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A07698 A dyaloge of syr Thomas More knyghte: one of the counsayll of oure souerayne lorde the kyng [and] chauncellour of hys duchy of Lancaster. Wherin be treated dyuers maters, as of the veneration [and] worshyp of ymages [and] relyques, prayng to sayntys, [and] goyng o[n] pylgrymage. Wyth many othere thyngys touching the pestylent sect of Luther and Tyndale, by the tone bygone in Sarony, and by tother laboryed to be brought in to Englond; Dyaloge of dyvers maters More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535. 1529 (1529) STC 18084; ESTC S104969 282,100 256

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thy wōbe bryng forth a chylde and thou shalt call his name Iesus she answerd hym how may thys be for as for man I know none whych though yt be spoken but for the tyme than present yett muste yt nedys sygnyfy that she neuer wolde knowe none after the maner of spekynge By whych a nunne myghte say as for man there medelyth none with me sygnyfieng that neuer there shall And in commen speche ys that fygure mych in vse By which a woman sayth of one whom she is determynyd neuer to mary we maye well talke to gether but we wed not to gether meanyng that they neuer shall wed to gether And in such wise ment our lady whē she sayd how may thys be for I know no man meanyng that she neuer wolde medle wyth man Or els had her answere no thyng bene to purpose For the angell sayd not Lo thou art cōceyuyd which yf he had sayde shee myghte well haue maruelyd onely for that she knew no man all redy But when he sayd thou shalte cōceyue thys coud be no maruell vnto her for that she knew no man all redy And therfore syth she maruaylyd how it myghte be that euer she shuld cōceyue haue a chylde it muste nedys bee that her answer mēt that she neuer wold medle with man And therefore shee maruelyd because he said it shuld be she knew not how it coude be but that ways by whych she was at full poīt with her self that it shuld neuer be so that thē he shewyd her how it shuld cū about by the holy gost cūmyng into her the power of god on hygh shadoyng her thē she assētyd sayd Lo here the handmayd of god be yt done to me after thy worde as thou tellyst me And thus appereth yt euydently that she had than a full determinyd purpose of vyrgynyte And that as it semith such as she thought not lawfull to change For ellys whā the angell did the message she might haue enclined therto though she had byfore bene in a nother minde Now whan she had then so full faste a purpose of ꝑpetuall vyrginite bifore the birthe of her blessyd chylde whiche cam among his other heuinly doctrine to call and exorte the worlde frome all pleasure of the fleshe to the purytye clennes of the body and soule and from the desyre of carnall generacyō to a gostly regeneracion in grace more● were it then wonder if she shul● haue thē more regarde of fleshely delyte or cure of wordly procreacyon than euer she had before her celestyall concepcyon of her maker made mā in her blessed womb Or what man coud thynk yt that euer god wold suffer any erthly man after to be conceyuyd in that holy closet taken vp and consecrate so specyally to god Thys reuerent artycle of our ladys perpetuall vyrgynyte the chyrche of Cryste beyng taught the trouthe by Cryste perpetually hath beleuyd syns the tyme of Cryste And yet is ther no worde therof in Crystys gospell wryten but rather dyuers textys so sownning to the contrary that by the wrōg vnderstangyng of them the heretyke Eluydyus toke the occasyon of hys herysy by whych he wold that oure lady after the byrth of Cryst had other chyldern by Ioseph How can we than say that we could wythout the lernynge of the fayth before fynde out all the poyntys in the scrypture when there be sū that all crystendome beleue ād beleue them self bounden to beleue wherof the scrypture geueth no playne doctryne but rather semyth to say the contrary ¶ But as I began to say the holy appostels beynge taughte by theyr grete master Cryste did reche vnto the chyrch as well the artycles of the fayth as the vnd●rstandyng of such textys of scrypture as was meete and conuenient for the matter wherby it is not vnlykly that the gospell of saynt Iohn the epistels of saynt Poule were than beter vnderstanden among the comen people thā they be paraduenture now wyth some that take them selfe for greate clerkys And as thappostels at that tyme taughte the people so dyd euer some of them that hard thē tech forth and leue theyr doctryne and tradycyons to other that cā after By resō whereof not onely cam the rytys and sacramentys and the artycles of our fayth frō hād to hand frō Cryste his appostels vnto our days but also the greate parte of the ryghte vnderstandynge of holy scrypture by good and godly writers of sundry tymys By whose good holesome doctryne set forthe by they re vertew wyth goddys good inspyracyon grace and h●lp of the holy goste we haue also the knowlege parceyuynge what was the fayth of Crystys church in euery tyme syns And thereby parceyue we that these hereti●ys be not only barkers agaynst the fayth that now is but also that hath bene euer synnys Cryste dyed ¶ And therefore is holy scrypture as I sayd the hyest the best lernynge that eny man can haue yf one take the ryght way in the lernynge ¶ It ys as a good holy saynte saythe so maruelously temperyd that a mouse may wade therin and an olyphaunt be drownyd therin For ther is no mā so low but if he will seke his way wyth the staff of his faith in hys hande and holde that faste and serche the way therwyth and haue the olde holy fathers also for his gidis goynge ō wyth a good purpose a lowly harte vsyng reason and refusinge no good lerninge with calling of god for wysdome grace help that he may well kepe his way and follow his good gidys thā shall he neuer fall in parell but well and suerly wade thorow and cum to suche ende of his iorney as him self wolde well wyshe But suerly if he be as long as Longius haue an hye harte and truste vppon hys one wytt as he doth loke he neuer so louly that settethe all the olde holy fathers att noughte that fellow shall not fayle to synk ouer the eris and droune And of all wreches warst shall he walke that forcīg litle of the fayth of Christꝭ church cūmeth to the scrypture of god to loke and trye therin whyther the chyrche by leue a right or not For either douteth he whyther Chryste teche hys chyrche trew or ellys whyther Chryste techeth it at all or not And thā he doutith whither Christ ī his wordis did say trewe whan he sayde he wolde be wythe hys chyrch tyll the ende of the worlde And surely the thynge that made Arrius Pelagius Faustus Manicheꝰ Donatꝰ Eluidius all the table of the old herytikes to drown them self in those dāpnable herysyes was nothynge but hygh pride of they re lernynge in scrypture wherin they folowed there owne wyttys and lefte the cōmen faythe of the catholyke chyrche preferrynge they re own gay glosys bifore the ryght catholyke fayth of all Christis chirch which cā neuer erre in eny substāciall poynte that god wolde haue vs boundē
cleue therto as though ye were sure by your confidence in god that his grace had inclined your assēt to the surer syde But sith he hath shewyd yow playnely by reasone that he hathe geuyn hys chyrch in all such thyngꝭ knowlege of the trouthe ye wyll take the sure way and put your self out of all perplexitie yf in the poynte yt self the scryptures that touch it ye take for the truth that way that the chyrch tecythe you therī how so euer the mater seme bysyde vnto your selfe or to eny man els The .xxix. chapyter ¶ The author proueth by scrypture that god instructethe the chyrche of Chryste in euery trouthe necessaryly requesyte for our saluacyon TRuly q he ye wynde yt well aboute But yet ye made as though ye wolde haue shewed that god had in scrypture told me that he had euer wold tell hys chyrch the trouthe in all suche maters And now ye brynge yt to the poynte not y● holy scrypture tellythe me the tale but mānys reasō And suerly as I shewed you byfore I dare not well truste reasone in maters of fayth of holy scrypture ¶ I bygane quod I to proue yt you by scrypture and ye than put me out in the bygynnyng How be yt thys reason hath scrypture for hys foundacyon and grounde And thogh yt sum what bilde farther theron yet is it not reason alway to be mystrusted where fayth standyth not agaynst it nor god sayeth not the contrary Excepte reasō be so farr out of credēce with you that ye wyll not nowe byleue hym yf he tell you that twyse twayne make foure I wene ye wyll fare by reson as one dyd ōs by a ●alse shrew he sware that he wold not for xx.li heere hym say hys crede For he knew him for such a lyer that he thoght he shuld neuer bileue hys crede after yf he hard yt onys of his mouth How be yt quod I lett vs yet see whyther god hym self in scrypture tell you the same tale or no. God tellyth you in scrypture that he wold be wyth his chirch to the ende of the worlde I thynke ye dowte not therof but those wordys he spake to the hole chyrch that than was and that euer shal be from thappostels dayes cōtinued tyll the ende of the world ¶ That ī good fayth quod he must nedys be so Thā were thys ī good fayth ynough quod I for oure purpose syth no mā dowte●h wherfore he wyll be with his chyrch excepte we shulde thynke that he wolde be therwythe for nothynge wherefore shulde he be wyth yt but to kepe yt preserue yt wyth thassystence of hys gracyous presēte from spyrytuall myschiefe specially and of all other specyally from infidelytie and from idolatrye whych was the specyall thīg from whych he called hys chirch owt of the gentyllys whych els as for morall ver●ews polytycall yf they had nott lackyd the ryght cause and ende of referrynge they re actys to god were many of them not far vnder many of vs. Let vs go ferther Doth he not ī the .xiiii xv and .xvi. chapyter of saynte Iohn̄ agayn and agayne repete that after his goyng he wyll cum agayne to theym And sayth he wyll not leue them orphanys as fatherles chyldern but wyll cū to them agayn hym selfe Let vs adde now therunto the wordys bifore rehersed that he wylbe wyth theym tyll th● worldes ende and yt aperyth playne that he mente all thys by hys hole chyrche that shulde be to the worldes end ¶ whā he sayd vnto thē I call you frendꝭ for all that I haue harde of my father I haue made knowene to you he spake as to hys perpetuall chyrch and not to thapposteles alone but if he sayed to them alone these wordys also I cōmaunde that ye loue eche other so that none shuld loue eche othere after but onely they Now leste the thyngys that he taught theym shulde by the chyrch after be forgoten whych was more to be dowted than of theym self that hard it he sayd vnto theym also These thyngys quod he haue I spoken to you abidinge here wyth you But the ●omforter whych is the holy goste whō me father shall send ī my name he shall tech you all thyng and he shall put you in mynde and rememberaunce of all thyng that I shall haue sayd vnto you So that here ye se that he shall agayn alway tech the chirch of new the olde lessons of Chryst. And he sayed also to theym that thys comforter thys holy gost y● spyryte of trouth shulde be sente to abide wyth them for euer whych can not be mente but of the hole chyrche For the holy gooste was not sente hyther into the erthe here to dwell wythe the appostels for euer for they dwelled not so long here Now yf the spryte of trouthe shall dwell in the chyrche for euer how cā the chyrche erre in perceyuynge of the trouthe in such thyngys I mene as god wyll bynd thē to know or shal be necessary for theym to know For onely of such thīgꝭ mēt oure lord whan he sayed that the holy goste shall teche theym all thynge For as saynte Poule sayeth the manife●●acyon and shewynge of the spyryte ys to the vtilitie profyt This holy spyrite also was not promysed by our sauiour chryst that he shulde onely tell hys chyrch agayne hys wordes but he sayd ferther I haue quod he besydes all thys many thynges to say to you but ye be not able to bere theym now But whā he shall cum that is the spyryte of trouth he shall lede you in to all trouthe Lo our lord sayed not that the holy goost shuld write vnto his chyrch all trouth but that he shuld lede theym by secrete insperacyon and inclynacyon of theyr hartes in to all trouth in whyche must nedes be conceyued bothe informacyō and ryghte byleue of euery necessary artycle and of the ryght and trew sēse of holy scrypture as farre as shall be requysyte to conserue the chyrche from eny dampnable errour ¶ Now whan the holy goost shall by goddes ꝓmyse be for thys purpose abydynge in the chyrch for euer and Chryste hym selfe hath also sayd that he wyl not leue hys chyrch as orphanys but wyll cum hym selfe be wyth yt vnto the ende of the world and sayeth also that hys father ys in hym and he in hys father and that hys father and he be bothe one thynge not bothe one persone but bothe one substaunce and wyth the holy gooste bothe one god than must yt nedes folow that to the worldys ende there ys wyth the chyrch resydent the hole trynytye whose assystence beynge to the chyrche perpetuall how can yt at any tyme fall from trew fayth to false errous and heresyes The .xxx. chapyter ¶ where as the messēger had thought byfore that yt were herde to bylyue any thyng certeynly saue holy scrypture though the chyrche dyd agre therin and commaunde yt the Authore sheweth