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A43313 An essay for the discovery and discouraging of the new sprung schism raised and maintained by Mr Simon Henden of Bennenden in Kent. Exhibited in some passages of writing which have gone between Mr John Elmeston of Cranebroke, and the same M. Henden. Published according to order. Elmeston, John.; Henden, Simon, attributed name. 1652 (1652) Wing H1429B; ESTC R216858 34,427 52

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his Kingdom for they are Gods Ordinances in appointing which his soveraign Power Wisdom and Goodnesse are set forth Secondly Particularly in and by a visible Church his Worship is upheld among men his Religion is professed and the Doctrine of the Gospel published It is therefore called The Pillar of Truth 1 Tim. 3. 15. In and by an orderly Ministery the due honour and authority of that calling is maintained Gods holy things are ministred with the more assurance of Gods acceptation and hope of his blessing of them By Discipline scandals are prevented or healed and licentious living much restrained To deny therefore these things as unseasonable and so now unlawfull is to hinder the sanctifying of Gods Name and advancing of his Kingdome Thirdly It is against the Commandment of Christ concerning scandals which all Christians are bound to doe their endeavour to prevent or take away and for which Discipline by Christ is ordained the speciall Remedy which since you oppose what doe you but set your selfe against this command of Christ and open a Gate for sinnefull Liberty in erroneous Doctrine and loosenesse of Conversation Lastly It is prejudicial to mans Salvation which no rational man can or will deny must needs be better furthered in a setled Society of Saints under a constant Ministery and due exercise of Discipline then where none of these are But either an utter rejection of them or confusion in them And thus you have my Notions touching your new Revelations for which I have made you long to wait If you impute it to my dulnesse or sluggishnesse I will not deny it I am I confesse a man but of a dull apprehension and slow motion But I can more truely ascribe it to my late domestick troubles and sicknesse which I did slowly recover and to my want of time who have but by-times for such studies my greatest time being taken up with my School And to my pains which I have been fain to take in writing out more then one copy Now for conclusion I will onely adde a saying which Saint Augustine used unto one with whom he had debated some controversie by writing Vbiparit●r haesitas nobiscum quaeras nobiscum ubi pariter certus es nobiscum pergas nobiscum ubi tuum errorem cognoveris redeas ad nos ubi nostrum revoces nos Where you are in some doubt with us enquire with us where you are alike certain with us go on with us where you shall perceive your errour return to us where ours recall us And thus hoping that you will not take that with the left hand of mis-interpretation which I reach unto you with the right of good affection I rest Your truly loving and much well-wishing Friend in the Lord John Elmestone A Postscript WHat place of the Apocalyps I have before but touched upon I think meet again to propound for further consideration It is Chap. 15. 23. there John saw a sea of glasse mingled with fire and multitudes standing by it which had gotten the victory over the Beast and over his Image and over his Mark and over the number of his Name having Harps of God and singing the Song of Moses and of the Lamb Now I desire to know who these can be but the reformed Ministers and people that at the first Reformation for John saw them before the Vials began to be poured out renounced the Pope and Popery and set up the pure Worship of God and sound Doctrine of the Gospel meant by the sea of Glasse there mentioned If this be so as surely it is I ask 1. How those reformed Churches then or ours in these times which are more reformed or their Ministery can be affirmed to be bestial and Antichristian when the holy Ghost doth testifie for them that they had gotten the victory over the Beast his Image Mark and the very number of his Name 2. Whether it be not a slander partly coming from ignorance partly from malice to brand the Ordination of our Ministers though by Bishops much more when done by preaching Presbyters as now is in use with fasting and prayer as a mark of the Beast when it is so plainly said that all they i. e. Ministers as well as people had got the victory over the mark of the Beast in expresse terms 3. Whether the reformed Churches which got such a victory over all these yea even the number of the Beast his Name have not cast off their Babylonish Garments For what remains of that Garment where the Beast his Image Mark and Number of his Name are cashiered 4. Whether it be not a perverse practice to reject singing of Psalms in Church-meetings for Gods service whenas that company which was with the Lamb on Mount Sion Revel. 14. 3. and this by the sea of Glasse Verse 3. are praised for giving this Worship to the Lord Lastly There are some passages in your Letter seem to have slipped from you at unwares as That Teaching and Baptisme was everlasting That Prayer was alwayes That you are in a return from Babylon and yet are within the Territories of Babylon a speech which I cannot handsomly reconcile being meant of a spiritual departure from her Vive vale siquid novisti rectius istis Candidus imperti sinon his utere mecum Live and farewell if any thing you know Righter then these friendly do them bestow On me I pray if not then lo with me Make use of these which to you offer'd be A Postscript Reader I Would have thee know that M. Henden hath sent me an Answer unto this my last here printed large enough in words if as solid in Truth to the which I have begun some Reply and the Lord affording me strength and life mean to go thorow with it But in this businesse it much increaseth my labour that he hath sent to me a Copy in many places so closely written so often interlined and much blotted that in such places mine eyes thorow age being dim I cannot make out his full sense and meaning I moved himtherefore by Letter either for a fairer Copie on to print it as sometimes I was told was his intent To this request made a moneth since I can have no sair answer but what uncertain report brings me that I must content my self with that Copy as being not like to have any other from him This then is one main cause of my publishing these for●er passages between us that I may provoke M. Henden in like sort to publish his last writing that the Christian world may the better know the whole mystery of his new way and I may have a more plain Copy to inform my self and ground to proceed on in my intended Answer This is all and so I commend all to their impartial scanning by the word of truth J. E. FINIS The Printer to the Reader COurteom Reader Thou art desired to take notice that there are lately come out partly concerning the same subject viz. 1 A learned and full Answer to a Treatise entituled The Vanity of childish Baptism wherein the several Arguments brought to overthrow the lawfulnesse of Infants-Baptism together with the Answers to those Arguments maintaining its lawfulnesse are duly examined as also the Question concerning the necessity of dipping in Baptism is fully discussed By W. Cook Minister of the Word of God at Wroxal in Warwickshire 2. Vindiciae Redemptienis in the fanning and sifting of Sam. Oats his Exposition upon Mat. 13. 44. with a faithfull search after our Lords meaning in his two Parables of the Treasure and the Pearl endeavoured in several Sermons upon Mat. 13. 44 45. by John Stalham Pastor of the Church at Terling in Essex 3. The summe of a conference at Terling in Essex held between three Ministers John Stalham John Newton Enoch Gray of Terling of Little Baddo of Wickam Opponents pleading for Infant-Baptism and two Cata-Baptists Timotheus Bat Physician Thomas Lamb Sope-boiler of London Respondents denying Infants-Baptism John Geree's Sifters Sieve broken or a Reply to D. Boughers sisting my Case of conscience touching the Kings Coronation oath Two Books of his in Defence of Infants-Baptism in answer to M. Tombs Objections c. 4● M. Nehemiah Rogers a learned and reverend Divine now of New England discovering the cause of Gods continuing his wrath against this Nation All to be sold at the Crane in Pauls Church-yard See John Hollands Paper of the Ranters * Pardon the simile the man is unlike Ovid Meta. 3. * This in Mr Henden was quoted Isa. 66. for 56. which errour I not finding out said nothing in this writing to that place