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A86418 The Quakers looking-glass look'd upon; and turned toward himself; in a sober reply to an uncivll [sic] pamplet published by Luke Howard a Quaker, against a narrative formerly published, setting forth the folly and presumption of Charles Baily a Quaker, sometimes a prisoner in Dover ... Hobbs, Richard, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing H2271; ESTC R178062 12,778 15

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saying Then hath God granted to the Gentiles also Repentance unto life here they changed in their opinion but held their Baptism for no mention is made of re-baptizing any of them Now if this Quaker had lived amongst them and been led by the same spirit he now is he might by the same rule he clamours against us have condemned them for a confused brood of Baptists rooted in Babel and confusion First Baptized into the particular and then changing their opinion into the General and devoutly preach that up as Peter did Acts the 10. and thereby have concluded them blind leaders of the blind as he blindly accused us Now I shall return to page the 8. where he tells us that since Woodmans time there are many filthy unheard of abominations amongst us both in spirit and practice and there might be more said as some of our selves know but that he tells his Reader he is not willing to relate in print except he be provoked to it c. Reply Doth the man think that I should return him thanks for his civility in concealing that which he had not to say or if said could not prove but however he has disclosed his Master-piece he shoots at random for he names no person amongst us and so hitts no person that I know of for I know none amongst the Baptists that are guilty of such unheard of abominations as he talks of and were not my neighbour Howard a Quaker that pretends so much to plain dealing I should take this for very fowl dealing to put forth in print such a charge against a whole Congregation of People to reproach them and mention no person or particular thing amongst us that the accused if guilty might be known or if innocent might defend themselves but this being the measure the Quaker usually meets to him that opposes him I shall place this for some of his plain dealing But to follow him a little further in his own Track ●n page 8 11 and 15 I find him very angry because we bring forth a thing of so long a standing Calling us Wolves in Sheeps cloathing and that the Ravening nature is standing in us which can look 9 or 10. years Back saith he to smite with the fist of wickedness and to Persecure an innocent people and with many more such evil terms he upbraids us and here I may answer him with his own argument Are the Baptists Ravenous c. for looking 10 years back and is not Luke Howard by his own rule and Glasse much more ravenous who Ranges above twenty yea neare thirty years back to rake up matter from his own Companion to reproach us with and to smite us with the fist of falshood if Luke make another Glasse I advise him to look in it and see himself before he send it out to others And now I shall collect a few more of those many accusations with which his book is stuffe pag. the 10 he calls us blasphemers against the light of Jesus which they declare calling it naturall the Quakers dark light with many more blasphemous words as the Jews did of old hereupon he brands us with odious terms of men-slayers and murderers and that the body of death is standing in us where the murderer lives and where the Serpents life is whose wisdom is earthly sensual and Divelish that bites at their heels and accuses us with things of many years standing and then as if he had forgot his own story of 28 years standing he tells us page the 15. that if we had not been drunk with the Whores Cupp of abomination and envious holyness getting words to talk and professing in the ravenous nature we would not fetch such old matter against Quakers of ten years standing and print it c To which upon the whole I answer with that Scripture Rom. 2.3 Thinkest thou this O man that Judgest them and doest the same things that thou shalt escape the judgment thine own mouth condemns thee and not I yea thy wicked own lipps testifie against thee Job 15.6 for if the Baptists be such wickeed persons as Luke pretends for reporting a truth of 10 years dat which Luke in his conscience knows it so Is not Luke then by the same rule much worse in fetching up a far older story and that falls on two as appears by his own glasse Again if Luke had proved by some convincing arguments that the Quakers Light is Christ and then made it appear that the Baptists had blasphemed in denying that men are redeemed and justified by that light within themselves and not rather by faith in the death resurrection and Assention of Christ without us for us which is the chief point in controversie between us and spared his bad language this might have taken some impression upon a judicious Reader But it seems that Luke finds that to Callumnize his opposer is the easiest way of answering and 't is like himself is best furnisht with such Arguments Again to shew the heat of his Anger against the Truth and to render us vile and odious he tells the World That we make those which we dip more foul in heart and twofold more the Child of the Devil then they were before page 4. and 8. And then as if he had given us a mortal wound he exalts himself and his party as high as Heaven in his own conceit telling the world that they viz. the Quakers do worship God in spirit and truth which the devil and all they that do his works of envie are out of pag. 12. And then to shew himself to be no boasting Pharisee he tells me That I do Caperna●m-like exalt my self and that for no other cause that I see but my saying that if the Quakers denied that they owned Charles Baily they would render themselves false persons To all this I reply that if Luke Howard were as able to prove as he is apt to accuse he would be an able Quaker But failing in his proofs he appears more like a Scold then a sober Christian whereas now if he had made it appear in some particular person or persons who after Baptism in water according to the Command and Example of Christ had becom twofold more the Childe or Children of Hell then before He had made his Glass a great deal clearer to any Judicious Reader But it may be he supposing himself guided by an un-erring light he counts his Say-so is proof sufficient to condemn all his opposers And then to beguiie his credulous Reader into a Fools Paradise he tells him The Quakers worship God in spirit and truth which the devil and all that do ●is works of Envie are out of Reply These are great swelling words of vanity but when Luke has proved the Quakers are so free from the Devil and his VVorks and do worship God in spirit and truth by comparing the Scriptures and their Practice together it shall then be part of my Creed too to believe they are such but not before Now after all this with many more clamorous accusations as may be seen in his Looking-Glass against the Baptists he concludes his fallacious Narrative with a boast page 11. Our Rock is not like yours our Enemies themselves being Judges saith he And then Oh ye fools so soon as ye have liberty to meet where you were afraid to meet before for fear of a man and ye crept into corners c. Reply The Boaster builds upon the Sand and this his accusation is as sandy as his foundation for I appeal to all the judicious inhabitants in Dover who are VVitnesses in this case who know that whilst the Quakers meet without any interruption we were interrupted for several months together almost every Lords day at our publick Meeting-place and there we continued till our Meeting-House was defaced the doors barrd and lockt up After that we met elsewhere in Town constantly And truly I cannot but admire that the Quaker should have the face to publish such a falshood in Print in which the Magistrates and People of the Town and his own Conscience too if not seared will all bear witness against him and on our part in this matter but this is just like the rest of his Glass FINIS