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use_n and_o institution_n be_v in_o the_o river_n not_o with_o invocation_n of_o the_o three_o person_n see_v the_o apostle_n baptise_a only_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n in_o his_o own_o latin_a thus_o baptisma_fw-la in_o aquis_fw-la perennibus_fw-la apostolici_fw-la instituti_fw-la &_o moris_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la invocatio_fw-la trinitatis_fw-la super_fw-la baptizatum_fw-la cum_fw-la apostli_fw-la in_o solo_fw-la nomine_fw-la jesu_fw-la baptizarent_fw-la salmasius_n in_o apparatu_fw-la ad_fw-la libros_fw-la de_fw-la primatu_fw-la papae_fw-la fol._n 193._o salmasius_n his_o testimony_n against_o the_o present_a presbyteriall-way_n duobus_fw-la modis_fw-la haâ—_n independentia_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la accipi_fw-la potest_fw-la si_fw-la vel_fw-la respectum_fw-la non_fw-la habeant_fw-la ad_fw-la vicinas_fw-la ullas_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la aut_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la pendeant_fw-la ab_fw-la authoritate_fw-la aliquot_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la simul_fw-la in_o unam_fw-la classem_fw-la vel_fw-la synodum_fw-la conjunctarum_fw-la cujus_fw-la conventus_fw-la partem_fw-la &_o ipsae_fw-la faciant_fw-la prio_fw-la modus_fw-la similior_fw-la reperitur_fw-la primitivae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la praxi_fw-la consueâ—udini_fw-la ac_fw-la usui_fw-la quo_fw-la voluntaria_fw-la haec_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d et_fw-la communio_fw-la inter_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la fuit_fw-la posterior_n magis_fw-la convenit_fw-la eum_fw-la instituto_fw-la quod_fw-la postea_fw-la juris_fw-la humani_fw-la dispositione_n introductum_fw-la est_fw-la hoc_fw-la posteriore_fw-la modo_fw-la lâ—berâ—as_fw-la particularium_fw-la ecclesiarium_fw-la magis_fw-la immmuta_fw-la videtur_fw-la quam_fw-la priore_fw-la sed_fw-la quod_fw-la ab_fw-la initio_fw-la fuerit_fw-la voluntatis_fw-la postea_fw-la factum_fw-la est_fw-la juris_fw-la et_fw-la hoc_fw-la jus_o sane_fw-la positivum_fw-la atque_fw-la ecclesiasticum_fw-la humanumque_fw-la non_fw-la divinum_fw-la 4._o juris_fw-la est_fw-la quidem_fw-la divini_fw-la ut_fw-la una_fw-la siâ—_n ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la unitas_fw-la autem_fw-la ejus_fw-la non_fw-la gregalium_fw-la aut_fw-la concorporalâ—um_fw-la plurium_fw-la adunata_fw-la collectione_n consistat_fw-la sed_fw-la in_o fidei_fw-la ac_fw-la doctrine_n unanimi_fw-la consensione_n pag._n 265_o 266_o in_fw-la apparatu_fw-la in_o english_a thus_o this_o independency_n of_o church_n may_v be_v take_v two_o way_n either_o as_o not_o have_v respect_n to_o any_o neighbour_n church_n or_o as_o not_o depend_v on_o the_o authority_n of_o â—ome_o church_n that_o be_v join_v in_o some_o classis_fw-la or_o synod_n of_o which_o the_o church_n themselves_o may_v make_v a_o paâ—t_n the_o former_a way_n be_v find_v to_o be_v more_o like_o the_o practice_n custom_n and_o use_v of_o the_o primitive_a church_n whereby_o this_o voluntary_a communion_n be_v among_o thâ—_n church_n the_o latter_a way_n do_v more_o agree_v with_o the_o institution_n which_o afterward_o be_v 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