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A44639	The seat of the scorner thrown down, or, Richard Hobbs his folly, envy and lyes in his late reply to my book called A looking-glass, &c manifested and rebuked whereunto is annexed my call from the Baptists, to walk in the true light : and a true testimony to the light and power of Christ in the heart with a few queries to the said R. Hobbs / by Luke Howard ; to which is added a further answer by T.R.	Howard, Luke, 1621-1699.; Howard, Luke, 1621-1699. Looking-glass for Baptists.; Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. Water-Baptists reproach repeld.	1673 (1673)	Wing H2987; ESTC R6501	43,144	60

they are wrought in God but he that hates the Light brings not his Deads unto it lest it should reprove them And this is my Testimony with my many Brethren and the Saints of old born to the Eternal and True Light of Christ within the Hope of Glory and to my Call out of Darkness into Light and from the Power of Satan to the Power of God in which I stand a Witness for God and against all the Worshippers of the Beast who have received his Mark in their Fore-heads or Right hands and therefore plead for his kingdom of Darkness and against the Light Within These must needs be blind Watch-men of the Night saith Luke Howard who forsook the People called Anabaptists and their Water-dipping upon this Account ANd now by way of Reply in Righteousness to this Night Watchman's Scoffing Mocking and Lying Work who begins in his Title Page saying It is a Sober Reply But a sober Man so made by the Grace of God which teaches Sobriety will not so call a Pamphlet made up of Scoffing and Lying for in his Preface he begins to scoff in these word Charles Bayly sometimes a Prisoner upon the Quaking account in Dover As if Quaking were now become a Scorn and By-word if it be so it is but to the Fools in Heart who are ignorant of the Life of Moses Isaiah Job Ezekiel Daniel Habakkuk Jeremiah Joel and Amos who were Prophets of the Lord and all owned Quaking and Trembling in their Day And in the same Preface saith he But to show what Enormities the pretended Light leads them to c. My Answer is We are Real in our Testimony to Christ Jesus the true Light which lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and this to wit the Light Life and Spirit which moved in the Holy Men of God to give forth the Scriptures which the Scriptures bear witness unto which is the old time came not by the Will of Man but Holy Man of God spoke as they were Moved by the Holy Spirit but the Scripture is not that Spirit nor Life but testifies thereof nor yet this Night Watch-man's imagination of them who gives his corrupt Meaning to Peter's word and so Perverts them saying He meant the Scriptures when he spoke of the more sure word of Prophecy unto the which we do well to take heed as unto a light shining in a dark place until the Day Dawns and the Day Star arise in our Hearts these last words to wit the Day-Star arise in our Hearts he leaves out for against that to wit Light in the Heart are all his Arrows shot this he calls Erroneous a dark Light of the Quakers or any thing what his dark Mind is pleas'd to call it and therefore he may think he hath cause enough to wrest the words and to clip some off for if he testifieth against the Quakers Light as he scoffingly calls it then he must testifie against Peter Paul and John and the rest of the Prophets and Apostles for their Testimony and ours are one as may be seen more at Large in the Testimony following unto which I Refer the Reader Then in his first Page he begins with three or four Lyes first he saith that I said Some new converted Friends aid own C. B. when there are no such words in all my Book Then again he saith But the Men-Friends in the Castle did not own him so much These are his own words not mine to make his foul Work seem fair to make them serve his own End and this he calls My appearing with two faces So here is a Brat of his own begetting in his own Image spit out of his own Mouth speaking his own heart of Lyes in Hypocrisie for I never so said nor meant for my words were these Beside there were some at Liberty which did not own C. B. so much as Rich. Hobbs Reported of as may be seen in the Looking-Glass herein Annexed this his Charging of me with words which I never writ alters the Matter and makes it another thing as any may read that is not Blind Then again he saith I Confessed I owned C. B. as much as the Rest There is no such word in all my Book as may be seen and although these things may seem small as here related yet as they stand in his Corrupt Relation in Print they are Great because they so alter the matter and makes his Relation have a Face of Fairness like Truth but read my words as they stand in my own Book and his words would be found a Lye and that a Lye is in his Right-hand and a deceived Heart hath turned him aside And for these and such like causes to clear the Truth is my former added to this Again in pag. 2. he hath this Lye over again that I and three or four in Prison with me did not own C. B. so much as Friends at Liberty And their he makes Lyes his Refuge and under Falshood he hides himself and when he hath frameth up a Lye he sets it up as a Bulwark to batter against with Replies as if his Lies were mine and this Course this Night-watch-Man takes to make a foul thing seem fair and a Lye which is of the Devil seem true Several more Lyes I could gather out of his Lying Pamphlet in several places where he saith I said Many of his Flock were of his Mind my words were these As many of his Flock as were of his Mind which alters the matter and makes it quite another thing for to my knowledge Several of his Flock were not of his Mind Then again he saith that I know my wife reported C. B. had cured her Eyes when I know no such thing but the contrary and this I can prove by several Witnesses But in this work of bundling up of Lyes I have no delight but as constrained thereunto to place a few of them upon the Lyers Head as a Testimony against the Father of them who i● the Devil for my Time is precious and in the Mouth of two or three Witnesses is every word established And then he goes on in like manner of scoffing Language in his page 13. That I beguile the Reader into Fools Paradise in my saying in the Baptists Looking Glass That the Quakers worship God in Spirit and in Truth which the Devil and all that do his Works of Envy are out of And now if to worship God in Spirit and in Truth be Fools Paradise then what is the wise Man's Paradise seeing the Lord seeketh such to worship him as we do this Day witness Again in Page 10. he saith here is a great Cry and a little Wool A scoffer indeed And in Page 7 he saith I give my Glass a Rub and that to the Purpose too as I think saith he and thus scoffingly he writes these and many more like them not worth answering which I do Return upon his own head who sits in the seat of the Scorner for it is plain

THE SEAT OF THE SCORNER Thrown Down OR Richard Hobbs his Folly Envy and Lyes in his late Reply to my Book called A Looking-Glass c. Manifested and Rebuked Whereunto is annexed my Call from the BAPTISTS to walk in the True LIGHT And a True Testimony to the Light and Power of Christ in the Heart With a few QUERIES to the said R. Hobbs By Luke Howard To which is added a further Answer by T. R. He that is first in his own Cause seemeth Just but his Neighbour cometh after and searcheth him out Prov. 18.17 The Lip of Truth shall be established forever but a Lying Tongue is but for a Moment Prov. 12.19 Printed in the Year 1673. TO THE READER Reader INto whose hands this may come for your sakes who are so much troubled that there should be so much contending and as you say striving betwixt People professing Religion this know that we called Quakers are forced thereunto and that for Righteousness sake for the Lord knows it is so because the Baptists began first with us as soon as the King gave Liberty they fell on us as David said laying to our Charge things we knew not of Lying Stories of seven Years old out of Lincolnshire of one Richard Anderson of Panton which never was at a Quakers Meeting in his Life but at many Baptists Meetings as appears by their own Writing and so in Hypocrisie would cloath him with a Quaker by Name who was rather a Baptist and only because he at some times after his own manner would speak of the Light Within against them which Light these Men so hate that for a little spoken from a Man which was never one of us neither in Reality nor yet in Formality they should make so much a do and such a Cry of to the World as they have done and would have the World judge of the Light of Christ which we say every Man is lighted with by the Carriage of him who was so near themselves And now mark because our Friends gave an Answer in plain Truth to their false Charge Richard Hobbs Pastor of the Baptists in Dover as he calls himself in Envy undertook to write a Relation of one Charles Bayly of his Miscarriages Ten or Eleaven Years old and because a deal of his Mad Actions were true for which he must bear his own Burden therefore they thought that that should crown their Lyes in their former Story from Lincolnshire and so they Printed them together but his spirit to wit C. B. and his Work we did and do deny as by the Looking-Glass for Baptists doth at large appear unto which I refer the Reader So that I am thus constrained for Righteousness sake to appear in Print once more by way of Reply unto this Scoffer's Night-Labour a Work which he hath been Sixteen Years exercising in and of late he hath began in Print to shew the Fruit of his Labour against the Light Within and snarling at the Heels of those who believe in it and although he reads in the Scriptures which he calls his Rule That many are Called and few Chosen yet is his Eye so watching for Evil that the Fall of one Called and not Chosen is to him a rich Feast as appears by his first and second Printing of the Miscarriages of one Charles Bayly and if his last had not been redoubling of his Evil in Envy in his first by Lying Scoffing and Mocking I might have rested at this time in Silence knowing right well that my first Answer to his Envious Charge against the Light of Christ Jesus is clear enough without Rubbing as he scoffingly calls it to his first and might have served for this second also to all Impartial Minds Luke Howard THE Seat of the Scorner Thrown Down c. ANd now Reader because I am accused in pag. 9. of this Night-Watch-man's Labour of my leaving the Ordinances of God as he calls them I shall here give a brief Account of my leaving the People called Anabaptists in their carnal Water-dipping and elementary Worship where I with many more were as now many are looking for the Living among the Dead and in our meeting in those dayes and performing our Work and Duty as we then thought in that which we call'd Gospel-Faith even then would God's Witness the Light arise and shew me that we were not in the Gospel-Faith which we so much professed and that we were not Baptized by the One Spirit into the One Body Here the Lord in the Light put me to a stand and set me spiritually to commune with my own Heart in a weighty Sense of my own Condition and then in the Light I saw That we were all ignorant of the One Baptism and One Faith as well as of the One Lord and one Body into which that Baptism gives an enterance It is true we were dipped in Water in Hope of Life and Peace and call'd Brothers and Sisters by Water-dipping but that Formality satisfied not the Cry of my Soul which was still in me after spiritual Knowledge and Acquaintance with the Lord which by the Light shining in my Heart I saw was not to be had in carnal Water notwithstanding Men do so much quote Mat. 28. for Water-dipping unto which in the Baptists Looking-Glass I have spoken fully in pag. 12 13. unto which I refer the Reader But to return Then I became very much dissatisfied and constrain'd to for sake those things People in their Observations and that for good Conscience sake which I once practiced while the Vail was over my Heart in a Day of great Reproach here I was willing to forget those that things were behind in the Death and press forward after Life which they in their dayes were Shaddows of and that is all they ever were but now there is but one Lord one Faith and one Baptism At that time one of the Preachers asked me when separated Why I would not walk with them My Answer was Because neither they nor I was in the Gospel Faith and that if ever I should know it that it would be as plain to me as I saw the Door with my Natural Eye And now hath the Lord sealed that Faith unto me in the Light by which I then saw my self out of it everlasting Praises be unto his Name forever Then my Life became as it were alone and like a Wanderer seeking Rest for the Cry continued and the Witness attended but I knew it not to be the Gift of God's Grace and that the Reproof of Instruction given by it was the Way to Life and so took little Warning by it more then to live a kind of a desolate Life for want of Peace of Conscience with the Lord and in this State would I Weep and Cry in secret for want of true Bread to give Life to my Soul which lay in Death yet would I not return again to those empty Shaddows though importuned thereunto but the Father's House I sought where

he writes one thing and meanes another which shews a Tongue without a Bridle and his work to be with two Faces and by the Scriptures which he calls his Rule is he found in the vain Religion My last Testimony it needed no Rubbing for I here testifie again it is clear Truth and clear enough to manifest the Deceit of him and those concerned with him in it and it is here offered again for him with other hypocrites to see their Faces in and also to the unbyassed mind and to answer both his pieces of Envy Lyes Scoffs and Mocks and were I not constrained for the Light and Truths sake I should rather chuse Silence then to Answer either of his pieces of dirt which at best is but Food for the Serpent and his Seed to feed upon Again in Page 9. he accuses me with being a lewd Ranter in Dayes past Now behold his Envy for I have believ'd in the Light of Christ and have been called a Quaker about Seventeen or Eighteen Years and known to my Neighbours from my Childhood which is above Fifty Years and therefore the less Answer may serve this Man's Envy who is a fierce Accuser and a worse Judge and my answer is by Way of Challenge to him and all his Abettors in Envy To prove in Dayes past any thing against me more then the foolish Course of the World which the Men thereof through Profession take a Liberty in yet short of bodily Vncleanness Murder and such like gross Enormities but if I had been as bad as he renders me and worse also to wit If seven Devils Mary Magdalene's State had been my Condition why should his Eye or any Man's be evil because the Lords is good She loveth much because much was forgiven her And now from sensible Experience to our own Souls we can testifie for God That his tender Mercies is over all his Works and reaches to the end of the Earth follows Man calling to him in his vile Estate yea in the high-Wayes and Hedges when the proud Pharisaical Professor refuseth the Wedding-Dinner though bidden and invited as this Nights Watch-Man with many more have been and have done Then he goes on in his former Manner in battering against his own raised up Bulwark saying I contradicted my self in the Relation of Nicholas Woodman in Page 9. because I said Many were baptized by William Kiffin This is not Contradiction at all to my saying Nicholas Woodman was the first Baptist Preacher raised up in the County of Kent and so I say again for they are my Words in my Book to which I refer the Reader and then Judge who is the Two-Fac'd Man and a Perverter of Words and compare my Testimony to his and then judge whether he hath answered singlely or may not be justly called a Watchman of the Night by his vailing of himself with his Night-Garments under a Hood with two Faces and then Harlot like wipe his Mouth as if all were well and lays his Lyes to my Charge of which I could make a large Bundle and of slanderous Aspersions and scoffing Language which his untimely Birth is filled with I have been short considering the large Advantage I might and could have taken as for Lyes I can prove at least Six or Seven more then I have answered unto And then his slanderous Words of Woodman's being my Brother and plucking out mine own Bowels to besmier them as for Wood● an I de●i●d him in Time past before I lest the Carnal Baptists and their Carnal Worship and beggerly Elements which he continued in long after preaching up and down so no Brother of mine but theirs Root and Branch And as for the plucking out of my Bowels an Inhuman or Unchristian like Word to besmeer them in saying That he was the first Baptist Preacher raised up in the County of Kent for they were my Words which I still affirm for Truth though by this Night-watch-Man Perverted into another Sence now wherein are they besmeered by me by calling him their Root more then they have fouled themselves by continuing in his foot-steps only in this they differ he was for the Particular Election and they for the General as more at large may be seen in my Looking-Glass And as for my being a lewd Ranter as he slanderously and maliciously accuses me if it were true as it s notoriously false that would not now help his bad cause for what saith the Apostle such were some of you but now ye are wash'd but ye are sanctified and you who were sometimes Darkness are now Light in the Lord c. Yet this blind Watch-Man thinks in his dark Heart that his accusing me for Time past for want of present matter to accuse me now of or ever since I have been call'd a Quaker will help his bad and dark Cause and Pharisaical Profession or crying out I thank thee O Father that I am not as this Publican is or once was c Tedious would it be to answer all at large but this day is this Scripture Isa 28.21 22. fulfilled upon this Mocker God is a doing of his Work his strange Work and bringing to pass his Act yea his strange Act now therefore be ye not Mockers lest your Bands be made strong And all whose Eyes are in their Head may clearly see this Man's Bands of Darkness made strong indeed that dares so Presumptuously Preach and Print against the Life and Light of Christ Jesus and this is all he hath to cover himself with and Hole this Fox hath to creep into to wit in calling it the Quakers Erroneous Light and the Dark Light of the Quakers but that Cover is too narrow to hide him under and that Bed is too short to stretch himself on and will be so found in the Day of the Lord when his Blasphemy shall be charg'd upon his own Head But now I shall return to his three Particulars in pag. 1. to prove C. B. in Fellowship with the Quakers and led by their Spirit saith he First Bayly Prophesied saw false Visions and pretended to Miracles 2dly He was then in Fellowship with the Quakers 3dly He was led by their Spirit Now if his last be false as it is on which his whole Building depends and by the Truth being removed then must all his Work and Labour fall as dirt cast into a Dunghil And that his last is false take this Answer as followeth Christ Jesus prophesied That false Prophets should arise and deceive many who transform themselves into many things like the true Prophets to deceive as their Father the Devil did those whose Minds are outward yea and if possible the very Elect whose Minds are inward yet who dare charge the true Apostles to be led by the same Spirit the false were except Cain and Ishmael's Off spring and the false Prophets under the Law that stole their words from their Neighbours and they ran and prophesied when the Lord never sent them and therefore they profitted

not the People yet we do not read of any but Blasphemers against God so perverse as this Night-Watch-man is to charge the true Prophets Spirit with the false Prophets Presumption and Wickedness as he doth the Light of Christ our Principle with C. B's Presumption and Wick●dness And then again Antichrist the Man of Sin he sits in the Temple of God and saith that he is God and under the Name of Christ doth work in the Mystery of Iniquity and so doth great Evils under the Name of Christianity as this day we see Christendom full of Abomination by which it is become as a Wilderness for Beasts of Prey to live in now is it kind Dealing with the Christians to charge them to be led by the spirit of Antichrist because he pretends to the same ●pirit which the true Christians are led by Nay would not this Watch man think himself wronged to be so charged yea surely but if he were yet were he not so much wronged as we are by his charging our Principle with C. B's spirit and the Effects thereof for if our Fellowship stood only in outward and bodily Exercise as the Fellowship of Water-dipping and Christendom's Fellowship by Sprinkling doth then might our Principle be the easier charged with his spirit but because our Principle the Light the Grace the Word of the invisible God is that in which our Fellowship stands with God in Holiness and Truth therefore not to b● judged by the Practice of Evil Men and this to wit their Carnal Fellowship is the cause of their thus Opposing Gain saying and Blaspheming against the Light of Christ which whosoever walketh therein hath Fellowship with God and one with another And this Night-Watch-man saith If this to wit Bayly 's Actions be not a Proof of Bayly being in Fellowship with the Quakers then he knows not what is and here I believe him that our Fellowship he knows not no more then Christendom at large doth and in this his Ignorance must we leave him till he can believe in the Light which will give him to see and know wherein our Fellowship stands Another Proof that C. B. was in Fellowship with the Quakers he had because some joyned with him in Prayer and heard him Preach and one fell on the Ground which is now none of the smallest Quakers in Dover saith this Accuser All this proves not the Matter no more then the Weakness of a Young Child can p●ove the Strength of a Strong Man and now is it Reasonable to judge the Principle of the Quakers by the Actions of them which were but just then as it were convinced and being very young and tender as I said before in my Looking-Glass for the Baptists they could not easily discern and were afraid to judge And now to judge the Principle and Fellowship by such surely amongst Wise Men this will be counted Folly and condemned for Prejudice And in pag. 9. he saith If Duke Howard had proved by some convincing Arguments that the Quakers Light is Christ as he Scoffingly calls it and then made it appear that the Baptists had Blasphemed in denying that Men are Redeemed and justified by that L●ght within themselves and not rather by Faith in the Death the Resur●ection and Ascension of Christ without us for us which is the ch●ef Point in Controversie between us saith this Opposer of Christ the Life and Light of Men and so indeed it is and now that I have in my first Answer proved and in this second also that Christ is the true Light which lighted every Man that comes into the World is as clear as the Sun But saith this Scoffer at the Light that if he had prov'd that the Quakers Light is Christ c. as if the Quakers Light and the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World were two here we affirm to all the World that we never spoke of any other Light in us but that which all Men are lighted with even Christ a Light to lighten the Gentiles and the Glory of Israel and if this Christ the Light Life Wisdom and Power of God be not in us Governing and Ruling we are Reprobate as well as others according to the whole currant of Scripture which is the Mystery hid from the Rebellious in all Ages and Generations but in all the Obedient Christ within the Hope of Glory and Christ in you except you be Reprobates said Paul and this is our Light wherein our Fellowship stands with God and one with another and this all are Ignorant of who make it their Business to Gainsay him in his second Appearance in the Light and Spirit in which we are to know him to our Souls Salvation if ever we be saved from Sin by him And now what is written in the holy Scripture concerning Christ Jesus his Birth Sufferings Death Resurrection and Ascension we do believe as much as any men living and so I do believe Paul did who said Henceforth know we him no more It is also said by John He that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is born of God Do not the Papists Protestants and all Sects yea even Drunkards and Lyars that are shut out of the Kingdom and all called Christians confess to the truth of God's manifesting himself in the Body of Jesus which he had prepared to do the Will in even from the Birth to the Ascension But will or dares any man say that those are born of God because all those confess God manifested himself in Flesh and this Faith is as much as this Night-Watch-man pleadeth for or doth believe of Christ in point of Justification as his own words witness against him saying But rather in Christ without us for us To which I answer by living Experience That Christ Jesus who offer'd up his Body through the Eternal Spirit and pour'd out his Soul unto Death and tasted Death for every man those his Sufferings have a living Extent unto every one that doth believe and feel the Power by which he laid down that Body and took it up again and these are they unto whom he becomes a Saviour from Sin and gives them an Inheritance into Glory and those which believe only the offering up of the Body and feel not that eternal Power to save from Sin made manifest to them in his spiritual hight cannot have a real Sense and Feeling of the Benefit of his Death whatsoever they may pretend to of Faith in his Blood neither can they have Salvation to their Souls and this is my Answer as a Testimony to the true Faith and Christ of God a Quickning Spirit the same yesterday to day and forever who was Glorified with the Father before the World began from Everlasting to Everlasting the Rock of Ages and so Israel's Rock which they drunk of for they drunk of the Rock which follow'd them which Rock was Christ the Foundation of all the Generations of the Righteous in all Ages Christ