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A19142 A fresh suit against human ceremonies in God's vvorship. Or a triplication unto. D. Burgesse his rejoinder for D. Morton The first part Ames, William, 1576-1633. 1633 (1633) STC 555; ESTC S100154 485,880 929

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euangelio_fw-la non_fw-la contentum_fw-la superstitionem_fw-la esse_fw-la imo_fw-la &_o idololatriam_fw-la vocant_fw-la fundantur_fw-la praecepue_v in_o deut._n 12._o now_o 1._o this_o can_v be_v understand_v of_o the_o anabaptist_n because_o they_o make_v no_o such_o account_n of_o deutronomie_n or_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o that_o they_o find_v any_o doctrine_n chief_o on_o that_o 2._o suarez_n himself_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n show_v plain_o that_o he_o there_o mean_v protestant_n for_o he_o send_v the_o reader_n for_o confutation_n of_o these_o heretic_n to_o gregorius_n de_fw-fr valentia_n tom_n 3._o disp_n 6._o q._n 11._o p._n 1._o where_o he_o dispute_v against_o herbrandus_fw-la a_o protestant_n not_o a_o anabaptist_n &_o to_o lessius_fw-la de_fw-fr just_a &_o jure_fw-la l._n 2._o cap._n 43._o dub_v 4._o where_o he_o dispute_v about_o this_o quaestion_n against_o calvin_n and_o lest_o any_o man_n shall_v think_v he_o mean_v one_o kind_n of_o heretic_n there_o and_o 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