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A09881 A consideration of the papists reasons of state and religion, for toleration of poperie in England intimated in their supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, [and] the states of the present Parliament. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635. Supplication to the Kings most excellent Majestie. aut 1604 (1604) STC 20144; ESTC S105148 106,538 134

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Jupudent bragges wit learning reading iudgment vertue true piety qualities of all other likeliest to discerne and abandon error to her Teachers Doctors ever enioyed the like store of such lights as our Oppositors had never reason to compare with or if they do the extant monumēts in schoole positiue mysticall divinity and in all other literature will quickly shew the inequalitie and disproportion of the comparison Resolution of the 23. Reason Popish religion hath now and in all ages hath had the most famous men for wit learning reading iudgment vertue true pietie to her Teachers and Doctors Ergo. Poperie is true religion and so to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 WHat other Answere should I make vnto a bold impudent shamelesse false assertion without proofe or shew of probability but Thou lyest Satan 2 I will not name any now-living to avoide suspition of flatterie ONE Calvin ONE Peter Martyr ONE Melancthon ONE Iuell ONE Vrsine ONE Zanchius ONE Humfreyes ONE Whitakers ONE Iunius ONE Perkins to let infinite others passe had more sound learning infinitely more true pietie then ALL the Popish Teachers and Doctors that ever were are or shall bee ever had now have or ever hereafter can haue Reason of Religion 24 24 REASON OF RELIGION A religion whose publike and a Popish church service is blasphemie against GOD and a mockerie of religion Church service is executed with that maiestie honorable grauity and reverence the severall parts and b Popish Ceremonies are mens precepts conemed by Christ Mat. 15. ceremonies thereof so aptly and admirablie composed ordered for annuall commemoration representing of our Saviours incarnation birth life passion buriall resurrection ascension of the comming downe of the Holy Ghost of the mystery of the Trinitie and of other passages as well of Christ our head as of his members the Saints as it begetteth feedeth reneweth singular devotion in the actors hearers is also so comfortable in her c The comfors which the Popish Sacramēts afforde is deceaveable like vnto the hungrit mans dreame Esa 29.8 Sacramēts especially so easing and acquieting soules in the Sacrament of penance as no testimonie or demonstration vnder heaven is or can be of like seeling proose for the reall goodnes verity of that Sacrament as is the supernaturall sweetest divine consolation tasted therein as is the Sacrament of the Eucharist Resolution of the 24. Reason Popish Religion hath her church-service executed with maiestie honorable gravity and reverence her Ceremonies admirable and her Sacraments comfortable Ergo. Popish religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent I THE Popish Church-service is not Maiesticall honorable grave and reverent but blasphemous and full of apish trickes and toyes I For the substance of it it is full of idolatrous invocations of Angels and Saints II It is performed in an vnknowne tongue to the derision of GOD and mockerie of religion against the expresse words letter sense of the Scriptures 1. Cor. 14. III The theatricall attire and gesture the skipping friskes and gambols the in constant murmuring crying out and whispering of the Priest the bellowing piping and chanting and the lighting of candels at noone-day is not true maiestie gravity reverence but manifest demonstration of giddines levitie wantonnes and flat apostacie from true religion For our Saviour saith Iohn 4.24 they that worshippe GOD must worship him in spirit and truth 2 Popish Ceremonies are execrable Christ saith Mat. 15. 9. In vaine they worship me teaching for doctrines mens precepts 3 If Popish Religion were true it is most certaine that Popish Sacraments are very cōfortable For the Papists teach that the Sacraments of the new Testament do containe do conferre of themselues and merite grace that they iustifie that they forgiue sinnes sanctifie by the worke wroght yea without any good motion or disposition of the receiver or vser that is without faith This cannot choose but be very comfortable for be a man never so vile a villaine bee he never so vngracious of so wicked yet if he can bee made partaker of the Sacraments according to their doctrine he shall haue his sinnes actually forgiven him and be instantly iustified But alas this doctrine is not true it hath no warrant out of the Scriptures which restifie that without faith it is impossible to please GOD. It is the deceaueable learning of Antichrist to detaine miserable men captiues in his kingdome and to make them slaues vnto sinne by committing it with boldnes and to appease the stinging thereof in their consciences for a time II To the Consequence The Antecedent being false the Consequence falleth of it selfe Reason of Religion 25 25. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose secular and religious Cleargy liue without wiues free from care of providing for a But not for providing for bastards children the later sort no way distracted with the affaires and encombrances of the world but b But the Apostle saith that Pure religion and vndefiled before God is to visite the fatherlesse and widdowes in their adversitie Jac. 1.27 encloistered passe their whole time in praier watching fasting in continuall study of scriptures and in dayly exercise and dispute for ful perfect vnderstanding of them Helps that doe most further the attaining of truth and such as are not c An impudent lie sound in the adverse party and which in common reason Catholike Divines being not inferior to other Divines in wit or other talents shew that our teachers God being no acceptor of persons are more likely to haue vsing d Vutruth fitter meanes for the same the e No Papist dares expound the Scriptures truely See the Answere true intelligence and vnderstanding of scripture then are our adversaries or contradictors Resolution of the 25. Reason Popish Religion is that whose Cleargie liue without wiues c. Ergo What will the Suppliants conclude Popish Religion is the Doctrine of Divels ANSWERE 1 I graunt both the Antecedent and the Consequence Their Popish Cleargy although they keepe store of whoores and concubines yet they haue no wiues their popish doctrine is indeed the doctrine of divels 2 Their glory herein is to their shame For the Apostle saith 1. Tim. 4.1.2.3 Nowe the Spirite speaketh evidently that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith and shall giue heed vnto Spirits of errour doctrine of divels Which speake lies through hypocrisie and haue their consciences burned with an hote●●on Forbidding to marrie and commanding to abstaine from meates c. Both these notes of the Apostatical Church the Papists cannot by any shift depell from themselues so that out of this place vvee may demonstratiuely conclude that the Popish Church is the Church of Antichrist as I haue declared at large Lib. 1. de Antichr cap 28. 3 A sober and moderate care of providing for Children is no hinderance to godlinesse 4 As for the helpes which
in three severall supplications exhibited by them at severall times vnto his roiall Maiestie and is refuted in the Answere vnto their first supplication pag. 20. Yet forasmuch as the Petitioner hath newe furbished them same over againe and heere even in the forefront of this fourth Supplication placed it to be first considered as the maine and principall motive wherevpon his whole request is grounded I will not be a ggrieved to take the paines to refute it once againe I answere therefore I. To the Antecedent 1 If the Papistes doe not holde themselues obliged vnto his Maiestie except he graunt thē Toleration thē what cause haue they to reioyce so much at his accesse into this kingdome as they pretend they do in the beginning of this supplication 2 Their allegeance heere promised is vpon condition that his Maiestie will grant them free exercise of their Idolatrie and superstition but promise nothing in case of deniall Yea they blush not to say expressely that then they will bee without spirit or forwardnes in action vnapt for any employment c. and yet not without generosity of spirite and resolution to practise treacherie against his roiall Persō and the State as they were accustomed to doe in our late Soveraines daies 3 If the Papists had promised absolute loyalty service vnto his Highnes yet could they not haue performed the same all their subiection and obedience being anticipated and forestalled by the Pope of Rome 4 Mercenary service and obedience not performed of conscience is like the loyalty of Iudas who diligentlie attended his Master whilest he kept the bagge afterwards when he had no more hope to gaine that way perfidiously and traiterously betraied him 5 If the Pap●sts were tolerated to exercise their religion freely without molestation their obedience loyalty vnto the King would be much lesse then now it is because their Religion in the Articles thereof being treason against the lawfull auctority and State of Kings they would professe and practise the same with more boldnes impudency thē now they dare And that the Articles of their Religion be flatt Treason I have proued alreadie in the Answere vnto their first Supplication which because they be but short I will heere againe insert I The Papistes hould That the Pope may excommunicate Kinges II That the Pope hath power to absolue subiects from their faith and allegeance III That the Pope may depose Princes from their scepter and crowne IV That any private man may bee made executioner to murther or to poison the excommunicated King V That it is lawfull to kill a Tyrant VI That a King breaking and contemning the cōmon lawes of the l●nd may be deprived of his crowne by the people VII That there be other causes for the which Princes and great personages may be slaine VIII That faith must not be kept with Heretikes IX That whosoever is not within the communion of the Popish Church is an Heretike and consequently that his Maiestie of England is such a one X That no Cleargie-mā can cōmit treasō against any tēporall King because he is not the kings subiect but the Popes Vide Orat. ad Reg. Galliae de Restit Iesuit Et Eman. Sà in Aphorism Et Bellarm. lib. de Exempt Clericorum Et Catechis Iesuit lib 3. cap. 26. pag. 235. 6 Againe seeing the Papists bragge evē in the time of their restrainte that they are not inferiour to the Protestant or Puritane either in number alliance or generosity of spirit and resolution What will they not dare to attempt whē their number is increased by immunity of profession 7 By vertue of Popish Religion the Ecclesiasticall state or Cleargie of their Church are not the Kings subiects but challenge immunity and exemption from his Highnesse power from his indiciall Courtes in case of ordinary cōtributions Wherfore toleration would make these men yet more insolent in with-drawing their allegeance from his Maiestie 8 Put case Papistrie were not Treason against the Kinges lawfull power and also that the Cleargie of that Church would become very dutifull and obsequious vnto his Maiestie yet were not toleration to be admitted Because it would breede innumerable troubles and vproares in the state Ecclesiasticall of this land which being disquieted and vnsetled the civill regiment cannot bee long in peace II To the Consequence 1 Howsoever his Maiestie might wish in policy that all Papistes might thinke themselues infinitely obliged vnto his Highnesse and be ready in all occurrences to performe all serviceable duty and awfall obedience in any service soever belonging to the defence of his Maiesties person crowne or dignity Yet cannot his Highnesse allowe or practise the meanes leading therevnto if they be simplie vnlawfull and prohibited by the law of God such as toleration of Idolatrie and false worship is notoriously knowne to be 2 The malice of Papistes against the Gospell being vnplacable their treacherous hearts against men of contrary Religion experienced and sufficiently knowne and their practises against his Maiesties person and the State vncertaine it fits not the deepe reach of a Prince so long experienced in government to cure the head-ach by knocking out the braines to remedy vncertaine and lesser accidents by opening free passage to most certaine greater perilles 3 The Papists may be compelled to become obedient and dutifull subiects without toleration of their religion By abating their multitudes and lessening their nūbers by banishing their Priests by planting a learned ministrie for their conversion to true religion by the making and due execution of penall lawes against the obstinate and stubborne Recusant c. Reason of State II 2. REASON OF STATE AGaine the Puritane as hee a A manifest vn truth and slander of the state increaseth dayly aboue the Prote●tant in number so is he of a more presuming imperious horter disposition and zeale ever strongly burning in desire to reduce all things to the forme of his owne Idea or imagination conceived and therefore by discourse of reason not vnlike the enterprise beeing to be paralleled by many examples to attempt the overthrowe of the Protestant and bring the kingdome especially the Ecclesiasticall state to a paritie or popular forme of government if the Catholike perchaunce the b A lowde lie of insinuating cōpanions powerablest let thereof were once extinguished and to extinguish him no meane more potent then to forbid and punish the exercise of his religion And what confusion havocke and effusion of blood such an attempt would worke in the cōmon-weale it is easie to coniecture whiles the c Melancolike imaginations of malicious restlesse braines to set the State togither by the eares Puritane with his complices and such as thirst an infinite number to haue matters in scustling doe impugne on the one side and the Bishops Deanes Canons and the greatest possessors of Spirituall livings with all those that doe adhere to them defend on the other side and either partie stifly and violently
his Synagogue wee confesse but not from Christ and his true Church 3 The Pope is that Robber that Thiefe that Destroyer of the Sheepe who first departed and fel away frō Christ our Lord. But vve being the Lords Sheepe departed fell away from the Pope We separated our selues not frō the Church but from the robber and worrier of the sheep in the Church 4 Our separation cannot indeede properly bee tearmed a going out a departing a falling away or A●ostasie but a Renunciation of Apostasie VVherein wee haue imitated the Patriarks the Prophets Christ himselfe and his Apostles In the time of Enosch the Godly separated themselues from the rabble of the wicked had their private meetings wherein they applyed the holy exercises of devotion and Religion calling vpon the name of the Lord. Gen. 4.26 Paule separated the Disciples from the rest of the Iewes vvho vvilfully and obstinately resisted the Gospel of Christ 5 We in like manner haue separated our selues not as Heretikes are wont to doe from the Church of Christ but which all good Christians ought to doe from the cōtagion of wicked men and of Hypocrites 6 The Cardinals the false Bishops and all the rest of the Popish faction haue made a plaine and manifest Apostasie from the faith of Christ Iesus because they fell from the wholesome doctrine comprehended in the writings of the Prophets Apostles from the pure worship of GOD from the right administration and vse of the Sacramentes and also from holy discipline in manners And therefore the Papists be they that went out that segregated themselues that made dissentions and scandals contrary to the doctrine they had learned not the Protestants 7 Who appeale vnto this Faith from which they fell away vnto the holy Scriptures albeit they stil inculcate vnto vs the faith of the Popish Synagogue the Decrees and Decretals and the auctority of the Romish Pope for they see they cannot stand if iudgment be made of their doctrine according vnto the rule and square of the holy Scriptures no more then the auncient Heretikes could Tertul. de Resurrect Carnis cap. 3. II To the Consequence The Consequence hath no coherence with the Antecedent For our doctrine is not therefore new because we went out departed and separated our selues from the society and communion of the Popish Church seeing we we are expresly commanded vpon paine of eternal damnation to goe forth of Babylon Apoc. 18.4 Reason of Religion 4 4. REASON OF RELIGION A religion whose first Instituters except Christ his Apostles or after-deuisers a A manifest vntruth neither doth the Argument follow if we could not cānot be named by any of our Adversaries nor can they a shew that peece or fūdamental point of our faith either of la●e or since the Apostles time defined which This is witnessed in the Coūcel of (*) Do these Coūcels witnes that we are not able to shewe that there was nothing lately defined but what was beleeved before A senselesse assertion and a Note which noteth nothing Ephesus in epist Synodi cōtra Nestoriū in the Coūcel of Calcedon act 4.5 6. Item generali 6. Act. 4. 10. genera 7. Act. 2. And by Athanas of the Nicen. Councel in epist ad Afros in epist de Synodis Arimini et Seleuciae And by Socrates of the Councel of Alexandria in historia ecclesiast lib. 1. cap. 5. and others was not formerly beleeved the contrary thereof never taught by the Roman Church Wherfore in our vnderstanding it is evidēt that the religion b Everie false worship is the invention of the Devill and so is Popery we professe is not as it is c A slander with a matter of truth slandered to be a deuise or invētiō of mā nor ever was contrary to it selfe in doctrine but whatsoever hath beene in latter ages explicitiuely defined the same was alwaies not only holdē true from the beginning in d We care not what was beleeved in their church but certainly their doctrine was never beleeved in the true church of Christ our Church but also implicitiuely beleeved for the infallible auctority thereof Resolution of the 4. Reason Popish Religion is that whose first Institutors except Christ and his Apostles or after-devisers cannot be named by any nor can they all shewe that piece or fundamentall point of faith either of late or since the Apostles time defined which was not formerly beleeved and the contrary thereof never taught by the Romane Church Ergo. Popish religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 THE Institutor and deviser of Popishe Religion was not CHRIST and his Apostles but the DIVELL of hell by the ministrie of Antichrist his Disciples as shall plainely appeare in examining of the particulars in the reasons following 2 Many points of Popish doctrine were challenged even in the Primitiue Church for even at that time the mystery of iniquitie began to worke to bee false and erroneous Paul challenged the false-teachers which taught differences in meate and drinke observation of daies worshipping of Angels voluntary Religion and will-worshippe and bad the Collosians be warre of such Colloss 2. He reprehended also the false Apostles which taught Iustification by workes in his Epistles to the Romanes and Galathians all which errours and false doctrine the Popish Church embraceth defendeth at this day 3 Also the beginning increase perfection of the Popish Primacie is manifestly knowne When Constantine the Great ordained the cittie Byzantium to be the seate of his Empire which afterwards he called Constantinople of his owne name his departing from Rome was the cause of the first division of the Empire which shortly after ingendred a very schisme The Bishop of Rome began to shew himselfe and to worke the mistory of Antichrist For in the time of Odoacers raigne Anno Dom. 480. Acatius B. of Constantinople wrote to Simplicius B. of Rome desiring him also to condemne Peter B. of Alexandria of heresie for following Eutiches Heereby a sort of ambitious fellowes taking occasion began to reason of the auctority dignity of the Church B. of Rome contending that the church of Rome was the head of all Churches and the Bishop of Rome the Catholike and vniversall head of all Bishopes Albeit those BB. that succeeded Acatius at Constantinople opposed themselues against the ambition of the B. of Rome affirming that the supremacie belonged vnto their Church in asmuch as the Roman Emperours made Constantinople the chiefe seate of their Empire therfore they contended that the Bishop of Constantinople should be called vniuersall or Catholique Bishop or the B. of Bishops This ambicious cōtention cōtinued 112. yeeres vntill Antichrist began to wax stronger For Iohn B. of Cōstātinople caused Mauricius the Emperour to call togither the Greeke BB. vnto Cōstantinople to hold a Councel wherin it was decreed that the Bishop of Cōstantinople should bee called the Occumenicall and Catholique Bishop