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A14060 A perseruatiue, or triacle, agaynst the poyson of Pelagius lately renued, ... by the furious secte of the Annabaptistes ... By Willyam Turner, Doctor of Physick. Turner, William, d. 1568. 1551 (1551) STC 24368; ESTC S101787 56,116 208

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falselye doo ye wryte my wordes and fein that I brynge them in for to proue that chyldern myghte and oughte to be baptysed or if ye wyll not haue it done of malyce and frowardnes I muste nedes impute it to wonderfull great ignoraunce and want both of wyte and learnynge ●or what learned man replying agaynste hys aduersary whyche had holden .iij. conclusyons and made thre resons in ordre one after an other to confyrme hys conclusyons with all wold aunswer fyrst to the last conclusyon and say that hys aduersaryes reason defending the fyrste conclusyon maketh not in all poyntes for the laste conclusyon In thys your doynge ye folowe verye nere a certayn vnlearned limiter of Cambrydge Thys freer was longe and manye a daye a lymyter and a beggynge thefe whyche vnder the pretence of long prayer had deuoured the house of manye a poore wydowe and whyles he dyd that he learned nothynge but knauery thys freer beynge olde by the reason of hys age thoughte shortlye to be pryor of the place and if he were bacheler of dyuynytye he shuld the soner come by his purpose he gat hys grace wyth muche labour and many promises to be bacheler of dyuynytye but he muste answer fyrst in a dysputation in the dyuynytye schole But the freer perceyuynge hym selfe vnmeete for that matter came vnto the doctor that shuld dispute wyth hym and desyred hym to be good vnto hym and to lett him haue his arguments in writynge and clerklye solutyons wrytten in ordre for euery argument promising to content him for his labor the doctor dyd so but when the doctor propounded the fyrst argument in order in the beginning of the disputatiō had in the scoles the vnlerned and forgetfull fryar applyed the last solution to the fyrst argument But the doctor spake merely vnto the freer in these wordes Domine adhuc non sumus ibi Syr we are not yet there And so must I saye vnto you answering me lyke the vnlearned frear Syr we are not so farre as yet answer fyrst to my first questyons to the reasons made to defend them when ye haue cōfuted them go in hand with them that folow in order But let vs go forwarde and answer to the rest of the lies Ye say that I began my sermon with the rehersing of the custome of colleges as yeare informed pretendinge the ye had not had not had the copye of my sermone before you for this intent as it doeth playnly apeare that ye might make a place for mo lyes whiche ye purposed to bryng in by the window that is if any man shuld accuse you for rehersyng any thynge hereafter lyingly falsly that ye might say I was so informed as thoughe ye had learned the matter only by hear say not by any writyng But the truth is that ye wrote not one word against me vntill that ye had my hole sermone writtē in youre handes Therfore yf by your information ye meane any thyng sauyng that ye were informed by my writtē sermone ye swarue far from the truth the lye wherunto ye made a place in youre feined information is conteyned in these wordes ☞ He began first as I am informed to cōmend vnto hys audience the custome of colledges and scoles in Oxforth Cambrydge and such other where is ordeined that such as shall be admitted to felowshyp of such houses shall heare the statutes whervnto they shall be bound .iiij. tymes in the yeare that they maye knowe their charge therby and kepe it ¶ If this be not a shameful lye where ye say that I spake of scolers that were yet to be admitted I report me vnto my hole auditory and to all them that haue red and shall rede my sermond faythfully gathered of me by Thomas Norton But because euery man perchaunce can not come by my sermond I will repete a fewe wordes of it which shall proue ye gyltie of the lye that I layde vnto youre charge My words were these ☞ As the statutes in colledges do shewe vnto scolars what is their founders wyl that they shuld kepe and wherunto they be bounde lo here I saye whereunto they be bounde and not wherunto they shal be boūde by the lawes of theyr house so ought we to haue an abrygement or summe of the commaundementes of God to teach vs what is our duety I say not what shal be our duty and what we haue bounde oure selues to kepe ¶ Marke here how that I say what we haue boūd our selues to kepe and not what we shall bynde our selues to kepe Then when as my example of the readyng of the statutes of coileges foure tymes in the yeare agreeth in all poyntes wyth my purpose that I applyed it to ye do me open wronge to scourge me for your fayned and false forged wordes sayinge that my example doth not agree in al poyntes with my purpose because it agreeth not with your wordes whiche ye bryng in after such a maner as they were myne Now seyng that thys playnsonge is yours the descant that ye make vnto it belongeth nothing vnto me but se that ye singe in tune they ye offende not the eares of as cunning artificers as you be ¶ After these lyes with which ye might haue ben cōtent yf ye had not ben vnsatiable with suche ye go fast forwarde to bryng in mo sayenge ☞ That such a lyke costome was once in our moost holye relygyon as was in colleges and in orders of relygyon wher as none were admitted before they had a year of probation Wher vnto ye put this that they that cam to be baptised demaunded and desyred to be receiued to the felow ship of the christiās after dewe proofe of vnfayned repentaunce thereby were called competentes Yonge men and wymen requyrynge baptysme and then were taught the principles of the christian faith and were fyrst called Catecumeni And after those principles learned were vpon certayne solemne dayes at two tymes of the year approued therfore baptysed which was vpon easter euen and wit sonday euen promysyng for them selues thobseruaunce of Gods law with the renouncyng of the deuell and the worlde in theyr owne person without Godfather or godmother seuen score yeares longe tyll Iginius byshop of Rome ordened to baptyse an infante a godfather and godmother aunswerynge for hym Where as ye say that the lyke maner was in out most holy religion as the scolers and religious men had that none shuld be admitted vntil they had ben proued a yeare and first called competentes and then cathecumeni I maruayl what religion ye meane of whether ye meane of the popes religion or christes religion or of the Catabaptistes relygion whiche is your religion in dede Yf ye mean of the catabaptistes relygyon or the popes it may be so but thys wote I well that it was no custome in Christes most holy relygyon for then shuld we haue sene som mentyon of it ether in the actes of the Apostels or in the epistels
haeresiarchae Randolphus Hurlestonus ad Lectorem Praecipit nobis nihil ut patretur Prosus iniusté sua set relinqui Omni bus mandat deus ille sumo summus olympo Nonne ius ductum uiolat nefande Eripi qui uult puero tenello Dum nequit primos propriam per annos dicere causam Illud aeterni solidum sigillum Faederis per quod sumus infauore Per quod nobis rata cuncta fiunt munera Christis Nuperat quidam stygijs abundis Proruens parumspo●iare pubem Nititur tanto precio malignus inuidus hostis Quem graui pugna strenué retundit Ille Turnerus decus atque lumen Angliae cuius fuit in Papistas inclyta palma Consulas doctos igitur labores In bonam partem tibi qui dicantur Atque perpendas animo tenaci quae liber offert FINIS Est Deus uerax omnis homo mendax AS allmighty god is the auctor of al truth yea euen the truth it selfe as Christe in these wordes doth testify I am the waye the truth the life so all lyinge falshod cometh from the deuyll as Christ sayth in Iohn the deuyll is a lyer the father of the same Wherby it is not hard to knowe of what spirit ye be whych begyn your boke with so many vnshamefaced lyes and goo forward with falsehod both in rehersyng of other mens doynges sayinges and also in matters of religion do willingly and aduisedly treade doune the truth mainteyning the doctryne of the deuyll I meane heresy false doctrine with lies falshod and somtime with subtil Sophistry which I reken the deuill at certain times powreth into you to defende hys doctryne wyth all for al the learned men that haue disputed with you in your opinions whit whom I haue spoken iudge you to be so iklender a clerk that they think that ye neuer lerned nether sophistry nor logike nether anye good scyence in all your life sauinge only musyke wherin yf I be so cūning as the comō report maketh you it had ben better for you to haue songe your part agaynste me in tune thē to haue to vnlearnedly and lyingly written against me out of ordre and oute of tune from the truth first as hereafter foloweth thus do ye begyn ☞ Master Turner intendynge to proue that infantes maye well and oughte to be baptysed in theyr infancye by the worde of God began fyrste as I am enformed to commend vnto hys audience the custom of colleges and scoles in Oxforth and cambrydge and suche other where it is ordeyned that suche as shall be admytted to the feloweshyppe of suche houses shall heare the statutes where vnto they shal be bounde .iiij. tymes in the yeare that they may knowe theyr charge therby and kepe it Whiche custome is in dede a resonable and landable custom but not in all poyntes agreable to his purpose For there they receyue no infantes to the felowshyppe of theyr houses but such as are growen to vnderstanding and do ernestly sewe to be receiued and being receiued haue theyr year of probation to se whyther they can alow and lyke the company wyth all theyr statutes and condytyons and the companye them or not or euer they be admytted ¶ In the fyrst sentence of your boke ye teach the readers of it ▪ to make them like you a loudly that is to wyt that I dyd alledge the custome of the reding of the statutes of colleges iiij tymes in the yeare to the felowes of the colleges to proue that chyldren in their infancy both ought and myght well be baptysed which is playne false For al though I intended in the end of my sermond to proue that infantes myght wel be baptised in their infancy yit in the beginning of my sermōd I cited and alledged not the maner of reding of statutes in colleges to proue that infantes shuld be baptised but to teache my hearers that were present in the church that I thought it as necessarye for Christen men to haue their baptyme to be oft opened and declared vnto them wherein is conteyned in a small roume the hole summe of a Christē mannes profession as it was necessarye for scolers to haue theyr statutes red .iiij. tymes in the yeare For I had bene worse then mad to haue sayd that the declaration of baptyme had bene necessary for chyldren whiche can vnderstande neuer a worde of the declaratiō But let the wordes of my sermond be iudge in thys matter My wordes a lytle after the prayers were these ☞ And because baptysme is the summe of all the hole Christian profession wherin we promysed to beleue in Christ and obey hys commaundementes it shall be fyttest for me to entreat therof I thynke it well done and do much prayse and alow the custom vsed in vniuersytes in euerye colledge or house .iiij tymes in a yeare to haue the statutes lawes and ordinaunces of theyr houses openly red vnto thē wherby cometh great profyt vnto .ij. kyndes of scolars for in euery colledge or house of learnynge there be comonly .iij. sortes of scolars one perfyt and well learned the seconde vnperfyt yet desyrous and labouryng to attayne to the perfection that thyrde is vtterly vnlearned and yet neuer intendeth to come vnto any learnynge To the ij fyrste sortes of these scolars is the readyng of the lawes and statutes of their house verye profytable to the perfyt that by the often hearynge of them they maye be by no processe or lenght of tyme forgotten and slyppe oute of theyr mynde To the vnperfyt yet desyrrus and lackyng tyme to come to perfectyon it is very profytable that the customable hearynge of the statutes and lawes of theyr house redd before them maye bete into theyr heades and make them the better to knowe what ordynances be apointed for them wherby they maye attayne to a perfectyon And so are there thre kyndes of chrysten men c. and a lytle after I sayde these wordes As to the fyrste sortes of scolers the rehersall yf theyr statutes is verye profytable so to the .ij. fyrste sorte of Chrystyans the often readyng and repetyng of the summe and abrigement of Gods cōmandementes is very necessary for as the statutes in colledges do shew vnto scholars what was their founders wyll that they shulde kepe and wherunto they be bound by the lawes of theyr house so ought we to haue an abrigement or summe of the cōmaundementes of God to teach vs what is our duety and what we haue bounde our selues to kepe When as these be my wordes of them no other sentence can be gathered but the I thought it was as necessary that baptysme which conteyneth in it the hole profession of a Christen mā declared teacheth hym what is his duty and what God requyreth of him shuld be oftē tymes rehersed opened as the statutes of colleges shulde be red vnto the scolars to put them in remembrance what they are boūd to and what their founder requireth of them how frowardly and