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A01716 A dialogue concerning witches and witchcraftes In which is laide open how craftely the Diuell deceiueth not onely the witches but many other and so leadeth them awrie into many great errours. By George Giffard minister of Gods word in Maldon. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1593 (1593) STC 11850; ESTC S105690 66,559 100

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I heare how he doth vse me In trueth husband my stomacke did so rise against her that I coulde haue found in my heart to haue flowen vpon her and scratched her but that I feared she would be too strong for me It is a lustie olde queane I wished that the good wife R. had bene with me I pray you good husbande let me intreat you to goe to that same good woman you may ride thither in halfe a day Sam. Wife I pray theé be content I haue intreated this mine olde friend to reason with M. B. for he tels mee that we be in a verie foule errour M. B. I suppose so farre as my learning and capacitie doe extend that small reasoning may serue The worde of God doeth shew plainlie that there be witches commaundeth they should be put to death Experience hath taught too too manie what harmes they doe And if anie haue the gift to minister help against them shall we refuse it Shall we not drinke when we are a thirst Shall wee not warme vs when wee are a colde It is pitie that anie man should open his mouth anie way to defend them their impietie is so great Dan. For my part I go not about to defend witches I denie not but that the deuill worketh by them And that they ought to be put to death We ought also to seeke remedie against them but as I told my friend the deuil doth bewitch men by meanes of these witches and lead them from God euen to follow himself to offer sacrifice vnto him to worship him to obey his wil to commit manie grieuous sinnes and to be drowned in manifold errours M. B. If you haue this meaning that witches and sorcerers ar bewitched by the deuil that they forsake God and follow him that they worship and obey him and doe sacrifice vnto him and commit manie hainous sinnes I agreé with you for I tak it they euen vow themselues to the deuill or els he would not be so readie to doe them seruice But if you mean that such as seek remedie against them wold haue them rooted out be so seduced and mis-led by the deuill as you speake I say your speach is rash and foolish for they that be earnest against witches be earnest against the deuil they defie the deuil they seek to resist him and to roote out his instruments Now if you were a man that had any learning you should seé that contraries cannot be in the same subiect at one instant in the same part and in the same respect how then can a man hate the deuill defie the deuill and his workes and yet follow him at one time Dan. I know that witches and coniurers are seduced and become the vassals of Satan they be his seruants and not he theirs as you speake But I mean indeed that multitudes are seduced and led from God to follow the deuil by means of witches coniurers yea I speak it of those not which are caried of a godlie zeale but of a blinde rage and mad furie against them If I speake this rashlie and foolishlie as you say and your self learned as you boast and I vnlearned I shall be the more easilie ouerthrowne But I speake so truly and can so well iustifie all that I haue said by the word of God that your learning and best skill shall not be able to disprooue the same Your logicke at the first doth faile you Not that contraries can be in the same subiect at the same instant in the same part and in the same respect But herein you are vtterly blinde and deceiued that you name contraries and take it that the first of them as namelie to hate the deuill to defie him and his workes are in them when as indeed they are in them but in imagination For if men say and think they defie the deuill and his workes and through blindnes and infidelitie are euen bewitched and seduced to followe the deuill and to do his will doth their speach and blinde imagination make the things indeed to be in them What if a poore begger woman say and thinke that she is a Queéne is she therfore no begger begging still her bread or is she rid of her lice M. B. Nay if you iudge I haue done If men be earnest against the deuill and defie him and all his workes are you to iudge of their conscience and to say they defie him but in imagination and follow him and worship him in deede is not God alone the iudge ouer mens hearts Againe do you compare those that are in their right mind with such as be mad or out of their wits Dan. I knowe that God alone is the searcher of the heart touching the thinges which lie hid in secrete But where things are open and manifest the tree is known by the fruits so far as we may goe As if a man professe the faith of Iesus Christ soundlie in all pointes according to the word of God and doth frame his life thereafter in doing good workes it is verie wicked for anie man to iudge of him that he is an hypocrite and that he doth all of vaine glorie And yet it may be that the Lord who discerneth the secrete intents of the heart seeth indeed that he is but an hypocrite On the contrarie parte where a man professeth in wordes that he doeth defie the deuill and all his workes and yet when it commeth to the triall of Gods word hee is found to be seduced and wrapped in blinde errours of the deuill in infidelitie and euill works in which he fulfilleth the will of Satan and honoureth him in the place of God Shal we say that this is a good man because of his words and imagination that he defieth the deuill and his works Wo be to them that cal good euil and euil good Esa. 5. We may say they are in bad case except they repent and turne from following Satan But yet I say that a faithful man may erre in some of these thinges through weaknesse of faith and through ignorance And therefore here men may not be too rash in iudgment And now wheras you find fault that I make comparison between such as be mad and those that be in their right mind it is your ignorāce which do not consider that ther be two kinds of madnes or being out of their right mind the one for matters of this worlde the other for thinges spirituall and heauenlie There bee which are in their wittes for this worlde which touching spirituall things are as farre awrie in their imaginations as the poore beggar which thinketh she is a goodlie queene Doth not the holie Apostle say that because men receiue not the loue of the truth God wil send them strong delusion to beleeue lies 2. Thess. 2. And what is that but that Satan shall seduce illude and bewitch their minds to make them beleeue that they worshippe and follow God when they worship and follow him M. B Doe