speedy Accomodation betwixt His MAJESTIE and his High Court of PARLIAMENT HONI SOIT QVI MAL Y PENSE DIEV ET MON DROIT Printed at Oxford by Leonard Lichfield And now reprinted at LONDON for Iohn Hanson 1642. A SPEECH spoken by the Right Honourable IOHN Earle of Bristoll in favour of the Continuation of the present WARRE MY LORDS I Know you doe expect I should deliver my Opinion in the present Affaires which how much more weighty it is so much more timorous am I to discover mine Opinion in it lest some should imagine my Vote to arrogate to it selfe a Definitive power and looke to passe without any contradiction But I disclaime all such haughtie intentions and shall plainly and according to my conscience give in my true verdict of the affaire in agitation namely whether it were better for the honour and safety of his Majesty and the good of his Kingdomes to continue the present war or to aquire and endeavour a sudden peace betwixt his Majesty and his Court of Parliament 〈…〉 W● 〈◊〉 my Lords the Physitians that ●ough●● to discourse of the 〈…〉 wholesomest remedies our art can invent labour her sudden cure But yet wee ought to take heed that the cure be not worse then the disease that while wee strive to compose the differences which are but contingent to us wee pull upon our selves and our families certaine and not to be avoyded ruines Charity begins at home sayes the Proverb and in Wisedome wee are ingaged to provide that by the purchase of the publique peace we do not intail upon our Posterities the cruellest of all wars The wars which our children and their descendents must have with want and penury the greatest and most depressing enemy that can manage armes against noble and generous minds And to that exigent must we betray them for the future our selves for the present if we yeeld to or determine of a peace The Parliament hath declared divers of the greatest and most eminent in nobility amongst us Delinquents in the highest nature to the Common-wealth have proscribed our persons and adjudged our estates no longer ours but forfeits to the Cōmonwealth and so have taken order for the receiving and securing our revenues into such hands as shall dispose them according to their intentions and without this condition be ratified it is most probably imagined they will hardly be drawne to an Accommodation for peace In what state then will our fortunes stand In what deplorable condition shall wee leave our children heires onely to their parents loyalties not to their lands Incidit in Scyllam qui vult vitare Charybdim Wee shall justly verifie that sentence escaping a quicke-sand we shall fall upon a rocke that will split us out of one evill into a worse that condition of peace being incompatible with our existences But grant that this Article were removed out of the Propositions as the case stands my Lords I cannot though I love peace and pray for it with all my heart see which way his Majesty can condescend to it with his honour Is it fit for a King to beg peace of his Subjects for the regall authority the immediate figure of heaven and the Deity on earth to descend from its supreme height and as it were to derive its power from a subordinate power derived from its bounty That were to invert and vitiate the course of nature to inforce the cause to give place to its effect the Sunne to acknowledge his all-quickning heat and light emergent from the terrestriall fires created as it were and issuing from his influence In Spaine where the long time I resided there as Embassadour afforded me priviledge to be well acquainted with the state of that Kingdome in no age or record can scarcely be found mention of intestine or civill war till these very yeeres wherein all the world labours with dissentions the reason is because they are truly Subjects and their Soveraigne truly a Soveraigne And since the state here will neither be so to the King nor suffer the King to be so to them my reason tels me they should be compelled to it It is no dishonour for Subjects to condiscend to any Propositions to their King but it is an excessive declension and diminution to his Majesties royality to submit himselfe to his Subjects Fuisse faelicem miserrimum est My Opinion therefore is with all humility to his Majesty that He neither propound to the Parliament or receive from them any Conditions for peace but such as shall absolutely comply with the Regall dignity and Prerogative which God and succession hath allowed him and such as may be no way prejudiciall to us or our estates his Majesties most faithfull servants and Counsellors Wee have an Army on foot a braver the Sunne never shone on an Army that by force can compell that which fair words cannot effect and since Emori per virtutem praestat quam per dedecus vivere let us resolve alwayes submitting to his Majesties judgement to goe on cheerefully in these wars which though they be rough and churlish parents will at the last bring forth that mild and gentle off-spring peace and we shal enjoy that with honour and safety which otherwise with disgrace and detriment we shall be inforced to abandon The Earle of DORSETS Speech for a speedy Accommodation with the PARLIAMENT My Lords THe Earle of Bristoll has delivered his opinion and my turne being next to speake I shall with the like integrity give your Lordships an account of my intentions in this great and important businesse I shall not as young Students doe in the Schooles argumentandi gratia repugne my Lord of Bristols Tenents but because my conscience tels me they are not Orthodox nor consonant to the disposition of the Common-wealth which languishing with a tedious sicknesse must be recovered by gentle and easie medicines in consideration of it's weaknesse rather then by violent vomits or any other corroding or compelling physicke Not that I will absolutely labour to refute my Lords opinions but justly deliver my owne which being contrary to his may appeare an expresse contradiction of it which indeed it is not Peace and that a sudden one being so necessary betwixt His Majesty and His Parliament as light is requisite for the production of the day or heate to cherish from above all inferiour bodies This division betwixt His Majesty and His Parliament being as i● by miracle the Sun should be separated 〈…〉 be divided from his proper Essence I would 〈…〉 Lords be ready to embrace a peace that should be 〈…〉 ●antagious to Us then the present war which as the Earle of Bri●●●● sayes should destroy our Estates and 〈…〉 The ●●●●onely declares that against Delinqu●●● 〈…〉 conjecture have miscounselled