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A59956 The universality of the light which shines in darkness asserted, and the notions & opinions of Jeremiah Ives (divulged the 24th of the 2d moneth, 1674, in the market place at Crayden in the county of Surrey) detected &c. written and published ... by William Shewen. Shewen, William, 1631?-1695.; Stubbs, John, 1618?-1674. 1674 (1674) Wing S3426; ESTC R21692 18,539 30

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love the Darkness will be just and God and Christ will be clear in the Day of his Judgment Opinion George Whitehead and William Gibson are not enlightened with the Light of Christ though I grant that there is a Light in every man which is Divine yet not the Light of Christ Aas If J. Ives did believe in the Light were obedient to the Light of Christ wherewith he himself is lighted he would be of another Mind but this sore Evil is very nigh him to conclud● as the Jews did of Christ in another Case If this Man were of God he would keep the Sabbath Joh. 9.16 So it seems to be in this Mans Mind to conclude that these Men are not enlightned with the Light of Christ because they are not Baptist● as he is and are not one with his Profession and Fellowship for it is the Nature and Property of every Sect to mea●ure and judge all by their own narrow Spirits and Notions the Righteous met with this Mea ure and Judgment in all Ages from Ab●l to Zacharias and from Zacharias to John the Divine and down to this Age. M●ltitude of Examples might be produced and a Cloud of Witnesses found throughout the holy Scriptures to witness to this Thing But G. W. and W. G. are not only men come into the World and therefore lighted with the Light of Christ according to the Testimony of John the greatest Prophet that was born of a Woman but also are Men chosen out of the World to bear Witness to the true Light and have turned the Minds of many from Darkness to the true Light in which they walk and dwell and are Children of Therefore thy Opinion or Conceit is judged to be the Off-spring of that Darkness in which thou dwellest notwithstanding thou talkst of Light and supposest thy self to be a Child of it but see whether the Spirit of God or the Manifestation of it in thee bears Witne's to thy Spirit that thou art indeed what thou thinkest and professest thy self to be This Counsel if by thee taken can do thee no Harm As to the latter part of this Notion I have spoken to it already Opinion I d●ny that the Light of God is one with the Light of Christ the Father and Son are Relatives but not one the Light of the Father Son and Spirit are Divine but not one If thou hadst the Mind of Christ as the primitive Christians had thou wouldst not speak after this manner Christ's Testimony was John 14.9 10 11. That he and his Father were one And what signifies thy Denyal And that the Father was in him and he in the Father And John's witnesseth John 1. That the World was made by him and without him was nothing made that was made And he was in the Beginning with the Father from Everlasting glorified with the Father before the World began manifested in the fulness of time in a prepared Body but was before it and seen and prophesied of by the Evangelical Prophet Isaiah to be the Wonderful Counsellor the Mighty God the Everlasting Father the Prince of Peace the Emanuel God with us In these Scriptures their Names are one their Work one their Nature one then how comes their Light to be two and yet both Di●ine And they are such Relatives as differ more in Manifestation and Despensation then in Light Life Nature and Being but these things are too high for thee for what thou knowest of them is Natural and Traditional and hadst thou Acquaintance with a Measure of the same Spirit of Prophecy which was in Is●iah thou wouldst be ashamed of thy nice and carnal Distinctions yet the least in the Kingdom is greater then he Opinion That which is Divine in God becomes Natural when given to men Answ I know not but thou mayst be called the Father of this Whin sey or Vain Conceit Whisher will the Deceitfulness of thy foolish Heart carry thee 'T is strong Delusion indeed to believe Lyes so contrary to Scripture and Right Reason Where didst thou learn that the Gifts of God which are Perfect Divine and Spiritual become Natural when given to Men I suppose by men thou meanst not all men but wicked men and not the righteous that would be gross and absurd indeed so I am willing to take thy Notion by the best End But what Scripture is thy Rule for this Did the Talent the Sloathful Man had given him change its Nature and Property by being ty'd up and hid in the Earth Did his Good Spirit which he gave to those that rebell'd against it become Natural Doth the Light which is the Gift of God and Spiritual which shineth in Darkness become Natural or Darkness in it self or alter its Nature and Property Doth the Spirit of Truth which Christ sends to Comfort his Disciples and to convince and reprove the World for Sin change its Nature from being the Spirit of Truth because sent and given into the World Surely thou mayst see it a vain Imagination of thy own Head that neither the Scriptures thy pretended Rule nor thy own Experience can justifie For that holy Manifestation of the Spirit in thee which searcheth thy Heart and tryeth thy Reins and consenteth not to thy vain Thoughts idle Words and sinful Actions is the Gift of God to thee and is perfect pure divine and spiritual and hath kept its Nature pure and uncorrupt and will remain so as a Witness for God against thee if thou joyn not to it and become one with it and so be born of it This is the Word of Truth to thee whether thou wilt receive it or no. Opinion Some in the World are without Christ therefore some in the World are without the Light of Christ Answ This is answered already in what goes before yet a few words more Christ is said to stand at the Door of mens Hearts and Knock Is not the Door of men's Hearts within them And if he stands there he is not far off them yet they not opening to him are said and that truly to be without him and in the World and they do not know that Christ is in them therefore they are Reprobates Yet in this state of being without Christ in the World in Darkness and Reprobation the true Light shineth as hath been already signified at large and the Darkness is so far enlightened by it as that the Worker of Iniquity cannot hide himself And though some are without God in the World yet God is not so far without them but that he searcheth their Hearts and tryeth their Reins and sheweth unto man his Thoughts and God Christ is in the World but this is the Misery of the World that it knows him not Blessed are those that believe in the Light which revealeth him and leads to the Knowledge of him in whom are hid all the Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge to whom be Glory forever Amen W. S. Forasmuch as J. Ives and some others judge we put more Weight and strain that Saying in the first of John vers the 9th beyond what it is able to bear this following is added OUr Proof of what we affirm in matter of Doctrine is not from the Etymology of Words nor barely from the Testimony of the Holy Men recorded in the holy Scriptures though they bear witness thereto And our Doctrine Practices and whole Conversation as we walk in that Light Grace and Spirit of God from whence holy Men wrote them is born witness unto by them and therein we have Unity with the Holy Scriptures and receive the Comfort of them they being written for our Learning who have believed in and received the Gift of God of whom they testifie And others who receive not this Gift of God though they may read and profess the Scriptures and cry them up in words c. yet have they not Unity with them nor with the Spirits of those Just Men that wrote them neither do receive the Comfort of them nor are learned and made wise unto Salvation by them This is a Word of Truth that may and doth concern all Sects in Christen dom to confider And that we do not over-strain the Words of John's Testimony in the first Chapter and 9th Verse when we say write print and preach Lighten Enlighten Enlighteneth or Giveth Light to every man coming into the World I have here set before thee how that Verse is read in divers Natural Tongues or Languages The Latin Version to the Syriack hath it thus the Syriack word is Manhar Erat enim is lux veritatis quae illuminat omnem hominem venientem in mundum The English For even he was the Light of Truth which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the World The Latin Version to the Porsiack thus Lux vera venit unicuique qui in mu● do est lumen praebeat Thus in English The true Light is come to give Light to every one that is in the World Elias Huter in his Novum Testamentum Harmonicum useth the word Illuminat Enlighteneth And in Hs Doctionary the Greek word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Photizein to give Light or lighten The Hebrew word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Haer to give Light or lighten The High Dutch Leuchten to gave Light or lighten 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heir to Enlighten 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Epiphainein to Enlighten Illuminare to Enlighten High-Dutch Erleuchten to Enlighten In the Arabick thus Neque vero erat ipse lux sedut testaretur lumini qued erat lumen verum quod ●lluminat 〈…〉 The word is Pasijo illuminat enlighteneth or doth enlighten or giveth Light In English thus Neither was he himself the Light but that he might witness to the Light which was the true Light which enlighteneth every man The Ethiopick has it thus the word is Zajabarh Et is est lux justitiae quae illuminat om●●m hominem veniontem in mundum In English And he is the Light of Righteousness which enlighteneth or doth ●●lighten every man that cometh into the World Multitudus of Examples might be produceed out of other Translations but sufficient being extant already by another Pen I forbear to enlarge I have ravelled in Europe Africa and Amcrica and never met with any Priest or other except one called a Baptist in Rhed-Island in New-England that made any Cavil or Contention about using the word enlighten or enlighteneth or giveth Light c. instead of lighteth J. S. THE END
all men the true Christians were taught by it others walked despightfully to the Spirit of Grace and turned from it into W●ntonness Also A Manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal One Talent at least is given to improve though Thousands answer not the End of the Lord who is the Giver thereof Life and Death Good and Evil is set before all men and the Lord is present and ready with his Wisdom and Power to enable men to chuse Life and Good and to eschew Death and Evil. But how men are said to be Darkness and to walk in it notwithstanding the True Light shines in them is a Mystery to the cunning Wit of men which cannot comprehend the Possibility thereof and are ready to cry out If all are lighted with the Light of Christ which is in it self a saving Light then why are not all men saved If all have a measure of this Light in them how can any be said to be Darkness And if this Light in it self be sufficient to lead to the true Teacher what need hath Christ to send forth a Ministry and what 's the End of your Preaching and Printing of Books c. if all men have a Light sufficient in them This hath been the Cry of the Spirit of this World which savours not the Things of God Now such Ministers which Christ sent and sends forth were and are sent to open the Eyes of the Gentiles and to turn their Minds from the Darkness to the Light and from the Power of Satan to the Power of God that they might receive Forgiveness of Sin and Inheritance among the Saints c. They had Eyes before though shut and Light before though their Minds were not turned to it nor exercised by it but by the Darkness and by the Power of Satan and so walking in this Darkness they stumbled and Mankind being in this State joyned to the Power of Satan and to Darkness is called Darkness notwithstanding the Light shines in it as the holy Scriptures fully evidence Now this Darkness and Power of Satan was and is inward within People and this Light and Power of God was also inward within People For it would be very absurd and ridiculous to imagine that Christ's Ministers were sent to turn the Minds of People from outward Darkness to an outward Light the Darkness and Power of Satan was spiritual and inward and the Light and Power of God was spiritual and inward and the pure Mind they were to stir up was within People Now though they walked in Darkness and sat in the Region and Shadow of Death and saw no Light by Reason that the Eye was shut and the Mind turned another Way though it was nigh they did not see it so as to have the Benefit of it or to believe in it because the Clouds of Error Ignorance and Unbelief were so thick and gross in them that though the light shined so far in them as to convince and reprove them for Evil yet they could not comprehend it or believe in it as a Light in that State but rather accounted Light Darkness and Darkness Light as many in this Age do Now when this Light shined out of Darkness and dispersed the Clouds and gross Fogs that were before their Understandings by means of Christ's Ministry then begun the Work of Regeneration then they became as new-born Babes desiring the sincere Milk of the Word then the Work of Christ's Ministers was as Fathers to cherish them and feed them with Food convenient and as it were lead them by the Hand till they grew strong Men c. And to effect this they travelled among them from City to City and from one Country to another to confirm them and establish them in the Light Power and holy Truth or Gospel of Christ Jesus which their Minds were turned to And this is the Work and End of Christ's Ministry now which we are made Partakers of And this is the End we have in writing printing and preaching for though all have one Talent at least yet Exhortation is needed that Improvement may be made according to the Ability given and that Men receive the Grace and Love that ●s tendered and make use of the Means given and appointed of God to lead to Salvation and this was and is the Work of the Ministry even to perswade Men to be reconciled to God who is Light and dwells in the Light and is not far from every one as a Light ready to lead them out of the Paths of Darkness though till their Minds are turned from the Darkness to which they are joyned and in which they walk and dwell they cannot see him Opinion That the Light which lighteth every man is not the Light of Christ yet it is a Divine Light This is a Piece of Ignorance and Contradiction not of the east Magnitude It is common with the Builders of Mystery Babylon grosly to err and mistake and be confused in their Language and the clamorous Woman pulls down her House with her own hands What! Grant that every man is lighted with a Divine Light but not with the Light of Christ How many sorts of Divine Light are there Is not the Light of Christ Divine What thou mayst form as a cunning Artificer by way of Argument to prove this Nice Carnal Corrupt Distinction will prove like a Castle built in the Air or vain Imagination and fall upon the Head of him that builds it For the whole Current of the Scriptures comprehends things under two Heads Good and Evil Light and Darkness Life and Death Heavenly and Earthly Spiritual and Natural Old and New Holy and Polluted Divine Nature Sinful and Corrupt Nature c. Now Divine Nature is the same with Divine Light Holy Heavenly Pure and Spiritual And it was by this Nature the Gentiles did those things contained in the Law c. they did them not by the corrupt Nature for that leads all that are in it further into Transgression and Breach of all the Law of God and as that is given way unto razeth out and demolisheth the Law in the Heart And how J. I. can set forth a Divine Holy Heavenly Spiritual Light wherewith men are lighted and shew that this Divine Light is not the Light of Christ I judge is a Mystery to himself unknown for I cannot find neither in the Scripture nor among Holy Men a President for the like Doctrine so for ought I know he may be called the Father of this Vain Conceit or Notion Opinion There is a Natural Light in all men which may shew them Sin and this Natural Light is Divine for every Gift of God is perfect therefore Divine Ans This Conceit or Opinion differs not much from the former only in this thou acknowledgest that this Light wherewith every man is lighted is able to shew or convince men that Sin is Sin now what that is that makes manifest and convinceth of Sin the Scriptures