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A27361 A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie. Bellamie, John, d. 1654.; Price, John, Citizen of London. City remonstrance remonstrated. 1646 (1646) Wing B1814; ESTC R4476 42,384 58

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A IVSTIFICATION OF THE City Remonstrance AND ITS VINDICATION OR An Answer to a Book written by Mr. I. P. Entituled The City Remonstrance Remonstrated Wherein the frequent Falsifyings of the said Mr. I. P. are discovered the many Charges by him laid upon the Remonstrance and its Vindicator disproved and the parity and agreement of the Remonstrance especially in those particulars so much condemned by him with the Propositions Declarations Remonstrances and Votes of both or either House of Parliament manifested By JOHN BELLAMIE LONDON Printed by Richard Cotes 1646. To the Right Honorable Thomas Adams Lord Major and to the Right Worshipfull the Aldermen and the rest of the Common-Councell of the City LONDON Right Honourable Right Worshipfull VPon the 14 of April last you being in Court of Common-councell assembled made choice of a Committee of Aldermen and Commoners to prepare a draught of A Remonstrance and Petition to both Houses of Parliament and to present it in Court to be there either approved or altered as upon debate should be judged meet In obedience thereunto the said Committee upon the 20 of May following presented it in Common-councell where every branch thereof was taken apart and by it self into serious Consideration and after three dayes debating in open Court it was by consent and approbation of the Court finished and upon the 26 of May in the name of the Lord Major Aldermen and Common-councell presented to both Houses of Parliament Since which time two Libells have been Printed against the said Remonstrance the one call'd A moderate Reply to the City Remonstrance the other entituled The Interest of England maintained In one of which it is charged to carry a full complyance with His Majesties wonted Declarations against the Parliament and in the other That a great part of the main Sticklers in it are such as were alwayes backward to the Parliament and forced to pay their Fifth and twentieth part with many other foolish foule and false aspersions in them both Whereupon though the unmeetest because the unablest of many others I adventured the Vindication of it In answer whereof a●d in further opposition to the said Remonstrance one Mr. J. P. hath since published a Book named The City Remonstrance Remonstrated calling it a hard-hearted Remonstrance and a Remonstrance invective against the Parliament c. And in Page 29. charges mee● for saying s●mething but instances in nothing concerning the King the Lords and the power of the Commons and what my carriages have been not very long since in Common-councell c. and doth thereby as it were in a tacite way call the Court to testifie against me All which hath occasioned me this second time to put pen t● Paper in a further Justification of your Remonstrance and also of its Vindication and to a clearing of my self from those many charges of mutation and change which to beget a d●sesteem of what I have written in Vindication of the Remonstrance hee hath laid against me My intention in this my addresse unto your Lordship to the worthy Aldermen and to all the rest of the Common-councell is neither to exasperate you against the person of my opposite nor yet to seeke protection from you for my self or Books for if what I have written be not co●cordable to Truth and true Reason let both mee and them fall before my Antagonist But being thus publ●kely charged that I should not very long since speak something but what it is hee saith not in Common-councell c. as if it were crosse or contrary to some passages in the Remonstrance or to what I have written in the Vindication thereof for saith he It makes them that heard it and observe what your Carriages are now stand with admiration and amazement at your wheeling thus about I ●oe therefore humbly crave leave to present this my Justification of your Remonstrance and its Vindication to your Lordship and to the whole Court of Common-councell and doe appeal to all of you in generall and to every one of you in particular t●●estifie against me if at any time since I had that undeserved honour and happinesse to be a member of this Court there ever fell any one word from me so much as savouring of such things as by this Mr. J. P. I am charged to speak in your presence and I shall ever remain Your Lordships and this Cities servant IOHN BELLAMIE To my truly Loved and Honoured FRIEND Mr. IOHN PRICE SIR I Have perused your Book entituled The City Remonstrance Remonstrated or an answer to my Vindication of the said Remonstrance wherin I perceive you have been very ready to receive whatever Reports either true or false have been broug●t unto you conc●rning my carriage in matters of Religion even from the day of my birth to the publishing of your Book and taking them upon trust for you have not the least knowledge of any one of the particular● and many of them relate I think to the time before you were born without ever speaking one word to me about them though wee are professed and have been long acquainted ●ntimate Friends and to the best of my knowledge and remembrance not any time the least offensive word ever passed between us and now are so neare neighbors that whenever you p●eased in lesse then one quarter of an hour you might freely have communicated to me whatever you h●d a desire to bee satisfied in you have as I con●eive to weaken my esteem and to render what I have written to bee the more invalid divulged them to the world Two th●ngs I desire i● love to represent unto you in this First if all that you have written of mee were true the contrary wherof I shall easily prove when I come to the particulars yet I beseech you consider how irregular this your proceeding against me is and contrary to the rule given by our Saviour Christ for you and mee and all Gods people to walke by in Mat●h 18. 15 16 17. If thy brother trespasse against thee goe and tell him his fault between thee and him alone if he shall heare thee thou hast gained thy brother c. and mind that of Solomon Prov. 15. 18. A man that beareth false witnesse against his neighbour is a maul a sword and a sharpe arrow Secondly I pray also remember how exceedingly your selfe and all your friends the Antipresbyters have distasted and by word of mouth often with much dislike blamed Mr. Edwards for medling with personall matters notwithstanding his way of writing in this kind is much different from this of yours as being of practises and matters within these few years since they went into that way of Independency and as hee conceives flowing from their principles and not as you in this of things raked up through the whole course of their lives being also professedly to discover the errors of the times viz Here●ies Blasphemies c. and thereby to preserve the people from the evill of them Now I pray
like bee said as of Books so of men where is the man without his errors without his miscariages as I will not accuse so I beleeve you will not excuse Mr. I. P. himselfe from these And truly for ●y self I dare not to these plead my defence for I know more by my selfe then you or all your Reporters can accuse me of and earnestly humbly I desire that God may be glorified both in my acknowledgement of them to him and his pardoning of them to mee but upon what ground you should thus boldly breake in upon mee knowing nothing of any thing that of the●e you affirme I can but wonder I pray be pleased to make a second inquiry amongst all your Reporters and see if they can make it out for truth unto you that ever at any time in any place either by word or writing any thing fell from mee either for Bishops for Separates for Schismaticks or for Sectaries and if not as confident I am nor you nor they can then why doe you wrong your selfe and your Cause in thus going about to wrong me by reporting and divulging these untruths of me But I have tyred out my selfe and perhaps wearied the Reader too in following you so long upon these personall things yet must I needs crave favour to particularize one passage more viz. in your 29 pag. in these words viz. Mr. John Bellamie what kinde of man are you They that observe your sayings what they have been formerly concerning the King concerning the Lords concerning the power of the Commons whispering your thoughts in the eares of many that now speake of it what your carriages have been not very long since in Common-Councell or among your brethren the Stationer's the Committee appointed for the keeping up and maintaining the Expository Lectures and what your carriages are now stand with admiration and amusement at your wheeling thus about Answ. I desire the Reader to observe the many Charges which in this you lay against mee at the least six yet you particularize not any one might I not more justly then you take your owne words used in reference to Quarterman in your 12 page and apply them to that which in this you spake against mee viz. Hang him hang him what hath he done And what I pray you may such as know mee not be ready to judge of mee when they heare so many and so great Charges in the generall laid against mee and seemingly confirmed by so many Witnesses as the whole Common-Councell the Company of Stationers the Committee for Expository Lectures was there ever the like passages printed against any man by the worst of enemies that ever he had to charge him with something against the King as if that were Treason something against the Lords Commons as if that were either Treason or at least Scandalum Magnatum and this to be whispered by mee in the eares of many that now speake of it againe and yet to instance in nothing at all and then furth●r to say what your carriages have been not very long since in Common-Councell or among your Brethren the Stationers the Committee appointed for the keeping 〈…〉 maintaining the Expository Lectures Now I appeale to your own soule whether this your dealing can have any defence m●de for it And I do appeale also to the worst of Enemies that I have alive as it seemes I have a great many for I thanke you heartily for it you told mee privately by word of mouth upon Saturday the 8 of this August that there is a Booke of the History of my life already drawn up and fitted for the Presse wherein are many heavie Charges laid against me in the matters of my conversation to make any thing good against mee in any of these generalls which here you sp●ak of and in particular I appeal to the Court of Common-Councell to the Company of Stationers and to the Committee a●pointed for the keeping up and maintaining the Expository Lectures for all these you seeme to bring as witnesses against me whether ever I did or spake any thing at any time in any of the●e Assemblies which in any thing was any way crosse or contrary either to the City Remonstrance or to any thing in my Vindication thereof for you say that they observing your now carriages stand with admiration and amasement at your wheeling thus about Mr I. P. I pray remember that Scripture which in your 1● page you set in a parallel against a passage in the Remonstrance to prove that the Common-Councell doth act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God and bring it hither and set it likewise in parallel against this your dealing with me and then tell mee who doth act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God the Scripture you cite is Matth. 7. 12. As you would that men should doe unto you so doe unto them for this is the Law and the Prophets Mr. I. P. I beseech you aske your owne soule whether you would that I or any other man should deale thus by you as you have dealt by me gathering up whatever you cou●d heare against mee whether true or false in my carriages about matters of Religion and that for above 30 yeares together and though you know nothing of any one of them more or lesse and there being not one of them true as you relate them yet without ever speaking one word to me about them with such boldnesse and confidence of truth to publish them to the world And now tell me Whether you doe as you would bee done unto and whether in this your owne Conscience being your judge you doe not act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse will and word of God But I must break off yet with this resolution that your indeavour thus to blaz on my Name and blast my Repute shall by Gods grace quicken mee up to a more Christian watchfulnesse over all my wayes that I may walke more inoffensively towards men and more pleasingly before God and I blesse my God that my Name is neither in the power of your tongue nor pen nor yet of your reporters neither but onely in the hand power of my good God who is able to keep that which I have committed to him and I blesse his Name I am not in any thing terrified by that which you or they have in this already done in thus seeking to defame mee nor yet I hope ever shall bee at that History of my Life which you say is ready for the Presse to be Printed against mee Next you come in your 22 page to that question wherein resides the Supreme power of the Kingdome and upon this Argument you continue neare to the end of your Book and in page 23 you begin your Que●ies and first you aske what I meane by three Estates and yet in the same and the foregoing pages you