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A96895 A just account of truth and peace, given-in by brethren, lovers of and fellow-helpers to both, wherefore they must open their matters to the view of the world, speaking them, in their respective places, as upon the house-tops, which else had been spoken in darknesse privately, and as in the eare. Woodward, Ezekias, 1590-1675. 1656 (1656) Wing W3493; Thomason E868_5; ESTC R207686 17,576 27

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thus it was as you very well know SECT II. YOu would needs point us to something your Son had written for that Title better becomes us though Childe better befits him in our Treatise of prayer as if you would have us take speciall notice thereof which indeed we have done for so a providence cast it else we had not looked into it having a Transcript of the same but upon your motion you telling us where we should find your son's hand we quickly turned to it and found as you said taking as you willed-us speciall notice thereof Not because your Son did write it but because you his Father suffered him so to doe against th' old and knowne rule of Civility as Schollars would say and of all good manners too which you could not have suffered to be done it is our perswasion had you not had a vile account of our Pastour who was chiefe if not alone in that worke See! when a father contemneth a man but what is the Contempt of a man suppose it little or much or how small a thing is it with him to be accounted vile in another's eyes who is we hope yet more vile in his owne but see when a Father vilifieth a man his Son indulget sibi latius will vilifie him much more and venture so arrogant and bold youth is to passe judgement in those matters which he understandeth not so well now as he whom your Son so rashly judgeth and dealeth so as some would say withall as to say He blasphemeth understood them before your Son was borne But all this argueth your high Confidence That the Truth in those points to which our Debate relates is on your side Be it so though it be but your Confidence the same with Mr H yet to charge us our Pastour specially so deeply for maintaining the Contrary You giving a Charge to speake our minds and to make them legible in those matters is as some have said but one peg at the most below impudence And this is all we will say in this place telling you what some say and haply they would adde though we forbeare Onely we would leave you after you shall have heard more to passe sentence on your selfe and your son for this behaviour We will turne aside from this a little and returne to it at the last so soone as we have taken-in three or foure things first for so you have thought fitt we had almost said to face us yea to force us SECT III. WEE as we were saying fully intended to cease the strife sith it hath proved such a thing and to leave the Debate with Him the Judge of all the world and know's the hearts of all men who will we hope shew you and us in His owne best time Who hath spoken much and in desire and Endeavour as much to purpose who hath said little in Comparison and yet lesse to the matters under hand And yet should you be able to putt off all with that old putt-off whereto some thing will be replied anon after multa dicit nihil probat The man speaks much and proves nothing or nothing concludingly and so folly is with us for your charge of Blasphemie yours which you suffered to be charged is too high why yet supposing all that The errour is on our side and Truth on yours which were strange if not impossible you sideing with M Hs and driving-on with him in the same way Notwithstanding we faint not in our minds For our matters are humbly committed to th' onely wise God Who is able and we are Confident He will make emprovements out of folly on whose side soever it be and give advantage to His Truth by the breaking-out of Errour and falsity As it is one of the highest acts of Grace so one of us have read in man to render good for evill so is it one of the highest acts of power to draw good out of evill Upon this God All sufficient we waite He alwayes hitherto hath extracted the cleane thing of His Glory as one saith upon Daniel out of the filthinesse of Man's sin our Confidence is He will doe so now He brought light out of Darknesse at the first marveilous in our eyes not hard and difficult to Him By His Grace wee will Trust Him He will make a blessed yea a Glorious method of these Cursed Confusions caused by Mr Hs in His house and notwithstanding all is said against it by learned and godly men maintained by you 2. And Sir That we may tell you our boastings in our God our hope being set on Him This good is come of it already which wee will call a good blessing wee meane of this Debate in Reference to free Admission of all to all Church-Communions upon account of their Infant Baptisme onely without making so much as a profession of their Faith and repentance your Brothers conceit Wee were saying This good is come of it That we are aboundantly satisfied as to the Negative hearing it as clearely made out unto us from the word of God as if it had been written with the Sun-beames And by the helpe of His Grace we shall hold unto it while life is held within us being the more confirmed if more can be and our foote more established in that way by that little or nothing you have said against it for you have said all for Mr Hs and not a word for the way of Holinesse so as neither your selfe nor all the men of your way and judgement though so numerous that they fill the Countries no good argument of their goodnesse or the straightnesse of their way can be able to draw us aside from this way God hath pointed us to leadeth us in and you called us sorth to maintaine notwithstanding the shockes against it scornings and blastings upon it and upon us for the way's-sake not more able we were saying to draw us from it than ye are able to remove a mountaine from it's roots or stay the Sunne in it's Course or blow it out with a paire of bellowes So strong is Truth and so strong are all they that by the good Hand of their God are stablished therein Wee adde this more This Truth you accounting it an Errour and of the latest Date called us forth to maintaine how weakly soever maintained by us as you say and we doe not gaine-say shall be glorious notwithstanding for it needs not our patronage in the eyes of the Lord and of His people when your loose and more than airy Tenet against it The same with Mr Hs shall be for an hissing unto both To use worthy Mr Palmers words Though yet you are pleased to call it This Truth avouched by us we meane The sicknesse of our fancy a Novell thing never heard off in the world till now of late yeares and had dyed in the vessell had not we broached-it or set it a tap as we may say in the place we live-in To that purpose you speake and so
or don by him was childish while he was a child so happely in the next step of our life which is youth he that is a youth thinks as a youth speaks as a youth acts as a youth all in him or don by him is youthfull that is subject to miscarriages and mistakes therefore wee as wee were saying regarded little what the son said speaking of his own nor can wee think it strange that a youth should act like a youth every age of our life having something peculiar to its self But this we think strange That the son charged our book so in the presence of his father and where two learned and pious Divines as is meete for us to judge were present at the same time whose names wee shall mention in the ensuing papers You have heard our case wee will detaine thee no longer when wee have added this That having offered our matters succeslesly to that Minister returning them with such a castigation as the like wee think hath not been heard or read though wee were charged by him to give him our perswasion and the reason thereof in reference to the matters aforesaid we find our selves constrained to make our matters publick which we doe the more cheerfully being confident of this thing That there is nothing here or in that which may follow after which is against piety or charity for wee had rather our bones should be scattered like chips about the hewing-place than that our pen which hath the advantage of the tongue more hearers should as others doe in this scribling age scatter errour and wickednesse among the people as the Scorpion its poyson Wee trust the Good Hand of Him our onely leane-to and that leads into all truth so far as that wee hope you shall find Truth all along and mannaged in our measure as becometh sons of truth and fellow-helpers of the same This Good Spirit direct your heart to the love of Christ which onely is constraining to love Truth and peace and to keepe both as thou keepest the apple of thine eye or thy chiefest Treasure Amen In the Name and by the appointment 10. 5. 55. of their Pastour HEZEKIAH WOODVVARD SECT 1. TRue is the Proverb Sir The beginning of strife is as when one lets-out water stirred quickly not so quickly stinted so like water it is of a spreading nature or as like unto fire which may breake-forth from a bramble and devour a Cedar There is no such feare of our fire as you are pleased to call it though being now let-out it may spread like water and so it shall doe if wee can help the spreading of it That it may appeare how and where it began with the rise and originall of it how it was raised yea forced From whence you may learne and studie to be quiet and meddle in your own matters walking peaceably in your owne way so pleasing in your owne eyes And not meddle with others in theirs fully resolved from the word of God to be the way of Truth and of Holinesse Surely it had been no contemptible point of your wisdome and might have argued good Discretion To have left this contention before it was meddled with which to render according to th' originall you may better skill of than we Onely this we would say as to the stirring in this strife againe That wee did not use lightnesse nor did wee purpose according to the flesh never more to meddle therein for so we said to you in our last intending it the last you should ever have from us either by Letter word or otherwise in reference to those matters under Debate For as wee said then To what end we had given our opinion as you willed us and there might have been an end Wee have experienced this Truth That Errour is as binding upon the Conscience and as strongly embraced by the affections as Truth is binding of us and Embraced by us not in the name of an Errour but of Truth And men are therefore wedded to and in love with their owne Conceptions because how monstrous and hard-favoured soever in themselves yet nothing is more beautifull in their eye than they No man saith the Apostle ever hated his owne flesh but loveth and cherisheth it The flesh of our minds such are all false principles and positions is more loved and cherished by us than the flesh of our Bodyes A light intimation we proceed in his words upon Iob 22 verse or onely the appearance of a probability will amount to a proof against either persons or doctrines which we like not But the clearest Demonstration will hardly raise a jealousie against what we like You have given Sir we feare a very sad experience of this very thing For how stubborne and unmoved are you from Mr H s his errour in point of admission of all filthinesse all over and wallowing therein as swine in the mire admitted notwithstanding to all Church-Communions the Lords Supper and all Though the strongest winds of Truth have breathed yea blowne hard upon it That you might not be willingly ignorant of this very thing and withall to shew our deare respects unto you wee told you That foure Worthies of the Lord had Encountred with Mr H s about the premises and with as much ease to phrase it as one doth and with like successe as the fire doth the dried stubble and yet he stubbornely holds to it for ought we know we know you doe remaining in the same minde with him that foreforne man Generally we think deceived by the Godly all over the Land as a Mountaine unmoved to this very houre Wee know not which is worse but leave it to you to judge Vnsetlednesse in the Truth and an Easinesse to let it goe or tenaciousnesse in an error and an hardnesse to let it goe Nor doe we know well which is worse a readinesse to take up hard thoughts of our Brethren or unreadinesse to lay them downe onely this we know Were the lawes of Zeale for God observed and of Love to man you could not as we thinke Despise the day of small things or rhe least breathings or faintest endeavours of any how meane and weake soever as babes in Christ use to be enquiring after Truth and that old but now forsaken way of holinesse Asking the way to Zion with their faces thetherward saying Come c. Ier 50. 5. And did you observe the Law of Charity to man it would cause you to examine every ground of suspicion against a Brother twice before you did indeed suspect him once And you would rejoyce in any appearance of his innocence whereby you might discharge your owne Spirit of all suspicions concerning him These words we hope will not be as wind with you though ours are and have been to this time Therefore as we said we had sorborne to speak nay we doe forbeare to speake more unto you unlesse you happen to light on it but forbeare to speake we may not we cannot for