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A16571 All the examinacions of the constante martir of God M. Iohn Bradforde before the Lorde Chauncellour, B. of Winchester the B. of London, [and] other co[m]missioners: whervnto ar annexed, his priuate talk [and] conflictes in prison after his condemnacion, with the Archbishop of york, the B. of Chichester, Alfonsus, and King Philips confessour, two Spanishe freers, and sundry others. With his modest learned and godly answeres. Anno. Domini 1561 Bradford, John, 1510?-1555. 1561 (1561) STC 3477; ESTC S116578 60,488 240

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how I was certain of saluaciō of my religion Marie quod I amittinge all formalities saue y t I thācked thē for their good wil by the word of god by the scriptures I am certein of saluacion and of my religion Verye wel said quod my Lord of yorke But howe doo you knowe the worde of God and the scriptures but by the church In dede my Lorde quoth I the churche was and is a meane to bring a mā more spedely to know the scriptures and the woorde of God as was the woman of Samaria was a meane y t the Samaritains knew Christ but as when they had herd hym speake they said now we know y t he is Christ not bycause of the woordes but bycause we our selfes haue heard hym so quoth I after we come to the hearing and reading of the scriptures showed to vs and discerned by the church we doo beleue them and know them not by cause the church saith they are the scriptures but bicause they be so beinge therof assured by the same spirite whiche wrote and spake them ▪ yea quoth my lord of yorke but you know in the Apostles time at the firste the word was not written True quoth I if you meane it for some bokes of the bokes of the newe Testamēt but els for the olde testament Peter telleth vs that we haue Firmiorem sermonem Propheticum a more sure worde of prophecie Not quod I that it is simplie so but in respecte of the Apostles persons whiche beinge a liue and compassed with infirmitie attributed to the worde written more firmitie as wherewith no faulte coulde be founde whereas for the infyrmitye of their ꝑsons men perchaūce might haue founde some faulte at there perchīng Albeit in verie dede no lesse obedience faith ought to haue ben giuen to the one then to the other as being all of one spirite of truth That place of Peter quoth my Lorde of yorke is not so to be vnderstande of the worde of God written yes sir quoth I that it is and of none other yea in dede quoth my lord of Chichester maister Bradford doth tel you y e truth in that pointe Well quoth my Lorde of yorke you knowe that Ireneus and others do magnify much the churche and alledge the Churche againste heretickes and not the scriptures True quoth I for they had to do with suche heretickes as dyd denye the scriptures and yet dyd magnifie the Apostles that they were inforsed to vse those churches wherin the Apostles had taught and that churche stil had receiued the same doctrine you speake the verie truethe quoth my Lorde of Chichester for the heretickes did refuse all scriptures excepte it were a peice of Lukes gospell Then quoth I the alledginge of the churche can not be primarlye or principallye vsed againste me whiche am so farre from denyinge of the scriptures that I appele vnto them vtterlye as to the onelye iudge Io .xii. A pretye matter quoth my Lorde of yorke that you will take vppon you to iudge the Churche I praye you where was your ●hurche this manye yeres for the Churche of Chryste is Catholicke and visible Hytherto my Lorde quoth I I doo not iudge the churche when I discerne it from that congregacion those whiche be not in it And I neuer denied the church to be Catholike and visible althoughe at some times it is more visible thē at som I praye you quoth my Lorde of Chichester tel me where the churche which alowed your doctrine was this .iiii. C. yeres ▪ I will tel you my Lorde quoth I or rather you shall tell it you selfe If you will tell me where the church was in Helias time when Helias said that he was lefte alone That is no aunswere quoth my Lorde of Chichester I am more sorye you saye so quoth I But this will I tell you lordshipp that the same eies wherewith a mā might haue espied the church thē yf you nowe had them you would not saye it were no answere The fault why the churche is not sene of you is not bycause the churche is not visible but bicause your eyes are not clere ynoughe to se it you are much deceiued quoth he to make such a collation betwine the churche then now Verie well speks my Lord quoth the Byshoppe of yorke for Christes saith Edificabo ecclesiam meam I wyll buylde my churche and not I do or haue buyld it but I will build it My lord quoth I Peter taught me to make this collacion saying as in the people there was false Prophetes whiche were muche in estima●ion afore Christes comming so shall there be false teachers nowe and verye manye shall followe them And as for your futurtence I hope your grace quod I wil not exclude thereby Christs church not to haue ben before ▪ but rather that there is no buyldinge in the Churche but by Christes woorke onelye For Paule and Apollo be but waterers In good faith maister Bradford quoth my my lord of Chichester I am sorye to see you so litle to mind the churche He taketh vpon him as they al doo to iudge the church quod my Lorde of yorke A man shall neuer come to certentie that doth as they doo My Lorde quoth I take me beseche you in good part I speake simplie what I thincke and I desire reason to aunswere my obiections your affections sorowes can not by rules If that you consider the ende and cause of my condempnacion I can not thincke but that it shoulde so● thinge moue your honours you knowe it well ynoughe for you herd it no matter was layed againste me but what was gathered vppon myne one confession Bycause I denyed transubstantiacion and the wycked to receaue Christes body in the Sacramente therfore I was condempned and excommunicate but not of the Church although the pillers of the same as they be taken dyd it No quoth my Lorde of Chichester I herd say that the cause of youre prisonemente was for that you exhorced the people to take the sword in the one hande and the matocke in the other I neuer ment any suche thynge nor speake any thynge in that sorte my lord quoth I. yea quoth my Lorde of Yorke you behaued your selfe before the Counsell so stoutlye at the first that you woulde defend the Religion then and therefore worthelye were you punished your grace quoth I did here me aunswere my Lorde Chauncellor in that pointe But put the case I had ben so stote as they and your grace make it was not the lawes of y e realme on me side then wherfore vniustlie I was punished Onely transubstantiacion which was had on myne owne confession was the thing on which my lorde Chauncellor proceded you denye the presence quoth my lord of yorke I do not quoth I to the faith of the worthy receauer Why quoth he what is that thē to saye that Christe lyeth not of the alter No my lorde quoth I in dede I beleue not suche
sought his sauegard with the perill of myne owne life I thank god therefore That is not trew quoth the bishop of Lōdon for I my self did see thee take vpō thee to muche No quoth Bradforde I tooke nothinge vppon me vndesired and that of master Bourn himselfe as if he were here presēt I dare saye he woulde affirme it for hee desired me bothe to helpe him to pacifie the people and not to leaue him till he was in safety And as for my behauioure in the Towre and talk before your hohours if I did or saide any thing that did not beseme me if wherin your lordships woulde tell me I should and would shortely make you aunswer Wel quoth my lord Chancelor to leaue this matter how saist thou now wilt thou returne again and doe as we haue done and thou shalte receiue the Queenes mercy and pardon M● lorde quoth Bradforde I desire mercy with gods mercy but mercy with Gods wrathe god keepe me from althoughe I thanke God therefore my conscience doeth not accuse me that I did or spake any thīg wherfore I should nede to receiue mercye or pardon For all that euer I did or spake was agreinge to Goddes lawes and the lawes of the realm at that presēt and did make much quietnes Well quoth my lord Chancelor if thou make this bablīg rolling in thy eloquent tonge beyng altogether ignoraunt and vayne glorious and will not receyue mercy offered to thee knowe for trueth that the Quene is mynded to make a purgacion of all suche as thou arte The Lorde quoth Bradforde to fore whom I stand as well as before you knoweth what vain glory I haue sought and seke in this behalf His mercy I desire also would bee glad of the Queenes fauor to lyue as a subiecte without clogge of conscience but otherwise the lordes mercye is to me better then lyfe And I knowe quoth he to whom I haue committed my life euē to his handes which will kepe it so that no man maye take it awaye before it be his pleasure There ar 1● houres in the daie and as long as they last so long shall no man haue power theron Therfore his good will be done life in his dyspleasure is worse then death and death in his true fauour is trewe lyfe I knowe wel ynough quoth my Lorde Chauncellor that wee shoulde haue glorious talke ynough of thee be sure therefore y t as thou hast deceyued the people with false and deuilishe doctrine so shalte thou receiue I haue not deceiued quod Bradforde the people nor taught any other doctrine then by Gods grace I am and hope shall be ready to confirme with my lyfe And as for deuilishnesse and falsenesse in the doctrine I woulde bee sorye you could so proue it Why quoth the Bishop of Duresme tell me what you say by the ministracion of the communion as you now know it is My lorde saithe Bradforde here must I desire of your Lordeship and of all youre honours a question tofore I doe make aunswere to any intergatorie or question wherewith you now begin I haue bene .vi. tymes sworne y t I should in no case consent to the practysing of any iurisdiccion or any authoritie on the Bishop of Romes behalf within this realm of Englande Nowe therfore before God I humbly pray your honours to tel me whether you ask me this question by his aucthoritie or not If you dooe I dare not nor maye not aunswere you anye thyng in his aucthorite you shall demaunde of me excepte I would be forsworne whiche God forbid Hast thou bene sworne .vi. tymes quoth maister Secretarye Burne what offices haste thou borne Here is an other lie quoth my Lorde Chauncelor Forsooth quoth Bradfoode I was thryse sworn in Cambridge whē I was admitted maister of Arte when I was admitted felowe in Pēbrock Hall and when I was there the Visiters came thether and sware the Vniuersitye Agayne I was sworne when I entered into the mynisterye when I hadde a prebende geuen me and when I was sworne to serue the Kynge a litle before his death Tushe quoth my lorde Chauncelor Herodes othes a man should make no consciēce at But quoth Bradford mi lord these othes wer no Herodes othes nor no vnlawfull othes but othes according to gods woorde as you youre selfe haue well affirmed in youre boke de Vera obediētia My lords quoth an other of the counsel y t stode by the table M. Rochester I wene I neuer knewe wherfore this mā was in prison before nowe but I see wel that it had not bene good that this man had beene abrode What so euer was the cause he was laide in prison I know not but I now see well y t not without cause he was and is to be kept in prisone Yea quoth Secretarye Bourn it was reported this parliament tyme by the Erle of Derby that he hath doone more hurte by letters and exhortinge these y t haue come to him in religion thē euer he did when he was abrode by preachinge In his letters he curseth al that teacheth false doctrine for so he calleth that whiche is not accordīg to that he taught and moste earnestly exhorteth thē to whome he writeth to continue still in that they haue receiued by him and such lyke as he is All which woordes diuers others of of the counsel affirmed wherunto the saide maister Bourn added saying howe saye you serra speaking to Bradforde haue you not thus sediciouslye written and exhorted the people I haue quoth Bradford written nor spoken any thing sediciouslye and I thanke god therefore I haue not admytted any sedicious cogitacion nor I trust neuer shall dooe yea but thou haste wrytten letters quoth maister Secretary Bourne why speakest thou not quoth my lord Chauncelour hast thou not written as he saith That quoth Bradforde I haue wrytten I haue written Lorde God quoth M. Southwell what an arrogant stubburne boye is this that thus stoutlye and dallyengly behaue hymself before the Queenes coūsell whereat one looked vpon an other with disdaynefull countenaunce My lordes and masters quoth Bradforde the Lorde God whiche is and wyll iudge vs all knoweth that as I am certayne I stande nowe before his maiestye so wyth reuerence in hys syghte I stande beefore you vnto youre and accordyngly in woordes and gesture I desyre to behaue my selfe yf you otherwyse take it I doubte not but God in hys tyme wyll reuele it In the meane season I shall suffer with all due obedyence your sayinges and deedes too I hope These bee gay glorious wordes quoth my Lorde Chauncelour of reuerēce reuerence but as in al other thynges so hrrein thou doest nothyng but lye Well quoth Bradforde I would God the authour of trueth and abhorrer of lyes woulde pul my tounge out of my head before you all and shewe a terrible iudgemente on me here presentlye yf I haue purposed or dooe purpose to lye beefore you whatsoeuer you shall aske me Why then quoth my lord
Bradford did stubbernly behaue himself the last time he was before them and therfore not for any other thynge now I demaund thee of ꝙ he but of for thy doctrine religiō Mi lord ꝙ Bradforde where you accuse me of hipocrisy vain glory I must wil leaue it to the lordes declaraciō which one daie wil open yours my trueth heartye dealinges In the meane season I wil contēt my self w t the testimony of mine own conscience Which if it yelded to hipocrisy could not but haue god my foe also and so both god and man were agaynst me As for my facte at Poules crosse and behauior before you at the Towre I doubt not but god wyll reuele it to my comfort For if euer I dydde any thynge which god vsed to publyke benefite I think that y t my dede was one and yet for it I haue beene am kept of lōg time in prisō And as for letters religion I answer ꝙ Bradforde as I did the laste tyme I was beefore you There diddeste thou saye ꝙ my Lorde Chauncellour that thou wouldst stubbernli manly maintein therronious doctrine in kīg Edwardz daies My lorde ꝙ Bradforde I said the last time I was before you y t I had .6 times taken an othe y t I should neuer cōsent to the practising of any Iurisdiccion on the bishop of Rome his behalfe and therefore durste not aunswere to any thynge shoulde be demaunded so least I should be forsworn whiche God forbid Howe bee it sauyng myne othe I said that I was more confirmed in the doctrine set forth publike in kīg Edwardes daies then euer I was before I was put in prisone and so I thought I should be think yet styll I shall bee founde more ready to geue my lyfe as god wil for the confirmacion of thesame I remember wel ꝙ my lord Chācelour that thou madest muche a doe about a nedeles matter as though the othe against the B. of Rome wer so great a matter So others haue done before thee but yet not in suche sorte as thou hast done For thou pretendist a cōscience in it whiche is nothinge els but mere hipocrisie My consciēce ꝙ Bradforde is knowen to the Lorde and whether I deale here in hipocritally or no he knoweth As I saide therfore then my lord ꝙ he so saye I againe nowe that for feare lest I should be periured I dare not make answere to any thyng you shal demaunde of me yf my aunsweryng should cōsent to the practysing of any iurisdiccion for the B. of Rome here in England Why ꝙ my lord Chancelour diddest thou not begin to tel that we ar Dii and sit in gods place and nowe wilte thou not make vs aunswere My lorde ꝙ Bradforde I sayde you woulde haue your place takē of vs now as goddes place and therefore I brought foorth that pece of scrypture y t ye mighte be the more admonished to folowe God and his wayes at this presente who seeth vs all and well perceyueth whether of conscience I pretende thys matter of the othe or no. No ꝙ my my lord Chancelor al men may se thi hipocrisy for if for thine othes sake thou doest not aunswere thē wouldest thou not haue spokē as thou didst haue aunswered me at the first But now mē may wel perceiue y t this is but a startynge hole to hide thy selfe in because thou darest not aunswere and so wouldest escape blīdyng the simple peoples eies as though of cōscience you did all you doe That whiche I spake at the firste ꝙ Bradforde was not a replicacyon or an aunswere to y t you spake to me therfore I nede not to lay for me myne othe for I thought perchance you would haue more weyed what I did speak thē you did But whē I perceued you did not considre it but came to aske matter whereto by answerynge I shoulde cōsēt to the practisinge of iurisdicciō on the B. of Rome hys behalf here in Englande so bee forsworne thē of cōscience simplicitie I spake as I do yet again speak y t I dare not for conscience sake answere you and therfore I seke no startinge holes nor goe about to blind the people as God knoweth For if you of youre honor shal tel me y t you doe not aske me any thyng wherby my answering should consent to the practising to y e B. of Romes iurisdicciō aske me wherin you wil and you shal here y t I will aunswere you as flatly as euer anye did y t came before you I am not afrayde of death I thanke god for I loke haue loked for nothīg els at your hands of long time But I am afraid whē death cōmeth I should haue mater to trouble my cōsciēce by the giltines of periury therefore doe aunswer as I do These be but gaye glorious woordes ꝙ my lorde Chauncelour ful of hypocrisie and vaine glory And yet doest not thou knowe ꝙ he speaking to Bradforde y t I sit here as B. of Winchester in mine own dioces and therefore maye doe this whiche I doe and more too My lord ꝙ Bradforde geue me leaue to aske you this question that my conscience maie bee out of doubte in this matter Tel me here coram deo before god all this audyence beyng witnes that you demaund me nothing wherby my aunswering should consent to confirme the practise of iurisdiccion for the B. of Rome here in Englād and your honour shall heare me geue you as flat and as plain answers briefly to whatsoeuer you shal demaund me as euer any dyd Here the lorde Chauncellor was wonderfully offēded and spake much howe that the B. of Romes aucthoritie nede no confirmacion of Bradfordes aunsweringe nor no suche as he was And turned hys talke to the people howe y t Bradforde followed craftye couetous marchauntes which because thei woulde lende no money to theyr neighbors whē thei wer in nede would say that they had sworne ofte they would neuer lende anye more money because their credytours had so ofte deceiued thē Euē so thou ꝙ he to Bradford dost at this present to caste a mist in y e peoples eyes to bleare them with an heresie which is greatter and more hurtful to the cōmon welth pretende thine othe whereby the people mighte make a conscience where as they shoulde not Why speakest thou not quoth he My lord ꝙ Bradford as I said I say agayne I dare not answere you for feare of periury from whiche God defende me Or els I could tell you y t there is a difference betwene othes Some be according to faith and charitie as y e othe against the B. of Rome Some be agaīst faith and charitie as this to denye my help to my brother in his nede Here again y e lord Chācellor was much offēded stil saying that Bradford durst not answere and further made muche a do to proue that y e othe to y e B. of Rome was against charitie But
cānot tel how you wil stretche this woorde maintenāce I will repete again y t which I spake I said I was more confirmed in the religion set foorth in king Edwardes dayes then euer I was if god so would I trust I should declare it by geuing my life for the confirmacion and testificacion therof So I saide then so I say again now ꝙ Bradford As for otherwise to mainteine it then pertayneth to a priuate person by cōfessiō I thought not nor thinke Well ꝙ the lord Chancelor yesterday thou diddest mayntain false heresy cōcernyng y e blessed sacramēt therfore we gaue y e respite til this day to deliberate My lord ꝙ Bradford as I sayde at y e first I spake nothinge of the Sacramēt but y t which you allowed therfore reꝓued it not nor gaue me no time to deliberate Why ꝙ he diddest thou not denye Christs presence in the sacramēt No ꝙ Bradford I neuer denyed nor taught but that to the fayth whole Christs body bloud was as presente as breade wyne to the dewe receyuer yea but doest thou not beleue that Christes bodye naturallye and reallye is vnder the forme of bread and wyne My Lord ꝙ Bradforde I beleue Christ is presēt there to faith of y e dewe receyuer as for transubstanciacion I plainely and flatlye tell you I beleue it not Here was Bradford called a deuil or sclanderer for we axe no questiō ꝙ y e lord Chancelor of transubstanciacion but of Christs bodily presēce Why quoth Bradford I denye not hys presēce to the faith of the receuer but denye that he is included in y e bred or that the bred is transubstanciated If he be not īcluded ꝙ the B. of Worcester how is he then presēt Forsothe quoth Bradford my faith knoweth howe though my tōg cannot expresse it nor you otherwise thē by faith heare it or vnderstand it Heare was much a doe now one Docter starting vp speking this another that the lord Chancelor talking muche of Luther zwīglius Oecolāpadiꝰ But stil Bradford kept thē at this point that Christ is presēt to faith and y t there is no transubstanciacion nor including of Christ in the bread but al this would not serue thē Therfore an other bishop asked this questiō whether y e wycked man receiued Christes verye bodie or no Bradford answered plainly no. Where the lord Chancelor made a long oracion howe y t it could not be y t Christe was present excepte that the euill man receiue hī But Bradford put his oracion away in few woordes that grace was at y e present offred vnto his lordship although he receiued it not So y t ꝙ he y t receyuing maketh not the presens as youre lordship would affirme but gods grace trueth power is y e cause of the presence the which the wicked y t lacketh faith cannot receue And here Bradforde prayed hym not to deuorce that whiche God hathe coupled together he hathe coupled al this together take eate this is my bodye he saieth not see pepe this is my bodye but take eate Here the lorde Chancelour the reste of the Bishoppes made a great a do that Bradforde hadde founde out a toy that no man els euer did of the condicions the lord Chancelor made many words to the people here aboute But Bradford said this My lord ꝙ he are not these woordes take eate a cōmaundement and are not these woordes this is my bodye a promyse If you wil challenge the ꝓmise do not y e cōmandemēt may you not deceue your self Here the lord Chancelor denied Christe to haue cōmāded any thīg in y e sacramēt or y e vse of it Why ꝙ Bradford my lord I pray you tel the people what mode accipite manducate is it is plain to childrē that Christ in so saying cōmandeth At these wordes the lorde Chauncellor made a great toying trifling at the imperatiue mode fel to proposing or examining as though he shuld teach a child so cōcluded that it was no cōmandement but such a phrase as this I praye you geue me drink which is no commandemēt I trow But Bradford prayd him to leaue toying trifling and said thus my lord ꝙ he if it be not a commandemēt of Christ to take to eate the sacramēt why do any take vpō thē to cōmaund make of necessity that which god leueth free as you do in making it a necessary commandemēt that once a yere for al that be of lawful discrecion to receiue the sacramēt Here the lord Chancelour calleth him againe Diabolus or slaunderer so began out of these woordes let a man proue himself so eate of the bread the bred ꝙ Bradford and drink of the cup that was no cōmandemēt for then ꝙ he if it wer a cōmandemēt it should bynde al men in al places at al tymes O my lord quoth Bradford discerne betwene cōmandementes some be generall that thei binde alwaies in all places and all persones some be not so generall as this is of the supper The sacramente of Baptism of the appearing before the lord at Ierusalē Abrahās offring Isaac Here the lord Chancelor said what say you that Baptisme is cōmanded thē quoth he we shal haue .xi. cōmandementes In dede quoth Bradford I think you thinke as you speake for els you would not take the cup from the people seyng y t Christe sayeth drink of it al. But howe saye you my lord quoth Bradford Christe sayth to you bishops specially ite predicate euangelium goe preache the gospel fede Christes flocke is this a cōmandement or not Here was the lord Chancelor in a great chafe said as pleased him Another I wene the B. of Durham asked him when Christ began to bee present in the sacrament whether before the receyuer receiued it or no Bradforde answered that the questiō was curious not necessary further said as the said cup was the new testamēt so the bred was Christs body to him that receiueth it duely But yet so y e bred is bred for in al y e scripture ye shal not find this proposiciō non est panis ther is no bred so he brought forth s Chrisostō Si in corpore essemus Summa much a do was here about thei calling Bradford heretike he desired them to procede a gods name he loked for y t whiche god appointed thē to do Loe ꝙ the lord Chancelor this felowe is now in a nother heresy of fatal desteny as though all thynges wer so tyed together y t of mere necessitie al thinges must come to passe But Bradford praide him to take things as they were spoken not wreste them into a contrary sence your lordshippe quoth hee doth discerne betwixt god and manne things are not by fortune to god at any time thoughe to man they seme so some times I ꝙ Bradforde spake but as the Apostles spake lord ꝙ he see howe Herode