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A02779 A discoursiue probleme concerning prophesies how far they are to be valued, or credited, according to the surest rules, and directions in diuinitie, philosophie, astrologie, and other learning: deuised especially in abatement of the terrible threatenings, and menaces, peremptorily denounced against the kingdoms, and states of the world, this present famous yeere, 1588, supposed the greatwonderfull, and fatall yeere of our age. By I.H. physition. Harvey, John, 1564-1592. 1588 (1588) STC 12908; ESTC S103904 90,621 134

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téeth Now concerning the credit estimation and authoritie of the ancient fathers and other learned Diuines at first mentioned which some haply may and will no doubt cast in my dish as mightie supporters of this Iewish monument whose affirmatiue censures haue already persuaded diuers and shall doubtlesse still preuaile and passe for currant verities amongst many without any further or déeper inquirie either into their Chronologicall reckonings or Theologicall expositions albeit otherwise for their other notable learning profound iudgement renowned works and Christian paines woorthie eternall memorie I must reuerence their names and honour their spirituall gifts yet in this one point I cannot in reason or conscience according to science but as well suspect their Diuinitie as mislike their chronologie the first being in sort as contradictorie to the prescript word of the Gospell according to Saint Marke Cap. 13 vers 33. Watch and pray for ye know not when the time shall be as the other is varying and dissonant from that account which is now Vnanimi consensu receiued for the surest and truest computation They will néedes soueraignly allow of the prophesie of Elias and what a gods name but that or who but he The world this whole world must néedsly end at or before 6000. yéeres why man doth not he which is not woont to lie doth not the great prophet doth not Elias himselfe say so Indéed it were a sufficient argument of diuine authoritie if they could substantially prooue that the very Canonicall Eliah had spoken or written it but in the meane while peruse some of their owne writings research their antiquities compare their chronologies examine their records and registers and shall you not find according to the historical Computes euen of sundry these fauorites that there are alreadie passed aboue 6000. yéeres yea and according to other some of their adherents aboue 7000. yéeres sithence the worlds creation to these daies wherein we liue How such reckonings and summings hang togither let them consider which ascribe so much vnto antique names and make so high account of the outward superficiall barke of forged words but what néedeth any further inuectiue or refutation Is not the sentence of their owne mouth a sufficient proofe against them If the prophesie of Elias be vndoubtedly true these reckonings must doubtlesse be false but if these reckonings be certainly false shall therefore the prophesie of Elias be certainly true That followeth not by any diuine or humane rule of reasonable consequence but therefore they are both false bicause they as well swarue from the right compasse of approoued allowance in humanitie as also bicause they cannot indure the infallible touch stone of diuinitie being onely phantastically builded vpon the sandy foundation of mans conceite whose essential substance is ignorance and whose inseparable accident is error Quis enim non fallitur For who is not misaduised or deceiued otherwhiles Or who assuredly knoweth what shall befall him vnder the Sunne Then as concerning the answere of the angell Vriell vnto that profound question and mystical Probleme of Esdras Whether there were more quantitie of time to come than was past or more quantitie of time past than was to come which text is imagined to be a perfect proofe and inuincible confirmation of the assertion or position of Eliah whereby shuld appéer that the time future after Esdras was not likely to be comparable vnto that which had passed before him As I may probably and lawfully doubt with S. Hierome other notable diuines whether the doctrine it selfe be Canonicall and aboue all exception wholy irreprehensible so I no lesse reasonably perswade my selfe that it cannot be so warrantably alleadged in maintenance of Elias tradition as some to that purpose haue quoted it for although it may likewise appéere thereby that the world is now in the decaying or decrepit yéeres and euen almost at the last cast as they say which by the founder doctrine of the Euangelistes and Apostles themselues is also ratified yet forsomuch as there is here a generall verdict giuen out and that onely by way of question and indefinite comparison not any farther speciall sentence pronounced by way of decision or definitiue iudgement how shall this interrogatiue affirmation and irresolute resolution be auerred to confirme or determine that certaine number and expresse continuance of 6000. yéeres Nay if we precisely respect the iust degrée of comparison and right proportion of the Analogy which argueth as much difference or distance betwéene the time past and the time to come as is betwéene a great water and a little or betwéene a great fire and a little shall we not by chronologicall subduction infer a farre more discrepant conclusion and in truth a farre greater confusion than is yet mentioned But there is also another Apocriphal reuelation touching the worlds durabilitie which God himselfe is reported to haue declared and intimated vnto the saide Esdras out of a bush in this form or tenor of words The world hath lost his youth and the times or ages are waxen old for the world is diuided into twelue parts and ten parts are gone thereof already and halfe of the tenth part also and there remaineth onely that which is after the halfe of the tenth part therefore set thy house in order and so foorth Go to now is there any greater concordance or Synchronisme betwéene the prophesie of Elias and this text than is argued betwéene the same and the former Or rather shall we not finde a greater discrepance incongruence if we search the matter to the quicke Let the diuision of those twelue partes be made according to the number of the yéeres of Elias as it néeds must in case that be the certaine number of the worlds age and shall not euery part containe iust 500. yeeres Of which if we take away ten parts that is ten times 500. and halfe the tenth part that is halfe 500. which is 200. 50 shuld there not remaine from the time of that reuelation to Esdras vnto the perfect consummation of this world aboue 700. and 50. yéeres Which being added to 3500. yéers about which time Ab orbe condito Esdras florished do they produce any more in the totall sum than 4250. yéeres At which periode the extréeme and final conflagration should haue kindled had this prophesie of Esdras and that of Elias béene agréeably consonant and vniforme Wherefore the grosse and notorious difference of 1030. yéeres which is alreadie passed betwéene them must of necessitie condemne the one but vnto which the more credite is to be yéelded let other iudge one of the two must néedesly be granted either that the Iewish Elias was no true prophet or that he who instructed Esdras was no true God The resolution I leaue as well to the priuate consideration of euery christian conceite as to the publike determination of the church Other circumstances and appendences might be probably interlaced touching this pretended oracle in effect nothing differing from the like