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A10968 Miles Christianus or A iust apologie of all necessarie writings and writers specialie of them which by their labored writings take paines to build vp the Church of Christ in this age and in a publique, and diffamatorie epistle lately set forth in print, are vniustly depraued. Allowed by auctority. Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616.; Mosse, Miles, fl. 1580-1614. aut; Mosse, Miles, fl. 1580-1614. Short catechism. aut 1590 (1590) STC 21238; ESTC S100921 27,752 42

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Christ. And therefore the Apostles writing much you can neuer in truth saie Christ preached much but wrot nothing For he both preached and wrot much though he wrot not by himselfe as he ●id preach You say Christ he preached much but wrot nothing you may as well blame the Apostles al the Fathers as any able man in these dayes for writing For if euery action of Christ is necessarily to bée imitated of his ministers then did both the Apostles and the Fathers ill for writing which Christ did not and for writing much when Christ preached much but wrote nothing And thou holy Father S. Augustine which hast out-gone all writers of thy coat since the Apostles time both for number of books and for profitable writinges euen thou hast finned and shalt aunswere for thy payns though of neuer so good an intent vndertaken for the benefite of the Church séeing thou hast not followed the example of Christ who preached much but wrote nothing and thou hast written much whatsoeuer thy preaching was Christ preaehed much but wrote nothing say you So saide the Paganes afore you accusing the good Disciples of sinne as presuming to doe that which Christ the wisest man did vtterly auoyd Christ preached much but wrote nothing say you So say the Papistes to draw all credite from the holy Scriptures vnto their vnwritten blasphemies and traditions For saith one of them Christ outwardly did not write nor commaunded the Euangelical Gospel to be written but onely to be preached and published and another sayth It was not the will of Christ that his Church should rely vppon paper writings nor that hys mysteries should bee committed to parchement plainly showing that the Apostles sinned in writing as they did For they did more then they were enioyned to doe and contrary to the will of Christ when they occupied themselues in writing whereas they would haue preached much after his ensamples and written nothing It may be you dislike not you haue in reuerend estimation the writings of the Disciples and Apostles of our Sauiour Christ I hope so to how be it he that shall mark your words aduisedly can neuer thinke your meaning to be syncere The Arrians thought well of the holy Scriptures too yet they abolished vtterly both the decrées of the Nicene Councel and the most profitable writing of the holy Fathers The Anabaptists think wel of the Scriptures too but they burned al theyr books were they neuer so good If you so commend the writings of the Apostles and Prophets that you condemn the worthy labors of other learned men though you are no Papist because you preferre the Scripture yet you come near them in this point which hinder the growth of true religion so well as Papists To conclude if you are of minde that men are not to wr● because Christ wrote nothing or any way raise a disliking of good mens workes in the mindes either of Students Gentils or common people assure your selfe he that wrote nothing but preached much will by the writings and preachings of his seruants discouer your folly and otherwise pursue you with his iudgements vnlesse you repent Miles Mosse Many that haue the roome of Christ at this day are giuen to write much though they preach litle Miles Christianus Now you are come vnto the ministers of the word which be writers of whom you deliuer thrée thinges First that there be many of them next that they write much lastly how they preach litle And none of these thinges are true if you meane the ministers of the word which are publique writers For the priuate writers who knoweth I trust they are many and I pray God encrease the nūber of the studious so they write and study for the Churches quietnes For sure I am their labors are most blessed of God and liked of his Church which study and write moste for the common good But cursed is he whereabout soeuer he be employed which doth the worke of the Lord negligently Now consider your assertions Miles Mosse Manie Ministers of the worde at this daie are publique writers Miles Christianus The Ministers of the worde that bee writers at this day though they may be many I grant if you set them apart by themselues yet are they fewe very few euen too few in comparison of those Ministers which eyther preach but write not or neither preach nor write I am sure you can not reckon of an hundred one Minister that taketh paines in writing and call you those many Not to speake of other places the state of our Church for publique writers is reasonably well knowen vnto vs both and know we so many Ministers that be writers in the same He is a friend of ours that was woont to say in his Sermons which I haue not heard a great while that your Townsmen of Burie are such diligent hearers of the word on the Monday exercises that they may easely be singled-out from other men surely the writers of our Church all of them may easely be singled and numbred they are not so many and yet too many by some like your selfe vnlesse they exercise their stile in more necessarie matter than they doe I take it all Cambridge at this howre hath not foure nor all Oxford fine nor all London sixe nor all Suffolke a Countie most replenished with Ministers of any Shire or County in England Northfolke and Lyncolnshire excepted nor some whole Diocesse so many I put not euerie publisher of a Catechisme in this number of approued writers some Cuntries shires and Diocesses both in Ireland Wales and England too none at all and of these some not these two some not these thrée yeares and vpward haue committed anie thing vnto the presse and yet shall it publiquely in print and as a reproch a lasting reproch of our Ministerie be deliuered that the writers the Ecclesiasticall Ministers that write be manie Miles Mosse Manie Ministers of the word write much Miles Christianus Blame not Ministers for writing much which in trueth is litle to that which both others afore them haue done and they are bound vnto It is no reproch to our Church that any able men do write but it is a great reproch that either there be no moe of them or that they write no more And our Diuines haue a great account before God to make so manie parishes remaining without preaching Pastors and so many aduersaries on all sides arising to the great annoying of the whole Church in euery corner that yet sit still beholding the house of God miserablie wasting into ashes partly by the flames of inward contentions partly by barbarous ignorance and will not set their handes to their bookes and by their laboured writinges quench the same and bring them out of danger that be readie to perish But more to blame are you and such as you are which neither doe good that way your selues nor like of them which be industrious
MILES CHRISTIANVS OR A iust Apologie of all necessarie writings and writers Specialie of them which by their labored writings take paines to build vp the Church of Christ in this age And in a publique and diffamatorie Epistle lately set forth in Print are vniustly depraued 1. Tim. 5. 20. Them that sinne rebuke openly that the rest also may feare Allowed by auctority LONDON Printed by Iohn Wolfe and are to be sold at his shop right ouer against the great South doore of Pauls 1590. To Miles Mosse Minister of the Word and Bacheler of Diuinity Miles Christianus wisheth more soundnes of iudgement more substance of learning with more wisedome and discretion in all his actions YOu haue published of late Maister Mosse à little Treatise entituled A short Catechisme c. you fore-saw I doubt not whither it shoulde go from what into whose hands it would come how many eies woulde see and how many eares heare it and heare of the same and therefore vpon mature deliberation for may I thinke otherwise you commended it yet the worke of other heads and your selfe withal the corrector and abridger thereof with many titles and notable words vnto the present age and posterity to ensue Of which Booke I haue nothing or verie little but of the Preface or dedicatorie Epistle of yours which I woulde to God had neuer beene written or more Christianly soberly and aduisedly penned I haue many thinges to say Nowe that you may perceiue my quarrell against you is iust not picked by mee but ministred by your selfe I haue sette-downe all your wordes without either adding vnto or taking from them any whit and where you say well you shall haue the praise due for good deseries but where you haue slidde from the truth and broached vnsound and noisome assertions I haue both laide them open and confuted them also for your owne good if admonished you will see your faultes and reforme your iudgement and for the common benefit of our Church and Countrey to whose seruice I haue dedicated my selfe and studies And this haue I donne as hee knoweth to whome the verie ground not of mine onely but of your writing also is knowen not of any setled ill-will to your selfe to whome I wishe all good but through an vtter detestation of your Paradoxes which neither for mee had beene confuted in an open booke had not they by your selfe to the great dishonour of God in a publike writing and vulgar tongue both in Towne and Countrey beene dispersed I am no aduersarie to your person but to your opinions which if you change I am changed if not assure your selfe to heare that you would not when you will persist to holde that you should not maintaine Miles Mosse To the right Reuerende Father in God Edmond by Gods permission Bishop of Norwich c. There is no ende of making manie bookes saith the Preacher And he spake the truth whether we respect the varieties of matter and inuention whereof there was neuer measure in anie age or whether we respect the multitude of writings which haue ouerflowed all the bankes of modestie and discretion in this present age The one I ascribe vnto the varietie of wits The other to the iniquitie of the time Miles Christianus THere is no end of making many books said the Preacher and he said truely and his ende in saying so was excéeding good and neither to discourage men from wry●ing nor to es●range any godly man or woman from reading holy bookes He was no aduersarie vnto any good helpe vnto godlines whether it be writing or preaching much or little and his owne practise which vttered thrée thousand Prouerbes and made a thousand and fiue songs and diuers bookes besides and the practise of the Prophets after him and of the Apostles Euangelists and other holy men after them also do shew both the good vse and great neede men haue of bookes in euerie age But what is your ende M. Mosse in alleaging this saying of the Preacher There is no end of making manie bookes I feare me you ayme not at that marke which the Preacher did you haue another ende then he had and therefore y●ur meaning is corrupt Indéede the varietie of matter and inuention in all ages hath beene wonderfull yet can you not saie and say truely it was without measure vnlesse you condemne simply the varietie of wits and inuention which are the worthie giftes and graces of almightie God bestowed vpon man nor that this varietie of matter and inuention hath bene manifested in all ages by written bookes For both the heathen people were a long time without the benefite of bookes and the Iewes and Church of God till Moises daies which was many ages from the creation of the world vtterly voyde of all helpe of the written word And saie you not your selfe within a few lines after the writings of the ancients were few If fewe how were they without measure And if beyond all measure againe how were they few Last of all interpreting the saying of the Preacher so as if he spake onely of this present age and latter time wherein we liue you mistake him much For albeit he foresawe the multitude of writings that were to come abroade in the latter daies yet no doubt he ment properly the writings which he saw were attempted in his daies or extant in the world afore his time which neither can be said to ouerflow or to haue ouerflowed the bankes of modestie and discretion because there be multitudes of them that is no sufficient cause yea no cause at all Of good thinges the moe yea the greater multitudes the better and there be multitudes of writings which you dare not without impudencie auouch to haue ouerflowed the bankes of modestie and discretion And of such bookes it is not the iniquitie but the felicitie of the latter time to haue good store Miles Mosse The Writings of the ancients were few but such as were an honor to themselues and benefite to posteritie The writings of this time are manie but such as disturbe the Church and fome out their founders shame Miles Christianus You write your pleasure of all writers both ancient and of this time but vntruely of each vnsoundly of all And that you maie palpably sée and perceiue both the truth of mine and the falshood of your wordes I will before your eies place some propositions pregnantly arising from your verie spéech Miles Mosse The writings of the ancients were few Miles Christianus You do no sooner sée this but me thinkes the red colour commeth into your chéeks Were the writings of the ancients but few What ancients meane you that were but few The Schoole-men and others immediately afore our time or the Fathers and other writers afore them Or the Apostles Euangelists prophets afore them Or the Ancient Heathen whether philosophers orators historiographers or poets If you meane the Schoole men and our immediat predecessors read our countrie