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nu_fw-la 21._o widdrington_n himself_o teach_v also_o in_o his_o apology_n 15â—_n apology_n nurse_n 153.154_o &_o 15â—_n that_o spiritual_a thing_n may_v come_v to_o have_v the_o nature_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o temporal_a thing_n of_o spiritual_a by_o accident_n that_o be_v to_o say_v as_o he_o himself_o do_v explicate_v ratione_fw-la peccati_fw-la annexi_fw-la by_o reason_n of_o some_o sin_n annex_v whereof_o he_o also_o give_v this_o example_n when_o ecclesiastical_a person_n do_v apply_v their_o spiritual_a power_n to_o the_o hurt_n of_o the_o temporal_a state_n or_o temporal_a man_n abuse_v their_o power_n to_o the_o prejudice_n of_o the_o spiritual_a in_o these_o case_n he_o say_v the_o temporal_a power_n and_o state_n become_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a and_o the_o spiritual_a to_o the_o temporal_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o injury_n do_v and_o offence_n commit_v because_o temporal_a thing_n do_v thereby_o come_v to_o have_v the_o quality_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n 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as_o you_o have_v see_v this_o his_o feign_a natural_a subordination_n of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n to_o the_o spiritual_a except_o only_o in_o perfection_n worth_n and_o excellency_n as_o spiritual_a thing_n be_v more_o excellent_a than_o temporal_a which_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o deny_v by_o no_o man_n and_o have_v bring_v not_o so_o much_o as_o one_o proof_n that_o the_o temporal_a power_n and_o spiritual_a do_v make_v one_o body_n but_o bare_o and_o brief_o suppose_v the_o same_o whereas_o above_o in_o the_o second_o part_n i_o have_v evident_o convince_v the_o contrary_a even_o according_a to_o card._n bellarmine_n own_o ground_n yet_o he_o fear_v not_o to_o impeach_v of_o absurdity_n and_o impiety_n this_o doctrine_n which_o deny_v the_o aforesaid_a subordination_n and_o union_n think_v belike_o silly_a man_n that_o his_o bare_a i_o say_v be_v sufficient_a to_o satisfy_v the_o understanding_n of_o the_o judicious_a reader_n but_o i_o let_v pass_v say_v he_o 22._o he_o pag._n 108._o nu_fw-la 22._o widdrington_n absurd_a and_o impious_a doctrine_n destroy_v the_o natural_a subordination_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a when_o they_o be_v join_v in_o one_o body_n which_o i_o have_v ample_o seq_n ample_o supra_fw-la num_fw-la 2._o 3._o &_o seq_n prove_v even_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o i_o only_o wish_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o albeit_o we_o shall_v grant_v it_o to_o be_v true_a as_o it_o be_v most_o false_a that_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a thing_n may_v take_v the_o nature_n the_o one_o of_o the_o other_o equal_o by_o reason_n of_o some_o sin_n annex_v yet_o it_o will_v follow_v thereon_o that_o the_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v punish_v even_o in_o temporal_a thing_n because_o according_a to_o this_o doctrine_n temporal_a thing_n do_v become_v spiritual_a when_o the_o consideration_n of_o sin_n enter_v whereby_o also_o they_o be_v make_v proper_a to_o the_o spiritual_a community_n and_o consequent_o may_v be_v use_v and_o apply_v by_o the_o spiritual_a superior_a to_o the_o punishment_n of_o his_o subject_n 104_o but_o first_o to_o let_v pass_v that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n throughout_o this_o whole_a treatise_n have_v show_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o very_a vain_a absurd_a ignorant_a and_o fowlemouthed_a man_n and_o that_o here_o he_o have_v prove_v nothing_o else_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n than_o that_o spiritual_a thing_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o temporal_a thing_n as_o the_o more_o perfect_a before_o the_o less_o perfect_a the_o soul_n before_o the_o body_n religion_n before_o policy_n heaven_n before_o earth_n and_o god_n before_o the_o world_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n be_v in_o perfection_n worth_n and_o excellency_n but_o not_o in_o authority_n subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a which_o no_o man_n call_v in_o question_n why_o do_v he_o add_v out_o of_o his_o own_o brain_n that_o word_n equal_o except_o only_o to_o cavil_n and_o to_o persuade_v his_o reader_n that_o i_o affirm_v that_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a thing_n may_v be_v compare_v together_o not_o only_o in_o general_n but_o also_o in_o every_o point_n in_o particular_a and_o that_o betwixt_o they_o there_o be_v no_o disparity_n at_o all_o see_v that_o i_o do_v not_o use_v that_o word_n equal_o but_o the_o doctrine_n which_o i_o teach_v be_v this_o that_o not_o only_o temporal_a thing_n by_o reason_n of_o some_o sin_n annex_v may_v oftentimes_o take_v the_o nature_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n and_o therefore_o may_v be_v forbid_v by_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n which_o have_v for_o the_o object_n of_o her_o directive_a power_n virtue_n and_o vice_n in_o what_o action_n so_o ever_o either_o temporal_a or_o spiritual_a they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v and_o consequent_o may_v be_v punish_v also_o by_o the_o church_n with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n which_o only_o be_v the_o object_n of_o she_o coercive_v or_o
punish_v power_n but_o also_o spiritual_a thing_n by_o reason_n of_o some_o unlawful_a disturbance_n of_o the_o public_a temporal_a peace_n annex_v unto_o they_o may_v sometime_o take_v the_o nature_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o therefore_o may_v be_v forbid_v by_o the_o temporal_a power_n of_o the_o civil_a commonwealth_n which_o have_v for_o the_o object_n of_o her_o directive_a power_n the_o procure_n and_o maintain_v of_o public_a peace_n and_o the_o shun_v of_o all_o unlawful_a disturbance_n of_o this_o temporal_a peace_n in_o what_o action_n soever_o either_o temporal_a or_o spiritual_a they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v and_o consequent_o may_v be_v also_o punish_v if_o we_o abstract_a from_o the_o privilege_n of_o prince_n and_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n with_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o only_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o temporal_a coercive_v power_n for_o what_o sensible_a man_n can_v deny_v that_o temporal_a prince_n have_v authority_n if_o we_o regard_v the_o nature_n and_o object_n of_o temporal_a power_n to_o forbid_v all_o man_n whatsoever_o that_o be_v subject_a to_o their_o directive_a power_n as_o also_o according_a to_o the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o divine_n be_v clergy_n man_n not_o to_o disturb_v wrongful_o the_o public_a temporal_a peace_n by_o any_o action_n whatsoever_o and_o to_o punish_v all_o they_o that_o shall_v transgress_v their_o just_a command_n and_o be_v subject_a to_o their_o coercive_v power_n with_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o that_o when_o the_o temporal_a prince_n forbid_v all_o unlawful_a poison_n the_o unlawful_a poison_n of_o man_n by_o spiritual_a action_n as_o by_o baptise_v with_o poison_a water_n be_v not_o contain_v under_o this_o command_n 105_o second_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o grant_v once_o as_o i_o often_o do_v that_o temporal_a thing_n may_v take_v the_o nature_n of_o spiritual_a thing_n by_o reason_n of_o sin_n annex_v it_o must_v follow_v thereon_o as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n conclude_v that_o the_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v punish_v in_o temporal_a thing_n or_o which_o he_o take_v for_o all_o one_o may_v inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o the_o perspicuous_a reason_n hereof_o i_o allege_v before_o for_o although_o temporal_a punishment_n do_v become_v spiritual_a thing_n when_o the_o consideration_n of_o sin_n enter_v for_o which_o they_o may_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o directive_a power_n of_o the_o church_n which_o have_v for_o her_o object_n virtue_n or_o vice_n and_o consequent_o they_o may_v be_v command_v or_o forbid_v by_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a yet_o still_o they_o remain_v temporal_a punishment_n which_o be_v only_o subject_a to_o the_o coercive_v or_o punish_v power_n of_o temporal_a prince_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v use_v or_o inflict_v by_o the_o coercive_v or_o punish_v power_n of_o the_o church_n which_o have_v for_o her_o object_n spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o not_o temporal_a punishment_n wherefore_o unless_o the_o consideration_n of_o sin_n can_v make_v which_o be_v impossible_a temporal_a punishment_n to_o be_v i_o do_v not_o say_v spiritual_a thing_n but_o spiritual_a punishment_n it_o can_v never_o make_v temporal_a punishment_n to_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v although_o it_o make_v they_o to_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a but_o my_o adversary_n by_o not_o distinguish_v these_o two_o power_n and_o their_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n will_v blind_v the_o understanding_n of_o his_o unlearned_a reader_n with_o a_o confuse_a reduction_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a which_o this_o distinction_n of_o the_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n and_o the_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n of_o either_o of_o they_o do_v make_v most_o plain_a and_o manifest_a 106_o also_o if_o temporal_a thing_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 24._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 1._o 8._o nu_fw-la 23._o 24._o may_v be_v come_v spiritual_a by_o reason_n of_o sin_n annex_v why_o shall_v they_o not_o also_o have_v a_o spiritual_a nature_n and_o quality_n by_o the_o connexion_n of_o some_o virtue_n and_o special_o when_o they_o be_v apply_v as_o i_o have_v say_v before_o to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n as_o to_o the_o service_n and_o glory_n of_o god_n which_o be_v the_o end_n of_o all_o thing_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a to_o which_o purpose_n it_o may_v be_v observe_v 12._o rom._n 12._o that_o s._n paul_n exhort_v the_o roman_n to_o exhibit_v their_o body_n hostiam_fw-la viventem_fw-la sanctam_fw-la deo_fw-la placentem_fw-la etc._n etc._n a_o live_a sacrifice_n holy_a and_o please_a god_n give_v to_o understand_v that_o our_o body_n good_n and_o what_o temporal_a thing_n soever_o be_v subject_a to_o our_o soul_n be_v dedicate_v and_o apply_v to_o god_n service_n and_o the_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n be_v sanctify_v thereby_o and_o become_v spiritual_a whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o whensoever_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a punish_v his_o temporal_a subject_n in_o their_o body_n or_o good_n for_o satisfaction_n of_o their_o sin_n and_o for_o the_o service_n of_o god_n and_o the_o church_n and_o the_o good_a of_o soul_n their_o corporal_a and_o temporal_a punishment_n become_v spiritual_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o end_n and_o the_o virtue_n annex_v and_o consequent_o be_v most_o lawful_a and_o just_a even_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n own_o doctrine_n 107_o whereto_o i_o also_o add_v that_o whereas_o widdrington_n say_v that_o every_o superior_a may_v punish_v his_o subject_n with_o penalty_n proportionate_a to_o his_o authority_n he_o must_v needs_o grant_v the_o same_o in_o this_o case_n for_o albeit_o temporal_a good_n have_v no_o natural_a proportion_n with_o spiritual_a thing_n yet_o they_o have_v a_o moral_a proportion_n therewith_o because_o they_o be_v not_o able_a instrument_n of_o good_a work_n 2._o â—_o pet._n 2._o in_o which_o respect_n s._n peter_n call_v alm_n and_o other_o good_a work_n spirituales_fw-la hostias_fw-la spiritual_a sacrifice_n albeit_o they_o consist_v in_o the_o use_n and_o employment_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o therefore_o when_o temporal_a thing_n be_v necessary_a to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n they_o may_v be_v dispose_v of_o by_o the_o church_n as_o proportionate_a to_o the_o end_n whereto_o they_o be_v necessary_a 108_o no_o man_n make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o temporal_a thing_n may_v become_v spiritual_a not_o only_o by_o reason_n of_o sin_n but_o also_o of_o virtue_n annex_v especial_o when_o they_o be_v apply_v to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n as_o to_o the_o service_n and_o glory_n of_o god_n who_o be_v the_o end_n of_o all_o thing_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o therefore_o when_o one_o do_v punish_v his_o body_n by_o fast_v discipline_n haircloth_n or_o such_o like_a for_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o his_o sin_n and_o for_o the_o service_n of_o god_n although_o they_o be_v corporal_a punishment_n yet_o they_o be_v virtuous_a action_n and_o in_o that_o regard_n spiritual_a thing_n and_o consequent_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a but_o from_o hence_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o these_o temporal_a punishment_n by_o reason_n of_o virtue_n annex_v do_v become_v spiritual_a punishment_n but_o only_o virtuous_a action_n and_o in_o that_o regard_n spiritual_a thing_n for_o still_o they_o remain_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o therefore_o not_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v which_o have_v for_o her_o object_n only_o the_o use_n and_o inflict_v of_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a not_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n wherefore_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a have_v no_o authority_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o punish_v in_o body_n or_o good_n for_o any_o end_n whatsoever_o by_o way_n of_o constraint_n his_o spiritual_a subject_n whether_o they_o be_v clerk_n or_o layman_n who_o mr._n fitzherbert_n improper_o call_v his_o temporal_a subject_n for_o although_o they_o be_v temporal_a man_n yet_o compare_v they_o to_o spiritual_a superior_n they_o be_v spiritual_a not_o temporal_a subject_n for_o that_o the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n be_v not_o temporal_a or_o corporal_a but_o only_o spiritual_a censure_n or_o punishment_n although_o he_o may_v as_o i_o say_v command_v such_o corporal_a punishment_n when_o they_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n in_o which_o case_n they_o become_v spiritual_a thing_n to_o wit_n virtuous_a action_n which_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n but_o the_o cause_n of_o mr._n fitzherberts_n error_n be_v for_o that_o he_o do_v not_o distinguish_v betwixt_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a thing_n and_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o betwixt_o the_o act_n and_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a and_o of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n for_o although_o temporal_a punishment_n by_o reason_n of_o
virtue_n annex_v do_v become_v spiritual_a thing_n that_o be_v virtuous_a action_n and_o therefore_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n yet_o they_o do_v not_o become_v spiritual_a censure_n and_o therefore_o not_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v but_o they_o still_o remain_v temporal_a punishment_n which_o be_v the_o object_n only_o of_o the_o temporal_a coercive_v power_n 109_o wherefore_o that_o also_o which_o he_o add_v that_o every_o superior_a may_v according_a to_o my_o doctrine_n punish_v his_o subject_n with_o penalty_n proportionate_a to_o his_o authority_n be_v very_o true_a but_o he_o must_v still_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n or_o authority_n and_o in_o what_o manner_n temporal_a punishment_n be_v proportionate_a to_o either_o of_o they_o for_o because_o as_o well_o temporal_a as_o spiritual_a punishment_n may_v be_v virtuous_a or_o vicious_a action_n therefore_o they_o be_v proportionate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n who_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n be_v the_o command_a of_o virtue_n and_o the_o forbid_v of_o vice_n but_o because_o not_o the_o command_a either_o of_o temporal_a or_o spiritual_a punishment_n but_o only_o the_o actual_a punish_v with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n or_o the_o inflict_a of_o spiritual_a punishment_n be_v the_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n therefore_o the_o inflict_v only_o of_o spiritual_a punishment_n and_o not_o of_o temporal_a be_v proportionate_a to_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n from_o whence_o it_o evident_o follow_v that_o the_o church_n for_o a_o spiritual_a end_n may_v command_v temporal_a thing_n but_o not_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n may_v command_v one_o to_o give_v alm_n for_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o his_o sin_n but_o may_v not_o take_v away_o his_o purse_n from_o he_o to_o give_v alm_n for_o that_o end_n may_v command_v one_o to_o punish_v and_o macerate_v his_o body_n when_o it_o rebell_v against_o the_o soul_n but_o not_o inflict_v upon_o he_o corporal_a punishment_n for_o the_o same_o end_n 110_o and_o by_o this_o also_o all_o the_o rest_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n add_v in_o this_o chapter_n be_v clear_o answer_v and_o the_o manifest_a absurdity_n which_o he_o will_v put_v upon_o i_o do_v manifest_o fall_v upon_o himself_o but_o now_o say_v he_o 25.26.27_o he_o pag._n 109._o nu_fw-la 25.26.27_o if_o together_o with_o all_o this_o we_o consider_v the_o natural_a subordination_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a whereof_o i_o have_v sufficient_o treat_v before_o seq_n before_o supra_fw-la num_fw-la 2_o 3.4_o &_o seq_n widdrington_n absurdity_n will_v be_v most_o manifest_a as_o well_o in_o deny_v that_o the_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v punish_v his_o subject_n in_o his_o person_n or_o temporal_a good_n for_o a_o spiritual_a end_n as_o in_o affirm_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n may_v become_v subject_a to_o the_o temporal_a no_o less_o than_o the_o temporal_a to_o the_o spiritual_a as_o though_o there_o be_v no_o subordination_n or_o subjection_n of_o the_o one_o to_o the_o other_o wherein_o he_o pervert_v the_o whole_a course_n of_o nature_n no_o less_o then_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v that_o in_o some_o case_n the_o soul_n may_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o body_n heaven_n to_o earth_n religion_n to_o policy_n angel_n to_o man_n and_o god_n to_o the_o world_n whereby_o you_o may_v still_o see_v what_o probable_a argument_n and_o answer_v he_o afford_v his_o reader_n for_o the_o assurance_n and_o security_n of_o their_o conscience_n seq_fw-la see_v preface_n num_fw-la 9_o see_v also_o the_o answer_n thereto_o nu_fw-la 9_o &_o seq_fw-la and_o that_o he_o have_v great_a reason_n to_o protest_v as_o you_o may_v remember_v i_o have_v signify_v in_o the_o preface_n that_o his_o meaning_n be_v not_o to_o lay_v down_o any_o demonstration_n or_o infallible_a argument_n for_o the_o proof_n or_o defence_n of_o his_o opinion_n 111_o for_o true_o all_o that_o he_o say_v do_v demonstrate_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o weakness_n of_o his_o cause_n and_o his_o own_o wilfulness_n if_o not_o of_o malice_n in_o defend_v such_o a_o improbable_a and_o extravagant_a paradox_n as_o this_o be_v which_o he_o hold_v and_o defend_v contrary_a to_o the_o universal_a and_o continual_a custom_n of_o the_o church_n ground_v upon_o the_o holy_a scripture_n the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n and_o final_o contrary_a to_o the_o whole_a course_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n as_o it_o will_v evident_o appear_v in_o the_o ensue_a chapter_n and_o as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n against_o barclay_n and_o doctor_n schulckenius_n in_o his_o late_a apology_n for_o the_o cardinal_n and_o diverse_a other_o have_v sufficient_o show_v and_o among_o our_o learned_a countryman_n mr._n doctor_n weston_n have_v clere_o &_o sound_o prove_v it_o in_o his_o book_n entitle_v juris_fw-la pontificij_fw-la sanctuarium_fw-la wherein_o he_o batter_v all_o the_o foundation_n of_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n doctrine_n and_o full_o confute_v he_o as_o well_o in_o all_o other_o point_n as_o in_o this_o touch_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o punish_v temporal_o which_o he_o 22._o he_o quest_n 17.18.19.20.21_o &_o 22._o do_v learned_o and_o ample_o demonstrate_v as_o well_o by_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o by_o many_o example_n of_o the_o church_n practice_n to_o wit_n by_o diverse_a kind_n of_o divorce_n by_o the_o relaxation_n of_o debt_n exemption_n of_o child_n from_o the_o power_n of_o their_o parent_n the_o abrogation_n of_o temporal_a and_o civil_a law_n the_o dissolution_n of_o contract_n and_o bargain_n and_o final_o by_o the_o imposition_n of_o temporal_a penalty_n almost_o usual_a and_o ordinary_a in_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n as_o he_o show_v very_o particular_o by_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n i_o forbear_v for_o brevity_n sake_n to_o prosecute_v these_o point_n in_o particular_a only_o i_o shall_v have_v just_a occasion_n to_o treat_v now_o and_o then_o of_o the_o infliction_n of_o temporal_a penalty_n in_o answer_n of_o my_o adversary_n pertinent_a objection_n out_o of_o the_o canon_n and_o canonist_n which_o i_o hope_v may_v suffice_v for_o as_o much_o as_o i_o have_v undertake_v to_o perform_v in_o this_o brief_a reply_n 112_o but_o all_o that_o my_o adversary_n here_o object_v i_o have_v already_o sufficient_o confute_v and_o first_o i_o have_v clear_o convince_v that_o there_o be_v no_o natural_a subordination_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o spiritual_a except_o in_o nobility_n and_o therefore_o that_o neither_o the_o spiritual_a power_n speak_v proper_o and_o in_o abstracto_fw-la be_v subject_a to_o the_o temporal_a nor_o the_o temporal_a to_o the_o spiritual_a except_o as_o i_o say_v in_o worth_n excellency_n and_o nobility_n wherein_o the_o spiritual_a do_v excel_v but_o not_o in_o authority_n wherein_o they_o be_v both_o supreme_a unless_o my_o adversary_n will_v grant_v that_o temporal_a prince_n be_v not_o supreme_a and_o absolute_a in_o temporal_a matter_n and_o spiritual_a pastor_n be_v not_o supreme_a and_o absolute_a in_o spiritual_a cause_n which_o be_v a_o paradox_n in_o true_a divinity_n second_o i_o have_v prove_v also_o most_o plain_o that_o not_o only_o temporal_a prince_n be_v part_n and_o member_n of_o the_o spiritual_a kingdom_n or_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v subject_a to_o spiritual_a pastor_n in_o spiritual_a thing_n but_o also_o spiritual_a pastor_n be_v part_n and_o member_n of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n be_v subject_a to_o temporal_a prince_n in_o all_o temporal_a thing_n except_o wherein_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o man_n have_v exempt_v they_o and_o to_o affirm_v the_o contrary_n be_v to_o pervert_v the_o whole_a course_n of_o nature_n no_o less_o then_o if_o one_o shall_v say_v that_o member_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o whole_a body_n and_o to_o the_o head_n thereof_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n to_o man_n heaven_n and_o earth_n to_o the_o whole_a world_n religion_n policy_n man_n angel_n and_o the_o whole_a world_n to_o god_n whereby_o you_o still_o see_v what_o improbable_a argument_n &_o answer_n my_o adversary_n afford_v his_o reader_n for_o the_o assurance_n and_o security_n of_o their_o conscience_n in_o a_o matter_n belong_v to_o their_o obedience_n due_a to_o god_n and_o caesar_n and_o which_o forsooth_o he_o will_v needs_o have_v to_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n to_o the_o proof_n whereof_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o bring_v probable_a argument_n but_o convince_a demonstration_n as_o contrariwise_o it_o suffice_v to_o bring_v probable_a argument_n and_o probable_a answer_n to_o prove_v any_o doctrine_n not_o to_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n as_o i_o have_v show_v more_o ample_o in_o the_o answer_n to_o his_o preface_n whereto_o here_o he_o remit_v his_o reader_n 113_o for_o true_o all_o the_o effectual_a proof_n and_o clear_a demonstration_n which_o
and_o effect_n of_o that_o power_n and_o authority_n and_o i_o affirm_v that_o the_o effect_n of_o that_o power_n which_o be_v give_v to_o s._n peter_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_a to_o wit_n the_o binding_n and_o loosing_n themselves_n be_v spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a binding_n and_o loosing_n for_o this_o be_v my_o answer_n in_o that_o place_n 35.36_o place_n apolog._n â—_o 35.36_o 15_o and_o although_o it_o be_v general_o say_v by_o christ_n our_o saviour_n whatsoever_o thou_o shall_v bind_v etc._n etc._n yet_o without_o doubt_n neither_o be_v that_o word_n whatsoever_o to_o be_v take_v in_o it_o whole_a latitude_n or_o generality_n or_o as_o the_o logician_n say_v with_o a_o complete_a distribution_n but_o with_o some_o limitation_n or_o accommodate_v distribution_n neither_o do_v christ_n our_o saviour_n speak_v of_o every_o bind_n but_o only_o of_o a_o certain_a &_o determinate_a bind_n and_o by_o the_o word_n that_o go_v before_o to_o wit_n the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o by_o those_o that_o follow_v &_o in_fw-la caelis_fw-la also_o in_o heaven_n it_o be_v plain_a enough_o that_o this_o bond_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n may_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n bind_v and_o loose_v be_v not_o a_o temporal_a â—â—nd_n but_o that_o it_o appertain_v to_o a_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a bind_n whereupon_o the_o interlineall_a gloss_n expound_v those_o word_n matth._n 18._o what_o thing_n soever_o you_o shall_v bind_v with_o the_o bond_n say_v he_o of_o anathema_n which_o also_o franciscus_n suarez_n a_o most_o famous_a divine_a of_o the_o society_n of_o jesus_n do_v express_o affirm_v but_o that_o which_o be_v add_v say_v he_o 5._o he_o tom._n â—_o disp_n 1._o sec_fw-la 2._o nu_fw-la 5._o erit_fw-la ligatum_fw-la &_o in_fw-la caelum_fw-la shall_v be_v bind_v also_o in_o heaven_n do_v sufficient_o declare_v this_o power_n not_o to_o be_v natural_a but_o supernatural_a and_o that_o bond_n mark_v this_o word_n bond_n to_o be_v spiritual_a and_o of_o a_o superior_a or_o high_a order_n and_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la to_o that_o say_v he_o 15._o he_o in_o tract_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la regius_fw-la &_o papaâ—_n c._n 15._o which_o be_v second_o object_v whatsoever_o you_o shall_v loose_v etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v according_a to_o chrysostome_n and_o rabanus_n that_o by_o this_o no_o other_o power_n be_v understand_v to_o be_v give_v but_o spiritual_a to_o wit_n observe_v that_o which_o follow_v to_o absolve_v from_o the_o bond_n of_o sin_n for_o it_o be_v foolish_a to_o understand_v that_o by_o this_o be_v give_v authority_n to_o absolve_v from_o the_o bond_n of_o debt_n thus_o i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n 16_o consider_v now_o good_a reader_n with_o what_o face_n or_o conscience_n these_o man_n can_v affirm_v that_o i_o have_v labour_v hour_n even_o with_o sweat_n and_o vain_o spend_v many_o word_n only_o to_o prove_v by_o those_o two_o authority_n of_o holy_a scripture_n that_o the_o pontifical_a power_n be_v spiritual_o which_o neither_o card._n bellarmine_n nor_o they_o do_v deny_v but_o willing_o grant_v whereas_o i_o do_v not_o contend_v that_o the_o power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_a which_o be_v give_v to_o s._n peter_n and_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a but_o that_o the_o bond_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v to_o bind_v and_o loose_a be_v a_o spiritual_a and_o not_o a_o temporal_a bond_n which_o if_o my_o adversary_n hence_o will_v grant_v it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o corporal_a and_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o watch_v haircloth_n fast_v whip_a imprisonment_n deprive_v of_o corporal_a life_n or_o temporal_a good_n all_o which_o be_v corporal_a and_o temporal_a bond_n and_o punishment_n can_v be_v inflict_v by_o that_o ecclesiastical_a power_n which_o christ_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n and_o the_o other_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o with_o what_o safety_n our_o english_a catholic_n can_v adventure_v their_o soul_n and_o whole_a estate_n upon_o these_o man_n 4._o 1._o tim._n 4._o who_o have_v according_a to_o the_o apostle_n say_v such_o wound_a sear_a or_o canteriate_a conscience_n and_o in_o their_o public_a writing_n do_v so_o gross_o and_o shameful_o corrupt_v the_o word_n and_o meaning_n of_o their_o adversary_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o such_o importance_n as_o be_v their_o obedience_n due_a to_o god_n and_o caesar_n i_o remit_v to_o the_o consideration_n of_o any_o prudent_a man_n 17_o the_o soul_n be_v a_o spirit_n say_v d._n schulckenius_n relate_v here_o by_o my_o adversary_n and_o have_v a_o spiritual_a power_n yet_o it_o do_v also_o chastise_v the_o body_n but_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o i_o declare_v in_o the_o second_o part_n with_o corporal_a punishment_n as_o watch_v haircloth_n fast_v and_o whip_v and_o what_o then_o will_v they_o therefore_o infer_v that_o because_o watch_v wear_v of_o haircloth_n fast_v and_o whip_v be_v command_v by_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o foul_a therefore_o they_o be_v spiritual_a and_o not_o corporal_a action_n and_o punishment_n no_o man_n make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o the_o power_n whereby_o god_n create_v the_o world_n the_o angel_n move_v the_o water_n 5._o water_n joan._n 5._o ananias_n and_o saphira_n be_v strike_v dead_a 5._o dead_a act_n 5._o be_v a_o spiritual_a power_n yet_o no_o man_n can_v deny_v that_o the_o creation_n of_o the_o world_n and_o the_o move_n of_o the_o water_n be_v corporal_a action_n and_o the_o sudden_a put_v to_o death_n of_o ananias_n and_o saphira_n be_v also_o corporal_a action_n and_o punishment_n so_o likewise_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v that_o the_o bind_n of_o man_n with_o fetter_n be_v it_o do_v by_o god_n angel_n or_o man_n that_o be_v by_o a_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a power_n be_v a_o corporal_a bind_n and_o the_o deprive_v of_o any_o man_n of_o his_o temporal_a good_n liberty_n or_o life_n let_v it_o be_v do_v by_o a_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a power_n be_v still_o a_o temporal_a and_o not_o a_o spiritual_a punishment_n 18_o if_o therefore_o these_o man_n as_o they_o make_v a_o show_n in_o word_n will_v in_o very_a deed_n and_o sincere_o grant_v what_o i_o affirm_v and_o prove_v in_o that_o place_n they_o must_v needs_o confess_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o virtue_n of_o that_o commission_n which_o christ_n give_v to_o saint_n peter_n and_o the_o other_o apostle_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v have_v no_o authority_n to_o imprison_v man_n to_o bind_v they_o with_o corporal_a chain_n to_o absolve_v or_o loose_v they_o from_o their_o temporal_a bond_n debt_n or_o allegiance_n for_o that_o these_o be_v temporal_a and_o not_o spiritual_a binding_n and_o loosing_n for_o what_o end_n or_o by_o what_o power_n soever_o they_o be_v do_v neither_o do_v i_o contend_v in_o that_o place_n that_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v be_v not_o temporal_a but_o spiritual_a but_o only_o that_o the_o binding_n and_o loosing_n which_o be_v the_o effect_n of_o that_o power_n be_v only_o spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a binding_n and_o loosing_n see_v above_o sec_fw-la above_o cap._n 5_o sec_fw-la 3._o nu_fw-la 10._o &_o sec_fw-la more_o of_o these_o bond_n to_o which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_a be_v by_o the_o ancient_a father_n limit_v and_o restrain_v and_o hereby_o the_o reader_n may_v easy_o perceive_v that_o i_o have_v no_o great_a reason_n to_o confute_v in_o that_o brief_a admonition_n d._n schulckenius_n his_o reply_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v this_o point_n but_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o remit_v the_o reader_n to_o my_o aforesaid_a answer_n see_v that_o d._n schulckenius_n say_v nothing_o at_o all_o against_o it_o but_o cunning_o fly_v from_o the_o effect_n of_o the_o apostle_n power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_a which_o i_o there_o prove_v to_o be_v only_o spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a bond_n to_o the_o power_n itself_o to_o bind_v and_o loose_v whereof_o i_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o dispute_v in_o that_o place_n know_v well_o that_o although_o the_o effect_n of_o that_o power_n have_v be_v as_o they_o be_v not_o temporal_a binding_n and_o loosing_n yet_o the_o power_n itself_o to_o bind_v and_o loose_a might_n for_o diverse_a reason_n be_v call_v as_o divine_n do_v call_v it_o a_o spiritual_a and_o not_o formal_o a_o temporal_a or_o civil_a power_n although_o as_o i_o say_v above_o seq_fw-la above_o cap._n nu_fw-la 7â—_n see_v also_o beneath_o cap._n 12._o nu_fw-la 61._o &_o seq_fw-la i_o think_v this_o question_n betwixt_o the_o divine_n and_o canonist_n whether_o it_o be_v a_o spiritual_a or_o a_o temporal_a power_n to_o be_v more_o verbal_a and_o of_o word_n then_o real_a and_o of_o the_o thing_n itself_o and_o this_o may_v suffice_v for_o this_o point_n 19_o now_o before_o we_o come_v to_o examine_v fa._n parson_n reason_n
proper_o and_o direct_o no_o temporal_a power_n but_o only_o spiritual_a yet_o by_o this_o spiritual_a power_n of_o he_o they_o say_v he_o can_v dispose_v of_o all_o thing_n and_o inflict_v all_o kind_n of_o punishment_n as_o well_o temporal_a as_o spiritual_a as_o if_o he_o have_v formal_o and_o direct_o temporal_a power_n and_o therefore_o they_o will_v not_o call_v this_o power_n of_o the_o pope_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporall_n formal_o and_o direct_o but_o virtual_o and_o indirect_o temporal_a power_n or_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporall_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a other_o divine_n and_o lawyer_n who_o i_o cite_v above_o in_o the_o first_o part_n do_v contend_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n have_v neither_o formal_o nor_o virtual_o neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o any_o temporal_a power_n or_o authority_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n or_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n but_o only_o spiritual_a power_n by_o which_o he_o may_v dispose_v or_o dispense_v in_o spiritual_a thing_n and_o inflict_v spiritual_a punishment_n and_o also_o command_v enjoin_v or_o impose_v temporal_a thing_n as_o in_o they_o may_v be_v find_v virtue_n or_o vice_n which_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n but_o no_o way_n dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n or_o inflict_v temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n for_o that_o these_o be_v the_o act_n and_o object_n only_o of_o civil_a power_n 24_o neither_o also_o can_v this_o doctor_n be_v ignorant_a that_o there_o be_v a_o great_a controversy_n betwixt_o the_o divine_n of_o rome_n and_o of_o paris_n about_o the_o amplitude_n greatness_n and_o fullness_n of_o the_o pope_n spiritual_a power_n insomuch_o that_o jacobus_n almainus_n a_o famous_a doctor_n of_o paris_n do_v affirm_v 3._o affirm_v almain_n the_o author_n eccles_n cap._n 3._o that_o there_o be_v so_o great_a a_o controversy_n among_o doctor_n concern_v the_o plenitude_n or_o fullness_n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o to_o what_o thing_n it_o be_v extend_v that_o in_o this_o matter_n there_o be_v few_o thing_n secure_a or_o without_o doubt_n so_o that_o as_o william_n occam_n say_v it_o will_v be_v very_o necessary_a in_o these_o time_n that_o wise_a man_n be_v compel_v by_o oath_n and_o horrible_a threaten_n to_o speak_v the_o truth_n shall_v declare_v what_o thing_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o plenitude_n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o much_o more_o of_o papal_a authority_n which_o almain_n with_o the_o other_o divine_n of_o paris_n do_v make_v inferior_a to_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o a_o general_n council_n 12._o gerson_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccles_n consid_fw-la 12._o which_o do_v represent_v the_o church_n for_o as_o john_n gerson_n and_o the_o say_a almain_n do_v affirm_v deceitful_a flattery_n have_v now_o overmuch_o extend_v and_o amplify_v the_o greatness_n and_o fullness_n of_o papal_a authority_n 25_o moreover_o although_o i_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v authority_n to_o make_v law_n and_o canon_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o he_o have_v authority_n to_o make_v law_n and_o canon_n to_o bind_v a_o general_a council_n for_o that_o the_o doctor_n of_o paris_n do_v affirm_v that_o a_o general_a council_n have_v authority_n to_o make_v law_n &_o canon_n to_o bind_v the_o pope_n according_a to_o the_o express_a definition_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o constance_n and_o basill_n 5._o conc._n const_n sess_v 5._o the_o council_n do_v ordain_v define_v decree_n and_o determine_v say_v the_o council_n of_o constance_n as_o follow_v and_o first_o it_o do_v declare_v that_o the_o say_a council_n be_v gather_v in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n make_v a_o general_a council_n and_o represent_v the_o catholic_a church_n have_v immediate_o from_o christ_n authority_n which_o every_o man_n of_o what_o state_n or_o dignity_n soever_o although_o it_o be_v papal_a be_v bind_v to_o 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decree_n be_v make_v 2._o council_n basil_n sess_v 2._o be_v not_o account_v a_o schismatical_a but_o a_o lawful_a and_o ecumenical_a council_n do_v in_o the_o same_o express_a word_n confirm_v 26_o also_o although_o i_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v authority_n to_o dispense_v in_o vow_n and_o oath_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o he_o have_v authority_n to_o dispense_v in_o all_o vow_n and_o in_o all_o oath_n for_o that_o many_o divine_n do_v with_o s._n thomas_n maintain_v that_o he_o have_v not_o power_n to_o dispense_v in_o the_o solemn_a vow_n of_o religious_a chastity_n or_o in_o those_o oath_n which_o be_v make_v to_o confirm_v any_o thing_n which_o we_o be_v otherwise_o bind_v to_o perform_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o nature_n because_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o thomist_n be_v that_o the_o pope_n do_v dispense_v in_o oath_n only_o by_o declare_v that_o the_o thing_n which_o be_v confirm_v by_o oath_n be_v not_o now_o a_o sufficient_a matter_n 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inordinate_a prolatis_fw-la incurritur_fw-la haeresis_fw-la heresy_n be_v incur_v by_o word_n inordinate_o utter_v although_o he_o by_o who_o they_o be_v speak_v have_v no_o bad_a meaning_n 33_o three_o say_v this_o doctor_n ibid._n doctor_n ibid._n it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o widdrington_n while_o he_o declare_v what_o punishment_n the_o church_n can_v inflict_v upon_o her_o subject_n that_o shall_v offend_v make_v mention_v only_o of_o spiritual_a punishment_n as_o though_o the_o church_n can_v inflict_v also_o temporal_a punishment_n whereof_o see_v what_o we_o have_v say_v above_o cap._n 4._o upon_o the_o 40.41_o and_o 42._o number_n true_a it_o be_v that_o the_o main_a scope_n of_o my_o apology_n be_v no_o other_o then_o to_o prove_v it_o to_o be_v probable_a that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n or_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n do_v not_o extend_v to_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n but_o only_o of_o ecclesiastical_a or_o 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it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o while_o widdrington_n declare_v the_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n not_o without_o mystery_n he_o have_v say_v nothing_o of_o the_o power_n to_o absolve_v from_o oath_n and_o vow_n and_o other_o thing_n of_o that_o kind_n true_a it_o be_v that_o although_o i_o do_v not_o in_o that_o place_n express_o affirm_v as_o also_o i_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n do_v not_o extend_v to_o the_o absolve_a from_o oath_n and_o vow_n yet_o of_o set_a purpose_n and_o for_o some_o mystery_n i_o do_v then_o omit_v to_o make_v mention_n of_o they_o and_o the_o mystery_n be_v this_o for_o that_o there_o be_v a_o great_a controversy_n among_o learned_a divine_n especial_o betwixt_o the_o thomist_n and_o their_o opposite_n wherewith_o i_o think_v it_o neither_o necessary_a nor_o expedient_a at_o that_o time_n to_o intermeddle_v not_o only_o in_o what_o manner_n the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n may_v absolve_v from_o oath_n &_o vow_n but_o also_o whether_o the_o church_n have_v any_o authority_n at_o all_o to_o absolve_v from_o all_o oath_n and_o all_o vow_n see_v that_o as_o afterward_o 148._o afterward_o praefat._n ad_fw-la resp_n apolog._n nu_fw-la 58._o &_o in_o resp_n nu_fw-la 148._o i_o declare_v s._n thomas_n and_o his_o follower_n do_v contend_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o authority_n to_o absolve_v from_o the_o solemn_a vow_n of_o religious_a chastity_n and_o also_o that_o he_o can_v absolve_v from_o any_o vow_n or_o oath_n by_o release_n the_o bond_n and_o obligation_n to_o perform_v that_o which_o be_v once_o swear_v or_o vow_v for_o this_o be_v to_o absolve_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o command_v we_o to_o perform_v that_o which_o we_o have_v once_o lawful_o swear_v or_o vow_v but_o only_o by_o declare_v and_o interpret_n that_o the_o matter_n which_o be_v swear_v or_o vow_v be_v not_o now_o in_o this_o particular_a case_n a_o sufficient_a matter_n to_o be_v swear_v or_o vow_v from_o which_o doctrine_n it_o clear_o follow_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v no_o authority_n to_o absolve_v from_o the_o oath_n of_o true_a temporal_a allegiance_n unless_o he_o also_o have_v authority_n as_o he_o have_v not_o to_o declare_v that_o true_a temporal_a allegiance_n be_v not_o in_o that_o particular_a case_n lawful_a or_o necessary_a and_o consequent_o not_o a_o sufficient_a matter_n to_o be_v swear_v whereas_o true_a temporal_a allegiance_n be_v always_o not_o only_o lawful_a but_o also_o necessary_a and_o command_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v this_o doctor_n observation_n 35_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v how_o well_o he_o confute_v the_o answer_n which_o i_o give_v to_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n argument_n suppose_v the_o aforesaid_a distinction_n thus_o therefore_o i_o begin_v to_o answer_v it_o wherefore_o we_o grant_v the_o antecedent_n proposition_n in_o the_o sense_n which_o we_o have_v now_o declare_v but_o we_o deny_v that_o the_o power_n to_o use_v &_o to_o dispose_v of_o the_o temporal_n of_o all_o christian_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o spiritual_a end_n for_o such_o a_o power_n be_v not_o proportionate_a to_o that_o end_n &_o therefore_o there_o be_v no_o likelihood_n that_o for_o the_o spiritual_a end_n such_o a_o temporal_a power_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o such_o a_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n be_v by_o christ_n our_o saviour_n give_v to_o his_o church_n which_o be_v a_o spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a commonwealth_n i_o answer_v say_v this_o doctor_n 355._o doctor_n num._n 355._o whether_o the_o power_n to_o use_v and_o to_o dispose_v of_o the_o temporal_n of_o all_o christian_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o church_n for_o her_o end_n be_v the_o principal_a question_n which_o be_v in_o controversy_n cardinal_n bellarmine_n affirm_v widdrington_n deny_v but_o while_o he_o deny_v he_o be_v so_o destitute_a of_o patron_n and_o doctor_n that_o also_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la who_o in_o his_o book_n he_o more_o often_o cit_v for_o his_o opinion_n than_o any_o other_o be_v flat_a against_o he_o etc._n etc._n 36_o but_o first_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o the_o principal_a question_n which_o be_v in_o controversy_n be_v whether_o the_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o the_o temporal_n of_o all_o christian_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o church_n for_o her_o end_n which_o be_v the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n but_o the_o principal_a question_n &_o controversy_n be_v whether_o christ_n our_o saviour_n give_v authority_n to_o his_o church_n as_o it_o be_v a_o spiritual_a kingdom_n &_o consist_v only_o of_o spiritual_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n to_o prove_v that_o christ_n give_v unto_o his_o church_n this_o power_n bring_v this_o for_o a_o reason_n because_o this_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n be_v necessary_a to_o her_o spiritual_a end_n to_o wit_n the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n which_o reason_n i_o say_v be_v not_o true_a and_o from_o thence_o it_o will_v clear_o follow_v that_o our_o saviour_n be_v of_o necessity_n tie_v to_o give_v to_o spiritual_a pastors_n authority_n to_o depose_v temporal_a prince_n and_o to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n which_o no_o man_n i_o think_v that_o have_v his_o wit_n about_o he_o will_v affirm_v and_o how_o do_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n think_v you_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n by_o way_n of_o authority_n when_o she_o be_v persecute_v by_o the_o pagan_a and_o arrian_n emperor_n for_o then_o if_o at_o any_o time_n a_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n shall_v have_v be_v necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n whereupon_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a to_o resist_v the_o common_a enemy_n 10._o bel._n l._n 1._o de_fw-fr conâ—l_n ca._n 10._o as_o be_v the_o turk_n for_o if_o the_o church_n can_v be_v conversant_a under_o the_o most_o cruel_a persecution_n of_o nero_n domitian_n decius_n
diocletian_n why_o can_v she_o not_o also_o under_o the_o persecution_n of_o the_o turk_n 37_o second_o neither_o be_v it_o true_a that_o i_o be_o destitute_a of_o patron_n and_o doctor_n who_o maintain_v that_o the_o pope_n by_o his_o spiritual_a power_n can_v dispose_v of_o temporal_n or_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n as_o i_o have_v show_v above_o in_o the_o first_o part_n where_o also_o i_o prove_v that_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la do_v no_o way_n favour_n but_o flat_o contradict_v card._n bellarmine_n doctrine_n and_o also_o the_o very_a ash_n of_o this_o doctor_n book_n if_o they_o can_v speak_v will_v give_v sufficient_a testimony_n against_o he_o that_o this_o my_o doctrine_n be_v not_o altogether_o destitute_a of_o patron_n and_o doctor_n but_o whereas_o this_o doctor_n shall_v have_v prove_v that_o the_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n which_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n affirm_v and_o i_o deny_v he_o fly_v from_o this_o reason_n to_o the_o authority_n of_o doctor_n who_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n which_o be_v to_o run_v up_o and_o down_o in_o a_o circle_n from_o intrinsical_a ground_n to_o extrinsecall_v from_o reason_n to_o authority_n and_o contrariwise_o and_o never_o to_o persist_v in_o any_o one_o medium_n or_o argument_n wherefore_o whensoever_o any_o author_n or_o myself_o do_v seem_v to_o affirm_v or_o suppose_v that_o temporal_a thing_n &_o the_o dispose_n of_o they_o be_v in_o some_o case_n necessary_a to_o the_o general_a good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o any_o absolute_a necessity_n but_o only_o of_o some_o great_a convenience_n or_o utility_n for_o which_o in_o common_a speech_n we_o oftentimes_o take_v necessity_n as_o it_o be_v well_o know_v to_o every_o logician_n who_o have_v but_o read_v the_o begin_n of_o porphyry_n introduction_n cùm_fw-la necessarium_fw-la sit_fw-la chysaori_n etc._n etc._n whereas_o it_o be_v necessary_a o_o chysaori_n etc._n etc._n in_o which_o case_n of_o necessity_n or_o great_a utility_n temporal_a thing_n be_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v dispose_v of_o to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n by_o the_o temporal_a and_o civil_a power_n of_o christian_a prince_n and_o not_o by_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o he_o have_v distinguish_v the_o act_n office_n and_o function_n thereof_o from_o civil_a authority_n 38_o but_o thou_o will_v say_v say_v this_o doctor_n 355._o doctor_n pag._n 355._o that_o this_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n be_v not_o proportionate_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o ecclesisticall_a power_n which_o be_v spiritual_a i_o answer_v first_o say_v he_o that_o this_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n in_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o formal_o temporal_a but_o formal_o spiritual_a and_o eminent_o temporal_a and_o therefore_o it_o be_v very_o well_o proportionate_a to_o 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only_o the_o dispose_n of_o spiritual_a good_n and_o the_o inflict_a of_o spiritual_a punishment_n for_o a_o spiritual_a end_n 41_o last_o to_o the_o consequence_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n argument_n whereby_o he_o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o power_n to_o use_v and_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n be_v necessary_a to_o the_o spiritual_a end_n i_o answer_v thus_o 183._o thus_o apolog._n nu_fw-la 183._o by_o deny_v his_o consequence_n neither_o do_v it_o follow_v from_o thence_o as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n do_v ill_a and_o contrary_a to_o himself_o infer_v that_o otherwise_o wicked_a prince_n may_v without_o punishment_n nourish_v heretic_n and_o overthrow_v religion_n for_o the_o church_n have_v as_o we_o say_v power_n to_o punish_v they_o not_o indeed_o with_o civil_a or_o temporal_a but_o with_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a punishment_n unless_o perhaps_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n be_v not_o worthy_a to_o be_v reckon_v among_o punishment_n whereas_o they_o be_v account_v 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every_o prince_n law_n be_v extend_v only_o to_o his_o own_o subject_n whereupon_o it_o follow_v necessary_o that_o albeit_o the_o canon_n of_o general_n counsel_n be_v make_v in_o general_a term_n may_v comprehend_v all_o christian_a man_n aswell_o absolute_a prince_n as_o other_o forasmuch_o as_o concern_v spiritual_a matter_n and_o the_o inflict_a of_o spiritual_a punishment_n because_o in_o these_o all_o christian_n be_v subject_a thereto_o yet_o consider_v that_o it_o be_v probable_a that_o christian_a prince_n in_o temporal_a matter_n and_o for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n it_o be_v also_o probable_a that_o the_o canon_n of_o pope_n or_o counsel_n make_v in_o general_a term_n concern_v temporal_a affair_n as_o be_v the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n can_v comprehend_v temporal_a prince_n who_o in_o these_o be_v absolute_a and_o supreme_a and_o not_o 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dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la and_o non_fw-la habens_fw-la dominum_fw-la principalem_fw-la in_o all_o these_o law_n together_o make_v by_o all_o christian_a prince_n have_v signify_v the_o self_n same_o person_n and_o no_o other_o than_o now_o they_o signify_v in_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n for_o that_o which_o i_o contend_v be_v that_o it_o be_v probable_a that_o this_o canon_n forasmuch_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v make_v by_o the_o council_n not_o as_o it_o have_v spiritual_a but_o only_o as_o it_o have_v temporal_a authority_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o not_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n but_o by_o the_o authority_n and_o consent_n of_o all_o temporal_a prince_n who_o ambassador_n be_v present_a thereat_o because_o it_o be_v probable_a as_o i_o have_v show_v above_o out_o of_o many_o learned_a catholic_n that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o extend_v to_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n but_o only_o of_o spiritual_a whereby_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o albeit_o emperor_n king_n and_o all_o other_o absolute_a prince_n and_o inferior_a lord_n be_v subject_a alike_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o general_n counsel_n yea_o and_o of_o provincial_a counsel_n hold_v in_o their_o own_o kingdom_n in_o matter_n spiritual_a yet_o they_o be_v not_o subject_a alike_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o general_a counsel_n wherein_o temporal_a matter_n as_o be_v the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v decree_v for_o that_o these_o decree_n be_v make_v by_o the_o authority_n and_o consent_n of_o absolute_a prince_n to_o who_o only_o all_o other_o inferior_a person_n be_v subject_a in_o temporal_a affair_n and_o hereby_o all_o that_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n add_v in_o the_o rest_n of_o this_o chapter_n be_v already_o satisfy_v 43_o so_o as_o you_o see_v say_v he_o 17._o he_o p._n 146._o nu_fw-la 17._o what_o probable_a argument_n widdrington_n give_v we_o while_o nevertheless_o nothing_o will_v satisfy_v he_o from_o we_o but_o demonstration_n and_o therefore_o whereas_o i_o signify_v all_o this_o in_o effect_n in_o my_o supplement_n he_o take_v no_o formal_a notice_n of_o it_o but_o only_o as_o it_o be_v glance_v at_o it_o in_o a_o word_n or_o two_o say_v as_o you_o have_v hear_v before_o dicere_fw-la imperatorem_fw-la etc._n etc._n to_o say_v that_o the_o emperor_n do_v not_o include_v king_n in_o those_o word_n of_o his_o law_n and_o that_o the_o pope_n do_v mean_a to_o do_v it_o in_o the_o canon_n be_v to_o say_v so_o but_o not_o to_o demonstrate_v so_o he_o require_v as_o you_o see_v a_o demonstration_n of_o this_o point_n and_o crafty_o conceal_v and_o dissemble_v the_o reason_n that_o i_o give_v for_o my_o assertion_n in_o my_o supplement_n as_o if_o i_o have_v give_v none_o at_o all_o but_o only_o have_v bare_o say_v that_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la in_o the_o emperor_n law_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o king_n as_o it_o be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o the_o canon_n whereas_o you_o see_v the_o reason_n which_o i_o have_v give_v of_o the_o difference_n of_o the_o one_o and_o the_o other_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o different_a power_n of_o the_o general_n council_n and_o the_o emperor_n be_v so_o pregnant_a and_o clear_a that_o it_o may_v serve_v for_o a_o demonstration_n to_o any_o catholic_a man_n of_o judgement_n 44_o for_o i_o think_v it_o be_v not_o more_o clear_a to_o any_o such_o that_o two_o and_o two_o make_v four_o then_o that_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la be_v a_o general_a term_n include_v absolute_a prince_n as_o well_o as_o other_o lord_n and_o that_o they_o be_v include_v in_o those_o word_n of_o the_o canon_n because_o they_o be_v member_n of_o christ_n church_n be_v as_o subject_a to_o a_o general_a council_n as_o the_o mean_a temporal_a lord_n in_o christendom_n as_o also_o it_o be_v no_o less_o clear_a that_o dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la in_o the_o emperor_n constitution_n can_v be_v extend_v no_o further_o then_o to_o such_o temporal_a lord_n as_o be_v some_o way_n subject_n to_o he_o which_o my_o adversary_n himself_o acknowledge_v albeit_o he_o absurd_o deni_v that_o the_o same_o word_n in_o the_o canon_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o king_n 45_o but_o first_o whether_o my_o argument_n and_o answer_n be_v probable_a or_o no_o and_o whether_o that_o foul_a aspersion_n of_o absurdity_n wherewith_o mr._n fitzherbert_n so_o often_o charge_v i_o do_v fall_v upon_o his_o own_o argument_n and_o answer_n or_o upon_o i_o i_o must_v remit_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o learned_a reader_n second_o no_o learned_a man_n can_v deny_v but_o that_o to_o prove_v any_o doctrine_n to_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o bring_v demonstration_n and_o convince_a proof_n and_o that_o to_o prove_v any_o doctrine_n to_o be_v probable_a and_o the_o contrary_n not_o to_o be_v certain_a nor_o of_o faith_n it_o suffice_v to_o bring_v only_o probable_a argument_n and_o answer_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n that_o i_o expect_v at_o my_o adversary_n hand_n clear_a demonstration_n and_o invincible_a proof_n see_v that_o they_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o prove_v their_o doctrine_n to_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n whereas_o it_o suffice_v for_o i_o that_o only_o take_v upon_o i_o at_o this_o time_n to_o show_v their_o doctrine_n not_o to_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n to_o bring_v probable_a argument_n and_o answer_n 46_o three_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o i_o have_v crafty_o conceal_v and_o dissemble_v the_o reason_n that_o he_o give_v in_o his_o supplement_n why_o the_o word_n dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la shall_v in_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n and_o not_o in_o the_o emperor_n constitution_n for_o all_o that_o he_o labour_v as_o you_o have_v see_v to_o prove_v in_o his_o
from_o the_o sovereignty_n of_o absolute_a prince_n for_o it_o little_o import_v to_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o matter_n whether_o the_o pope_n may_v depose_v heretical_a or_o wicked_a prince_n by_o a_o power_n or_o dominion_n over_o temporal_n which_o must_v be_v call_v temporal_a or_o by_o a_o power_n which_o must_v be_v call_v spiritual_a so_o that_o he_o may_v depose_v they_o or_o whether_o the_o pope_n be_v superior_a to_o absolute_a prince_n in_o temporal_n direct_o or_o indirect_o so_o that_o they_o must_v acknowledge_v themselves_o not_o to_o be_v absolute_a but_o subject_a to_o the_o pope_n in_o temporal_n but_o as_o i_o have_v signify_v heretofore_o all_o the_o difficulty_n and_o ambiguity_n of_o these_o word_n direct_o and_o indirect_o will_v present_o appear_v and_o the_o whole_a mist_n which_o the_o divine_n by_o this_o distinction_n do_v cast_v over_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o unlearned_a will_v forthwith_o vanish_v away_o if_o we_o will_v but_o due_o consider_v the_o 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spiritual_a action_n 52_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v how_o sound_o mr._n fitzherbert_n impugn_v the_o two_o instance_n i_o bring_v against_o his_o consequence_n which_o be_v these_o the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n the_o pope_n have_v power_n over_o the_o soul_n of_o a_o prince_n and_o therefore_o over_o his_o life_n to_o which_o he_o repli_v in_o this_o manner_n 11.12_o manner_n pag._n 35._o nu_fw-la 11.12_o but_o of_o these_o two_o instance_n i_o must_v needs_o say_v that_o the_o former_a be_v ridiculous_a and_o the_o late_a malicious_a for_o by_o the_o former_a he_o impugn_v himself_o and_o not_o i_o you_o have_v hear_v he_o before_o admit_v my_o consequence_n so_o that_o it_o be_v understand_v of_o power_n to_o command_v corporal_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a for_o he_o say_v that_o my_o consequence_n be_v vain_a except_o it_o be_v understand_v in_o this_o manner_n and_o therefore_o be_v understand_v so_o he_o allow_v it_o for_o good_a and_o if_o we_o understand_v it_o so_o then_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v according_a to_o his_o own_o ground_n that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n which_o be_v the_o principal_a may_v command_v all_o bridle_n because_o they_o be_v the_o accessory_n 53_o now_o then_o he_o must_v either_o grant_v his_o own_o argument_n or_o deny_v it_o if_o be_v grant_v it_o he_o proove_v nothing_o thereby_o against_o i_o but_o rather_o fortify_v my_o consequence_n which_o be_v as_o he_o himself_o relate_v it_o that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n over_o the_o soul_n have_v power_n also_o over_o the_o body_n and_o good_n because_o the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a if_o he_o deny_v it_o he_o deni_v his_o former_a grant_n which_o be_v as_o you_o have_v hear_v that_o whosoever_o have_v power_n to_o command_v the_o principal_a may_v command_v the_o accessory_n for_o see_v that_o all_o horse_n be_v the_o principal_a and_o all_o bridle_v the_o accessory_n according_a to_o his_o own_o supposition_n in_o his_o argument_n he_o that_o deni_v the_o lord_n of_o all_o horse_n to_o be_v the_o lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n deni_v that_o he_o who_o have_v power_n to_o command_v the_o principal_n may_v command_v the_o accessory_n which_o be_v the_o same_o that_o he_o have_v grant_v already_o as_o you_o have_v hear_v so_o as_o i_o see_v not_o to_o what_o purpose_n this_o his_o argument_n serve_v but_o to_o discover_v his_o own_o folly_n and_o yet_o forsooth_o he_o will_v have_v we_o to_o believe_v in_o any_o case_n that_o all_o his_o argument_n be_v probable_a at_o least_o 54_o but_o i_o must_v needs_o say_v good_a reader_n that_o my_o adversary_n have_v small_a reason_n for_o these_o two_o instance_n which_o i_o bring_v against_o that_o rule_n or_o maxim_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a as_o it_o be_v understand_v by_o he_o to_o use_v such_o undecent_a term_n for_o who_o folly_n be_v discover_v and_o who_o be_v the_o ridiculous_a and_o malicious_a you_o shall_v forth_o with_o perceive_v it_o be_v true_a that_o i_o grant_v the_o consequence_n not_o to_o be_v vain_a if_o it_o be_v only_o understand_v of_o a_o power_n in_o the_o pope_n to_o command_v spiritual_a thing_n and_o to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o command_n in_o order_n to_o spitituall_a good_a but_o from_o hence_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v according_a to_o my_o ground_n but_o according_a to_o his_o own_o that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n may_v consequent_o command_v all_o bridle_n yea_o and_o it_o follow_v according_a to_o his_o ground_n that_o he_o who_o can_v dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n can_v dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n and_o that_o he_o who_o buy_v all_o horse_n do_v consequent_o buy_v all_o bridle_n for_o first_o by_o his_o consequence_n he_o do_v intend_v not_o only_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n or_o to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o command_n but_o also_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporall_n to_o depose_v temporal_a prince_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n as_o i_o show_v before_o 6._o before_o nurse_n 6._o and_o he_o in_o the_o next_o paragraphes_n do_v express_o affirm_v 13.14.15.16_o affirm_v nu._n 13.14.15.16_o second_o according_a also_o to_o his_o own_o ground_n and_o not_o i_o a_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a to_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o it_o be_v ordain_v to_o serve_v a_o horse_n for_o which_o cause_n he_o affirm_v that_o temporal_a thing_n be_v accessory_a to_o spiritual_a thing_n for_o that_o they_o be_v ordain_v to_o serve_v spiritual_a thing_n and_o therefore_o according_a to_o his_o own_o ground_n these_o consequence_n be_v good_a the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n therefore_o he_o who_o can_v command_v all_o horse_n can_v command_v all_o bridle_n therefore_o he_o who_o can_v dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n can_v dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n therefore_o he_o who_o buy_v all_o horse_n which_o be_v the_o principal_a must_v consequent_o buy_v all_o bridle_n which_o be_v the_o accessory_n 55_o but_o i_o do_v not_o grant_v that_o a_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a or_o consequent_a to_o a_o horse_n or_o that_o corporal_a and_o temporal_a good_n be_v accessory_a or_o consequent_a to_o the_o spiritual_a good_a of_o the_o soul_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o accessory_n be_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessory_a or_o consequent_a must_v follow_v the_o principal_a or_o antecedent_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o if_o the_o principal_a or_o antecedent_n be_v suppose_v or_o grant_v the_o accessory_a or_o consequent_a must_v of_o necessity_n follow_v and_o my_o reason_n be_v for_o that_o a_o horse_n can_v be_v without_o a_o bridle_n and_o the_o spiritual_a good_a or_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n can_v be_v without_o corporal_a good_n or_o temporal_a honour_n and_o riches_n yea_o and_o better_o without_o they_o then_o with_o they_o nevertheless_o i_o do_v grant_v that_o the_o power_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a be_v according_a to_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n accessory_a or_o consequent_a to_o the_o power_n to_o command_v spiritual_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a for_o that_o both_o of_o they_o be_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n connect_v and_o conjoin_v in_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o because_o the_o power_n to_o command_v spiritual_a thing_n be_v the_o more_o noble_a and_o worthy_a and_o the_o power_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n the_o less_o noble_a and_o worthy_a as_o spiritual_a thing_n be_v more_o noble_a than_o temporal_a therefore_o the_o power_n to_o command_v spiritual_a thing_n may_v be_v well_o call_v the_o principal_a and_o the_o
power_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n the_o accessory_a and_o which_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n do_v follow_v the_o first_o and_o more_o noble_a power_n as_o the_o principal_a 56_o and_o by_o this_o that_o dilemma_n which_o he_o make_v be_v easy_o answer_v for_o i_o grant_v the_o consequence_n in_o that_o form_n of_o word_n as_o he_o set_v it_o down_o in_o one_o sense_n and_o i_o deny_v it_o in_o a_o other_o i_o grant_v it_o if_o it_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o command_v temporal_n and_o to_o enjoin_v temporal_a penalty_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a and_o if_o he_o have_v intend_v nothing_o else_o then_o this_o i_o shall_v indeed_o have_v prove_v nothing_o against_o he_o but_o shall_v have_v fortify_v his_o consequence_n but_o because_o in_o his_o consequence_n he_o speak_v of_o a_o power_n in_o the_o church_n in_o general_a over_o the_o soul_n body_n and_o good_n therefore_o the_o church_n say_v he_o have_v power_n over_o the_o soul_n have_v power_n consequent_o over_o the_o body_n and_o good_n which_o power_n may_v be_v understand_v not_o only_o of_o a_o power_n to_o command_v but_o also_o to_o dispose_v not_o only_o to_o enjoin_v spiritual_a and_o temporal_a punishment_n but_o also_o to_o inflict_v they_o and_o because_o the_o pope_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a have_v a_o power_n not_o only_o to_o command_v spiritual_a punishment_n but_o also_o to_o inflict_v they_o and_o by_o a_o iuridicall_a sentence_n to_o deprive_v man_n of_o certain_a spiritual_a good_n and_o benefit_n therefore_o by_o his_o consequence_n it_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v right_o infer_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v also_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a a_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o the_o body_n and_o of_o temporal_a good_n even_o as_o temporal_a prince_n have_v in_o order_n to_o temporal_a good_a a_o power_n not_o only_o to_o command_v but_o also_o to_o dispose_v thereof_o and_o to_o deprive_v by_o a_o iuridicall_a sentence_n their_o subject_n of_o their_o temporal_a good_n and_o also_o of_o their_o corporal_a life_n and_o because_o my_o adversary_n drift_n and_o meaning_n be_v to_o prove_v thus_o much_o by_o his_o consequence_n therefore_o in_o this_o sense_n which_o his_o word_n do_v bear_v and_o he_o also_o intend_v i_o do_v absolute_o deny_v his_o consequence_n now_o what_o repugnance_n or_o contradiction_n trow_v you_o can_v all_o his_o skill_n in_o logic_n although_o it_o be_v far_o great_a then_o most_o man_n that_o know_v he_o suppose_v it_o to_o be_v find_v in_o grant_v his_o consequence_n in_o one_o sense_n and_o deny_v it_o in_o a_o other_o and_o who_o folly_n be_v discover_v and_o whether_o my_o instance_n or_o his_o reply_n be_v ridiculous_a i_o dare_v adventure_n to_o remit_v even_o to_o his_o own_o judgement_n 57_o but_o my_o adversary_n perceive_v as_o it_o seem_v that_o according_a to_o the_o vulgar_a axiom_n ducere_fw-la ad_fw-la inconueniens_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la soluere_fw-la argumentum_fw-la to_o draw_v one_o to_o a_o inconvenience_n be_v not_o to_o solve_v the_o argument_n endeavour_v to_o answer_v my_o instance_n abstract_v from_o my_o grant_n but_o let_v we_o set_v aside_o say_v he_o 36_o he_o nu_fw-la 13._o pag._n 36_o widdrington_n grant_v and_o consider_v how_o probable_a be_v the_o instance_n that_o he_o make_v against_o i_o by_o this_o argument_n consider_v in_o itself_o and_o compare_v with_o i_o the_o accessory_a say_v he_o follow_v the_o principal_a and_o therefore_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n which_o no_o doubt_n be_v true_a if_o he_o speak_v of_o such_o a_o one_o as_o have_v a_o supreme_a dominion_n or_o power_n as_o i_o do_v in_o my_o argument_n when_o i_o speak_v of_o the_o pope_n who_o be_v supreme_a head_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n have_v the_o direct_a charge_n of_o man_n soul_n have_v also_o indirect_o the_o care_n and_o charge_n of_o whatsoever_o be_v accessory_a to_o the_o soul_n and_o subordinate_a thereto_o so_o far_o forth_o i_o mean_v as_o be_v requisite_a for_o the_o good_a of_o soul_n as_o also_o in_o like_a manner_n a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n albeit_o he_o be_v not_o direct_o the_o lord_n of_o all_o horse_n and_o bridle_n in_o his_o kingdom_n or_o state_n yet_o have_v direct_o the_o charge_n and_o care_n of_o the_o whole_a common_a wealth_n he_o may_v dispose_v not_o only_o of_o all_o the_o horse_n but_o also_o of_o all_o the_o bridle_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n when_o it_o shall_v undoubted_o be_v convenient_a and_o necessary_a for_o the_o public_a good_a thereof_o 58_o true_a it_o be_v that_o this_o consequence_n the_o accessory_a or_o consequent_a do_v necessary_o follow_v the_o principal_a or_o antecedent_n therefore_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v also_o lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o who_o may_v for_o the_o common_a good_a dispose_n of_o all_o the_o horse_n in_o his_o kingdom_n may_v also_o for_o the_o same_o good_a dispose_n of_o all_o the_o bridle_n be_v a_o true_a and_o good_a consequence_n but_o not_o for_o that_o a_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a or_o necessary_o annex_v and_o consequent_a to_o a_o horse_n as_o my_o adversary_n affirm_v for_o than_o it_o must_v be_v true_a not_o only_o in_o a_o prince_n but_o also_o in_o all_o other_o man_n who_o have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o the_o principal_a and_o moreover_o this_o consequence_n will_v also_o be_v good_a the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n who_o buy_v all_o horse_n which_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n doctrine_n be_v the_o principal_a must_v consequent_o buy_v all_o bridle_n which_o be_v the_o accessory_n but_o the_o aforesaid_a consequence_n be_v therefore_o good_a for_o that_o to_o be_v a_o supreme_a temporal_a lord_n of_o all_o bridle_n be_v accessory_n or_o consequent_a to_o be_v a_o supreme_a temporal_a lord_n of_o all_o horse_n which_o be_v the_o more_o noble_a principal_a or_o antecedent_n and_o so_o the_o power_n in_o a_o temporal_a prince_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n be_v necessary_o connect_v with_o his_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n 59_o wherefore_o according_a to_o my_o opinion_n who_o do_v not_o make_v bridle_n to_o be_v accessary_a to_o horse_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o accessary_a be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n but_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n to_o be_v accessary_a or_o consequent_a to_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n for_o that_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v both_o of_o horse_n and_o bridle_n be_v necessary_o include_v in_o a_o supreme_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_a thing_n as_o a_o part_n in_o the_o whole_a the_o aforesaid_a argument_n speak_v of_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n be_v good_a not_o only_o vi_o consequentis_fw-la to_o use_v the_o term_n of_o logician_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequent_a but_o also_o vi_fw-la consequentiae_fw-la by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequence_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o not_o only_o the_o consequent_a be_v true_a but_o also_o the_o consequence_n be_v good_a but_o he_o that_o will_v grant_v the_o argument_n to_o be_v good_a in_o regard_n that_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a to_o horse_n as_o my_o adversary_n do_v he_o can_v not_o maintain_v that_o argument_n to_o be_v good_a in_o a_o supreme_a temporal_a prince_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequence_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a but_o by_o virtue_n of_o a_o other_o maxim_n which_o be_v that_o every_o part_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o whole_a and_o therefore_o a_o temporal_a prince_n who_o for_o the_o common_a temporal_a good_a have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o temporal_a thing_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o all_o horse_n bridle_n and_o all_o other_o temporal_a thing_n 60_o now_o although_o i_o do_v grant_v this_o consequence_n in_o the_o pope_n that_o because_o the_o accessary_n or_o consequent_a do_v follow_v the_o principal_a or_o antecedent_n therefore_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o command_v spiritual_n have_v also_o power_n to_o command_v temporal_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a not_o for_o that_o temporal_n be_v accessary_a or_o consequent_a to_o spiritual_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o accessary_n and_o consequent_a be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n but_o for_o that_o a_o power_n in_o the_o pope_n to_o command_v temporal_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a be_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n accessary_a and_o consequent_a to_o his_o power_n of_o command_a spiritual_n yet_o i_o utter_o deny_v this_o consequence_n the_o accessary_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o command_v and_o to_o dispose_v of_o spiritual_n or_o
to_o inflict_v spiritual_a punishment_n have_v also_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n and_o not_o only_o to_o command_v or_o enjoin_v but_o also_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n or_o to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o constraint_n for_o although_o temporal_n be_v ordain_v to_o spiritual_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o i_o have_v often_o declare_v and_o for_o that_o cause_n may_v be_v call_v accessary_a to_o spiritual_n yet_o as_o accessary_a be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n they_o be_v neither_o accessary_n to_o spiritual_n for_o that_o spiritual_a good_a may_v in_o any_o man_n be_v very_o well_o without_o they_o neither_o be_v the_o pope_n pretend_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporall_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a and_o to_o punish_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n by_o way_n of_o constraint_n accessary_a or_o consequent_a to_o his_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o spiritual_n or_o to_o punish_v with_o spiritual_a punishment_n or_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n 61_o and_o by_o this_o be_v easy_o answer_v that_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n say_v in_o the_o next_o paragraph_n concern_v private_a man_n and_o if_o we_o consider_v say_v he_o 3â—_n he_o nu._n 14._o p._n 3â—_n also_o widdrington_n argument_n even_o in_o particular_a and_o private_a man_n it_o may_v have_v a_o very_a true_a sense_n and_o will_v fortify_v i_o for_o whosoever_o be_v lord_n of_o any_o horse_n be_v lord_n also_o of_o the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n because_o according_a to_o widdrington_n supposition_n they_o be_v accessary_a of_o the_o say_a horse_n and_o therefore_o according_a to_o my_o axiom_n do_v follow_v their_o principal_n and_o the_o same_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v in_o this_o our_o case_n see_v that_o the_o pope_n do_v not_o otherwise_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a good_n then_o the_o same_o do_v belong_v to_o particular_a man_n who_o he_o have_v occasion_n to_o chastise_v for_o the_o benefit_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o the_o public_a good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o when_o he_o punish_v any_o prince_n temporal_o he_o neither_o do_v nor_o can_v do_v it_o in_o other_o man_n good_n but_o only_o in_o those_o good_n or_o state_n which_o belong_v to_o that_o prince_n as_o a_o lord_n of_o a_o horse_n dispose_v not_o of_o other_o man_n bridle_n but_o of_o the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o his_o own_o horse_n for_o as_o other_o man_n bridle_n be_v not_o accessary_a of_o that_o horse_n so_o neither_o be_v other_o man_n good_n accessary_a to_o the_o prince_n who_o be_v to_o be_v punish_v but_o such_o good_n or_o state_n only_o as_o belong_v to_o he_o and_o may_v consequent_o be_v dispose_v of_o by_o his_o supreme_a pastor_n when_o he_o and_o the_o public_a good_a of_o the_o church_n shall_v necessary_o require_v it_o so_o as_o you_o see_v how_o well_o widdrington_n argue_v for_o i_o and_o therefore_o the_o probability_n that_o i_o see_v in_o this_o his_o argument_n be_v no_o other_o but_o that_o he_o play_v as_o i_o may_v say_v booty_n with_o i_o and_o help_v under_o hand_n to_o defend_v my_o cause_n thus_o much_o for_o the_o first_o argument_n 62_o but_o first_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o i_o according_a to_o my_o own_o doctrine_n do_v suppose_v that_o bridle_n be_v accessary_a to_o horse_n as_o accessary_a be_v take_v in_o the_o aforesaid_a maxim_n but_o i_o do_v suppose_v and_o that_o true_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n doctrine_n that_o bridle_n be_v accessary_a to_o horse_n for_o that_o they_o be_v make_v and_o ordain_v for_o horse_n in_o which_o sense_n he_o take_v accessory_a in_o that_o maxim_n and_o therefore_o he_o affirm_v that_o corporal_a and_o temporal_a good_n be_v accessary_a to_o the_o spiritual_a good_a of_o the_o soul_n for_o that_o they_o be_v ordain_v and_o refer_v to_o the_o say_v spiritual_a good_a 63_o second_o it_o be_v also_o untrue_a that_o the_o argument_n which_o i_o make_v against_o his_o consequence_n if_o it_o be_v consider_v in_o particular_a and_o private_a man_n can_v have_v a_o very_a true_a sense_n as_o it_o be_v ground_v in_o that_o rule_n or_o maxim_n the_o accessary_n follow_v the_o principal_a and_o that_o it_o do_v fortify_v his_o consequence_n for_o whosoever_o say_v he_o be_v lord_n of_o any_o horse_n be_v lord_n also_o of_o the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n because_o according_a to_o his_o own_o supposition_n and_o not_o i_o they_o be_v the_o accessary_n of_o the_o say_a horse_n observe_v now_o good_a reader_n how_o cunning_o this_o man_n will_v shift_v off_o the_o argument_n or_o instance_n which_o i_o make_v against_o his_o consequence_n and_o delude_v thou_o with_o ambiguous_a word_n for_o what_o can_v any_o man_n imagine_v my_o adversary_n to_o understand_v by_o these_o word_n the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n for_o sure_o no_o man_n can_v be_v so_o simple_a as_o to_o think_v that_o any_o bridle_n can_v be_v say_v to_o belong_v to_o a_o horse_n as_o to_o the_o true_a owner_n thereof_o or_o so_o proper_a to_o a_o horse_n that_o the_o horse_n can_v not_o be_v without_o that_o bridle_n for_o so_o indeed_o it_o will_v very_o well_o follow_v from_o that_o maxim_n that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o that_o horse_n be_v also_o lord_n of_o that_o bridle_n and_o he_o that_o shall_v buy_v that_o horse_n shall_v also_o buy_v that_o bridle_n which_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n and_o therefore_o either_o it_o must_v be_v say_v that_o such_o a_o bridle_n do_v belong_v to_o such_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o the_o bridlemaker_n do_v make_v it_o serve_v such_o a_o horse_n and_o for_o this_o respect_n it_o can_v not_o be_v true_o say_v that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o that_o horse_n be_v lord_n also_o of_o that_o bridle_n for_o the_o bridlemaker_n and_o not_o he_o who_o be_v owner_n of_o that_o horse_n may_v be_v lord_n and_o owner_n of_o the_o bridle_n or_o else_o for_o that_o such_o a_o bridle_n be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n or_o always_o use_v for_o such_o a_o horse_n neither_o for_o this_o respect_n or_o any_o such_o like_a can_v it_o be_v true_o say_v that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o that_o horse_n be_v consequent_o lord_n of_o that_o bridle_n and_o can_v dispose_v thereof_o because_o that_o bridle_n may_v be_v lend_v for_o the_o use_n of_o that_o horse_n by_o some_o other_o man_n who_o be_v the_o true_a lord_n and_o owner_n of_o that_o bridle_n and_o consequent_o may_v dispose_v thereof_o and_o not_o of_o the_o horse_n 64_o it_o remain_v therefore_o that_o for_o this_o cause_n only_o as_o my_o adversary_n himself_o here_o insinuate_v such_o a_o bridle_n can_v be_v say_v to_o belong_v to_o such_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o the_o same_o man_n who_o be_v the_o true_a lord_n and_o owner_n both_o of_o the_o horse_n and_o bridle_n and_o consequent_o have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o they_o both_o do_v appoint_v that_o bridle_n to_o serve_v that_o horse_n and_o although_o in_o this_o sense_n that_o consequent_a be_v true_a to_o wit_n that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o any_o horse_n be_v also_o lord_n and_o can_v dispose_v of_o the_o bridle_n which_o belong_v to_o such_o a_o horse_n or_o to_o speak_v more_o proper_o which_o belong_v to_o the_o lord_n of_o such_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o the_o same_o man_n be_v lord_n of_o they_o both_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o true_a by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequence_n or_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessary_n follow_v the_o principal_a or_o for_o that_o the_o horse_n be_v the_o principal_a and_o the_o bridle_n the_o accessory_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o principal_a and_o accessory_a aught_o to_o be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n for_o than_o it_o must_v also_o follow_v that_o he_o who_o buy_v that_o horse_n and_o consequent_o can_v dispose_v thereof_o as_o be_v the_o true_a owner_n of_o that_o horse_n have_v also_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o that_o bridle_n for_o that_o the_o accessory_n must_v follow_v the_o principal_a which_o consequence_n be_v false_a but_o the_o consequent_a be_v true_a not_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a but_o by_o virtue_n of_o another_o maxim_n which_o be_v that_o he_o who_o be_v the_o true_a lord_n or_o owner_n of_o any_o horse_n bridle_n or_o of_o any_o such_o like_a temporal_a thing_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v thereof_o 65_o wherefore_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o my_o aforesaid_a instance_n argument_n or_o consequence_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v consequent_o lord_n and_o can_v dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n be_v neither_o true_a in_o sovereign_a prince_n nor_o in_o private_a man_n understanding_n as_o my_o adversary_n do_v that_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a to_o horse_n neither_o do_v that_o consequent_a although_o it_o be_v true_a not_o
be_v that_o excommunication_n do_v not_o take_v away_o the_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n but_o suppose_v that_o it_o be_v before_o take_v away_o and_o therefore_o it_o can_v be_v inflict_v but_o for_o a_o mortal_a sin_n and_o it_o be_v apply_v as_o a_o wholesome_a medicine_n to_o restore_v the_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n again_o neither_o be_v it_o in_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o take_v away_o the_o life_n of_o the_o soul_n from_o any_o christian_a concern_v which_o life_n that_o vulgar_a say_n of_o s._n chrysost_o be_v most_o true_a nemo_fw-la laeditur_fw-la nisi_fw-la a_o semetipso_fw-la no_o man_n be_v hurt_v but_o by_o himself_o possit_fw-la s._n chrysost_o tom_fw-mi 5._o in_o libro_fw-la quod_fw-la qui_fw-la seipsum_fw-la non_fw-la laedit_fw-la nemo_fw-la laedere_fw-la possit_fw-la if_o i_o shall_v have_v utter_v so_o gross_a and_o palpable_a a_o error_n which_o no_o heretic_n for_o aught_o i_o know_v ever_o teach_v what_o outcry_n will_v my_o adversary_n have_v make_v against_o i_o what_o nickname_n will_v he_o have_v give_v i_o 17_o to_o my_o second_o instance_n which_o be_v this_o whosoever_o have_v power_n to_o do_v the_o great_a have_v power_n to_o do_v the_o less_o therefore_o a_o man_n who_o have_v power_n to_o understand_v have_v power_n also_o to_o fly_v mr._n fitzherbert_n repli_v thus_o 44._o thus_o nu._n 8._o pag._n 44._o but_o who_o see_v not_o the_o disparity_n and_o widdrington_n absurdity_n therein_o for_o what_o dependence_n subordination_n or_o connexion_n can_v be_v imagine_v betwixt_o understanding_n and_o fly_v whereas_o he_o himself_o grant_v a_o subordination_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a and_o therefore_o be_v also_o force_v as_o you_o have_v hear_v to_o acknowledge_v a_o power_n in_o the_o pope_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a whereby_o he_o convince_v himself_o of_o extreme_a folly_n in_o frame_v this_o argument_n which_o have_v no_o affinity_n with_o the_o other_o 18_o but_o who_o see_v not_o that_o there_o be_v no_o formal_a disparity_n nor_o any_o absurdity_n commit_v by_o i_o in_o this_o argument_n for_o first_o what_o dependence_n subordination_n &_o connexion_n be_v betwixt_o excommunication_n &_o deposition_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n say_v becanus_n 1._o becanus_n in_o controversia_fw-la anglicana_n cap._n 3._o q._n 2._o nu_fw-la 1._o to_o excommunicate_v a_o king_n and_o a_o other_o thing_n to_o depose_v he_o or_o deprive_v he_o of_o his_o kingdom_n neither_o be_v the_o one_o necessary_o connect_v with_o the_o other_o but_o mark_v the_o fraudulent_a deal_n of_o this_o man_n widdrington_n grant_v say_v he_o a_o subordination_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a and_o therefore_o be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v a_o power_n in_o the_o pope_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a it_o be_v true_a that_o i_o do_v grant_v a_o ordination_n both_o of_o temporal_a and_o of_o spiritual_a thing_n to_o the_o honour_n of_o god_n and_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v but_o it_o be_v not_o true_a that_o i_o do_v either_o grant_v a_o subordination_n or_o ordination_n of_o deposition_n to_o excommunication_n or_o that_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o ordination_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o the_o honour_n &_o service_n of_o god_n &_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n i_o do_v grant_v a_o power_n in_o the_o pope_n to_o command_v temporal_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a as_o my_o adversary_n say_v i_o do_v but_o for_o that_o reason_n which_o i_o have_v more_o at_o large_a declare_v in_o the_o former_a chapter_n 19_o see_v therefore_o that_o there_o be_v no_o dependence_n subordination_n or_o connexion_n betwixt_o excommunication_n and_o deposition_n what_o connexion_n or_o affinity_n can_v my_o adversary_n require_v betwixt_o understanding_n and_o fly_v to_o show_v a_o formal_a disparity_n betwixt_o lessius_fw-la argument_n and_o the_o instance_n which_o i_o make_v against_o it_o and_o if_o he_o say_v that_o albeit_o excommunication_n and_o deposition_n temporal_a thing_n and_o spiritual_a be_v of_o a_o distinct_a kind_n and_o order_n be_v consider_v in_o their_o own_o nature_n yet_o if_o they_o be_v respect_v as_o they_o be_v refer_v to_o one_o last_o end_n which_o be_v god_n service_n and_o glory_n they_o be_v not_o of_o diverse_a order_n but_o be_v connect_v in_o that_o respect_n it_o may_v also_o be_v reply_v that_o understanding_n and_o fly_v and_o all_o thing_n whatsoever_o be_v refer_v to_o god_n service_n and_o glory_n as_o to_o the_o last_o end_n and_o therefore_o in_o this_o respect_n they_o be_v not_o of_o diverse_a order_n but_o they_o have_v herein_o a_o coherence_n and_o connexion_n if_o therefore_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o ordination_n and_o reference_n of_o excommunication_n and_o deposition_n to_o god_n service_n and_o glory_n it_o may_v be_v right_o infer_v that_o because_o the_o pope_n for_o god_n service_n and_o glory_n can_v excommunicate_v which_o be_v the_o great_a he_o can_v also_o for_o the_o same_o end_n depose_v which_o be_v the_o less_o for_o the_o same_o ordination_n and_o reference_n of_o understanding_n and_o fly_v to_o god_n service_n and_o glory_n it_o may_v also_o be_v right_o infer_v that_o because_o the_o pope_n for_o god_n service_n and_o glory_n have_v power_n to_o understand_v which_o be_v the_o great_a he_o have_v also_o for_o the_o same_o end_n power_n to_o fly_v which_o be_v the_o less_o 20_o but_o second_o and_o principal_o observe_v good_a reader_n how_o cunning_o mr._n fitzherbert_n will_v shun_v the_o difficulty_n and_o change_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n &_o the_o force_n of_o lessius_fw-la his_o argument_n for_o the_o question_n between_o i_o &_o lessius_fw-la only_o be_v whether_o this_o consequence_n the_o pope_n can_v excommunicate_v therefore_o he_o can_v depose_v be_v good_a by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n he_o that_o can_v do_v the_o great_a can_v do_v the_o 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