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A37412 A true & faithful relation of what passed for many yeers between Dr. John Dee ... and some spirits tending ... to a general alteration of most states and kingdomes in the world : his private conferences with Rodolphe, Emperor of Germany, Stephen, K. of Poland, and divers other princes about it ... : as also the letters of sundry great men and princes ... to the said D. Dee / out of the original copy written with Dr. Dees own hand, kept in the library of Sir Tho. Cotton, Kt. Baronet ; with a preface confirming the reality (as to the point of spirits) of this relation ... by Meric Casaubon ... Dee, John, 1527-1608.; Casaubon, Meric, 1599-1671.; Kelly, Edward, 1555-1595. 1659 (1659) Wing D811; ESTC R11048 632,551 486

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say somewhat to the same purpose not of that Author or his book which he judgeth any thing but of the ground upon which he builded which we shall find to be the same upon which others also that deny Spirits have gone upon But we will go Methodically to work and take every thing in order as we have proposed in the objections First We said The world was full of Imposture It is granted of Impostors and Impostures But what then shall the conclusion be That 〈◊〉 there is no truth in the world or at least not to be attained unto by mortal man Truly many books of old have been written to that effect Sextus 〈◊〉 is yet extant a very learned book it cannot be denied and of excellent use for the understanding of ancient Authors Phylosophers especially I could name some Christians also by profession men of great learning that have gone very far that way But this will not be granted by some I am sure that are or have been thought great oppugners of the common opinion about Witches and Spirits some Physicians I mean and Naturalists by their profession But may not we argue as plausibly against that which they professe as they have done or can do against Spirits and Apparitions We would be loath to make so long a digression we have had occasion elsewhere to say somewhat to this purpose and they that will be so curious may see what hath been written by Cornel. Agrippa who is very large upon this subject about it not to name any others It is not yet a full twelve-moneth that a friend of mine a Gentleman of quality brought his Lady to London some 60 miles and upwards from his ordinary dwelling to have the advice of Physicians about his wife a very Virtuous and Religious Lady troubled with a weak stomack and ill digestion which caused 〈◊〉 symptoms I think he had the advice of no lesse then a dozen first and last I am sure he named unto me five or six of the chiefest in Credit and practice that the Town affordeth Not one of them did agree in their opinions either concerning the Cause or the means to be used for a Cure So that the Gentleman went away more unsatisfied then he came What he did I knovv not I knovv vvhat some men vvould have inferred upon this Yet I for my part for the benefit that I have received by it and the effects that I have seen of it both upon my self and others in my life-time upon several occasions where learned Artists not Empiricks have been employed though all the world should be of another opinion I think my self bound to honour as the profession so all Learned Ingenious Professors of it and I make no question but the worst of Agrippa's objections by any man of competent judgment and experience may easily be answered I say therefore that as in other things of the world so in matters of Spirits and Apparitions though lyable to much error and imposture yet it doth not follow but there may be reality of truth and certainty discernable unto them that will take the pains to search things unto the bottom where truth commonly is to be found and are naturally endowed with competent judgments to discern between specious arguments and solidity of truth But this proveth nothing No but the removing of this common objection may dispose the Reader I hope to consider of what we have to say with lesse prejudice And that shall be our next task what we have to say for Spirits c. before we come to particular Objections Wherein neverthelesse I will be no longcr then I must at this time because I shall have a more proper place in two several Tractates the one whereof hath been a long time in loose notes and papers not yet digested to wit my Second Part of Enthusiasme the other in my head yet wholly but in better readinesse to be brought to light because of later conception to wit A Discourse of Credulity and Incredulity in things Natural Civil and Divine or Theological We shall meet there with many cases not so necessary here to be spoken of which will help very much to clear this business ¶ But here I say first of all It is a Maxim of Aristotle's the great Oracle of Nature which many have taken notice of and applyed to their several purposes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That which is generally believed is most likely to be true Who also in another place of the same book doth approve the saying of Hesiod 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Now if any opinion whereof question is made can justly pretend to a general assent and consent of all people places ages of the world I think nay I know and it will be proved that this of Witches Spirits and Apparitions may I do not know scarce any ancient book extant of Philosopher or Historian the Writings of professed Epicureans excepted of Aristotle we shall give an account by and by but doth afford some pregnant relation testimony or passage to the confirmation of this truth I dare say should a man collect the relations and testimonies out of several Authors and books that are come to our knowledge within the compasse of two thousand years of Authors well accounted of generally and vvhose testimonies Historians especially vve receive in other things a man might make a book of the biggest size and form that ordinary books vvhich vve call Folioes are It is true many Authors may vvrite one thing vvhich may prove false as the famous history of the Phenix perchance or some such but upon examination it vvill appear that those many take all from one or tvvo at the most vvho first delivered it They add nothing in confirmation of their ovvn knovvledg or experience But here it is quite othervvise those many Authors that I speak of Historians especially of several ages they tell us different things that hapned in their own times in divers places of the world and of many of them we may say they were such as knew little of former books or stories of other Nations but their own Within these 200 years the world we know by the benefit of Navigation hath been more open and known then before yea a great part of the world discovered that was not known before I have read many books the best I could meet with in several Languages of divers Voyages into all parts of the world I have conversed with many Travellers whom I judged sober and discreet I never read any book of that argument nor yet met with man that I have had the opportunity to confer with but was able of his own knowledg to say somewhat whereby my belief of these things might be confirmed Now for the Epicureans of all Philosophers the most inconsiderable in matters of knowledg as former ages have described them no man need to wonder if they denyed those things which by the solemn engagement of their Sect they were bound and resolved notwithstanding
is his strength that hath armed himself with it In the Serpents belly there is nothing clean neither with unhonest persons ungodly I mean is there any pure society Light agreeth not with Darknesse nor vertue with vice therefore be you of one and in one that you may agree and have the reward of one Behold it is said I will part bounds between the just and the unjust I will suffer the Enemy to sowe discord to the intent that those that are my people may be separated and have a dwelling by themselves Peruse the Scripture it is alwayes seen that the Spirit of God forceth Satan in spight of his head to separate the evil from the good by discord and herein the Devil worketh against himself We good Angels keep secret the Mysteries of God things that are to come we alwayes keep close with this exception The form of our Commandment Truth it is that a Commission is granted not onely to enquire of thee but also to attach thee and that by the Council If he go down he shall be attached therefore tempt not God Δ. But if he tarry here and his being here so known as it is it is likely that he shall be attached here to my no small grief or disgrace What is your counsel herein She said ..... It is written misery shall not enter the doors of him whom the Highest hath magnified DIXIT DICO DICTUM SIT The world shall never prevaile against you Δ. In respect of the Book the Scrowl and the Powder to be communicated What is your judgement or mind seeing when he was coming from Islington with them he was threatned to be pulled in pieces if he came with them to me ..... All that is spoken of is in very deed vanity The book may be used to a good purpose They were wicked ones But as these things are the least part of this action so are they not much to be looked after Δ. As concerning the Powder I beseech you what is your knowledge of it ..... It is a Branch of Natures life It is appointed for a time and to a purpose Δ. As concerning the earthes of the Eleven places being with expedition ..... What is now to be done with them ..... It was a foresight of God if they had been there now they had utterly perished Δ. O Jesus that is a marvellous thing ..... Helas that is nothing Δ. By nature they could not have perished in so short time ..... I have said E. K. Tell us your name ..... If you will remember my counsel I will tell you my name E. K. Your counsel was by piece-meale told me that I cannot remember it but in general ..... You do and have and I am almost HATH Δ. I understand you to be AT H in sigillo Emeth AT H ..... So am I in the number of Gods Elect. Δ. Shall not I make meanes to Mr. Richard Young as one of the higher Commissioners to do my companion here some good AT H ..... Trouble your self when you need E. K. She spake this somewhat sharply Get your friends to fignifie down good report of you Come not there in many years Δ. As concerning my writing of the holy Book how shall I do by reason of the perfect writing it in the Due Characters seeing many words are written so as the pronunciation and the Orthographie do hardly seem to agree AT H ..... You shall have a School-master sufficient to read unto you Δ. Where shall I begin AT H ..... Let him lead you to that who is within you Δ. As concerning Isabel Lister who is vext of a wicked spirit how well have I executed that which was prescribed me or how well doth it work AT H ..... Friend It is not of my charge Remember the true path that leadeth unto true honour where there sitteth a True and Just GOD who grant you his Direction and establishment of perfect life Δ Amen Amen Amen E. K. She is gone Junii 9. a Meridie hera 5. Δ. Very long I prayed in my Oratory and at my Deske to have answer or resolutions of divers doubts which I had noted in a paper and which doubts I read over distinctly they concerned the preparation of things about the Table of practice and other things above my Lamin and Stone but answer came none neither in the Stone did any thing appear no not the Golden Curtain but the Stone was of his natural Diaphanitie But I held on in pittiful manner to request some advertisement if for any our trespasses or offences this unlooked for alteration from former dealing had hapned c. At length a voice came from behind E. K. over his head and said thus A voyce ..... The judgements of our God are most profound and hard in the understanding of man There is silence above let there therefore be patience amongst you I have said Δ. Upon this answer I began to discourse of divers causes of this silence and divers manners of silences and in the end I became in a great and sorrowfull heavinesse and fear of the wrath or displeasure of God conceived for some our misbehaviour towards him since our last dealing whereupon I prayed long at my Desk standing for mercy comfort counsel and some exposition of the former sentence After a long time thus passing there appeared one in the very top of the frame of the shew-stone much like Michael Who said ..... Write for I must be gone Silence there is in heaven for the Governours of the earth are now before the Lord the doings of their seats are now disclosed every thing is NOTED For that God will be righteous in all his doings There is not this day any one that governeth the people upon earth but his government is disclosed and his government is set open and his faults revealed They without number cry Lord let thy vengeance come The earth sayeth Be it so Sathan is before the Lord He hath garnished himself with Garlands as a Conquerour and what he saith is wonderfull Therefore shall the Lord open his mouth and curse the earth and all living creatures For iniquity hath gotten the upper hand Publickly the States of mankinde in the world are condemned We are all silent and ready with our Viols to powre the wrath of God upon them when he saith BE IT SO. Therefore be you patient For our patience in an universal silence We look for the mouth of Justice But L O The Lord saith unto the Lord lift up thy eyes O God Behold the Dignity of thy workmanship yet suffer for awhile I have a people that will forsake their cruelty and put off their Garments that stink of abomination in whom thy name shall be magnified and our glory in heaven more exalted But as thou wilt so be it Behold I speak in body because I tremble as at the force of thy great indignation Notwithstanding we will what
ground 5 HLESMOC a Circle Com 〈◊〉 4 RIZ I am Zir 3 DAIP your God Pi ad He kisseth the ground He setteth his hands on the ground 2 OHOG saith Goho 1 AMCIM behold Mic ma. Nal. ...... This is all Δ. Now in the Name of Jesus as it pleased you before so would we gladly have the sence hereof in English Nal. ..... Let him that hath wisedom understand For here beginne the mysteries of your world 1 Behold 2 saith 3 your God 4 I am 5 a Circle 6 on whose hands 7 stand 8 12 Kingdoms 9 six 10 are 11 the seats 12 of living breath 13 The rest 14 are 15 as sharp Sickles 16 or the horns 17 of death 18 wherein 19 The Creatures of the earth 20 are 21 to are not 22 except 23 mine own hand 24 Which 25 sleep 26 and 27 shall rise 28 In the first 29 I made you 30 Stewards 31 and 32 placed you 33 in seats 12 or in 12 seats 34 of government 35 Giving 36 unto every one of you 37 power 38 successively 39 over 40 456. 41 the true ages 42 of time 43 to the intent that 44 from the highest vessels 45 and 46 the Corners 47 of your governments 48 you might work 49 my power 50 pouring down 51 The fires of life and encrease 52 continually 53 on the earth 54 Thus 55 you are become 56 The skirts 57 of Justice 58 and truth 59 In the name 60 of the same your god 61 lift up 62 I say 63 your selves 64 Behold 65 his mercies 66 flourish 67 and name 68 is become 69 mighty 70 amongst us 71 in whom 72 we say 73 Move 74 Descend 75 and 76 apply your selves unto us 77 as unto 78 the partakers 79 of his secret wisdom 80 in your Creation There are three calls in the second part of Cracovia and one in the first These four calls are the second the 3 d. 4 th 5 th for the first Table can have no call it is of the Godhead E. E. Now all all his fingers disappear K. K. Now Gabriel standeth up Gab. ..... Heark O ye sons of men is the first of nature and the beginning of your being in body Whereby the things of the world have life live Let him that hath wisdom understand Grow together for this hath its fruit in due time Albert Laskie hath not done the Commandment of God he should have been here by this time Δ. Gloria Laus Honor Imperium sit Deo Nostro in infinita seculorum secula Amen Δ. Remember that on Wedsday night April the 25. my Lord Albert Laskie came at night to Cracovia and lay in a little woodden building among guards by St. Stenislaus Church and on the Friday morning following intended to enter his journey toward Kesmark and the recovering of Kesmark Jesus prosper his just Cause Wensday morning Aprilis 1584. Cracoviae Jesus Nal. ....... A new Action Backward as before 52 DAIOI of him that liveth for ever Ioiad 51 RIZ I am Zir. 50 PAL for Lap. 49 PLERV a strong seething Vrelp 48 MZAZO make me Ozazm 47 DO and Od. 46 OZLACIM in power Micalzo 45 NARMAZ shew your selves Zamran 44 DOQONC unto his servants as C No quod Gab. ...... The place is become more holy and he is become more meek Nal. ...... 43 AC therefore Ca. 42 RACAZ Move Zacar 41 LEHOG saith the first Go hel E. K. Now the Crosse is come in again thinner than it was before 40 UZROT Arise Torzú 39 NODIAI of the all-powerful Ia i don 38 NINAM in the minde Manin 37 QO but O qua 36 EGAT as is not Tagé 35 SROC Such Cors. 34 FORT a building Trof 33 NAON you are become No an 32 PAL for Lap. 31 NOGNOZO then the many fold windes Ozongon 30 AIB your voices Bia. 29 SIHC are Chis the I long 28 PLACIM mightier Mi calp 27 DO and Od 26 IRRO than the barren stone Orri 25 DSUL your feet Lusd 24 SIHC are Chis as Xis. 23 IUIG stronger as Giui 22 HOTLAB of righteousnesse Baltoh 21 EGOO for the Chamber Ooge 20 SBRVT in their beauty Turbs 19 QLSROL the flowres Lors I qua 18 ATQ or as Quu Ta. 17 ADELCARAP for a wedding Paracleda 16 OHLAT Cups Talho 15 AT as Ta. 14 GMARBA I have prepared Abramg 13 AMRASAC whom Casarma 12 HPDAIP within the depth of my Jaws Piadph 11 ZAZAZI have framed Izazaz 10 GRUPLAI the burning flames I al purg 9 MABOS whom S o bam 8 L of the first A word 7 VIIV O you the second Viiv 6 DLAS your voices of wonder Sald 5 PIAAF understand Fa a ip 4 MO   Om. 3 GNOZ of the windes Zong 2 HAAPV the wings V pa ah 1 TGDA Can Adgt. The first word The first is the last 1 Can E. K. Now he holdeth up many hands and fingers as before and on the very end of the fingers distinctly these parcels appeared in English 2 The second word The wing Vpaah is the wings and Adgt is Can. 3 of the windes 4 understand your voices of windes 5 O you 6 the second 7 of the first 8 whom 9 The burning flames 10 have framed 11 within the depth of my Jaw 12 whom 13 I have prepared 14 as 15 Cups 16 for a wedding 17 or as 18 the flowres 19 in their beauty 20 for the Chamber 21 of righteousnesse 22 stronger 23 are 24 your feet 25 then the barren stone 26 and 27 mightier 28 are 29 your voices 30 then the mainfold windes 31 For 32 you are become 33 a building 34 Such 35 as is not 36 But 37 in the minde 38 of the all-powerful 39 Arise 40 saith the first 41 Move 42 therefore E. K. All the Stone is become very dark The wicked said ....... Thou shalt go no further ...... Δ. I prayed Roffensis Psalm 9. and the Lords Prayer and the Stone became clear and the fingers appeared again through the mercy of the Highest ...... 43 unto his servants 44 shew your selves 45 in power 46 and 47 make me 48 a strong See thing 49 for 50 I am 51 of him 52 that liveth for ever E. K. Now appear no more fingers Nal. Compare them now together E. K. Now he is set down in his chaire Δ. I have compared the English Joynts to the mystical words and I find 12. of each so that they agree Nal. Thus you have this dayes labour Now The white silk is extended over the stone Δ. Soli Deo nostro Deo omnipotenti Majestatis tremedae super omnia amandae sit omnis laus 〈◊〉 actio Jubilatio Amen Friday Cracoviae Aprilis Mane hora ferè 9. Oratione Dominica aliis Precibus ad Deum finitis pro luce veritate in hanc formam Omnipotens sempiterne vere 〈◊〉 Deus noster mitte nobis spiritum sanctum veritatem tuam ut sapienter fideliter constanter tibi serviamus omnibus diebus vitae nostrae Amen The white
to any place to them And that about our own affairs we are contented to use patience for a long time but to await the Lord his coming or message is a time better spent than in any humane affairs c. He very plainly and at large made manifest his conversion to God from the practices with wicked spirits Yea that he was ready to burn whatsoever he had of their trash and experiments That he would write in a book the manifold horrible Doctrine of theirs whereby they would have perswaded him ..... That Jesus was not God ..... That no prayer ought to be made to Jesus ..... That there is no 〈◊〉 ..... That mans 〈◊〉 doth go from one body to another childes quickening or 〈◊〉 ..... That as many men and women as are now have alwayes been That is so many humane bodies and humane souls neither m re nor lesse as are now have alwayes been ..... That the generati n of mankind from Adam and Eve is not an History but a writing which hath an other sense ..... No Holy Ghost they acknowledged ..... They would not suffer him to pray to Jesus Christ but would rebuke him saying that he robbed God of his honour c. And so of very many other most blasphemous Articles and Points of Doctrine whereof more shall be spoken in another place This forbearings of our Instructors presence I did expound or conjecture to be done greatly for the honour of God many wayes if the same were recorded somewhat near to the very manner of the thing as it was for so should appear to the posterity how truely it had been said before that he should be converted to God How truely God did prepare E. K. his soul to be a vessel cleansed and so made apt for his visiting of him in mercy and comfort whereby the life of E. K. now being amended and his dealing with the wicked clean left off should not be a scandal to the will of the Lord and to the greatness of his works as was noted unto us in the last Action Also I said that not onely his Conversion recorded should be a more evident argument of his so oft repeated Election But his patient attending this present day Δ two hours and a half and taking all things in such sort as became an humble and patient servant will be a more sure and evident argument that it was no light pang such as he hath made outward shew diverse times before but a very harty and sincere conversion such as without all doubt will be found very acceptable to the highest Moreover he declared that about nine or ten dayes past he did intend to have gotten away secretly by the help spiritual of those with whom he had so long dealt And therefore that till now he dealt hypocritically But whereas they to fore were ever accustomed to threaten him Beggery a thing which he most hated and feared That now he careth not if he should have want yea he took it neither to be shame or sin to beg and that he now made more account of God his favour and life eternal then he doth of all transitory wealth and riches and to be entangled within the danger of these wicked spirits their snares with all Also he now perceived his great errour wherein he was of late when he would for an assured temporal maintenance have forsaken the dealing with the wicked and so more willingly would have followed these actions without repining Saying now that he is no perfect Christian who for money must be hired to forsake the Devil and his works c. And as for the issue of these actions he would never either doubt or mislike howsoever they fell out assuring himself That God would do all things best and for his honour c. Many other his sayings very glodly I omit thinking these sufficient here Δ. O Almighty eternal and most mercifull God we thank glorifie and praise thee O blessed and most glorious Trinity we will for ever Magnifie thy unspeakable providence favour Election and Conversion unto thee O Blessed Jesu we will for ever extol thy loving kindnesse and long suffering toward us and thy Triumphant proceeding against Satan and his Ministers for thy Elect sake O holy Ghost the directer into all truth and comforter of thy Elect confirm and establish our hearts with thy gracious and continual zeal and love of truth purity of life Charitable humility and constant patience to thy well-pleasing untill the end That after this life through the mercy of the father and Merits of our Lord Jesus Christ and thy charitable embracing of us we may for ever enjoy the heavenly Kingdom among the blessed Angels and all the dignified company of mankind Amen Amen Amen Munday Junii 11. Mane hora 7¼ Cracoviae Δ. After our prayers due and thanks to the Almighty for his great mercies and power shewed in the conversion of E. K. we stayed still attending some shew as we were accustomed to receive and among divers our short discourses of our faith hope patience constancy humility and other our duties requisite in this action and in the service of God E. K. of himself said these sentences worthy to be recorded as the evident token of his sound and faithfull turning and intent to cleave unto the Lord. 1. E. K. I acknowledge my sins have deserved that this seven years I should have no shew or sight of his good Creatures 2. E. K. If I should sit thus for seven years attending the pleasure of God I would be contented 3. E. K. I repent me nothing of that I have done in forsaking those I was wont to have to do withall c. E. K. In the stone nothing appeared all this while of our sitting here Δ. Nihil visible apparuit in Chrystallo sacrato praeter ipsius Chrystalli visibilem formam ut E. K. dixit Δ. Hora 11. we left off so we attended 3. hours and 3. quarters Δ. I will affirm nothing in this case but this my conjecture may be recorded The cause of the non-appearance the last Friday and now this Mounday may be this 1. That as we lost and refused three dayes assigned by our instructours to finish all in So now we shall call and request three dayes and have nothing as these two dayes it hath fall'n out and it is possible one day more we shall have the like non-appearance Or else 2. According to the premisses Onely three dayes before our journey shall be begun we shall have that delivered us which in the three last dayes we should have received c. Or else 3. That great Caveat before noted on Saturday Junii 2. last past may have some forewarning of this our patience to be used after our Conversion unto God The words then recorded are these This Action shall never come to passe untill there be no remembrance of wickednesse or Hell left amongst you And yet after for a time you