incensed the Pope against him Thu. l. 94. For the Pope had agreed with Guise in secret to marry his Niece to the Prince of Jonvil Guise his son and heir and to depose the King thrust him into a Monastery and compel him by the Popes authority to renounce his right to the Kingdom and to set up Guise the father King in his place But how zealous and jealous he was for the Dignity and Authority of the Holy See is worth our further notice in an instance related by a good Catholick the learned Civil Lawyer William Barclay in his book De Potestate Papae dedicated to Pope Clement VIII None of all the writers of the Popes part saith he hath either more dilig ntly collected or more ingeniously proposed or more smartly and subtilely concluded their reasons and arguments for the Popes Authority than the Eminent Divine Bellarmine who although he attributed as much as with honesty he could and indeed more than he ought to have done to the Authority of the Pope in Temporals yet could he not satisfie the Ambition of that most Imperious man Sixtus v. who affirmed that he held a Supreme Power over All Kings and Princes of the whole Earth and all People and Nations delivered to him not by humane but Divine Institution In so much that he was very near by his Papal Censure to have abolished to the great detriment of the Church all the works of that Doctor which at this day oppose heresie with very great success as the Fathers of that Order of which Bellarmine was have seriously told me cap. 13. But enough of Sixtus By whom for example we may guess by these fruits what likelyhood there is that he and such as he whereof there hath been no small number Popes since the tenth Age especially that Seculum Infelix when with a great Eclipse of Learning the Popes of Rome as even Bellarmine noteth degenerated from the Piety of the Ancients were partakers of and directed by that Holy Spirit which God giveth to them that obey him to conduct them in all truth or rather the Spirit of the world the Spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience whose works they have done 35. The three next succeeding Popes Vrban 7. Gregory 14. and Innocent 9. did not all of them live out half three years from the death of this and therefore we cannot expect to hear of any attempts or design of theirs against this Kingdom But after Clement VIII who was elected Pope 3. Feb. 1591 2. was settled in his seat the like practises soon began again wherein those agents whom we have mentioned before Hesket Lopez and Complices his Cullen York and Williams who confessed some others and Squire were imployed to raise rebellion poison or assassinate the Queen Lopez by the King of Spain's Ministers of State not without the privity and consent of himself all the rest incited and encouraged by the Jesuites who for the like practises at the same time against the most Christian King though then become Catholick too Thu. l. 111. were exterminated out of all France and a Pyramid erected for their perpetual Infamy But from all these God still preserved her the Emissaries being discovered taken and Executed Nor did he only preserve her from their attempts but shortly after blessed her with happy successes in an Expedition against the Spaniards then preparing again to Invade England Bacon Observ wherein the King of Spains Navy of 50. tall Ships besides twenty Gallies to attend them were beaten and put to flight and in the end all but two which were taken by the English burned only the twenty Gallies by the benefit of the Shallows escaping the town of Cadiz manned with 4000. foot and 400. horse taken sack'd and burnt but great Clemency used toward the inhabitants Camd. an 1596 and at last the English returning home with honour and great spoils besides the two Gallions and about 100. great brass Guns and great store of ammunition and provisions of war taken in the town and with very small loss and but of one person of quality the Spaniards having lost in all first and last 13. of their best men of war and 44. other Ships of great burden and in Ships great guns and military provisions by the estimate of the most knowing persons above 3000000 ducates And when the King of Spain not long after that he might repair this loss in a heat had from all parts gathered together all the Ships he could and manned even the strangers Ships which were in the Ports of Spain and set out this Navy to Land upon the Coasts either of England or Ireland the Heavens fought for her and so favoured her that by a horrid tempest which arose most of those Ships were either sunk by the waves or broken against the rocks in so much that she sooner heard of the destruction of her enemies than of their setting out to Sea to assault her The year ensuing great preparations were made on both sides but the Heavens not favoring any further proceedings of this kind both the Fleets were so dispersed by storms that neither came within sight of the other And now the King of Spain became well inclined to a peace with England which though proposed by the French he lived not to see brought to effect for he died the 13. of Sept. after 36. But the death of the King of Spain did not dissolve the Combination no more than the deaths of so many several Popes before had done For it still survived in his son Phil. 111. with Clement VIII Only so many former attempts having proved altogether unsuccessful against England there was now with the persons some change also of their Counsels and all their Consultations against England were afterward so directed as to depend for their execution upon the death of the Queen Yet in Ireland there seemed some hopes that something might be effected at present by assisting the Robels there and therefore for their encouragement and assistance the King of Spain by his Agent Don Martin de la Cerda sends them money and Ammunition and the Pope by Mathew de Oviedo whom he designed Archbishop of Dublin Promises of Indulgence with a Phoenix plume to Tir-Oen their General and the year after he sends them his Indulgence it self to this effect That whereas of long time being led on by the Exhortations of his Predecessors and himself and of the Apostolick See for the recovery and defence of their Liberty against the Hereticks they had with Vnited minds and Forces given aid and assistance first to James Fitz-Girald and lastly to Hugh Onel Earl of Tyron Captain General of the Catholick Army in Ireland who with their Souldiers had in process of time performed many brave atchievements fighting manfully against the enemy and for the future are ready to perform the like that they may all the more cheerfully do it and assist against the said Hereticks being willing after the
in Custody and Bonds The fame of this being spread abroad for in so great a matter of Joy it could not be concealed the Conspirators fly some this way some that way and meet together at Holbech at the house of Stephen Littleton in the borders of Stafford-shire Thither came those that were privy to the Conspiracy out of Warwick shire and Worcester-shire although they were ignorant of the discovery of the Plot having taken away by force from Gentlemens houses their Warr-horses thereby giving a manifest token what they would have done when they had got the power in their hands when as they ravaged with such boldness while the event was yet doubtful The Leaders of the Faction trusted that great numbers of Men and a considerable Army would flock into them as soon as they should appear in Arms. But the Lieutenants and Sheriffs being before while the Treason was only suspected Commanded by the King to ride about their Counties their attempts were all made void and scarcely an Hundred of all that number appeared in Arms. And they were encompassed by Richard Walsh High Sheriff of the County of Worcester who came upon them unexpectedly with a strong power of Men so that they could not escape When despairing of Pardon and their troubled Consciences putting them upon desperate exploits the Gun-powder that was drying by the Fire took fire by a sparkle that fell into it and so suddenly burnt the Faces Sides Arms Hands of the Besieged that they were rendered unable to handle their Arms and so lost their strength and courage together Catesby and Percy that were most active together with Tho. Winter while they betake themselves to a corner of the house are both shot through with a Leaden Bullet Winter being wounded fell into the hands of the Kings Party both the Wrights were slain Grant Digby Rockwood and Bates were taken Prisoners Tresham whiles shifting his Lodgings in London he sometime escaped yet at last was taken Robert Winter and Littleton a long time wandring up and down the Woods at last fell into the hands of the Guards and were all committed to the Tower at London Being Examined without the rack for only Fawks was put under this way of Examination and that but moderately they severally discovered the whole series of the matter as we have before recounted and taxed none in Holy Orders which many looked upon as purposely avoided because they were bound by Oath not to do it When as Francis Tresham had before he dyed in Prison of his own accord nominated Henry Garnet being admonished thereof by his Wife he wrote a Letter to the Earl of Salisbury and excusing his too rash confession he so discharged Garnet as much as in him lay by a solemn adjuration interposed that he did entangle himself in a notorious lye affirming †He took it upon his Salvation even in articulo mortis a lamentable thing for within three hours after he dyed Proceedings against the late Traitors C c 2.3 that he had not seen Garnet of sixteen years when as it did appear afterward by the confession of Garnet * And of Mrs. Anne Vaux who confessed that she had seen Mr. Tresham with Garnet at her house three or four times since the Kings coming in and that they were at Erith together the last Summer and that Garnet and she were not long since with Mr. Tresham at his house in Northampton-shire and stayed there Proceedings ibid. that they had often and for a long time together conversed one with another before the six Moneths last past MDCVI Digby confessing the matter as it was in truth endeavoured †He sought to clear all the Jesuits of those practises which they themselves have now confessed ex ore proprio Proceedings ibid. Even at the time of Garnets Tryal was current throughout the Town a report of a Retractation under Bates his hand of his accusation of Greenwell Proceedings ibid. to excuse the horridness of the Fact which he acknowledged and seemed to detect by the desperateness of their condition For being made to hope that the new King upon his coming to the Kingdom would indulge liberty of Conscience to those of the Popish Religion and would permit the exerise thereof with some restriction This being denyed it drove those miserable men unadvisedly to pernicious Counsels Here the Earl of Northampton and Cecil who together with the Earl of Nottingham Suffolk Worcester and Devonshire did fit as Judges in that Cause interposed affirming that the King never gave them any hope of liberty nor ever engaged his word for it but factious persons did maliciously throw such a report abroad that they might have a pretence wherewith to excuse both themselves and such as they were for the Seditions which they raised in the Kingdom At length being Convicted and found Guilty they are condemned to the punishment wont to be inflicted by the Laws of the Realm upon Rebels and Traytors Everard Digby Robert Winter John Grant and Thomas Bates were Executed at London nigh the Western Gate of St. Paul's Church in the later end of January The day following Tho. Winter Ambrose Rockwood Robert Keies and Guido Fawks who confessed that they had wrought in the Vault were Executed at Westmonaster in the Old Palace yard near the Parliament house Upon this many who for this cause were banished or of their own accord changed their Native Soil were most courteously received at Calice by Dominick Wikes Vicue the Governour there for so the King commanded Of whom one was of such a perverse mind that when Wikes did shew himself to bewail his and his Companions fortune and for their comfort added Though they had lost their Native Countrey yet by the Kings grace they had a Neighbouring one allowed them Nay saith the other It is the least part of our grief that we are banished our Native Countrey and that we are forced to change our Soil because every good man counts that his Countrey where he can be well this doth truly and heartily grieve us that we could not bring so generous and wholsom a design to perfection Which as soon as Vicus contrary to his expectation had heard he could hardly for anger abstain from throwing that man into the Sea who gloryed in such a Plot as was damned by all men For so I remember I have heard Vicus often say when together with Alexander Delbenius he came courteously upon the account of our Ancient friendship to visit me a little before he went from us The Plot being discovered the Parliament among publick rejoycings was held with great security To whom the King made a most weighty Oration and set forth the inexpressible Mercy of God over all his works towards Himself his Family and His whole Kingdom largely aggravating the thing from its several circumstances This temperament being * And this conclusion with no less truth That as upon the one pare many honest men seduced with some errors
for the Story of the Combination having perceived something of the unhappy issue of her Neighbours Persecutions of the Professors of that Reformed Religion which she happily established and defended I began to perceive something of that DISTINGUISHING PROVIDENCE which is very Observable and Remarkable in the ensuing part of the Discourse to Sect. 61. Wherefore having cursorily run over some of the principal parts of that Story and satisfied my self that it would make good what I undertook I thought it an unworthy piece of laziness or negligence not to add that part also so pertinent so remarkable and necessary but hoped to have done it more briefly than I found I well could when I again set my self to the perusal of the History Having finished this I made some Reflections upon the whole and thereupon added the OBSERVATIONS Inferences and the rest which make up the last part and conclusion And this was the Occasion this the Matter and Method of the Discourse Now for the Manner of writing it when I began I was wholly a stranger to the Story and to all or most of the Books I have made use of had never read two leaves in Thuanus save part of the History of the Powder-Plot had never seen Davila had only occasionally if at all looked into any other of the Books I have made use of Besides being most of it written in the Countrey and my own stock being but short I could not have that assistance from variety of Books which I desired and yet it pleased God many things fell in my way beyond my expectation and the Authors I have generally used are such whose Authority is beyond all exception the incomparable Thuanus Davila Perefix and others of the Roman Communion for I have but rarely followed any Writers of the Reformed Religion and more rarely without the concurrent authority of others But what is most considerable the greatest part being sent away in single sheets by the Post as it was written I could neither my self have the perusal of the entire work together nor have it perused by my friends before it was printed This I mention for my excuse of such mistakes as possibly may occur in it For I did not design to injure the Truth in any particular nor have I to my knowledg done it in any thing material only Sect. 12. you will meet with Lovain in Flanders which perhaps is in Brabant though by Flanders I then meant that part of the Low-Countries which was then under the King of Spain or the Archdukes Obedience and I know the name Flanders is used in as large a sense by many and commonly by the Italians and Sect. 34. pag. 48. 't is said he made them amends for it afterwards whereas that excommunication there mentioned was before which I did not then observe when I wrote it Again Sect. 42. pag. 74. you 'l find the D. of Tuscany Father to the Qu Mother which is a mistake for he was of the same Family and succeeded her Brother but was not her Father and therefore the Reader may either amend it or quite strike it out But these are such mistakes as are rarely escaped by those who write at more leisure and are no prejudice at all to the Story If any other mistake that is material shall come to my knowledge whether by my own observation or the information of any other whether friend or foe I will not fail God willing publickly to acknowledge the same and if this discourse shall be thought worthy of another Edition to reform it For I approve not the use of Piae Fraudes and think Lying and Slandering as always unlawful and unworthy of a Christian so where matters of Religion are concerned to be prophane and sacrilegious The God of Truth is able to defend his own cause the Truth without such wicked shifts and when he pleaseth to suffer it to be oppressed for a time he doth with great wisdom permit it but in the mean time allows not us to vindicate it by such indirect means whereby we do as much as in us lyes oppose the design and course of his Providence Numquid Deus indiget vestro mendacio ut pro illo loquamini dolos Job 13.7 But if my hast hath made me in any thing through mistake to mis-represent any actions of the Papists to their prejudice it is likely it hath made me overlook as much more which might have been said against them Nor have I thereby so much injured them as they have injured themselves and their cause by such indirect and wicked practises as are beyond all contradiction to the great scandal of the most Holy Christian Religion which is that which in some places hath made my expressions more sharp than what otherwise I should have used Nor had it not been for that and for the great danger I apprehend our Country to be in by their restless mysterious practises for the discovery and prevention whereof the discovery of their former Policies and Practices may be of good use should I have delighted in such an undertaking I have otherwise no prejudice against them and could heartily wish that all which I have written had been false but since it is not only too true but we are still in danger from the same principles though the manner and method of their operation and practice may in some respects be altered I cannot but think the undertaking both lawful and necessary Nor is the honour of Religion ever a whit secured by palliating the irreligious practices of spurious Professors but better vindicated by publickly detecting and condemning and where there is a just Authority condignly punishing or correcting them This is more agreeable to the will of God and the course and methods of his Providence who useth not to dissemble the most secret miscarriages of his dearest children but either to detect them and bring them to light to the end they may be punished by the Ministers of his Justice or if they through want of knowledge power or fidelity do fail therein to do it himself by his Divine Judgments upon the offenders unless they prevent the same by timely and seriously judging themselves But still it may be objected but why such haste If it must be published why not upon more mature deliberation Why not the Errata though never so inconsiderable first corrected and perhaps why not the stile first better smoothed and polished and some things removed to their proper places I answer If we must stay till we can be secure against all mistakes we should have very few books ever published but it is sufficient if we can be secure for the main whereof I am very well satisfyed as to this work and for the stile and ornaments which most concern my self they were not tanti with me who neither undertook it nor proceeded in it upon self-respect but besides I was beyond my first intention ingaged in it and the Press was at work and being so engaged I
Supreme Senate of that Kingdom but of known and confessed Candor Impartiality Faithfulness and Exactness as an Historian And being one who lived and dyed a Catholick in the Communion of the Church of Rome his Authority hath in that respect some advantage above any of the other Relations which have been written by any of the Reformed party which of it self may be sufficient to resute the Impudence and vanity of all such as would have had the world believe that it was the contrivance either of the * This bloudy design found in the hands of the malefactors was notwithstanding father'd upon the Puritans as Nero did the burning of Rome upon the Christians by some impudent and cunning Jesuits Which some years after I had opportunity at Bruges in Flanders to make weston and old Jesuit active in the Powder plot ingenuously to confess Wilson ibid. Puritans V. Speed Sect. 48. Wilsons History of King James pag. 32. Foulis pag. 690. or of Cecil the then Secretary to draw those unhappy Gentlemen into it V. Foulis pag. 694. The Papists Apol. answered pag. 31-33 edit 1667. the contrary whereof may easily be perceived in the series of this Relation And indeed the first of these projects was extinguished almost with the plot and the other hath been long since sufficiently disproved and the plot it self confessed by some and defended magnified and gloried in by others of that party and now searce denyed by any to have been of their own contrivance so that more need not now be said as to that particular though the following considerations if need were might be made use of in that respect 2. This design of Blowing up the Prince and People together hath been commonly taken to have been the contrivance of Catesby and of no ancienter Original than their despair of foreign assistance upon their last negotiation with Spain Of that mind seems our Historian here to have been So also Speed Sect. 33 37. Proceed E 4. pag. 3. And the truth is there is scarce to be found in print any direct and express proof of other author and contriver or more ancient original of it though possibly we may ere long see it further proved to have been designed in the Queens days against her but upon further consideration of her age not likely according to the course of nature to live long deferred till the coming in of King James In the mean time it may be remembred what is often seen in Judicatories and Tryals of Causes both Civil and Criminal that those things and works of darkness which are carried on and managed with so much secrecy and caution that no direct proof can be made against them are notwithstanding often discovered and brought to light by a heedful and circumspect observation and comparing of circumstances insomuch that the evidence of the truth which is by this means made out is not seldom more satisfactory to all present than the direct and express proof and testimonies of witnesses which many times prove false even then when they seem to be most full and punctual And therefore to prove this contrivance proceeded from other heads than Catesby 's alone and was of longer standing than hath been commonly thought what is yet wanting in direct proofs may in some measure be made up by the consideration of the following Circumstances 3. And first it may be noted that though Catesby be the first of all these Conspirators taken in this plot that did propose it to the rest for ought appears by what was discover'd at their examination and tryals yet doth it not thence follow but it might have been before proposed to him being the most active of them by some other nor doth it any way appear that it was of his own only devising as to omit other reasons is manifest from their attempt who would have fathered it upon Cecil as a trick to ensnare those gentlemen for otherwise there would have been no ground or colour for that pretense 4. It may 2. be remembred that this was not the first time that this means by blowing up by Gunpowder hath been proposed by confederates of that party for the destruction and murther of our Princes For it had been long before proposed by one Moody to be laid under Queen Elizabeth's bed and secretly fired Camden Anno 1587. principio So that this may seem to have been but a further improvement of a former project 5. But 3. to come nearer to this present business There is a passage of the Jesuite Del Rio 6. Disquis Magic cap. 1. edit Lovan 1600. which with the concurrence of other circumstances makes it very suspitious that he was privy to the Contrivance if not the Author of it and which though published in Print some years before the discovery of this plot hath scarce been taken notice of as to this purpose till of late And this it is Sect. 2. Pag. 154 This Section saith he I add by reason of the simplicity of some Confessors and the rashness and malice of some Judges c. Then he first gives us this note that the Seal of Confession hath the same force in all crimes even the most enormous as in the crime of Treason and then makes a distinction between offences committed and offences to be committed and as to offences committed he says it is the opinion of some which seems to be the common opinion of the Canonists that the priest may reveal the offence already committed which he hath learn'd not in the Sacrament of Penance but without it under a promise of secrecy and of the seal of Confession yea that he ought to reveal it before the Judge if he be produced for a witness This opinion Pag. 155 saith he is rejected by others but I think both probable but the latter more safe Then as to offences to be committed when a person will not abstain or amend himself but resolves to accomplish the crime there hath been some Jurists saith he that have thought that they may be revealed by the Confessor This is a dangerous opinion and withdraws men from Confession and therefore he concludes that the common contrary opinion is altogether to be followed That it is not lawful to detect not even Treason against the state In order to a further proof of this Conclusion he tells us what limitations they of this opinion do put upon it this among the rest If the penitent have partners accomplices and he indeed is penitent and promises amendment but he discovers that yet there is danger still lest while he desists the mischief be committed by his accomplices For then they think that to prevent the future damage the Priest may reveal the offence which is to be committed although the penitent consent not And as to this limitation he says it depends upon this Question Pag. 156 Whether a Priest may at any time make use of the discovery which he hath made from Confession so much as for government and the
adversary who so studiously and industriously endeavors our divisions it can never be approved as any way consistent with prudence and that care of the flock which all faithful Pastors ought to have not to allow at least such indulgence and liberty in such things as is necessary to the preservation of unity in the Church 2. By scandalous coldness in Religion and worldliness in the Clergy It is certain both from reason and experience though perhaps not commonly observed that there is scarce any so universal and powerful a cause of separation and factions as this For the generality of people do rarely judge by any other rule than that of our Saviour by their fruits and are therefore very apt to judge of the truth of mens Doctrine by the virtue and piety of their lives and actions And there is a certain authority of reputation which ought always to accompany authority of Jurisdiction and is in truth the more powerful of the two to retain people in a sweet voluntary and so more perfect obedience and this being lost the other which alone holds them only in a kind of violent and forced not natural and genuine obedience is very difficult to be managed very hazardous to be cast off and is seldom of long duration Now the former which is the proper authority of the Church and Clergy for what is coercive more than bare excommunication is in truth a branch of the Civil Authority can never be retained by only abstaining from those we call scandalous sins but by the constant sincere and vigorous practice of those great virtues of Religion Humility Meekness Heavenly-mindedness contempt of the World devotion in Religion and zealous endeavors for the Salvation of Souls without which the observance of the rules only of ordinary moral virtues will be attributed rather to humane Prudence than to Religion But to see men zealous for the accidents and formalities of Religion and cold in the practice and promotion of the great essential and substantial parts and the very business of it to hear men cry up morality as if there was nothing more in Religion than that and yet in the practice even of that to come far short of the very Heathen Moralists to see men prophanely turn the sacred Profession into a kind of trade to design it and apply themselves to it no otherwise than others do to civil or secular employments as a means to get a livelihood to get wealth honour and preferment in the World and when they have and perhaps by indirect means heaped Living upon Living and Preferment upon Preferment accordingly use or rather abuse the charity of our Ancestors and the revenues of the Church in such indulgence to Pride Ostentation voluptuous or delicious living as would be scarce excusable in the religious Laity nay to vie with them in such vanities or insatiably to heap up treasures not for the necessary relief of their own Families but to raise great Families in the World even of their more remote relations that which the time hath been hath been held no less than sacriledge without any regard to such works of Charity and the promotion of Christianity as all good Christians according to their ability are obliged to These things to which might be added the general decay and neglect of the ancient discipline do more effectually weaken the proper authority of the Church and Clergy than any Ecclesiastical Canons or Civil Laws can establish it and being naucious in the sight of the people provoke the more religious to run to private meetings and sects and the rest to jealousie and suspitions of all Religion to Infidelity Irreligion and Prophaneness and so in both give great advantage to the Romanists and help forward the promotion of their labours and designs The truth whereof is confirmed by the happy success of those who take a contrary course For thanks be to God we are not without some who by their good employment not only of the revenues of their Ecclesiastical preferments but also of their private fortunes their virtuous and pious lives and their fervent sound and profitable Preaching prevail with many of the several sorts of Non-Conformists to become their auditors and reclaim them And were there some good and effectual course taken that we might have more such lights set up in the more conspicuous Candlesticks of the Church we should find that the most effectual means both to dispel the mists of Separatists and keep out the Romish Foggs from overwhelming us and to promote and establish the honour and authority of the Church and Clergy Nor would the blessing of God be wanting to the pious use of such means 6. That they the Clergy especially will take example by their adversaries and not be less studious and industrious by just and proper means to promote and propagate the true Religion in its genuine purity and simplicity than they their errors abuses and corruptions of it by indirect and evil means They compass Sea and Land to make Proselytes c. and to that end have heretofore readily encountred all difficulties and dangers though now they cannot much complain of either and spare no pains nor cost We of this Nation particularly have long since had a large harvest proposed to us and nothing wanting to encourage us to the work but our own good will and zeal for our Masters service nay like sloathful servants have been whipped to our work and both Conformists and Non-Conformists have had their turns It were well if at last we would be sensible of this duty before a third party come and drive both to that which neither of themselves would willingly undertake Can we believe a Divine Providence and yet think the discovery of that other World was a casual thing or can we acknowledge a Divine Providence in that and yet believe there was no other design in it than to employ our Sea men or furnish us with Tobacco we have reason to believe that this neglect hath not been dissembled hitherto nor will escape unpunished for the future unless timely amended 7. That they will not be less vigilant and active for the preservation of their Religion and with it of their lives liberties and fortunes and all that is dear unto them than these sons of Perdition are to confound and destroy them and to that end make diligent search and enquiry into their present mysterious practices for the discovery whereof much light may be taken from the due consideration of their former practices and of their principles Their end in general is pretty well known and what latitude they are like to take to themselves in the choice of means for attaining that end may not only be conjectured by their former practices but demonstrated unanswerably from their certain principles From which considerations though a man that is willing might easily satisfie himself what they are now doing yet because some who are concerned to be convinced of it will not perhaps be so