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A39282 Vindiciæ catholicæ, or, The rights of particular churches rescued and asserted against that meer (but dangerous) notion of one catholick, visible, governing church ... wherein by Scripture, reason, antiquity, and later writers, first, the novelty, peril, scandal, and untruth of this tenet are cleerly demonstrated, secondly, all the arguments for it, produced by the Rev. Apollonius, M. Hudson, M. Noyes, the London ministers, and others, are examined and dissolved ... / by John Ellis, Jun. Ellis, John, 1606?-1681. 1647 (1647) Wing E593; ESTC R18753 75,919 94

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The 5. and last are the Professors of Leyden who say that in the Synod is the top of Authoritie the unitie of the whole Church the establishment of order But they speake of particular Synods in particular Churches And do not subvert what was shewed out of them above In fine he acknowledgeth that the PAPISTS would build their Babell on THIS foundation which I thinke they well may or some-what like it and so I remit this Author to the Reverend Elders of New England who are much more able to deale with him and of some of whom hee will heare about this Argument I suppose very shortly The 5. and last that to my view have appeared in defence of this notion are the London Ministers Before I come to their arguments I shall after the example of a Reverend member of the Assembly do right to some of both sides Principal men there are in those waies and even of the Assembly it selfe whose judgements and practise have not beene truely represented by the Ministers in their Collation of the opinion of the Presbyterians and the Independents I will instance onely in one present question The Independents are said to hold no other Visible Church of Christ but only a single Congregation meeting together in one place to partake of all Ordinances But this is not their opinion That it is essentially required to the very being of a visible Church that it meet in one place they hold it de benè esse for conveniency not absolutely necessary now it is not ingenuous to fasten upon a way or man generally that which some such as wil be in any profession particular and perhaps weak or passionate men may hold 2. These brethren observe not that themselves are in the whole fault of that which the Independents owne in this charge scil. making no other a visible Church then a single Congregation for if the Brethrens opinion bee true the Catholique Visible Church is made but one single Congregation or Corporation though too bigge to meet together but in their Deputies For if it have the same visible Lawes under the same visible order of Officers and these Officers one visible societie or Colledge over each and over the whole then is it as much one particular and single Corporation as Stepny or Cripple-gate Now on the contrary for that opinion that is opposed to this and said to be the judgement of the Presbyterians viz. that there is one General visible Church of Christ on earth whereof all particular Churches and single Congregations are but as similar parts of the whole There is not onely no one Presbyterian could hitherto be shewed to be of that judgement till the sitting of this Assembly in favour of whom Apolonius wrote but also divers above evidenced to be against it and acknowledged so by the Authors of this opinion Plain dealing is the best policie But to their arguments 1. They urge the forenamed place 1 Cor. 12. and say the Apostle speaks of one Generall Church because he saith Church not Churches 2. Because he speaks of it in such a latitude as to comprehend all gifts of the spirit all members all officers ordinary and extraordinary which cannot agree to a particular Church Answ. 1. Wee have shewed that the Church taken essentially is one though Integrally and in respect of its existence and particular government it is as manifold as there are particular Churches Now to the Church in the former sence are those things given all men in essence and nature are one to man in this respects is given Governours and Government arts and gifts c. must all therefore be one Common wealth 2. Or else which I rather adhered to the Church is taken in that place mystically for the whole society or family in heaven and earth as was then evidenced 3. All these Officers and gifts were given to the Church of Corinth immediately though not solely and onely The light of the Sun is given immediately to that particular place on which it shines with all the brightnesse and influence of it but not solely 4. In this superintendency over the whole Church whether severally or joyntly the Scripture hath instituted no Successors to the Apostles 5. By Apostles might be meant the chief Officers of Corinth A second place and wherein they handle this subject more expresly is part 2. chap. 8. where their first Argument is drawne onely from those places that name the Church indefinitely as on this Rock will I build my Church He hath set some in the Church Apostles c. And their second taken from such places as compare all visible Professors to one Organical body which are some of the same places they used in the first Argument as 1 Cor. 12. We being many are one body so Rom. 12. 4. Ephes. 4. 11. Answ. 1. These have been replyed to above 2. They do not make the whole Visible Catholick Church one Organical but one Similar body in our Brethrens first assertion But Organical and Similar are opposite as was shewed in answer to M. Hudson whom in this inconsistencie opinion and expression they have either followed or he some of them 3. Next they endeavour to prove that the word Ministry Ordinances and particularly Baptisme are given to the generall visible Church the method Mr Hudson used Moses mother was his Nurse also whence it will follow that there is a Generall Visible or Catholique Church Therefore I shall take this for a third head of Arguments and Answer to it 1. The word Ministery Ordinances c. all of them are given immediately to every particular Church where they are and where there may be use of them though not solely and the first two places quoted speak immediately of the Church of Ephesus and the third immediately of the Church of Corinth the fourth of the Church at Rome 2. They are given to the Church as one Essentiall or Mysticall body But no way concludes they must bee one Visibly no more then the gifts of Reason Arts Speech the Government of Emperours Kings Princes the order of Inferior and superiour members given by God to mankinde doth prove that therefore all men are one Visible General Corporation or Common-wealth or Integral Organical Similar bodie consisting of parts as a similar body altogether alike and as an organical body of parts heterogene and nothing alike which even a plain Reader will perceive to be as uncouth Logick as Divinity CHAP. VI The Conclusion 1. Corrollaryes 2. A word to the Authors of this Opinion ANd thus by the assistance of God an answer hath been given though 't is like they will not so be answered to these Brethren And therein I hope I have spoken as the oracles of God both for truth and sobernesse Sure I am I have endeavoured though perhaps not without some failing to observe that of the Father Worthy saith one to be written on the chairs of all Divines and Disputants