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A75872 An answer to a book, titled, Quakers principles quaking: subscribed by the name of one Ralph Hale, with an epistle (so called) to the reader, subscribed with the name of one Zachariah Crofton. A principle of darkness, deceit, and confusion in Ralph Hale, and his fellow labourer in Sathans work Zachariah Crofton, is discovered by the Quakers principle, and the Quakers principle doth stand against the power of darkness, and all the false principles in the world, them to discover and lay open. The book was said to be modestly propounded by Ralph Hale, but in it I found so many lies, slanders, and false accusations, with confused, vain, and frivolous words, as many of them is not worth mentioning; yet, lest the author should boast in his mischief, I shall lay down somthing in answer to some few of them, in respect of the number of them. / A servant to the least in the houshold of faith, and the lest amonst his brethren, whose name in the flesh is William Adamson. Addamson, William, 17th cent. 1656 (1656) Wing A501; Thomason E897_3; ESTC R206690 24,865 37

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taste of Hamans cup and if God had not put a Bit into thy jaws and a hook into thy Nostrils to draw thee back from thy cruelty and so limited and chained the power of the murthe●ing prince of darkness in thee I pray thee what height of mischief would thy cruelty have reached unto where it l ghts if thou had power to act it seeing thy compassion and pity would not afford a harmless and despised people their liberty but thy pity would subject them to a Bedlam Discipline Here thou shews thy self to be of thy old grandfather Cain who was active in mischief and murther a cruel and envi us man like thy self but here thou truly fulfils that Scrip●ure Prov. 12.10 The tender mercies of the Wicked are cruel Priest And thou vents forth a long Oration of foaming smoaky words in reviling the Light with as scornful Titles as possibly the Divel can invent and thou sayest The Light drives the soul from every duty Answ I say for the soul first know what it is before thou talk of its Daties and first know thy own duty to cease from lying for that the light drives the soul from every duty that is one of thy lies it is darkness that drives from good duties and not the light Prie. The subjects of it sanctifies no Sabbaths saith thou Answ I say whether we who are called Quakers or you who accuse us of Sabbath-breaking do more truly sanctifie a Sabbath let all that read these following words consider First Do not your hireling parish-masters on that day that you call your Sabbath sell the stuff that they have stolen and bundled together I mean their Sermons as they call them some say they invent them by study but I say they rather gather them by stealth out of old Authors and other men● labours and so are they that steal the word from their Neig●b●urs and say the Lord saith it and the Lord never spoke to them And do not they take fifty pounds an hundred two or three in the year more or less as they can get for the work that they generally do on that day Do they not make it their Market day to sell their stuff on Is th●s to sanctifie a Sabbath to the Lord And do not the people that follow them and so much cry them up think their own thoughts speak their own words and do their own works on that day Nay Do not many of them use vain drinking vain gaming and sporting on that day Will they not go to a Steeple-house one part of that day and spend the rest of it on their own lusts or labours Is this to sanctifie a Sabbath to the Lord And thus both priest and people are profane And whether do you believe that Christ suffered and rose again by which the worship was taken from the seventh day yea or nay And if Yea then do thou prove where it was tyed to one day above another again by any command in Scripture as a day in seven The Apostles held their meeting on the first day of the week and on other days of the week and so do we what hast thou now against us concerning the sanctifying of a Sabbath We wait on the Lord in filence as his Spirit guides us and we worship him in Spirit and as he reveals his word to us we speak as his Spirit gives us utterance both in praises and in prayers to our God on the day which he hath chosen to himself and so do we celebrate an everlasting Sabbath unto the Lord our God on the m●unt of his Hol●ness where the day is without night Priest Seeks not God at any time in Prayer saith thou Answ I say that is another of thy lies as they can w●tness who have been at our meetings Priest Craves not so much as a blessing on their meat and drink sayest thou Answ That is another of thy lies as many can witness who have eaten with us though we do not utter words outwardly at all times that we eat according to the exp●ctation of some men whose tongues are at their own or other mens command who have not the word immediate from the Lord but their own invented words and so they can utter that when they please or if another man bid them when he please●h then they can either crave a blessing or give thanks as ye call it and such craving as this which stands not in Gods counsel but in m●ns customs fashions and wills we do utterly deny and the example of Christ we own whose example we follow in our measures to the gl ry of his praises Priest In a word it throws off every Act of Religion sayest thou Answ It seems that the Father of lies is so fully seated in thee that he hath brought thee to his will to vent forth thy lies for this is another of them the light keeps all them that are guided by it in the pure Religion to relieve the strangers widdows and fatherless and the light keeps them unspotted of the world who are guided by it and the light denies all hypocrites and lyars like thy self who hath not power over their words all whose Religion is vain Priest And thou accusest us that we reprove the very worship of God Answ Zachariah Crofton if the worship of God had stood in lying thou had been grown very high in it and that God that gives thee to vent forth these lies and his worship we do reprove and d●ny and the God Truth and holiness and his worship which stands in spirit and truth which Christ speak o● we do own but the worship of the god of this world which stands in mens wills in outward forms times and customs observing of days moneths and times of eating and drinking and out-side washings sprinklings dippings plungings and the like outward dead helpless and needless shadows we do reprove and do deny them Priest And thou accuseth us that we reprove Prayer Reading Hearing Receiving of Sacraments and so forth Answ I say that ever we reproved the prayers of the righteous that is another of thy lies for we own it both in heart and voice but the Prayers of such liers as thou art and vain repetition of words we reprove and do deny them and for thy saying that we reprove Reading and Heari●g that is more of thy lies for reading of the Scripture and hearing of them read in the meas●re of the Spirit that gave them forth we do own and for receiving of Sacraments for which there is no Scripture we reprove and do deny it and return them back to the Pope who invented many of them and the true Baptisme and the Lords Supper according to the Scripture we own Priest Even all the practises of Piety they decry sayest thou Answ Zachariah Crofton that is another of thy lies thou labours hard to get thy measure full where did either thou or any man else hear any of us speak against a godly and pious life but
Hale I have perused thy book over and in the front or first words that I found thou seems to me very highly to boast of some great piece of work done by thee by which the Quakers principles as thou calls them were like to be overthrown Titleing thy Book Quakers Principles quaking But now if it fall out with thee as it did with Haman thou maist blame thy self for it and if thy own weapons do cut off the head of thy boasting then remember what David did to Goliah Hale And in the Title page thou saith Modestly propounded by Ralph Hale an affectionate lover of Truth Admirer of sincere saving light c. Answ Ralph Hale If this be thy modesty in which thou hast propounded this stuff in thy book thou may yet go and learn what modesty is for here all may take notice of thy gross darkness and confusion Th●u sai h thou loves the Truth and yet admires of sincere saving light I say observe these following words Christ said I am the Truth and the Life John 14.6 and John said That life was the light of men John 1.4 and Christ himself said I am the light John 8.12 Observe here Christ said I am the Truth and Christ said I am the light and to us this light is sincere true and saving though thou admires thereof as thou saith Now all may take notice what love thou hast to the truth that puts a difference between the truth and the light and saith Thou art a lover of the one and yet an admirer of the other but if thou had loved the truth or known it thou had loved the sincere saving light also for Christ is the Truth and Chr st is the sincere saving light and thou saith thou admires of sincere saving light but thou art not the first that was of that generation that were despisers wonderers and admirers of Christ who is the sincere saving light Herod thy forefather and all Jerusalem with him were put into as great admiration and trouble as possibly thou can be now when they heard of Christ who is the sincere saving light Repent thou with speed lest thy end be like Herods But before I go any further remember that in the 25th page there speaking of the Scriptures to be the Law and Testimony thou sayest what ever pretended colour you put upon it if it be not Law and testimony proof I shall give no credit to it saith thou Now I say if that which thou affirms in thy Book cannot be proved by Scripture thou should not think much at me for denying it and turning it on thee again as false seeing thou hast owned the Scripture as the Rule and Touchstone to try words by and except thou be a lyar thou wilt give no credit to what thou hast affirmed that cannot be proved by Scripture And in four pages thou prints the Quakers paper as thou calls it and in the fifth page where thou speaks of an answer to it thou arr talking of the bended knees of thy soul Answ Ralph Hale here I charge thee to be one that speaks of what thou knows not in speaking of the soul and whether thou speaks good or evil of it thou speaks of what thou knows not and in the Title page of thy book thou sayest they speak evil of what they do not know take that to thy self and own it until thou can give an account what thine own soul is Hale And thou sayest thou looks upon it to be very dangerous piece to break and rend our selves from the Church of God Answ I say so do I too but to depart from hypocrites and false hirelings and such as seek their gain from their quarters which the Prophet called Dogs and such as Christ declared against who have Greetings in the Market and are called of men Masters I count it no danger to depart from such but a good duty which the Scripture joyneth upon us for after the Apostle hath reckoned up several evil workers he saith from such turn away 2 Tim. 3.5 Hale And thou sayest thou art able in some measure to d●stinguish between the Word of God and God the Word Answ I say the Father and the Son is one and the Son of God is the Word of God Rev. 19.13 his name is called the Word of God and the childe of God will give that name to none but the Son of God alone for the father hath given him a name above every name Eph. 2.9 and whereas thou hast said thou art able to distinguish between the Word of God and God the Word and yet hast laid down no distinction how they may know the one from the other by their several grounds foundations and natures several operations and workings in the creature and what difference betwixt them and how it may be known I say thou art but a proud boaster a sayer and not a doer when thou should lay down thy distinctions thou puts it off with a shuffle and talks of the Bible being the external Word and such strange words as these and so saith nothing to the purpose Hale And whereas thou affirms the Bible to be the Word of God or the external Word as somtimes thou terms it Answ Ralph Hale why wilt thou talk of the Bible being the Word of God or the external Word for thou wilt give no credit to what thou hast spoken except thou be a lyar for thou hast made that null and void by thy own rule in thy book that is not law and testimony proof there is no Scr●pture that saith the Bible is the Word of God or the external Word and in the 25. page of thy Book thou sayest if it be not Law and Testimony proof thou wilt give no credit to it and I say thou had as good prove thy self a cheat as yet again prove thy self a lyar Hale And in the 6 and 7 pages thou art reckoning up those Titles that God gave to his Ministers both of the Law and Gospel as thou sayest Answ Ralph Hale What have such hypocrit●s dogs and hirelings as seek their gain from their qua te●s to do with those Titles that God gave to his Ministers that abode in his Doctrine And what hast thou to do to give those Titles to them that practise the same things that the dogs and hirelings did For when Christ found such as stood praying in the Synagogues and had greetings in the Markets he gave them the Title of hypocrites and forbade their waies and the same Spirit will give them that do the same things the same Titles now Hale And thou says May we not conclude with our Saviours own words He that hears you hears me and he that despiseth you despiseth me Answ Ralph Hale thou art in a great error or mistake if thou think that Christ spake those words to such hypocrites and hirelings as send men about their quarters to gather them in Calves and Geese and young Swine for their preaching they were not
he cared little for the poor it seems no more dost thou and truly Judas seemed to have more honesty then we find in thee for he said the oyn●ment might have been sold and given to the poor but thou hast not so much as once mentioned that the Priests should seed the poor with the Tythe but have all to the hirelings Hale And in page 26. thou art talking of the Saints assemblies and a place where God hath promised his more especial presence the Church of God the pillar and ground of Truth sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale for the Saints assembl●es let them alone thou hast nothing to do with them thou must first come out of the Pop●s opinions there was never none of the Saints that hoped for a furnace in the grave to consume the remainders of corrupt nature in thou and all that doth so are of the Popes Assemblies and for the Church of God it is in God 1 Thes 1.1 and that is not the steeple-house nor any other limitted place set up in the will of man and for the pillar and ground of truth what hast thou to do to talk of it thou knowest nothing of it thy pillar and ground is the pillar and ground of deceit who talks of a furnace in the grave Hale And thou sayest it is truly desired of all Gods people that there were no corruption in your Churches as thou calls them Answ Ralph Hale How came thou to know that G●ds people desired it except some of them have told thee so for there was never none of Gods people that talked of a furnace in the grave as thou doest Hale And thou sayest there will be Tares amongst the wheat and it is the Lord of the Harvest his Decree that they shall grow together till the Harvest Answ Ralph Hale of the most wicked and cursed Tares that cumbers the wheat thou hast manifested thy self to be one in that thou talks of a furnace in the grave and thou ●hat knows not and sees not the Harvest come thou a●t that cursed and blasted Tare on which the mildew is fallen and from henceforth shalt thou find thy withering and decay except with speed thou repent Hale I shall be far from judging any of you saith thou and again I judge you not sayest thou Answ I say that is a subtle Curr that wi●l bite when he fawns and if thou dost not judge us to be such as have broken and rent our selves from the Church of God and the Body of Christ if thou dost not judge us to be such why dost thou term us to be such in thy Book Is not this double deceit and hypocrisie that is lodged in thee First to judge us unjustly and falsly and then to say thou wilt not judge us But it is the manner of an old Sophister to cover that in himself and lay it on others which he is mo●● guilty of himself Hale And in page 27. thou sayest Thou desires that we may be careful to try the Spirits whether they be of God or no for many false Spirits as well as false Prophets are gone out into the world sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale a more false Prophet then thou art and a more false Spirit then thou speaks from can scarce be gone forth into the world in that thou talks of a furnace in the g●ave a● all may re●d in thy Book page t●● 22. and seeing thou hast bidden us Try the Spirits we have tryed thine and we fi●d it to be a false popish Spirit and therefore we shall take heed of thee Hale Thou sayest thou heartily wisheth that we may return and joyn our selves to the Communion of the Saints in the Publique Ordinances of God that we may have a sweet fellowship and communion with the Father and tho Son as ever we had before your going out from us sayest thou Answ Ralph Hale both thee and all that are in fellowship with thee in thy popish opinions who call your selves saints and are not and your communion and your fellowship and your publique ordinances as you call them and your Father and that Son that leads you to hope for a furnace in the grave I do deny both you and them all for that Father is the Father of lies and that Son is the Son of perdition and those Ordinances are dead and carnal and popish that leads you into such things Hale And with which I will conclude sayest thou If either you or any man or men teach otherwise and consent not to the wholsome words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and the Doctrine which is according to godliness let him pretend as much humility as he can he is proud knowing nothing but doteth about questions and strife of words whereof cometh envie railing evil surmisings 1 Tim. 6.3 4. Answ Ralph Hale if t●ou might have mentioned Timothys words no more then thou had lived in Timothys life thou had been as dumb as those dogs that Isaiah speaks of and I pray thee see how Timothys words meets with thee who ta●ks of a furnace in the grave is that according to the wholsome words of our Lord Jesus C●●● and the doctrine which is according ●o godliness or is it according to the Popes Doctrine H●re be thy own Judge and let shame stop thy mouth And now I say to ye all in and about Liverpool and elsewhere to the light of Christ turn in your minds to that in the conscience which shews you sin and evil and check● and reproves you in secret for the evil of your ways to th t take heed that by it you may be guided up to God from whence the light comes as you tender your everlasting salvation and if you neglect this when the day of your trouble comes in which you cry wo and alas then remember that you were fore-warned in your life time to that in your consciences do I speak the light which comes from the Lord Jesus Christ and lighte●h every man that comes into the world which is the Saints guide and teacher to guide them up to God and the sure word of Prophesie to which they are to take heed and if by it you be guided it will lead you up to the Lord Jesus Christ and this is the way to salvation the light and there is no other way to salvation but Christ the light and if you walk contrary to the light then the light is your condemnation and to you all this is the Word of Truth witnessed by that in all the consciences shall it be when the Book of Conscience is opened Remember this and whilst you have time prize it W. A. The End