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A09881 A consideration of the papists reasons of state and religion, for toleration of poperie in England intimated in their supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, [and] the states of the present Parliament. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635. Supplication to the Kings most excellent Majestie. aut 1604 (1604) STC 20144; ESTC S105148 106,538 134

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Priest Huldrieus Bishop of Auspurge Ioannes Patricius Erigena Ansegisus the Abbot Berengarius Archdeacō of Angiers Aruulphus Archbishop of Lugdune Ioannes Sarisburueasis Arueldue Bishop of Bixta Petrus Bloix Petrus Waldo and all those famous men which were tearmed Waldenses Frederike the second Petrus de Vinea his Chancellor Bernard all these and infinite numbers more who are not recorded in Histories that held the faith of Iesus impugned the Papacie and opposed themselues against Antichrist and all his disciples 5 Also the Greeke Church cōtinually impugned Poperie and held a faith different from the Popish beliefe II. To the Consequence 1 If there had not been found THREE open adversaries in al the Christian world who in those Cētenaries impugned Popery yet doth not that inferre the truenes of Popish Religion Because it is written in the Revelation that GOD should stirre vp TWO witnesses to testifie the trueth against Antichrist Apoc. 11.3 and in the mouth of TWO or three witnesses every thing is established Num. 35.30 Dent. 17.6 Dent. 19.15 Matth. 18.16.2 Cor. 13.1.1 Tim. 5.19 2 It is written that Antichrist shal prosper for a time and prevaile against the Saintes yea that hee shall cause ALL both small great rich poore free and bond to receiue his marke Apoc. 13.16 No marvell therefore if there were not many found to impugne the Papacie especially seeing the Church had fled into the wildernesse into her place at that time Apoc. 12.14 Wherefore this paucitie of adversaries against Poperie is so far from proving of it to be true Religion as that it is a manifest demonstration that it is the Religion and pestiferous Doctrine of Antichrist Reason of Religion 8 8. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose chiefe professors and spreaders thereof to other Nations were alwaies of a knowne a wonderfull bely if you meane full of holes and filth witnes the holy Popes Sergius III. Joane VIII John XII Sergius 3. his bastard John XIII who was slaine in the very act of adultery Sixtur IV Paule III. Gregerie VIII and a great number more holy life and semblable death the protoparents of b Will they include the Christian religion in this ranke all other religions men of a much contrary note and we are sure by the testimony of Gods word that the good and bad trees are to bee knowne by their c And so are the Papistes For there were but six thousand yong childrens heads at ones found in a fish-pond within the grange of an Abber Hulderich in Epist ad Nicol. I. fruites Matth. 7.20 Resolution of the 8. Reason Popish religion is that vvhose Professers vvere alwaies of a knowne holy life and semblable death Ergo. Popish religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 WHat the * The Suppliants themselvs afterwards confesse the lives of their Professours and chief Rulers are very lewde and wicked in the 36. Reas of Religion life of Popish professours hath bin appeareth manifestly in the Catalogue of their Popes of Rome whereof some were bloody murderers some sorcerers nicromancers or coniurers some bawdes adulterers Sodomites some proude sacrilegious and craftie cousoners and others seditious rebelles traitours as is plainely declared by their owne writers vvhich because I have proved at large in my Booke de Antichriste I wil not heere repeate 2 As for their death that also appeareth in the same holy race whereof some died in the very act of adultery some swearing and blaspeming GOD some damning devoving themselues vnto the devil others thinking that there is neither God nor devil heaven nor hell nor no other l●fe after this as I haue also declared in that booke de Antichristo 3 I will not stand to relate particular examples in this general discourse If I shoulde speake of the death of Eccius Latemus Hofmaiter Gardiner notable professours of Papistrie and of the death of Francis Spiera a revoulter from the Protestantes religion it would make any mans haire to stand on end that heard it 4 The Papacy by vertue of the religiō which it professeth is the kingdome of sinne as I have proved at large in my Booke De Ecclesia Antichristi And therefore it is most certaine that within the communion of Popish Religion men can neither live well nor die well II. To the Consequence 1 But be their lives and their deaths what they may bee Religion must not bee measured by the lives of the Professours An heretike may liue an honest morall life as Pelagius is said to have done and a good Christiā may fall oftentimes as we reade of David and others 2. Sam. 11.4.15.17 2 A rotten and worme-eaten apple hanging vpon a good tree seeing that came not through the nature of the tree but by meanes of wormes birdes or some such accident ministreth not sufficient argument to prove that tree to bee an ill tree so the ill workes of Christians ought not to staine their holy religion For the corruptiō of their fruites commeth not from the nature of their religion which forbiddeth such fruites or workes but from themselues from their owne native and originall corruption 3 Yet the ill lives worse de●th of the Papistes are sufficient to condemne THEIR doctrine because they proceede from the nature and articles of their religion as shall be more manifest in the sequel 9. REASON OF RELIGION A religion to which the a Even so we see it prophecied of before Apoc. 17. that the Kinges of the earth should commit fornicatiō with the great whore and give their power cucto rity vnto the beast famousest Constantinus * Impudēt Papists that challenge all these Princes to bee theirs whereas very many of thē died before Popery ascēded from the pit of Hell an● manie also were the greatest enemies that the Pope or Papacy h●d Magnus Iavianus with aboue forty Emperours of the East Maiorianus Carolus Magnus with full neere fortie other Emperours of the West Emperours and (b) Clodoueus Childiberius with aboue three-score Kinges of Fraunce Ranimirus Sanctius with almost twenty other Kinges of Aragon Telagius Pasila with at least forty other Kings of Castile Alphonsus Sanctius with many moe Kinges of Portugall Geyza Stephanus with aboue thirty Kings of Hūgarie Besides the Kinges of Polonia Bohemia Denmarke Norway Suetheland Gothland Dalmatia Baioria Germania Alemānia Morauia Loraine Burgundy Prouince Lomberdy Italy Naples Sicily Sardinia Nauarre end the Kinges of Affricke as of AEthiopia Nubia others Likewise the Kings of Canaria Manicongus Benop●tama Angola Guinea Bentoninus Quilca Melinda Mozambique the Kinges of Asia as of Ciprus Armenia Hierusalē Tartaria and some Kinges of the Agarens and Saracens many Kinges of the Heruleans Iberians Alanes Abasgorians Lazorians Scithians Persians and others Kings of the world haue bowed their Crownes (c) As * A Begging of the question Constantinus Magnus Emperour Dagoberius Carolus S Iudovicus and other Kings of Fraunce Alphonsus Ranimirus 2. Alphonsus
is to bee admitted ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 IT is certaine that Princes do as it were flow into the harts of their subiects by Mercy Clemency and that Mercy and Truth preserve the King as Salomon saith Prov. 20.28 Mercy in ceasing from grievous exactions in releiving the poore and the oppresled and in vsing moderation in punishment Truth in keeping of his promises and covenants in preserving and due executing of his laws By these the Kings throne is established 2 But here must be observed the difference between true Mercy Clemency and preposterous lenity pusillanimity in sparing the wicked who should be severely punished Prov. 20.26 Awise Kingseattereth the wicked causeth the wheele to runne over thē Prov. 17.15 He that instifieth the wicked is an abomination to she Lord. Prov. 24.24 He that saith to the wicked Thou are righteous him shall the people eurse and the muliitude shall abhorre him v. 25. But to them that rebuke him shall bee pleasure and vpon them shall come the blessing of goodnesse 3 Preposterous mercy shewed vnto the wicked and disobedient is crueltie towards the good and loyall subiects Prov. 16.12 The throue is established by instice 4 If any be to be accounted wicked if any be pernicious vnto civill governement and the throne of Kinges it is the Idolatrous the seducing and tutbulent Papist of whom the Lord particularly saith Rewaràber as shee hath rewaràcà you c. Apoc. 18.6.7 II To the Consequence 1 The Cōsequence hath not the least coherence with the Antecedent wherefore it may iustly be denied 2 The love of Papists vnto the Magistrate is not absolute solute of conscience but for private respects and but during the Popes pleasure wherefore it is not much to bere garded 3 If it were to be regarded in it self yet is it not wore thie the least respect when question is made of toleratiō the mischiefe of this infinitely surpassing the commodity and profite of the former Reason of State 8 8. REASON OF STATE IN few words for that we are loath to be a A good excuse whereas indeed they are quite destitute of anie argumentes tedious to your Maiesty in multiplying of reasons beside the pleading of these and other like regardfull Motiue that might be alleadged which doe all b how directlie they stand for to ler ation the Answere shewath direct y stand for toleration we further thinke vnder your Maiesties correction that the permission of the liberty we intreate is neither in reason of State a thing c Most pernicious vnto the Stare hurtfull nor by the doctrine of Protestants d A thing cloane contra it to our doctrine vn awfull to be granted The first is cleare by the example of Germanit France Poland and other Countries where diuersitie of Religion is licenced by supreame authority the like e Non causa pro causa found peace wrought and established thereby as both make the said Dominions and Territories to florish and could n●uer though of laboured bee brought to passe by force of warre or bloud-shed The other like-wise is as litle doubtful if not better known he Protestants f Bold assertiōs but no proofes books their Pulpits their priuate writings Discourses sounding nothing more whilst they had not the Sword and Scepter on their side then that it was vnlawfull tyrannicall yea diabolicall Antichristianlike to punish any for matter of meere conscience faith religion And the fauour we sue for is but the benefite of that pofition which g Who be they wherefore are they not named they held for most true and scripturall so that if they should now departe from that doctrine they most needes giue the world to see that either then they did wittingly mainetaine the pofition against trueth only to serue their owne h This is iust your practise as this time in supplicating for soleration being a point of doctrine against the streame and currens of your owne men turne withall an ingraven blemish or generally erred in that point of doctrine a blot of no lesse discredit vnto them which breaching clemencie did most recommende gaue greatest increase to their religion And if the Petition we prostrate and doe most uppliantly begge of your Maiesty be neither preiudicial to matter of Stat nor repugnant to the doctrine of the Religion established and regnant in the kingdome as the proofes afore-going l Maine things seeme which are non and so doe those proofes you speake of for indeed they are no proofes 〈◊〉 all seeme to make plaine wee hope there is no other exception that can iustly impeach and many severall respects that may much further the obtaining of our request at your Graces hands Resolution of the 8. Reason Toleration of Popish Religion is neither in Reason of State hursfull as is cleare by the example of Germanie France Poland and other Countries where diversitie of Religion is licensed by supreame auctority nor by the doctrine of the Protestants vnlawfull to be granted Ergo Toleration is not to be deuyed ANSWERE I To the Antecedent THe Antecedent is notoriously false for it is both pernicious vnto the State and also contrary vnto the doctrine of Christ which we professe 2 FIRST it is not only pernicious but also the very overthrow and ruine of the State I Because it draweth GODS curse and provoketh his wrath against the same subiecting it to male diction The Prophets Apostles teach vs that no kingdom no State can prosper no Prince no Potentate no people can be wise or blessed in their government but by honoring and obeying almighty God in such sort as hee hath appointed VVhich doctrine oftentimes is repeated in the lawe wherein it is declared vnto the people of GOD that this should be their wisedome with all nations which should say swely this only is a wise and a politique people if they kept without adding or diminishing all the preceptes vvhich GOD commanded The promise of blessings vnto the obedient and the threatning of curses vnto the disobedient with taking heaven and earth to witnesse that they should finde it so in the end doth plainely testifie that such religion must needes be good for the establishing and prospering a Common-weale which the Lord himselfe hath left vnto vs and contrary wise that no false service of him can be good for any State but that it continually provoketh the curse and indignation of GOD against it Deut. 28. Deut. 30.19 Therefore was the King commanded to take a coppy of the law to haue it by him and to read in it all the daies of his life that he might learne to feare the Lord his God to obserue all his words and statutes by doing of thē that his minde might not be lift vp aboue his brethren nor he depart from the law to the right hand or to the left that he might prolong his daies in his kingdome his sonnes in the midst of Israel
depth of all divinity and that very excellently by the graunt of our adversaries themselues could so mainely and contradictorily erre in matters of lesse difficulty as are the points controverted No no it cannot iustly be so conceived but rather that the infinite providence goodnes of almighty God because he would not haue so sacriligious a conceit harboured against the principall Doctors of the Church hath in every of their liues deaths miraculously attested the contrary if so much credit at least may be given to the written liues of Saints compiled by venerable personage receiued by many ages as there is giuē to the relatiō of † The he is much more credit to be given vnto these thē vnto the former For these simplie and plainely delivered vnto posterity the truth of things done in civill politike affaires But they by fabulous reportes of lying miracles laboured to establish a newe Gospell conirarie vnto the Gospell of Iesus Christ Plutarchi liues or Caesars Commentaries S. a Jn vita S. Ambrosij Paulinus reporteth that S. e If the Suppliants did not intend to produce a new Gospell vnder pretence of the Fathers writings what needed these subsequent legendarie lies Ambrose being on a certaine time in Rome was invited by a noble woman there to come say Masse in her house who yeelding to the request an other woman sicke of the palsey vnderstanding thereof caused anon her selfe to be brought in a chaire into the roome where S. Ambrose was kissing his garments presently therewith recovered her health the perfect vse of her limbs Againe the same b Ibidem author recordeth that Iustina wife to Valentinian the Emperor hyring a murtherer to kil S. ambrose for the exceeding hatred shee bare vnto him who comming into his chamber and listing vp his arme with his sword drawne to giue him his death incōtinent his arme waxed so stiffe and benummed that he could neather strike therewith nor moue the same but in confessing which was no lesse miraculous who employed him in so outragious a fact the vse of his arme presently returned and he became as nimble therein as ever before Other proofes of Gods special loue towards this Saint might be alledged as c Ex Panlino 2. hist Eccle. Ruffini libro ca. 11. Severo Sulpitio in vi●ta B. Marini his miraculous election to the Bishoprick of Millan his long extasie with which he was taken at the altar whē S. Martin Bishop of Turon dyed his prediction of the day of his death before he fell sicke the three visions or admonishments given by the voice of God himselfe to Honoratus Bishop of Vercella for his repaire to the said Saint when he lay a dying for ministring vnto him his last Viaticum the body of our Lord These wee say might be alleadged for testimony of his holynes Neuerthelesse wee will content our selues with the rehearsall onely of that miracle which d Vbi supra Paulinus mētioneth of an obstinate Arian who being present at a sermon of S. Ambrose saw and was thereupon cōverted an Angel to stand at his eare whilst he was preaching and appeared to suggest vnto him the words he spake to the people All which are evident argumentes of the Saint true faith his peculiar favor with God and of the vndoubted verity of his doctrine Touching S. Hierom although both the ioint censure of the a Sub Innocētio 1. ann Chr. 402 Milevitane Counce●l consisting of 59. Bishops whereof S. Augustine was one giving him the attribute Holie in his life time and and the b In dicreto de apocryphis scripturis circiter annum Christi 1495. testificat●ō of S Gelasius 〈◊〉 7● other Bishops in ●ession with him surnaming him blessed most blessed after his death be argument sufficient to proue his sound ●ai●h and holines as also that our Sauiour most comfortably appeared vnto him in the houre of his death as Marianus Victorius and other writers of his life affirme Yet because we desire to be more full in this point we thinke it necessary hauing choise of miracles to recite a few of many S Hierome c Eusebius Cremonensis discipulus B. H eron in epist demort eiu● ad Damasum Portuense episcop Habetur in calce Tom 9. credi●ur esse eiusdem ●este Censura Reati ni episcopi Amorini in eundem Tomum drawing neere to his end the blessed Sacrament of the Altar was brought vnto him which hauing receiued and holding his armes a crosse over his breast saide the Hymne of holy Simeon presently as that was ended there appeared so glorious a light in the ●oome where he lay as the exceeding brightnes and splendor therof piercing dozeling the beholders eies none that were present could any while endure to looke theron which continuing some space companies of Angels were seene odoriferous smels felte and a voice heard saying Come my beloved it is time that thou receiue thy reward for thy labours manifold sustained in my cause Being deade the blinde deafe dumbe sicke were d Ibidem healed some b● touching some by kissing his body Likewi●e the possessed brought in presence of the corpes the dev●ls going out of them cried e Ibidem Holy Hierome why doest thou thus grievously tor●ient vs thou wert alwaies our scourge both living and now deade What neede more rec●tals God seemed so wonderfully tender and ●●alous of his seruan●s fame and honor as f Ibidem when a certaine Heretike enraged with e●uy against the w●rking of the foresaid miracles w●●hing that the body were burnt himselfe was p●esēciy by fire descending ●r●m heauen con●●med to ashes wherevpon many other infected with the same here he were perfectly conue●●ed † Vere wōder fu●l if they be 〈◊〉 Wonderfull things but they are saints that report them saints that wrought thē * ●●ad ●ooles th●● beleeve them g P● 67. ve 36. God is admirable in his Sainies We haue beene long in the Narratio is precedent wherefore our briefenes in th● two that ●ollow must be the greater Possidius Bishop and disc●ple of S Augustine who ●●ued almost a Cap. vlt de vira Augustin fo●ty yeeres faindiarly with him 〈◊〉 himselfe writeth ●ffirme● b Cap 29. ibid. that he knew S. Augu●●ine both when he was Priest and after he was Bishop to haue being absent expelled diuels from out the p●ssessed by meanes of his praiers teares for them And that in his death-bed he c Cap. eodem cured a sicke man by laying his hands vpon him whom God by vision had commaunded to repaire to that end vnto him By which miracle hi● divine goodnesse intended no doubt as it were with his own hand seale to testifie to the world and all posteritie the holynesse of his servant and the truth and pietie of the doctrine he had taught Concerning S. Gregorie his d Johan Diacontis lib. 2. ca. 22.
their Emperour Basilius Macedo sent vnto thē to teach them the Christian Catholike faith by what powerfull and divine signe he would witnesse the truth of his doctrine The signe was that if the booke wherin the said doctrine was written should not burne being cast into the fire then they al with one accord would presently beleeue and receiue his doctrine A great fire was made the Priest putting the book which was the holy Bible into the midst therof said with a lowd voice Glorifica nomen tuum Christe Deus Christ our God glorifie thy holy name The flames gaue place to the booke and the booke lay so long in the fire as the people themselues thought meete and when it was taken out it appeared sound whole no one leafe either scorched or blemished In the tenth age the Polonians by l Cromerus alij de reb Polonorū 965. Aegidius Tuseulanus f Adamus l 2. c 78.10.11 Ditmarus chron lib. 2.971 and others sent by Pope John the 13. The Selavonians by g A.D. 989 h Cartuitias in vita Steph. Hungar. reg c. 1.2 3. Aeneas Sylvius Hist Bohem. cap l 16. S. Adelbert and the Hungarians by i Aen●as Sylvius another Adelbert surnamed their Apostle In the eleventh age the k A. D. 1106. Bozius lib 4 cap. 5. Vindians and multitudes of Prussians be side the reclaiming of the lapsed l Circiter A D. 1150. Ranulph l. 4 c. 22 Hungarians In the twelfth age the Pomeranians the Norvegians by Nicholas an English Moncke employed in that holy worke by Pope Eugenius the third The which Nicholas was afterward chosen Pope of Rome and named Hadrian the south and gaue the dominion of Ireland to King Hen●● 2 wi●h co●driō of propagating the Christian faith there Stowin anno 7. Henrici 2. of preserving the rights of the Church entire and inviolated and of paying a yeerely pension of a penny for every house in the Kingdome In the 13. age the a Anno Dom. 12 5. Li●onians by b Cran●zius lib 7 cap. 13. 〈◊〉 Medardes the c Anno Dom. 1230. L●tuanians by d Martinus Chromer lib. 8. the knightes of S. Marie the e Anno Dom. 1270. Sabellicus Guilielmus de Nangiaco Emperour Cassanes with it numerable Tar●arians In the fouretenth age f Anno Dom. 1300. Niceph. Gregor Histor lib. 4. Azatines Emperour of the Turkes the Isles of the Canaries the g An. Dom. 1344 B●zius lib 4 cap. 5. revolted Lituanians the h Anno Dom 1346 Sebastianus Munsterus in Cosmograph Cumans the Bosnians the Lipnensians the Patrianians other Sclavonian nations by ●ope Clement the 6. and Leves king of Hungary In the sifteenth age the i Anno Dom 1350 Michael Rit lib. 2. Bonfin deca 2. lib. 10. Same getians the kingdomes of Bentonine Guinea Angola and k Anno Dom. 14●2 Martin Chrom li 18. Congo In the sixteenth last age to speake ingenerall without descending to any particulars more provinces Nations and numbers of rich Kingdomes and Empires were brought to the knowledge of Christ embracing the Catholike Romane fa●th by the labors of the g Iudas and other reprobates may preach the Gospel yea worke miracles in Christs name Mat. 7.22 Dominican and Franciscan Friers and the Fathers of the societ●e of Iesus God attesting his cause truth by several miracles then all Christendome twice yea perhaps more then thrice told contained before which beside the record of all Cosmographies and Histories of this subiect may plainly be demonstrated in that before the last Centenarie or not many yeeres different the Christian Religion extended not it selfe beyond the river Ganges Eastward and the Isles of the Canaries in the West which scope and space is counted no more then of an hundred twenty degrees but the circuite of the world which is now sailed every or most where portes of Christians found therin is of three hundred and three score degrees wh●ch is full out thrice as much The fewe precedents most renowned Prince collected out of many that might be added do very cleerely shew not only that the aboue rehearsed end other prophecies promises of God of dilating the place of his Tentes and of spreading out the curtaines of his Tabernacle Esa 54.2 that is the boundes of his Church Christs Spouse and tempora Kingdome are to the e●e fulfilled in the encreasing societies and continuance of h Begging of the question our religion but that also the Word of wisedome and the Word of knowledge graces given by the t●st●monies of saint Paule 1 Cor. 12 8. in the Church by the holy Ghost to the profit of others haue their residences in the l Proue that teache●s of ●ur religion and ●hat in how eminent and most powerfull man●●er the conversion of the former Nations beareth most apparant witnesse ●or there can be no doubt made but that some if not the most part of the foresaide Nations and sorts of people were of excellent dexterity and iudgment therefore very vnlike that they were ledde away especially from the religion and ri●es they were bred borne in without store of solide substantiall reasons mouing them therevnto And it is as little questionable whether some of them were not also of a knotty vntractable or vntameable nature of a prowde obstinate and hawty disposition drowned in vncleanes and delighting in the varieties of liberty lets and strongest impeachments of embracing the discipline purenes austerity of our k Popish Antichristian superstition Christian Catholike religiō and the conquering of them a plaine demonstration that their Coverters all stout professours of the Romane religion taught that doctrine which the Prophet calleth a law converting soules and the Apostle the liuely and forcible word more piercing then anie two edged sword Ps 18.8 Heb. 4.12 Likewise that they fought not with the leather sheath the letter onely of Scripture but with the letter true sense which onely is the Sword of the spirit that reacheth vnto the division of the soule Eph. 6 17 Heb. 4 12. The bright Candel Luk. 11.37 that illuminateth those that sit in darknes Luk. 1.79 And the seede to which God promiseth to giveraine for the rich fructifying thereof Esa 30.23 And finally that they were also true imitators of the Apostles in doctrine and office as becomming Fishers of men Matth 4 16 Mark 1.17 drawing them out of the Sea of infidelity into the harbour of Christianity a badge or attribute giuen to the Apostles and verified in none but in Catholike teachers Neither did thē nor doth now the word of wisdome knowledge 1 Cor 12 8. a gift proper to Gods Church worke in our Catholike teachers vpon Infidels onely but the same extended and still extendeth his power divine ●fficacie to the bringing forth of as rare or more rare effectes vpon beleeving Christians namely in exciting men and women of
not a propertie belonging vnto the Church of God I We BELEEVE the holy Catholike Church But faith is the evidēce of things which are NOT SEENE Heb. 11 II In the visible Church there are many Hypocrites but God only knoweth who are such De occultis non iudicat Ecclesia And Christ ONLY knoweth who are his Ioh. 10.2 Tim. 2. III By examples in the holy Scriptures the Church is described to be invisible 2. Chron. 15.3.4 Now for a long season Israel hath bin without the true God and without Priest to teach and without law But whosoever returned in his affliction to the Lord God of Israel and sought him he was found of them At this time Christ was not without his spouse but albeit the Ministry was corrupted hee had his invisible Church 1. King 19.18 I leaue seaven thousand in Israel that haue not bowed the knees to Baal This company was not seene with corporall eies And in the time of Christs cōming GOD had his invisible Church Marie Ioseph Zacharias Elizabeth the wise men that came from the East Simecon Anna c albeit publike Ministery was corrupted IV Paule saith Rom. 2.28.29 He is not a Iew which is one outward neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh But he is a Iew which is one within and the circumcision it of the heart in the spirite not in the letter whose praise is not of men but OF GOD. 2 Those places of Scriptures which the Suppliant quote proue only the durance holynes integrity good workes of the Church not the visibility thereof vnto all persons at all times 4 As for the suppliants Dilemma The vnknowne companie did either professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the false Church or they did not If they did professe their faith and refuse to communicate with the other thē was it not invisible If they did not professe their faith nor refuse to communicate with the false Church they could not be the true Church c. I answere 4 I. If they did not professe their faith c they could not be the true Church Here the Suppliants meane publike profession and open refusall we deny this Position indeed they can never proue it By their reason this is a good argumēt Those seaven thousands which bowed not their knees vnto Ball either professed their faith or did not If they did professe it how could not Elias see them If they did not professe it then they were not the true Church and yet who seeth not the vanity of it 5 II. They adde That vnknowne company cōmunicated with the false Church I marvel how the Suppliants know this Go to let vs vrge them with a Dilemma seeing they affect such kind of arguing so much I that company was vnknowne hovv know they what they did If they were not vnknowne but professed openly then what haue they to obiect 6 The Christian Reader may read in the 8. and 9. Chap. of the Prophecie of Ezechiel concerning those faithfull people that mourned and cryed for the abominations that were committed in Hierusalem how the Lord cōmaunded to set a marke on their forheads least they should perish learne thence that the Lorde wanteth no meanes to vindicate and saue his Church from destruction even in time of greatest calamity Reason of Religion 32 32. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion in whose largenes spreading amplitude over the whole world the predictions and promise of our Saviour are a These predictions are not verified in Popery but in true Christianitie verified not can take their truth and verification in any other sect or doctrine that ever was or is at this day on earth This Gospell of the kingdome saith our Saviour shall bee preached in the whole worlde for a testimony to all Nations Mat. 24.14 And by the pen of another Evangelist That penance shoulde be preached in his Name and remission of sinnes vnto all Nations Luk 24 47. And our Lord also compared this his Gospell to a Mustard seede one of the least of all seeds in the beginning but whē it is growne it maketh great boughes so that the birds of the aire that is as Expositors interprete the greatest Powers and the most wise of the world come and dwell vnder the shadow thereof Mat. 13.31 Mark 4 32. making their residence happynesse and rest therein A resemblance predictions which cannot agree or fall in with any b An evident vntruth other religion saue only with the Catholike Romane Religion and with this very fully as the particulars precedent and subsequent doe cleerely demonstrate Resolution of the 32. Reason Popish Religion is that which is spread over all the world Ergo Popish Religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 THis reason is the very same with the 29. and is there answered 2 Those predictions which the Suppliants speake of doe belong only vnto our Church For wee professe that very same doctrin which the Apostles preached vnto the whole world Many Kings great Powers and infinite Wise mē are professours of our Religion Yea our religion at this instant is much more diffused abroad then Popery is For we see that most kingdomes and countries in Christendome haue shaken of the yoke of Popery yea there is no Province nor Citty in Europe but there are therein very many who are addicted vnto the Gospell of Christ disclaime Popery and professe the same religion that we doe Reason of Religion 33 33. REASON OF RELIGION A Religiō that hath alwaies had as the Apostle assureth Gods church should ever haue yeelding also fowre weighty causes of the same a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne a Not Popes Cardinals Pastors and Doctors to the consummation of the Saints the first cause vnto the worke of the ministery the second cause vnto the edifying of the body of Christ the thirde cause that now we be not children wavering and caried about with every winde of doctrine the fourth cause and this vntill wee meete all into the vnity of faith that is to the worlds end Which successiue eve●●ontinuing duration of Pastors and Doctors the same being also promised before to the true Christian Church by severall a Psal 88.31 sequ Esa 59.20 21. Ierem 31.31 sequ Ezech 37.25 Prophets and so greatly materiall in it selfe as without it there can be (b) False See the answere no Church as both b Lib. 4 epist 9. S. Cyprian and c Lib. contr Luciferian S. Hierom doe absolutely affirme hath not nor can bee ever proved to haue beene fulfilled in any other Church saue only in the Catholike Romane Church and in it most apparantly demonstrable by the Ecclesiasticall histories of all ages and by the shorte space or rather momentary blast of time that al other Religions compared with ours haue indured Resolution of the 33. Reason Popish Religion hath alwaies had a perpetuall visible continuance of knowne Pastours and Doctors