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A08533 The picture of a Puritane: or, A relation of the opinions, qualities, and practises of the Anabaptists in Germanie, and of the Puritanes in England VVherein is firmely prooued, that the Puritanes doe resemble the Anabaptists, in aboue fourescore seuerall thinges. By Oliuer Ormerod, of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge. Wherunto is annexed a short treatise, entituled, Puritano-papismus: or a discouerie of Puritan-papisme. Ormerod, Oliver, 1580?-1626. 1605 (1605) STC 18852; ESTC S113478 77,758 124

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si●●ipsius verā mentem dian●i in et analogian And of the same iudgement are all other writer of note The Puritane Though all other writers bee of the same judgement yet it is to no purpose to tell me of them for they wil not mooue mee for say what you will against the Bretheren I will nearer beleeue that you can bring them within the compasse of Heresie The Protestant Yes and within the compasse of idolatrie too The Puritane I would gladly heare that The Protestant That obstinate Puritanes are Idolaters I trust to make it plaine and euident by this argument Those that worshippe their owne opinions conceites and fancies and yeelde not to the truth though neuer so plainly demonstrated are 〈◊〉 But obstinate Puritanes doe worshippe their owne opinions conceites and fancies and yeeld not to the truth though it hath beene plainely demonstrated vnto them therefore they are idolaters The Puritane I deny first your proposition The Protestant That it is Idolatrie to worshippe a mans owne opinions and not to yeelde to truth I prooue it by this speech of the Apostle c Coloss ● 5 couetousnes is idolatrie From which saying of his I dispute thus If the Apostle hold those to bee idolaters that did set their hearts vpon their ●i●ches and were so wedded vnto them as that no perswasion could bring them from the loue of thē the consequence is not to be rebuked that we inferre vpon it that we may as well tearme them idolaters that doe set their hearts vppon their opinions and are so wedded vnto them as that neyther the authoritie of sacred scriptures nor the iudgement of auncient Fathers 〈◊〉 the consent of late writers nor the good lawes of Christian Princes can driue them from them My proposition is also confirmed by the iudgement of the 〈◊〉 Fathers a 〈◊〉 in l. 1. 〈◊〉 i● Habac. cap. 5 〈◊〉 et 〈◊〉 saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 b Hieren in Dan. Cap. 3 Qui 〈◊〉 sum dogma 〈…〉 faci●nt et quantum in se 〈…〉 idolu● falsitatis c Hieron in Hier●m c ●2 Againe vs● 〈◊〉 in templ● Dei quae interpretatur ecclesia siue in 〈…〉 ponitur idolum quando 〈…〉 And in the pla●● 〈◊〉 quoted d Hieron in Habacu cap. 2 Si 〈…〉 credere veritati ●t 〈…〉 in 〈◊〉 studio perseuerare cong●●e 〈◊〉 discere sperat 〈…〉 et facit 〈…〉 Saint Austen also is of the same iudgement with Saint Hierom as appeareth in his booke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈…〉 it a 〈◊〉 and a bas●●●i●de of idolatry to worshippe a mans owne fancies then to worshippe the Sunne the Moone the Stars His vordes are these e Aug. de ver● relig cap. 38. Est alius deterior et inferior ●ul●us simulachrorum quo phantasmata sua colunt et quicquid 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 superbia veltimore cogitando imaginati fuerint religionis nomine obseruant With these auncient Fathers agree some of our best la●e writers f ● Bilson in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the true difference of Christian subiection part 1. page 30. A corrupt and vitious Religion saith a reuerend ●nd learned Bishoppe i● an inward and Ghostly worshippe of I 〈…〉 saith another learned 〈◊〉 to worshippe 〈…〉 not to yeelde to truth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so 〈…〉 To him consent●● Maister D. Sutcliffe in his challēge cap. 5. Perkins who preuenting a secret obiection saith thus h Perkins in his Booke intituled a warning against the idolatrie of the last times ●●●ge 15. It may be further said that false opinions conceiued of Christ 〈◊〉 not straight way 〈…〉 I 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hierome Euen to this 〈…〉 set vp in the house of God 〈◊〉 in the ●ear●● and soules of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 when a new Doctrine is d●uised Againe a false opinion is an idoll of falshood The 〈◊〉 to the Discipline of the Church haue they beene vanquished in open disputation The Protestant You haue heard I am sure of the late conference wherat our Princ● 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Emperour Constantine who as a Eus●b de ●it● Constantin lib. 1. cap 37. Eusebius recordeth shewed an excellent and especiall care towards the Church of Christ Iesus calling Councells of Bishops when any dissention 〈…〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by God not disdayning to be present and conferre with th●● that so he might the rather keepe them in Christian peace and who as the same writer b Eus●b de ●ita Cōstantini ● 3 cap. 13. testifieth marked aduisedly what euery man sayd helped eyther side disputing tempered such as kindled too fast reasoned my ●dly with each part and vndertooke ioyntly with them to search out the truth confirming their decrees with his seale least other Iudges Rulers should infringe them The Puritane I haue heard of the conference but I pray you what was the issue therof The Protestant Surely the Agents for the Millinary Plaintiffes were there vanquished in disputation and driuen to c See the 〈◊〉 of the conference confesse that their opinions were meere nouelties and new deuised fancies All which notwith-standing many of their Proselytes and followers doe still continue obstimate So that we may well say of them as Saint Austen said of the like p●●●ish fellowes in his time d August de baptis contr● donat lib 3 cap. ●2 mal●●nt peruersis vocibus veritati reluctari quam confessis erroribus paci restitu● God giue them grace to recant their ●rrours and not to shew themselues still like Pilate who would not alter any thing he had written but said that which I haue written Iohn 19 22 I haue written The 3. Dialogue VVherein is shewed that it doth not stand with equitie that some Ministers should bee bound to shew their 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 others be dispensed with The Protestant WELL ouer-taken Sir whither trauell you The Puritan● I trauell towards the Parliament The Protestant What are you one of the Burgess●s The Purita●● No I am a Minister The Protestant Are you a Minister why weare you not then a Priest cloake with sleeues as you are inioyned in the late Book● of 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 Ecclesiasticall I tooke you for one of the Burgesses because you differ not from them in ●abit The Puritane What reason is there that the fashion and 〈◊〉 of Ministers 〈◊〉 should bee different from other me●● The Protestant 〈◊〉 great reason 〈◊〉 asked his messengers who●e hee had sent to the God of Ekro● for ●racle of what 〈◊〉 and habit the man was that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and they answeared a 2. King ● ● he was an ●airie man 〈◊〉 girded with a girdle of leather about his ●oynes Which was a marke of knowledge enough to Ahaziah though they knew not his name It is Elijah the Thes●ite said hee Now as the Prophet Elijah did weare a different habite whereby hee was known from other men so should Ministers doe that when we meete them we may know them to bee Ministers