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A33770 Theophilus and Philodoxus, or, Several conferences between two friends the one a true son of the Church of England, the other faln off to the Church of Rome, concerning 1. praier in an unknown tongue, 2. the half communion, 3. the worshipping of images, 4. the invocation of saints / by Gilbert Coles. Coles, Gilbert, 1617-1676. 1674 (1674) Wing C5085; ESTC R27900 233,018 224

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