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A19164	The attestation of the most excellent, and most illustrious lord, Don Carlos Coloma, embassadour extraordinary for Spayne. Of the declaration made vnto him, by the lay Catholikes of England concerning the authority challenged ouer them, by the Right Reuerend Lord Bishop of Chalcedon. With The answere of a Catholike lay gentleman, to the iudgment of a deuine, vpon the letter of the lay Catholikes, to the sayd Lord Bishop of Chalcedon.	Coloma, Carlos, 1573-1637.; Baltimore, George Calvert, Baron, 1580?-1632. Answere of a Catholike lay gentleman to the judgement of a devine. aut	1631 (1631)	STC 5576; ESTC S117323	60,660	174

of the questions in controuersy between vs my Lord Bishop of Chalcedon touching the pretended Authority and iurisdiction chalenged by his Lordship ouer vs which that it might the more plainly appeare we iudged it not only expedient but also necessary to declare our minds by this way course that we haue taken THE ATTESTATION I IOHN Mallery Gentleman do witnes and testify that I was present at London in the House of the most Excellent most Illustrious Lord Don Carlos Coloma extraordinary Embassadour for the King of Spaine the 3. day of March 1631. stylo nouo when as sundry Catholike Noblemen and others of quality there present did produce written in latin the Declaration Reasons and Letter heere aboue set downe All which being distinctly pronounced in presence of the forsayd Embassadour and all and euery thing therein expressed for as much as belongeth to the Cōtrouersy concerning the pretēded Authority of the Right Reuerēd Lord Bishop of Chalcedon ouer the Lay Catholikes of England the forsayd Gentlemen and Noblemen declaredfully and perfectly to conteyne the sense and meaning not only of themselues there present but in effect of all others whome they knew and namely of many Earles Vicounts Barons other men of Quality whome they named vnto the sayd Embassadour And they declared themselues to notify vnto him the mynd and sense of them all to be fully expressed in the sayd Declaration Reasōs Letter and that they had receaued full power Authority from them so to do And the Embassadour himselfe did then openly professe to haue vnderstood the same things from many of those Lay Catholikes whome they had named nor did he doubt at all of the truth of the whole matter which he tooke vpon him as they requested to make publicke Iohn Mallery THE aboue named Iohn Mallery Gentleman of the English Nation appearing personally before the Maior Magistrates and Griffiers of the Citty and Territory of Saint Winocks-Berge in the West-County of Flanders did vpon Oath affirme the things aforesayd and in testimony thereof in our presence subscribed signed the same In Witnes whereof we appointed the Seale vsed in Causes of our forsayd Citty and Territory to be set vnto this present Writing and to be subscribed by the Griffier our Notary This 15. day of March 1631. Locus ✚ Sigilli Joannes Hardunius THE ATTESTATION Of the most Excellent and most Illustrious Lord Don Carlos Coloma D. Carlos Coloma Knight of the Military Order of S. Iames Commendador of Montyelo Ossa of the Counsell of State and Warre to his Sacred Catholike Maiesty Captaine Generall of his Armyes in the Low Countreys c. We do witnesse and testify whilst of late we resided as Embassadour Extraordinary in the Court of the Renowned King of Great Brittaine the forsaid Declaration to haue byn exhibited vnto vs in our House at Londō the 3. day of March of this present yeare 1631. by many lay Catholikes of chiefe rāke in their Countrey and the same to haue byn approued and confirmed by diuers English Noblemen by word of mouth as well in their owne as in the Name of others in which respect we ratify the Attestation of M. Iohn Mallery an English Gentleman added vnto the end of the said Declaratiō being in like māner also authentically confirmed by the Magistrate of S. Winocks-Berge in witnesse of the truth of all and euery the premises as they were done we haue heereunto put our hand and seale Giuen at Bruxells the 2. day of April in the yeare of our Lord 1631. Don Carlos Coloma Locus ✚ Sigilli By Command of my most Excellent Lord. Fran. Schelen Printed at Bruxells by the widdow of Hubert Antony sworne Printer at the signe of the Golden Eagle neere to the Pallace M. DC XXXI THE ANSVVERE OF A CATHOLIKE LAY GENTLEMAN To the Iudgement of a Deuine vpon the Letter of the Lay Catholikes to my Lord Bishop of Chalcedon By L. B. Anno M. DC XXXI THE PREFACE to the Reader GENTLE READER Lighting of late vpon a litle writtē Treatise intituled The Iudgmēt of a Deuine vpō the 3. Gentlemens Letter to my Lord Bishop of Chalcedon I tooke and read it thinking to find somewhat more then Ordinary in it For hauing heard much talke of that matter being now in euery mans mouth seene also something written but not to much purpose now finding a Booke with the Title of a Deuine I presumed he would say something more then others had done But whē I came to read him I found him but like other men of his owne syde and particulerly so like the Lay Gentleman T. M. his Iudgement vpon the same Letter that I began to thinke it might be the very same man the style discourse and as I may say spirit wherewith both are written being the same And that because then that seeming to be but some Lay Gentlemans doing men made small account of it not vouchsafing it so much as one word of answere Now the same party would speake a little lowder to be heard writing ouer the same somewhat more dilatedly and inserting a little Latin in some places and taking vpon him the person of a Deuine for the substance of both is the same and accusing worthy Catholique Gentlemen of Passion Temerity Pretense of daunger Partiality to Regulars want of respect to Episcopal Authority and the like and all this vttered with so litle reason truth on the one side and so much gall and bitternes on the other as that I could not but be sorry and ashamed to see such a thing with the Title of a Deuine For if such manner of writing ill be seeme any Christian mā how much worse a Deuine who is to be a light of the world teaching men sobriety and temper by word and example hauing truth and reason with him in what he sayth and writeth and deliuering it in such sort as the manner may not betray the matter by shewing any distempered affection For euen that will much derogate from his writing though what he writeth should otherwise be true For euery man knoweth what a myst Passion is wont to cast before mens eyes and how hard it is for a passionate man to speake truth and nothing but truth And this is so much more daungerous where it concerneth the credit reputation of other men which how nice a point it is and how soone how grieuously a man may offend in it no Deuine can be ignorant and especially when the party discouereth but so much of himselfe as may gayne himselfe credit and thereby giue more force to the slaunder or imputation as the wryter doth stiling himselfe Deuine and on the other syde so concealing his particuler person that the partyes grieued know not of whome to complayne nor where to haue remedy And whereas it was to be expected of a Deuine that he should handle the matter substantially and solidly I found no such thing heere but euen the very mayne Question

Bishop they saw it was a needles thing to mention it being a knowne point of Christian duty not to heare any man ill spoken of much lesse a Bishop if they should chāce to meete with any such discourse which they neuer do they and their friends abhorring such way of proceeding The second proofe of passion is because the Bishop offering further satisfaction concerning his Authority to any man that would aske it these Gentlemen did not aske it It is true indeed hauing seene my Lord Bishops publique clayme of that Authority it was no tyme for thē to go and aske a priuate glosse or Declaration which would little auaile them when such a Letter should be brought against them But let this Deuine aske my L. Bishop Whether he were neuer desired to make it knowne what Authority he had I am sure his Lordship wil not deny but he was many tymes but he neuer would til he declared it in this publique manner If my Lord then meant to giue them sufficient satisfactiō in priuate why did he not do it in priuate while mē did desire it and while there was tyme Besides suppose my Lord would haue written a Letter he might haue forborne to speake so plainly of his Ordinaryship only inuiting those that desired to know his Authority to come priuatly vnto him And for that which this Deuine saith that my Lord could not informe them sufficiently of his Authority in so short a Letter I se not what reason there is for it I dare say his Letter is 5. tymes at least as long as his Patents or Breue and Instructions the sight whereof would haue serued the turne without all this writing doing Which being so easy a matter th●t yet his Lordship would not do it they might well despaire of further satisfaction The third proofe of passion is that as this Deuine saith this Letter stretcheth my Lord Bishops words vpon the Tenter-hookes or rather addeth vnto them in saying that the particuler passages cyted and the whole scope of the second part of the Letter argue his Lordship to assume his Authority ouer the lay Catholiques to be as great in England and Scotland as any Ordinary exercised here in England in Catholique tymes Whereas my Lord Bishop neuer spake of Authority ouer lay Catholiques in Scotlād but only to proue himselfe Ordinary brought the Inscription of Letters from some Cardinals thus Ordinario Angliae Scotiae In which the Deuine complaineth of two Additions the one that the Letter sayth my Lord challengeth Authority ouer the laity of Scotland the other that it sayth my Lord challengeth as much Authority here in England as Ordinaries haue had in Catholyke tymes But first the Letter neither stretcheth nor addeth to my Lords words but only maketh a manifest and immediate inference vpon or out of thē For it saith his Lordship words argue him to assume c. Which plainely shewes that they do not charge his Lordship with saying so in expresse termes but saying that out of which as antecedent the cōclusion is manifestly gathered Now there is great difference betweene an inference and an Addition as euery body knoweth Secondly if the Deuine would haue answered and not cauelled he should haue shewed the Conclusiō not to be wel truly deduced out of his Lordships antecedent then he had sayd somewhat to the purpose But that he cannot do For if my L. Bishop out of the Inscription Ordinario Angliae do proue himself Ordinary out of this inferre himselfe to haue authority ouer Lay Catholiks of Englād why may he not do the lyke of the words Ordinario Scotiae which Title his Lordship vseth continually and ioyntly with the word Angliae thus Ordinarius Angliae Scotiae Thirdly his Lordships patēts make no difference betweene the faithfull of England and Scotland Wherfore if he challenge authority ouer the one he may do it ouer the other For the other Addition as this Deuine sayth or Inference as in truth it is of assuming the same Authority which Ordinaries haue exercised heere in Catholique tymes what can the Deuine say to it Is it not truly and euidently inferred My Lord Bishop sayth the Pope maketh him as absolute Ordinary in England as other Ordinaries in their Diocesses and this Deuine acknowledgeth him to haue as much as any Ordinary hath or can haue in his Diocesse But our Ordinaryes heere in Catholicke tymes were no more but as other Ordinaries in their Diocesses nor had more then any Ordinary hath or may haue in his Diocesse Ergo my Lord Bishop supposing these his Lordships premises hath the same Authority that Catholique Ordinaries haue had heere in England in Catholique tymes Or by the challenging that Authority of other Ordinaries or what they haue or may haue he challengeth the same that Ordinaries haue had in Catholike tymes What fault is there in this Argument Why then doth this Deuine●ryfle ●ryfle thus As if these two were not all one The Authority which an Ordinary hath or may haue in his Diocesse and which an Ordinary had in tymes past heere in England Had our Bishops more heere then an Ordinary may haue elswhere Did he perhaps thinke that no man would euer vouchsafe to answere or perhaps read this paper Where is now the passion in stretching and adding of words But because it may moreouer appeare that this inference of the Authority which Ordinaries had heretofore did not proceed from passion I will ad a reason why mention was made of our Ordinaries of former tymes in England which is this That they who wrote the Letter came better to be acquaynted with what belongs to the Authority of Ordinary and how farre it extendeth it selfe by that which Ordinaryes were wont to do heere in England and which for the most part they do still in the same Courts heere established then what Ordinaries do abroad which we heere are not so well acquainted withall And from hence commeth the answere to another obiected Addition in that this Letter saith that such cōtrouersies as were spoken of immediatly before in the Letter haue mixture with temporall Authority and concerne temporall fortunes and receiue also temper from our temporall lawes c. This the Deuine according to his former māner of speach calleth an Addition to his Lordships words who he sayth sayd nothing of temporall fortunes nor Authority of temporal Princes As for the word Addition it suteth yet farre lesse in this place then before True it is the Bishop did not speake of temporall fortunes and lawes but he spake of that which hath necessary connexion with them which is his Ordinaryship Which connexion though the Bishop perhaps did not so seriously reflect vpon as a thing that might hinder the extēt of his power yet Lay-men whome it concerned could not but looke about them to see themselues hooked in vpon a suddayne by Tytle of an Ordinary which bringeth after it all this that is mentioned in the Lay mens Letter