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A43661 A letter sent from beyond the seas to one of the chief ministers of the non-conforming party by way of reply to many particulars which he sent to the author in a letter of news / by a lover of the established government both of church and state. Hickes, George, 1642-1715.; Clarendon, Edward Hyde, Earl of, 1609-1674. 1674 (1674) Wing H1855; ESTC R12608 16,745 38

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A LETTER Sent from beyond the SEAS To One of the CHIEF MINISTERS OF THE NON-CONFORMING PARTY By way of Reply to many Particulars which He sent to the Author in a Letter of News Useful for these Distempered Times By a Lover of the Established Government both of Church and State ANNO DOMINI M. DC LXXIV A Letter sent from beyond the Seas to one of the Chief Ministers of the Non-conforming Party Dear Cousin I Was very glad to receive your Letter but very far from being glad to find you still so extreamly desirous of Innovations in a Government so well established as that is under which you live I perceive you are more zealous than it becomes a good Subject or a good Christian to be for carrying on a Project of my Lord Choses's as Unreasonable as New viz. That of Disabling a Papist to Inherit the Crown For doubtless that proposal was first made and afterwards promoted by him the last Sessions of Parliament not out of true Love to the Reformed Religion but out of Spite or Revenge to the D. of Y Who were he not only Papist but Heathen or Mahumetan which I think is not much worse would certainly have as good a Title to his Crown and all his Temporal Rights as if he were the most Orthodox and Holy Christian in the World And I am perswaded that my zealous Lord Chose would not be willing that the King and Parliament should make a particular Act to disable his own Posterity to Inherit the great Estate he hath got if they should turn Papists or Atheists as others have done before them We all know what mischief in the World that Damnable Doctrine has made That Temporal Rights and Inheritances depend upon Saintship and Grace And if it be clear from Scripture as nothing is more clear that a King ought not to lose his Crown or any other Person for feit his Temporal Rights for not being Christians or for renouncing the Christian Religion then it is plain that neither the D nor any other Person ought to be deprived of their Temporal Rights especially Crowns of all Temporal Rights the greatest for not being Protestants or which is more for renouncing the Christian Religion And I am heartily glad that God gave the Fathers of the English Church the grace to defend her Doctrine in opposing that Unreasonable and truly Romish Proposal of my Lord Chose which if they had approved and defended after it was proposed they had truly acted in that like men Popishly affected and shewed themselves to be what their Adversaries would fain perswade the World they are For 't is the Romish Church and her Doctors which maintain That Kings Excommunicated or Heretick Kings or which is all one that Kings that renounce the Apostolick Faith ought to be Deprived and Deposed But 't is the Church of England that maintains the contradiction of that Unscriptural Unevangelical Principle and thinks her self as much obliged to submit her self to a Heathen Atheistical Heretical or Popish Prince where she can as to an Orthodox King and where she cannot she thinks her self obliged to suffer as her Saviour like a Lamb brought to the slaughter and dares pretend to take up no Arms but those of the Primitive Christians whose true Copy she is Tears Arguments and Prayers I say it is the Church of England that is of this judgment and neither the Church of Rome nor the Church of Scotland both of which have actually Excommunicated and Deposed Lawful and Rightful Princes under the Notion of being Hereticks and Enemies to Christ's Kingdom forgetting both alike the Precepts and Examples of our Saviour and his Apostles on which the Church of England hath grounded the contrary Doctrine as well as on right reason Our Saviour though God rendred unto the Heathen Caesar the things that were Caesar's he owned his right to the Empire both by word and deed although he were but the adopted Successor of the greatest Usurper that ever was in the World Nay furthermore he owned and submitted to the Procuratory Power of Pilate who acted but by Commission from the Emperour Tiberius who if there be any truth in the Character of Tacitus was the greatest Tyrant and the most wicked man that ever the World saw And as for St. Paul there is no Article of our Religion not even that that Jesus Christ is the Son of God more clear in his Epistles than that Every Soul should be subject to the Higher Powers That we should Obey not only for Wrath but Conscience sake That whosoever resisieth receiveth to himself Damnation and lastly that all the Powers and when he wrote there were none but Heathen Powers were Ordained of God I might here insist upon the Practice of the Apostles as it is represented in their Acts and the constant Submission and Sufferings of the Primitive Christians as they are reported by the Ecclesiastical Fathers and Historians but the Scripture it self is sufficient to demonstrate the truth of this Argument which the Church of England has not only established in her Doctrine but her Fathers and Sons of late maintained in their Practices and which the Church of Scotland agreeing in this and many other Points with that of Rome did ever oppose both in Word and Deed. And since that Kirk and Nation have been of this Opinion we need not wonder that the English Disciples of their Buchanan and Knox have practised those rebellious Principles which have so debauched and corrupted the Subjects of the Kings of England as to make them be proverbially called The Kings of Devils And which the Anabaptists in Germany improved into this Maxim That Saintship was the Foundation of Soveraignty and that the Righteous ought to Inherit the Earth And furthermore if Crowns ought to be Entailed upon Protestants only then it is but just that the Estates of all Subjects whatsoever should be so Entailed And if for example the D of Y must be cut off from his Rights for being a Roman Catholick then let the rest of the Papists lose theirs they are all alike Idolaters and let them all alike suffer And to bring the Case to your own House can you imagine that you your self ought to lose your Right to the Estate you have or may have hereafter upon that supposition that you should turn Papist which men as firmly resolved against it as you have certainly done These Practises and Proposals are such that they have left a blot on the memories of some men that seem more zealous than their Brethren And I am glad at present that the Religious Lord Chose is the Chief Patron and Promoter of such an Unreasonable and Romish Design I have more than ordinary reason to call it Romish because I have heard it maintained here among all the Priests I converse with It is a Doctrine dearly beloved by the Romanists And put but the name of Heretick to a Prince here and it is just the same case as when you call a
and Government of the Church of England And if you would do so too how happy a thing would this be both for your selves and the Nation Or seeing as you pretend you cannot yet at least live peaceably and forbear to trouble the World with compassing Sea and Land that is by doing all that you can like your Fathers of old the Pharisees to make Proselytes when yet you cannot shew any sinful condition of communion with the Church of England nor prove your way of worship as Apostolical as that of hers from which out of Pride Interest or Ignorance or partly all together you dissent I am sure this would rather become the dissenting Brethren than to foment Divisions raise Parties betake themselves to the wickedness of men as of late to and cry up the Kings Prerogative which they formerly cried down which with many other self-contradictions confirms me in an opinion you know I was of before That in those matters wherein you differ from us you are men of no Principles and know not where to fix I have enlarged upon this Theam more than I thought to do at first because the Papists here in France complain as loudly as you of the cruelty of the same and other of our Laws and cry out wherever they come how their Brethren have been and still are persecuted among us though with this difference that in disputing ad hominem their case is far more reasonable and pleadable than yours As for you I protest I wish that the Laws you complain of had never been made and though perhaps I am willing to grant they are very hard Laws considering you as free-born Subjects of England yet I will maintain that the Execution of them is not Persecution although you be considered as the only true Christians in the World For as I hinted before you have the Liberty in your Houses to profess what Religion you please and to worship God in what manner you will and for fear your Family should not be a just Congregation you may have five more but for fear you should do as you have formerly done you are not to have five Hundred or five Thousand which Liberty not only the Primitive Christians but our own Ancestors an hundred years ago would have called a Blessing and a Priviledg and have heartily thanked God and the King for the same And God grant we may never see that time in England when truly tender Consciences will esteem so much Liberty as the greatest Blessing in the World The good Protestants here in France though their Religion is made an obstacle to all State-preferments though it disable them to sit in the Courts of Parliaments except just so many as serve in the Chamber of Edicts to decide Controversies between Protestants and Papists or to have any other Charges of Judicature or any high Offices in the Army though their Numbers are much diminished and their Interest weakned by a Prohibition to marry with Roman Catholicks and by a Capital Law which makes it Death to return Protestants after they have once turn'd Papists and though a great number of their Temples have been demolished some under a pretence that they were built since the Edict of Nantes others that they were built without License and others that they were built upon Holy Ground so that hereby they are forced in very many places to the grievous inconvenience of going two three four or five Leagues to Church if not more and though all the Places of Strength where they do abound are demolished and Cittadels are erected to awe them in other Towns where they are numerous though their own particular Hospitals and all other perpetual Provisions for their Poor are taken away and they disabled either living or dying to give any settled Maintenance either to their own Ministers or People as to endowe Churches build Schools Colledges or Hospitals c. nay though they are deprived of the benefit of other Hospitals provided for the rest of the Subjects and although their Ministers are forbid to speak against the Pope or to Preach against the Romish Religion with half that freedom and plainness that you dare speak against the Church of England or to Preach in any places but those few appointed by the King though they are forbidden to call the Papists in their Sermons by any other name but that of Catholicks or to make mention of their Religion and Ceremonies without Reverence and Respect though they are forbid to call themselves Priests or Pastors and have no other Title allowed them but only Ministres de la Religion pretenduë Reformée and though it be Enacted that their Religion shall be called by no other name in any Publick Acts Registers c. Though they are forbidden to bury their dead in Catholick Churches or Church-yards even where the deceased Person was Patron of the Church or where his Ancestors had purchased Burying-places for their Families Though they are forbid to make any Publick Exhortations or Prayer or to sing Psalms at their Burial Though they are forbid to Instruct or Condole those of their own Religion in Prisons or Hospitals or to Pray with them in a voice so loud as to be heard by the standers by though they are forbid to make any Collections of Money among themselves but such as are permitted and regulated by the Edicts of the King Though they are forbid to Work or open their Shops on Romish Holy-daies or to sell Flesh on their Fasting-daies c. I say the good Protestants here in France notwithstanding all this hard dealing are yet so far from complaining of Persecution that they shew themselves thankful both to God and the King for the Liberty and Indulgence they enjoy Indeed they will complain for the aforesaid Reasons that their Religion is very much discouraged and they themselves hardly used But Persecution is a Notion that they never think or speak of when they discourse of their own condition being very far though not so far as you from a state of Martyrdom which consists in a forcible obligation to suffer or renounce the Truth And therefore Cousin I beseech you and conjure you not to misuse the name of Persecution again It is a very sinful way thus to abuse and amuse the Vulgar by calling things by their wrong names and as to this particular honest and knowing men will be apt to suspect that through the name of Persecution you have a design to make your Governors pass for Tyrants and your selves for Martyrs To conclude If this which you call Persecution be not such indeed then I doubt not but they who mis-call it so that is all presumptuous or affectedly gn●orant Schismaticks without bitter pangs of Repentance will be persecuted by the God of Peace himself to a sad and endless eternity As for the Bill of Comprehension if such a thing can be I heartily wish it had passed into an Act for I think it would have been much to the advantage and