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A85151 A true testimony against the Popes wayes, &c. In a return to that agreement of 42. of those that call themselves ministers of Christ (but are proved to be wrongers of men and of Christ) in the county of Worcester, and some adjacent parts, who subscribe their agreement and catechisme with the names and the places where they are pastors, teachers, and rectors, &c. as they say: or as followeth: Richard Baxter teacher of the church at Kiderminster. John Boraston pastor of Ribsford and Bewdley. Richard Eades pastor of Beckford Glocestershire. ... Joh: Dedicote preacher at Abbotesley. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1656 (1656) Wing F509; Thomason E870_6; ESTC R202116 86,932 79

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thou do not so dost not thou now preach that which thou therein said the Devill bred Christ detested and none that had any sparke of true grace ever believed or received And besides doest not thou indeavour to feed people with it which thou therein called the papists dung Consider well of it and where thou said in thy scorne when you have rubbed your eyes give us leave to smell the Pope in your endeavours but now behold thou thy folly and that Popish mist or darknesse which thou art in how it hath blinded thy mind and led thee into selfe contradictions and to manifest the mote thy confusion who art speaking thou knows not what but by imagination that art not yet to repentance come and therefore art very unfit to preach † Repentance or Perfection either for if repentance be as thou says and the 41 more in consent and approbation with thee in that Agreement viz a through-turning from the flesh and the world to God page 26. then you are not yet come to repentance that are not throughly turned from the world the flesh unto God but are in the world the sleshin the miscariages negligence page 3. 4. wrongers of men of Christ page 19. Therefore behold your folly made manifest 2 Tim. 3.8.9 who say you grow worse and so it appeares and that you are in confusion and that is a cleare Character to know evil men and seducers by as the Scripture saith for they shall grow worse and worse 2 Tim. 3 13. And remember Richard Baxter in thy book of slander called the Quakers Catechisme thou didst not onely slander us and all the Saints and servants of God and Ministers of the Gospel to prove thy selfe to be none of them but thou also slandered God himself and Christ his Son as well as in thy Agreement thou saies thou have wronged both Christ and men and yet continues therein growing worse and running on a though thou use words of flatteries to make Colourable Glosses for thy own ends yet art thou comprehended and seen as in thy other thou was who wronged God and Christ and all the Saints and Ministers of the everlasting truth and Gospel of God showing thy selfe to be ignorant of them c for thou said the doctrine of perfection was bred by the Devill thou believed and here thou art reprobate concerning the faith that stands in the power where thy entising words are shut out and all the deceivers for God himselfe bred or brought forth first that doctrine of perfection and not the Devil as thou hast said And here Richard Baxter I charge thee in the presence of God to be a false witnesse against the eternall truth and also to be a slanderer of the truth and art against God himselfe who first preached that doctrine of perfection viz. the doctrine of sinlesse perfection and said to Abraham when he appeared to him at the age of 99. yeares or when Abraham was 99. yeares old and preached the doctrine of perfection unto him when he promised to make a covenant with him and multiply him exceedingly he said unto him at that appearance and in his doctrine I am the Almighty God walke before me and be thou perfect Gen. 17.1 But Abraham did not crosse the doctrine of perfection preached by the Almighty God at 99. yeares old and say he could not be perfect as many of the Priests disciples and such in the old nature of miscarriages like you do now that say you cannot be perfect though God and Christ commanded it neither did Abraham say that the doctrine of perfection was a doctrine of the Devill or first bred by him as thou Richard Baxter hath said in the booke called the Quakers Catechisme but art without proof for the same Genc 17.1 Math. 5.48 and hast thou not called the doctrine of Almighty God the doctrine of the Devil and besides hast thou not called the Almighty God a Devil as the Jewes cheife Preists and such in thy nature called Christ a Belzebub or Prince of Devils in that wicked slander of thine where thou said thou believed the doctrine of perfection was first bred by the Devill Joh. 8.48 49.50 51 52 53. Mark 3.22 when it was first bred or brought forth and preached by the Almighty God himselfe and how wilt thou cleare thy selfe from the sin against the Holy-Ghost who art not a wronger of men only but of God and Christ also and now hath in thy Agreement with the 42. Priests Ministers Pastors Teachers and Rectors under a cover appeared and confessed the same to wit thy wrong to Christ and to men and so to God himself and is here made manifest c. And you say you are growing worse and running yet further from God then you do not amend but beares the marks of evill men and seducers as the Scripture saith which shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived 2 Tim. 3.13 as may be read 2 Tim. 3.13 so fulfilling the Scripture therein And againe that doctrine of perfection was preached but not bred by the Devill as thou saies where it is given forth by command saying Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God Deuter. 18.13 And the way of the Lord is perfect Psalm 18.30 his law is perfect Psalm 19.7 his work is perfect Deut. 32. and God himselfe was the Preacher of the doctrine of perfection Gen. 17.1 and also did command it Deut. 18.13 then it was neither the breeding and bringing forth of the Devill nor the Papists dung as thou Richard Baxter hath said except thou would dare to call the Almighty God by the name of the Devil and his truth and doctrine by him brought forth preached and commanded to be walked in by the name of the Papists dung Jam. 2.7 and if so then behold thy blasphemie as well as the Popish mist of darknesse which thou art in to wrong God himselfe and both Christ and men And as thou said in that booke called the Quakers Catechisme thou believed the doctrine of perfection was bred by the Devil the greatest sinner and detested by Christ and never beleived in heartily by any man that knew himself or had any sparke of true grace or Christian experience c. page 24. Here thou hast done wrong to Christ and the Saints and to the Ministers of the everlasting truth and Gospel of salvation and thy sayings as aforesaid agreeth against thee with thy false confession wherein thy lies are fastened upon thee and thou art confirming them in that Agreement of you 42. Preists Ministers Pastours Teachers and Rectors wherein you say you are in the miscarriages unpardoned page the 4. and wrongers of Christ and men page the 19. and therefore growing worse and running yet further from God it is no marvaile that you preach against the doctrine of perfection which is the doctrine of the Father and the Son For as God himself preached the doctrine of perfection
for the killing of ignorance which your preaching could not do And yet it hath been used by the Popish Race and your forefathers the Bishops and Prelates and were not killed thereby but is found living amongst you their children and off-spring And you are found in the deceit and would keep people in the same by your flatteries and inventions which will all be to no purpose that is acted by the spirit of deceit and miscarrying nature which you are in And leaves the same ignorance unkilled by your familiar and personal Instructions as your forefathers have done you being in the miscarriages wronging men and Christ and not guided by the true spirit but by the false as your fruits as well as your Agreement maketh it manifest Concerning your warrant You have gathered certain verses of the Apostles words and calls them your warrant from God when you are found our of the Apostles practice and order and not at all warranted by them to wrong men and Christ as you have done and confessed the same you also are in the miscarriages and disobedient nature neglecters of the great works of God and therefore you being in that deceit are out of the counsels of God and liars like the false prophets whose examples ye follow that stole the true prophets words and were ready like you to call them their warrant from God or saying they spake from the Mouth of the Lord when the Lord did not warrant them in it no more then he doth you but witnessed against them by the true Prophet And said he had not spoken to them but they ran unsent as you have done and therefore they should not profit the people at all no more then you shall though they spoke the true Prophets words as you may do yet they was not guided by the true Prophets spirit no more then you are And though they spake their words for their own ends as you do yet for all that they were without Warrant from God as well as you are and also found out of his Counsel in their inventions and speaking for their own ends and for mony as you do and they caused the people to erre by their lies and by their leightnesse as you do and the Lord by his Spirit in his Servants witnessed against them as he doth against you saying I sent them not nor commanded them and so they were without warrant from God as you are though they could speak the true Prophets words as you do yet running unsent as you have done The Lord said they should not profit the people at all Jer. 23.16.21.30.31 32. Mi cah 3.5.11 No more do you who are as you say neglecters of the works of God and in the miscarriages unpardoned as well as wrongers of men and Christ as you your selves in your Agreement have all so acknowledged therefore your gathering of Pauls words and the true Prophets words being out of their life and spirit to paint and garnish your selves withal and are found persecuting the truth as your forefathers the false Prophets and Scribes and Pharisees did their words gather together with your dark minds and no warrant to you from God so to do nor to be called of men Masters Matth. 23.8.10 Nor to preach for tithes or hundreds a year Paul did not do it but preached freely coveting no mans silver or gold but hath shewed an example which you refuse to follow Act. 20.33 34 35. therefore his words is no warrant for you to do as you do As in pag the 1. or 2. of your Agreement neither did Paul go to take a ground from the Pope or sixth general Councel held either at Trent or Trull and say from thence that they that are baptized ought to learn the Belief and on the fifth day of the week say it over to the Bishops c. as you do which you lay down as the ground of your Catechisme and familiar and personall instruction and so build upon the Bishops and old popish root as you have done But Paul as he was a Minister of Christ Act. 26.16 17 18. he was sent to turn people from darknesse to the Light and from the power of Satan unto God and not to keep them in darknesse and sin unturned to God as you and your Minister doth therefore you are out of this life and not guided by the Spirit of God as he was And Paul as he was a Minister of Christ and the Gospel he were called of God and appointed to preach by the power of the holy Ghost Gala. 1.1 Gala. 1.11.12.15 16. Act. 13.2 3 c. Act. 18.9 10 11 c. Act. 16.9 10. Colo. 1.25 26 27 28. who was not made a Minister by the will of man as you are but by the Will of God Gala. 1.1 2. in which his Ministry stood who had the mystery of godlinesse and Christ the Son of God revealed within him Ephe. 3.2 3. c. Gala. 1.15 16. And so had his warant from God and after Christ and the Ministry were so revealed in him then he went forth immediately and not before for to preach him as he hath certified to the brethren Gala. 1.11 12. And he preached the Light 2 Cor. 4.5 6. Law Rom. 8.3 Hebr. 8.10 11. And heavenly treasure within 2 Cor. 4.6 7. And the word in the heart Rom. 10.8 by which faith is wrought and Christ the Mistery and hope of glory within them Col. 1.25 26 27. And they that believed and were baptized into him they put him on Gala. 3 27. As Paul the Gospel-Minister hath certified but he did not make a ground of Catechisme and familiar personal instructions from the Pope or general Councels held at Trent or Trull as you do for the cutting down of Ignorance Heresie and wickednesse as you pretend you will do but Paul was to turn people from the darknesse in which errour heresie and wickednesse was and so turning them from that he turned them to the light and power of the Spirit of God which was the way and means whereby Ignorance Errour and wickednesse was to be cut down crucified and killed which you are yet ignorant of as your Agreement doth manifest as well as your fruits who lives in ignorance Miscariages Error Heresie and wickednesse uncrucified or killed And was not the same way and meanes which you pretend to kill it by used by the Pope Bishops Prelats c. or at the Councell at Trent or Trull and by your fore-fathers the old out-rooted Bishops and Episcopals before you and yet it left the Ignorance Errors Miscariages Heresies and wickednesse amongst you Living and had no power to crucifie the same and you say your preaching this many years hath not yet killed it and therefore you have agreed to use the same Antidote or means for the killing of it as they did and if it could not expell and kill it by them useing the same before you as you also have done do you think to blind
the wrong c. If you walk in that wrong way wherein you miscarrie and wrong God and Men growing worse and running further therein do not the Papists the same and are not you and they therein one and so walk with them in that way whose actions proceed from one ground and Spirit though in some words and formalities you differ but in the evill and wronging God and Men c. are Joyned together and therefore may stop your mouths of condemning others for that which you are found guilty of your words as well as your actions beare witnesse against you and your bitternesse and persecuting the servants of Jesus as your Prisons and barbarous or cruel usage at Evesham and other places may witnesse for the truth and against your deceit and wrong done to men and God as you say in your agreement therefore you and the Papists goes on in one nature together the Papists you say bring all ●he people to confesse their most secret sins unto their Priests and do not you labour to bring the people to do so unto you the Parish Masters idle Shepherds and hireling Preists and then are not you and the Papists therein both one in nature and property Ez●k 3● ●● ● though differing a little in words and colourable clauses And where you tell of creeping into houses who more then you creeps into the Popes houses which you with and from them call Churches but let me aske you that run so out of them from whence you sprung wherein do you and they differ in worships and practise therein Whether in manner or matter if in manner onely you differ and not in matter then do you not agree in the maine if so then are not you and the Papists in religion and worships as well as nature and property one though differing in some words formalities c. but both in the vaine traditions and observing your fancies and braine imaginations as the Serpents seed did in all ages You resolve in your wills to set on a worke in your imaginations promising salvation upon the performance and damnation upon the refusall page 30. and so would merit Heaven by your actings in the nature from whence ariseth negligence and miscarriages page 3 4. and wrong to men and to Christ page 19. and do not the Papists hold the same thinking to merit Heaven by their own actings in that nature and spirit of deceipt which guides them to neglect the work of God and also into miscarriages and to wrong men and God like you and persecuters and seed of evill doers If so then are not you and the Papists one therein and why do you crie out against that so much in others your selves being guilty of and found in the same and doing their work onely differing here and there in words formalities some colourable glosses c. You say page 23. you have all need to joyne heart and hand to help one another safe to heaven and all little enough you say I answer yea and too little too for in that nature in will not be done which teacheth you to wrong Christ and Men for if in that nature you could do it why might not the Papist in the like nature with you do the same and are not you therein with the Papists one or if any get out of your ignorance and come from under the wrong and out of the miscarriages in obedience to the teachings of Christ the true teacher and Saviour whom you wrong that they get into Heaven before you or sit with Christ Jesus in heavenly places whilst their bodys are on the earth as the Saints at Ephesus did whil'st their bodys were there and such as are saved by grace having their souls purified in obeying the truth through the Spirit where selfe is denyed are not you through ignorance of the way that leads out of error heresie miscarriages Popery and darknesse ready to call such hereticks as are come out of that and into the glorious light and injoyments of the sons of God to worship the Father in Spirit I say are you not ready to call such hereticks who are come out of it viz the darknesse E●he 1.6 Co. 1.13 1 Pet. 1.22.23 24. Reve. 21.3.23.24 Joh. 4.23.24 2 Cor. 3.16.17 Gal. 4.4 5 6 7.8 1 Cor. 4.6.7 and heresie which you live in and would rank them with the Papists under that denomination to cover and shelter your selves thinking to cast that upon them which they are freed from and you and the Papists are found in union with and guilty of being both of you out of the right way and in the wrong that are neglecters of the work of God and wronging God and men and living in the miscarriages and so in the heresies error and disobedience to the truth following your own Spirits and obeying the imagined fancy formed up in your own wills and living in the vaine traditions and customes of the Heathen as you and they do but your mist dazels the eye of none but the willfull blind and such as are in sleepy security and in sin unturned to God who are already deceived and the eye covered or blinded by which they should see both delusion and heresie in which you and they therein agree who grow worse and run yet further from God c. For the Papists believe they shall never be free from sin here in this life and therein they are reprobate concerning the true Gospel soul-saving and purifying faith and you believe the same viz that you shall never be freed from sin here in this life and then must not you with the Papists have a purgatory seeing that nothing which is uncleane shall in any wise enter into the holy City Rev. 21.27 and the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God as it is said and by the Ambassadour of Christ declared 1 Cor. 6.9 10. and are not you reprobate concerning the true Gospel Gal. 5.20 21. soul-saving and purifying faith who denieth the property of it in denying purity of heart and abiding in darknesse and the nature opposite to the true light believing or saying you believe you cannot or shall not be free from sin here in this life and therefore are not you and the Papists both one and your faith and theirs in nature and property being dead and corrupt therein agreeth together but I deny the Papists and you the wrongers of Christ and Men and that faith which doth not purifie the heart witnesseth that faith and power which doth Act. 15.89 H●b 2.10.11 and as the Saints did as the Scripture witnesseth and God which searcheth the hearts beareth me witnesse as he did them who giveth the holy Ghost that purifieth the heart by faith and we know that we were not redeemed with corruptible things as silver and gold from that vaine conversation which had been received by tradition from your fore Fathers c. Who received Silver and Gold and did not the work which
people by casting a mist before the eyes of their understanding seeking to insinuate into them by flatteries and garnishing your flatteries with colourable glosses to cause them to think that your reviving that which hath been used amongst them with out-side Matth. 23.27 28.30 31 c. will now from you receive life to do that which it could not do neither by the Pope or Bishops nor by you their off-springs And with the Light are you seen at your witts end and troubled that you cannot have your wills fulfilled who are the enemies of the Living truth and wrongers both of men and God as you also in your Agreement acknowledge and therefore all your Evasions and Colourable glosses must fall with your Image and Imaginary worships as in your fore-fathers before you and the Ministry that stands out of mans will which you are yet Ignorant of must through the crosse cut down and crucifie and kill that which your Ministry doth not nor your fore-fathers or the Pope or Bishops before you and that Ministry which comes forth from the Light and power of the Spirit of God is for the discovering and killing of the Error Heresie and Miscariages which yours hath and doth leave people in and so as it kills that and the Ignorance Gala. 3.4 5. Eph. 2. Iohn 8.12 1 Iohn 3.8 9. 1. Pet. 1.18 19 22 23 1 Iohn 4.16 17 Iohn 14.20 it quickeneth and raiseth the soul out of death destroying the Ignorance Error Heresie and Miscariages and all the works of the Devill and so bringeth soules out of death and from under the power of darknesse to live in the life of the Eternall truth in the Injoyment of the Fathers love and to Enjoy and walke in the liberty of the Sons of God And saith John We know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding to know him that is true and we are in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ and this is true God and life eternall 1 John 5.20 Whose Ministry without your familiar personall Instruction discovereth and killeth sin Error and Miscariages which you live in unkilled and therefore out of his Minstiry who killeth that and quickeneth the other that hath suffered under it raising that and them together with it saving them by grace and causing them as they at Ephesus did to sit with Christ Jesus in the heavenly place Ephe. 2.1 2 4 5 6. For by grace were they saved ver 8th Through faith and not of themselves nor of works lest any should boast Eph 2.8 9. As Paul the Gospel-Minister doth witnesse in his Affirmation who did not as you do in your confusion set up a form of words without Spirit and Life grounded upon the Popes practice or generall Councell held at Trent or at Trull And bid people get these to say and be catechized c. And say them over to the Pope or Arch-bishops Persons Preists Rectors and Curates upon pain of damnation neither doth his words warrant you so to do Therefore are they not your warrant from God for that work Neither did Paul go and write out a few words out of the 20. Chap. of Exodus and the 6. Chap. of Matthew and set the people to get them upon pain of damnation and salvation Which words he had before you and witnessed the life in the spirit and power of Christ for the killing of Ignorannce Sin Error and Miscarriages Eph. 5.13 Eph. 6.10 11 12 13 14. Gal 2.19 20. and to quicken the mortall body Rom. 8.10 11. as well for the purifying of the heart and the soul 1 Pet. 1.22 23. Which you have shewed your Ignorance in and to be out of And therefore Pauls words is not your warrant from God who are out of that righteous life And Paul said they were delivered from the law that being dead wherein they had been held their service stood in the newnes of the Spirit and not in the oldnesse of the Letter Rom. 7.6 But your service stands in the oldnesse of the Letter and the old Law and not in the Gospel and newnesse of spirit Rom. 1.16 16. as your fruits and Agreeement doth manifest Therefore you that serve in your wills and set people to serve in theirs and in the oldnesse of the Letter without the Gospel and power of God to salvation and the newnesse of Spirit Clo. 2.21 22 23. Eph. 2.14 15 16. Rom. 1.26 you are not by Pauls words warranted from God to do it who was himself a minister not of the Letter but of the Spirit as he hath witnessed 2 Co. 3.6 c. Therefore your garnishing your selves with his words and wanting his ministery and spirit to guide in the ministration and worship of God that spirit John 4.23 24. 2 Cor. 3.17 18. you are but as founding Brasse and tinkling Cymbals being in the envy and out of love the of the Father as the false Prophets was therefore let Pauls words rest where they are 1 Cor. 13. H s 16.9 Mic. 3.11 Iude 11. till you depart from your lusts and go make restitution for the Lord is against you and all such who are yet without warrant from God for all your stealing of words to garnish your selves as your fore-fathers did But thus saith the Lord therefore behold I am against them that steal my words from his neighbour I sent them not nor commanded them Therefore they shall not profit the people at all Ier. 23.30 c. And now that you are without warrant from the Scripture being out of the life of truth and reviving your fore-fathers works taking a ground from the sixth-Generall Councell held at Trent or at Trull in the time of the Pope or Bishopps Matth. 7.15 16 17 20 22 22 26 27. ver 2. and are you not also left without warrant from them then where are you now and what ground do you stand on are you not without ground or bottom and on the Sandy foundation ready to be washed away when the floods come c. Whose fall as Christ saith therefrom is like to be great and as may be Read Math. 7.26 27. Let the Priests minde and see If they know From whence they came BEhold and see from whence you came and minde your return was not your Original I head root and foundation the Pope or Arch-bishops and Bishops amongst which was not the Bishop of Rome called the Pope Chiefe Supreame head c. Untill the time or raign of Henry the 8. Late King of England as by the Lawes of this Nation may appeare c. And the Called Arch-Bishopps and such as received Orders from them to be Priests Ministers Deacons and Clarks c. Were they not called the body Spirituall and were and are they not called the English Church c. And after the Pope was put out of Tythes and that which he had begott by Henry the 8 the Arch-Bishopps your fathers Priests Ministers Deacons Rectors Clarks
they and you pretended who took and taketh the dishonest gaine but we were redeemed by the precious blood of Christ as a lambe without blemish 1 Pet. 1.18.19 20 21 22 23. The Papists they say they believe in one God three persons in your Agreement in the exposition of the Creed you say the same but neither you nor the Papists believe in that God that freeth from sin without your tradition vaine imagination who say you are in miscariages growing worse and running yet further from Him but by what part of Scripture the Papists and you prove your three persons I know not for the Scripture speaketh not so but saith there is three witnesses which three agree in one are one Joh. 14.20 1 John 5.7.8 Joh. 7.21.22.23 he that abideth in the doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son 2 Joh. 9. and the holy Ghost remaineth within Joh. 14.15 16 17. 1 Joh. 3.24 which you have shewed your ignorance of and both of that doctrine union and faith that in the same power doth stand where the flattering and entising words of mans wisdom like yours and the Papists are judged and condemned Statute 2. Mariae 1. Chap. 3. as well as shut out by that which doth the world comprehend The Papists they call Steeple-houses Churches and there sell their inventions and brain-imaginations for their own ends deceiving soules with their traditions and vaine observations Stat of 2. 3. Edw 6. Chap. 1. who wrong them and Christ himselfe and do not you the same and such as are in ignorance of the foundamentals of true religion being ignorant of and out of the way of salvation in the vaine traditions familiar and personall instructions arising out of the miscarrying nature It seemes that which is call●d Communion or the Sacraments so called were commonly called the Masse as appeares by the Stat 2. 3. Edw. 6. Chap. 1. and are in sin and sleepy security as you and your hearers as you say are therefore in that are not you and the Papists both one The Papists they sprinkle their Infants and holds that infants baptisme as they call it came in the roome of Circumcision and you hold the same therefore in that as well as persecution and other things are not you and the Papists both one but what Scripture proofe without your imaginations have you for the same and seeing that in the order of Circumcision they did but circumcise the male Children onely and not the female and if Infants baptisme as you and the Papists affirme came into the roome why do you breake that order c. in baptising not the males onely as you call it but the femnles also what trick hath the Pope taught you and them to make a cover for that And do not the Papists worship that which they have received by tradition from their fore-Fathers and also set up an image according to their fansie and imaginary worship in their own wills and the miscarrying nature contrary to God binding all they can to submit to their fansies and worship their Image and vaine conceivings Banbury Bristoll Exetor Maidstone Colchester Bedford c and those that cannot for conscience sake towards God submit with them to the same but oppose their deceipt and false worship those they persecute and imprisson and cause them to suffer affliction distresse and necessity c. and did not you so at Kedderminster Worcester and Evesham as well as they in your nature do at Northampton Oxford and Cambridge and other places who do and have done the same Therefore in that are not you and the Papists both one or guided by one Spirit and in union together with the deceipt c and would cast it upon the innocent whom you persecute that denieth the Popes wayes and your false worships and stands a witnesse against all deceipt in Pope and Papists and all the false worshippers who are jarring and jangling about words and formalities ioyneth together to oppose and persecute the life and power of truth but it is in vaine for you to strive against the streame or hard for you to kick against the prickes Statute 1. Mary 1 Cap. 3. without getting an inward wound or mayme if not broken and dasht to peeces by so doing The Papists have sacraments and sacramentalls as they and you call them which there is no Scripture for and you have the same then wherein do you and they therein differ except in the manner and agree in the matter and so therein become one and yet you cry out of those who ranking you with the Papists deny both you and them and your will worships and the deceipt and miscarriages which you and all such live in who are wrongers of God and Men and worships their fancies formed up in the dark minde and the imaginations of their own braine and so are without Scripture proofe and warrant from God for the same as you and they therein are John Stelham Preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough as he saith in Scotland P. E. c. Doth not the Papists hold that the bread which they receive at a Sacrament so called that though it be bread before in the nature substance yet notwithstanding would they not have it to be Spirit and Life in the institution at the receiveing after their consecration and if they do so there is of those that call themselves Preachers of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland which Church you speake of that holds the same as I can produce under their hands and if you own it with them do you not go against the oath of Abjuration and also agree and joyne with the Papists therein and though you may differ in manner yet owning that is there not an agreeing in the matter and if so then do not you and the Papists agree therein and are you not one in the maine and yet are not ashamed some of your generation as well as you to accuse others for Papists and Jesuits that deny all their wayes and false worships in manner and matter and denies their deceipt and yours and stands to witnesse against the same turning that upon you and them againe that you may see your casting the name of Papists and Jesuits upon them that denies both their deceipts and yours neither proveth them to be as you say they are nor cleares your selves from the old reliques of Popery and if you take the oath to renounce it all and yet live in it are you not forsworne and perjured persons or any that do so consider well of it And what difference is there betwixt the call of the Papists Priests Mimisters Rectors and Curates c. to the Ministry which they live in and the call of you the Priests Ministers Pastors Teachers and Rectors as you call your selves to the Ministry which you live in Are not they called of men And is not your calling the same For had not they
14. 1 Joh. 5 20 Joh. 14.26 which is to Instruct and kill Ignorance and quicken the understanding by bringing the things of Christ to remembrance as Christ hath said Joh. 14.26 but wanting the Spirit you set up your personal and familiar Instruction to do it as it appeares by page 21. you Intreat them there to come for some familiar conference and personal instruction for the lesse they know and remember the more help they need and you are there calling them to come to you that are untaught to deny your Miscarriages c. And coming from the sprituall teaching to your personall Instruction they come from the true meanes and helps and that is the cause why they do not profit andy on set up your paper and personal Instruction instead of the spirit of truth which is the guide into all truth John 16.13 and the remembrancer also killing Ignorance and is the meanes that prevents and keeps from it c. but you say your Catechisme and familiar and personall Instruction is so because you are Ignorant of the same you say you observe that the younger when they are once married will come no more to be Catechised publiquely and too many forget that which before they had learned which this course you say may prevent but it hath not prevented you the personall familliar structers for running into miscarriages and doing wrong to others neither doth it lead you out of it who are therein and without pardon for the same c. and is people so silly to think it will do it in them your hearers when it hath not yet done it in you their teachers and wrongers whereby you manifest your selves to be meer deluders and also deceivers though the blind see you not yet are you seen and your wayes and windings with the true light are discovered comprehended and with the light which you act contrary unto Joh. 8 12. stoh 14.6 Joh. 15.6 Heb. 5.8 9. Heb. 7.25 are you to be condemned You say page 4. that Catechising and personall Instruction is the doctrin of salvation You speak you know not what and without understanding of the way of salvation putting that in the rome of Christ who is the way to salvation John 14.6 he is the way to the father Then your Catechisme and familiar personall Instruction is not the way for it is not Christ and no man can come to the Father but by him John 14.6 And he is perfctely able to save to the utmost all those that come unto God by him Gal. 1.9 10. Heb. 7.25 without your Catechisme or personall and familiar Instruction which is set up in your old evil and miscarrying nature Prge 19. and 29. who yet know not the way of salvation that are seting up a way of your own and turning thereby people as much as in you lieth from Christ the true way to walk in yours who are cursed Children neglecters of the work of God and in your miscarriages wanting your pardon for that and your wrong done to Christ and to men c. when you so said and then you set up your Image and stayed your time saying you would set a convenient stated time for that work in your Parishes telling people you will grant their desires and examine some privatly some openly or as they please and so manifest your selves to be men pleasers and time-servers when you will and as you will to please people for your own ends rather then lose your gain and if their soules perish you will take their moneyes and meanes and tell them on their death bed when you visit the sick that you dare not speak a word of Comfort unto them yet you dare take their money in their life time for your deceiving and dead dark dry barren and uncomfortable doctrine and now that your preaching is found so useless you cry up your Catechisme and personal familiar Instructions at a very high rate saying it is that which life or death must depend upon page 10. but what will it effect more then your preaching hath done even leave people as they was except in conceits higher and grow into Ignorance of the power of truth and way of salvation for all that when they have done as they yet are and also Ignorant of what you your solves have many years taught them whose doctrin deceives their soules and deprives them of understanding the same And if they perish in their Ignorance are not you the cause of it who sayes in page 11. you find by experience that the people understand not your publick preaching though you study to speak as plain as you can Isa 55.2 Jer. 23.30 31 32. c. but do you not take their money for the same and so for that which is not bread neither doth it profit their souls and that after many years too many you say can scarce tell any thing you have said therefore you and they may see how little they are benefited by you and what little use your studied stuffe is of and how uselesse that is which you study and invent in that old miscarrrying nature which doth deprive peoples understandings of knowing the truth and so keeps them in blindnesse and Ignorance of the onely true God And therefore as you say in page 19. you are wrongers of Christ and of them and may well fear that God will require their blood at your hands who make it manifest that you have run unsent and your ministry doth not profit the people at all And how should it be otherwise being untaught your selves to come out of your self-ends but are in the negligence of the work of God and the miscarriages c. ministring from the same spirit your fore-fathers time servers and men pleasers did Jer. 23.1.16.20 21 ver it appeares by the Statute of 25. H. 8. Cap. 21. The Pope cast out for his miscarriages and usurpation and beguiling the people c that were not the servants of Christ and now you are mainfest to be the unprofitable servants and ministry for to be accounted or rendered vselesse as theirs is or be holden accursed as it is said in Gal. 1.8 9. 2 Cor. 16.22 The Pope that had the rule amongst Tythes and such like things c. till Hen. 8. here in England was not he put out for his miscarriages and after the Pope was put out by Hen. 8. did not then the Arch-Bishops bear rule in his stead and set up Priests Rectors and Curates and did not they as you do and all their Branches as Prelates Episcopals Priests Rectors and Curates c. open their mouthes wide to speak first in their own cause and behalf to cry up themselves by the name of the Ministers of Christ as you do and did not they cry up their ministry and meanes as Jure divino but they were discovered and made manifest that they was not so And your fore-fathers the Arch-bishops Bishops c. were found in Miscarriages
and gain-sayes the Counsel of God in refusing to deny their miscarriages but only tell of them and the wrong they do to Christ and men refusing to deny the same and to amend and make restitution to whom they have wronged and cease wronging any and refusing to forsake the evil and cease persecution to turn unto God they refuse to deny their wills that they might obey the will of God and therefore such are resisters of the will of God as your untaught teachers are and the Jews in nature like them was whom Christ would often have gathered and they would not Matth. 23.27 therefore saith he ye that depart not from Iniquity Pride Coveteousnesse Vain-talking foolish Jesting will-Worships the love and honour of the world persecution and miscarriages ye will not come to me that ye might have life Joh. 5.40.44 and saith he Why call ye me Lord and do not the things that I say Luke 6.46 And whereas you say Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our debts or trespasses as we forgive our debtors or them that trespasse against us c. I say that they that Christ teacheth to pray and them that he taught that prayer and did him obey exhorted others to do so but when your wills are crost are you not ready to destroy and devour such as crosses your wills and yet you pray sort your forgivnesse upon that account and so if you do not forgive others you pray for no forgivnesse according to that account and if you would have God to forgive you as you forgive others see that you do forgive them that trespasse against you or else if you seek revenge persecute c. and do not forgive them if they do trespasse against you do you not pray that God may take vengeance of you and not forgive you when you trespasse against him because you do not forgive them that trespasse against you and prayes for your forgivnesse of God as you forgive men and so when you do not forgive them you pray that God may not forgive you but do to you as you would do to them that offend and trespasse against you and you that do not cease your persecution and also forgive them that trespasse against you you do not act according to the will of God nor regard your own words and vowes made to God in Prayer and if instead of forgiving those that trespasse against you you rather seeke their destruction and ruine do you not pray that God may destroy and ruine you and to do by you as you think to do to them and is not all this according to your Prayer Consider well of it and If you do not forgive them that trespasse against you doth it not appeare that you are not of Gods elect that you have not yet learned the doctrine of the Apostles and of Christ for saith Christ to such as he taught if you forgive men their trespasses your Heavenly Father will forgive you your trespasses Math. 6.15 And if you would follow that you might cease persecution quarrelling and jangling and put on as the elect did do bowels of mercy humblenesse of minde long suffering forbeareance forgiving one another and if any have a quarell against any even as Christ forgiveth learne of him and do ye so for the elect and such as are taught of him and abideth in his doctrine doth so Col. 3.12 13 and exhorts others to do the same but it appeares that you or such as do not so viz. forgive them that trespasse against you in obedience to the will of God and doctrine of Christ and his Apostles you show thereby that you resist the will of God and are not of the elect but out of both the doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and doth it not plainly appeare that you and persecuters that wrongs God and Christ and are not yet forgiven and therefore you do not forgive nor regard what you pray for as to performe your vowes c. Therefore doth your hypocrisie more appeare and so you make use of the Scriptures only to talke of and garnish your selves withall as the Scribes and Pharises did that you may oppose the truth and paint your selves with the words as they did but comes not to the life of truth to walk in but are shut out as they was and now it is manifest for the light is risen and sprung up in the hearts of many praised be the Lord and your deceits and deeds of darknesse must be found out and laid open the Lord hath his fanners and he will fift the Nations and the day declareth every mans work of what sort it is and now the Lord looks for fruits for that tree is cursed that makes a great show in leaves and brings forth no fruit unto Christ as the figg-tree was read and understand if you can I desire of the Lord for you that you may and to your soul's profit but let the Serpent be famished dust is his meate but the Father Almighty feedeth his Children and their soules doth taste of his Manna and knowes the daily bread and the sacrifice which is offered up and is the living sanctified soul's nourishment and daily food for which he is not only prayed unto but also praised for glory and honour be to him for evermore And when you say Lead us not into Temptation but deliver us from evill for thine is the Kingdom the power and the glory for ever Amen Concerning Temptation c. I say God doth not lead into Temptation neither doth he tempt any with evill Jam. 1.13 but he suffereth Temptations to come that he may try his Joh. 1.12 and blessed is he that endureth Temptation for when he is tried he shall receive the Crown of life which the Lord hath promised to them that love him but you are hardly sensible of a Temptation who are asleepe in security and ignorance that can scarce speak a word of sense in matters of salvation as your teachers say and in carnality deepe in the iniquity or in sin unturned to God c. but such as are convinced with the light of Christ in their consciences and are awakened out of security having their minds turned with the light from darknesse and sin towards God to wait upon him who are taught by Christ the true Teacher of his they are by him supported and taught from a true sense how to pray and they know that he whose the Kingdoms true power and glory is Math. 11.27 28. who giveth them rest doth teach them to watch and to pray that they by his power may be kept for entering into Temptation as they take his Counsel and abide therein Heb. 2.18 who himselfe was Tempted Luke 22.28 but did overcome and did not enter into the same Math. 4. who is the way to lead out such as him follow Joh. 14.6 Joh. 8.12 and obey Heb. 5.8.9 and it is no sin to be Tempted but to enter into the Temptation which