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A89249 The true light hath made manifest darknesse: or, Sion builded up, and Babylon cast downe. With a true answer of what the Baptist teachers objected against the servant of the Lord who in scorn is called a Quaker, and known to the world by the name of Iohn Moon, in several places in VVales, both in Radnorshire, and Breck-nockshire, whose names are these. Hugh Evans, John Price, Daniel Penry, Reese Davies, John Prosser, Evans Oliver, and Vavasor Powel, who are called ministers of the gospel, but are found to be enemies to it. Some of Vavasor Powel's doctrine tryed, and made manifest by the light. And also some queries given forth, and are to be answered by them that lives in observations. This is given forth by me who is a lover of the truth, and known to the world by this name, John Moone. Moon, John, fl. 1657-1685. 1657 (1657) Wing M2526; Thomason E909_4; ESTC R207461 13,726 23

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they may be one even as we are one Them who have an eye to see withal let them see the confusion which the Baptist declares vvho vvould make Christ and his Spirit distinct one from the other which is contrary to the Scripture so with the Scripture they are judged and with the life which gave forth the Scripture they are condemned as Christ said the hour cometh and now is when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth John 4. 23. for the Father seeketh such to worship him for God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth and now herein you may see that Christ and Ver. 24. that Spirit wherein he is worshiped is one and it is them that he is well pleased with but them that knows not his true worship speaks evill of it and these are them that would make a distinction between Christ and his Spirit As the servant of the Lord who is by the world called quaker went to a meeting and there to wait upon the Lord and as he was moved by the Lord to declare his word to the people how they must come to know the way unto God which is light and said that which made manifest sin is light and it is that light which shews man the broad way which is sin and if man would hearken to that light and obey it it would lead him to know the strait way where life is to be found and said as long as man is going on in his sin he is in the way of darkness and there the true light shines and shews him the evill deeds of darkness and now he that loves the Lord and would know the redemption of his soule must learne of the light to deny that will whereby he is lead to do evil for it is that will which is not subiect to the Lord and as long as man harbors that will he harbors the cursed thing which is the enemie of mans soul and man that harbors that cursed thing with it is to perish but man denying the cursed thing owning that light and obeying it it would lead him to know a day of redemption and if man deny that light which shews him sin to be his teacher redemption he will not know Then one of the cheefest of the professors called Iohn Price hearing me declare to the people how they should know truth from error and light from darkness then he said there is an other way besides light and darkness and that they are distinct one from the other I bade him prove three ways and this is his proof there is God man and the devil I bade him prove them distinct one from the other and clear it to the satisfying of the people that way which was neither light nor darkness and I demanded of him to shew and make manifest to the people the word which said they are distinct one from the other but he could not An. Now this I say that there is no other way but light and darkness and man is in the one way and obeying the one as the Scripture maketh manifest know ye not that to Rom. 6. 26. whom ye yeeld your selves servants to obey his servants ye are now if man obey the light he obeys God and if man obey sin he obeys the worke of the devil now every one consider and mind the light which will shew man which way he is going and when he doth evil it reproves him and shews him whose worke he is doing for there is none that can serve two Masters so people consider whom ye serve I Cor. 6. 16 17. and what ye are joyned unto for he that is joyned to an harlot is one body for two saith he shall be one flesh but he that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit and now every one own that light which will shew you what you are joyned unto and every one that is joyned to his own will which is the lust of the flesh except he deny that will with it he must perish So every one that would know the way to the kingdome of God must learn of the light to deny his owne will and take up the Cross and follow Christ Jesus dayly and then he will come to know the power of God which overcomes the wicked one this I say that there is God man and the devil and man is joyned to the one either to God or to an harlot now let the wise in heart judge where the third way is And the same man saith that faith is not the gift of God An. Now this I say that faith whereby man is saved from sin is the gift of God as the Scripture beareth testimony for by Eph. 2. 8. grace ye are saved through faith that not of your selves it is the gift of God now here in your way see how contrary to the Scripture he speaks though many may have the letter and know the Chapter and verse and yet be ignorant of the way unto life so all people consider what way you are in and what faith you do know for that faith which is without works is dead now see if you know that faith which saves from sin if not your faith you must perish and this is that faith which the world lives in and though the world may have the letter to talke on yet this I say there was not any by it saved for the drunkard the swearer lyer and the covetous one these have the letter to talke on but are not saved from their sins and these are them who follow the blind teachers of the world and if the blind lead the blind both shall fall into the ditch now people consider in what condition you are in and see if you can witness to be saved from your sins for if you live in them ye are them who are deceived and are in the broad way for sin is the broadest way that any can walke in now let him that readeth read with an understaning and see if in all the Scripture ye can find of any other saving faith but what is given of God Daniel Penry another of the Baptists said as he was declaring to the people That the Devil spake in the people of God Answ Now this I say That the people of God is the Temple of God as the Scripture declares Know ye not that 1 Cor. 6. 19. your bodyes is the Temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you Now people consider how confusedly he hath spoken for that which he said is more likely to be the Synagogue of Satan then the Temple of God for where the Devil speaks is the Idols Temple and God said What agreement hath the 1 Cor. 6. 19. Temple of God with Idols For ye are the Temple of the living God as God hath said I will dwell in them and walk in them and I will he their God and they
shall be my people Now he that hath an eye to see withal may see their confused Language who doth call the Temple of God the Idols Temple and herein they are found to be them that call Truth Error but Truth hath made manifest their Errors and all them who knows the Truth and the true VVorship and Temple of God they know how and by what the Prince of this World is cast out as the Scripture declares they know it so to be Now is the judgement of this World now shall the Prince of this world be cast out and all ye that knows him to be cast out John 10. 31. praise ye and glorifie the Name of the Lord God for evermore Rees Davies and another said who were two Baptists these words That in the devil there is as much of God as makes him tremble And the other said That there is as much of God in the Devil as in man Answ I said he had spoken contrary to the Scripture and I said The hope of Glory is in man and it is not in the devil as the Scripture meakes manifest to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this Gal. 1. 27. mistery amongst the Gentiles which is Christ in you the hope of glory now all people consider and see how confusedly they speak and contrary to the Scripture so every one mind that light which convinces of sin and leads to the mistery of faith and leads out of all blind profession to the true possession where man will come to know a rest to the weary soule and now concering the devil I say he is out of the truth and the truth is not in him as the Scripture doth affirme Ye are of your Father the devil and the lust of your John 8 44. Father ye will do he was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him so all people consider and mind that light which lighteth every man that comes into the world that by it you may come to be lead out of darkness to know the light of life but if you deny the light which convinces of sin out of darkness you cannot come and you will remaine ignorant of the truth and though man declare the truth unto you ye cannot believe As the servant of the Lord was moved of the Lord to go unto on of the Baptist meetings to declare as he was moved of the Lord unto the people and said that all worship that stood in the will of man was abomination unto the Lord and said where two or three were gethered togeteer in the name of the Lord he would be in the midest of them and I declared and said that Christ is the light of the world and lighteth every man that comes into the world and it is that which shews man sin and shews the drunkards he should not be drunk and the lyer he should not lye and the proud he reproves then one of the Baptists hearing me cryed out and said prove prove thy doctrine for I deny it then I said unto him if thou canst disprove me do and if thou canst not believe me and I said dost thou cry out against me because I declare against pride and thou being an upholder of it then he said wherein am I an upholder of it then I said thou art on who goeth about to sell ribaning and lace and how canst thou have a face to speake to the people and say thou art one who declares the Gospel then he answered and said that ribaning and lace is to adorn the Gospel then I said the same the drunkard and the swearer is adorned withall now people consider what the Baptist Gospel is adornd withall for the same the whore of Babilon is adornd with but this I say that the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation unto every one that believes it is adornd with righteousness and now herein you may se the defference betweene the Baptists Gospel and the Gospel of Christ and the same Baptist said that there is nothing that is pure of God in every mans conscience and he bade me prove that there is some thing which is pure of God in every mans conscience and he bade me prove that there is something which is pure of GOD in every Mans conscience and this Scripture I bring to prove it for the grace of God that brings salvation hath apeared to all men and this is that which is pure for there is nothing that Tit. ● 11. brings salvation but that which is of God as the Scripture declares that was the true light which lighteth every man 1 John 2. 9. that cometh into the world and this is that which convinces the world of sin the true light which shines in darkness Vers 5. and darkness comprehends it not and now peopel this I say there is but that conscience which is purged and that conscience which is defiled as the Scripture declares Christ Heb. 9. 14. through the eternal spirit offered himselfe without spot to God purge your consciences from dead works to serve the living God and that conscience which is defiled is the conscience of the wicked and Christ came to call them to repentance which defiled the conscience and that which is defiled is darkness and there the true light shineth and now all people that reads this read it with an understanding and se if the profession be not one with the profane for many more words was betwixt them and me which is not worth the mentioning in so much that they said that the heart of man is always deceitfull and herein by their own words it doth apeare that neither their profession nor their possession doth clense their hearts from sin so all them that would know the remission of sin own that vvhich convinces of sin vvhich is the son of God vvho sets free that freedom you may all come to know Evan Oliver a Baptist said these words that God and his grace is not both on An. I say that God and his grace is both one it is the grace of God vvhich brings salvation and vvhich is the teacher of the children of God as saith the Scripture for the grace of God that brings salvation hath apeared to all men teaching Tit. 2. 11 12. us to deny ungodlyness and vvorldly lusts and novv people consider and see where you can find in all the Scripture that God is not one with that vvhich brings salvation for it is the grace of God that tells and teaches man the way to God and seperates man from his iniquities Some of the conference which pased betwixt John Moone and Vavaser Powel vvho goeth under a pretence of being a Minister of the Gospel but is found to be an enimie to the Gospel of Christ and to his servants vvho is and was sent to declare the Gospel of Christ as it is made
vvouldest not have brought this Scripture for there is not a just man upon earth that doeth good and sinneth not But herein thou hast made thy selfe more manifest that sayest There is not a just man thou hast long been learning of the unjust if thou hadst but known or confest that Christ is come into the world thou wouldest have hid thy error and thy profession would have seemed more glorious but thou saying There is not one that doth good and sinneth not thou hast denyed that Christ is come into the world and herein thou art made manifest to be a Minister of Antichrist which upholds sin and thou pleading for thy masters kingdom for if thou hadst known the Gospel of Christ thou wouldest not have said There is none that doth good for it is the Gospel of Christ which doth good and as many as believe in it shall be saved But thou art far from knowing this Gospel or learning of it now see where thou and thy professors have been learning all this while who saith There is none doth good and sinneth not thou and thy professors are far from witnessing this Scripture and Heb. 8. 11. they shall not need to teach every man his neighbour and every man his brother saying know the Lord for all shall know me Ver. 12 from the least to the greatest for I will be merciful to their unrighteousness and their sinns and their iniquities will I Heb. 20. 14. remember no more saith the Lord For by one offering he hath pefected for ever them that are sanctified Now all people that read may see how contrary to the Scripture Powel hath spoken that saith He that is sanctified doth commit sin and the Scripture saith he that is sanctified is perfected for ever and this is to let you see his blindness who is the blind guide Now I am Come to his Third Error Thou Vavaser Powel who saist that the children of God went into sin and commited sin and the Lord passed by them and did not reprove them Answ Then Iohn Moone answered and said that God did convince and reprove them that commited sin and the Lord is no respecter of persons and he will not let the transgressors go unpunnished for you onely have I known of all the families of the earth therefore I will punnish you Amos 3. 2. for all your iniquities saith the Lord but thou who would'st have the Lord to reprove some and not others herein thou wouldst make him to be a respector of persons but this I say that the Lord came to execute judgement upon all and to convince all that are ungodly amongst them of all their ungodly deeds vvhich they have ungodly committed and of all their hard speeches vvhich they have spoken Jude 1. 15. against him Novv here I have made it appear by Scripture that the Lord convinces all and that he executes judgment upon all and they that commit sin are wicked but them vvho are the children of the Lord they knovv to bee born of the immortal seed vvhich the blessing is to and herein we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself and that wicked one 2 Joh. 5. 18. toucheth him not but if thou hadst known that birth which is of God thou wouldst not have said that they committed sin but thou being ignorant of the new birth therefore thou art speaking evil of it and it serves thee to talk on and make a trade of it Novv Powel if thou vvert not blinde thou mightst see thy confused language and see that thy Ministery is contrary to the Apostles doctrine for their doctrine vvas for the perfecting Eph. 4. 12 13. of the Saints for the work of the Ministery for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come in the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man whom we preach warning every man and teaching every Gal. 1. 28. man in all wisdome that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus But Powel thy Ministery is to declare to the people to uphold sin and wickedness and tell them they must never be clean nor never to have power to keep them out of Sin but that they must commit sin and the Lord will pass by it And herein thou art striving vvith all thy might and povver to keep the people in their sinnes and that they shall never be free whilst they are upon earth but all people consider what life you live the same you must die and own that light which shews you what life you do live and what your works is and euery one is to receiue a reward according to his deeds and as long as you follow them that cries up sin you follow the ministers of AntiChrist and these are them that ran and the Lord sent them not and therefore they shall not Prophet my people at all saith the Lord and these are them who saith there is none that doth good and sinneth not but them who are sent of the Lord they know the just and him that doth good O how I love thy Law it is my meditation all the day and and thy Testimonies are wonderful therefore doth my soul keep them the entrance of thy word giveth light it giveth Psal 1 19. 96. v. understanding to the simple I have seen an end of all perfection blessed are they that keep his testimonies and that seek him with the whole heart they also do no iniquitie they Ver. 2 3. walke in his ways and trust in his name and these are the remnant of Jsrael they shal not do iniquitie nor speak lies Zeph. 3. 13. ver neither shal a deceitful tongue be found in their mouths for they shall feed and lie down in perfect peace and none shall make them afrind Some Queries given forth by the Servant of the Lord and are to be answered by them that lives in observations Quaery 1. WHat the fall of man is and Where that is which man fell from and How man must know it again and Whether the resurrection be to that which man fell from yea or nay Quaery 2. What is that which letteth and wil let until it be taken out of the way And where it is And what is that which the Letter killeth And where it is killed Quaery 3. What the soul of man is and where it is and how must man know when it is in death and when it is raised to life Quaery 4. Whether Jesus Christ be not the Light of the world And how doth he enlighten every man that cometh into the world and how is that Light the condemnation of them that do evil Quaery 5. Who are they which Christ spoke to and said Now are ye clean through the word which I spake unto you And what that resurrection is which Paul said If by any means he might attain unto it seeing that all menshall arise Quaery 6. Whether they which are eating bread and drinking wine be not them which are shewing forth the Lords death and deny his coming and what Ordinances are those which the Apostle said Touch not taste not handle not that which is to perish shew what Ordinances they are Quaery 7. VVhether any man may be perfect whilest he is upon the earth And whether the new birth be witnessed by any but them who were perfect yea or nay Quaery 8. VVhat Sion is and where it is and where the flesh of the Son of man is that except a man eat thereof he hath no life in him Quaery 9. VVhat that is which is dead in the grave which shall hear and rise up to life and what that is which must rise to condemnation and where that grave is and what that voice is and where it is to be heard Quaery 10. VVhat is the cross of Christ and how doth the creature know it and bear it and how is it preached and what is the offences of it and how is it the power of God to salvation and how doth it become a stumbling block and how doth the offences of it cease Quaery 11. VVhat the false Prophet is and where he is and what his worship is from the true Prophets shew the difference Quaery 12. VVhat God and King is that which the people shall look upwards and curse and where they are and what their worship is that the people might no longer worship them Quaery 13. VVhat the people was turned unto seeing they had the Letter and were in darkness And what eye that was which was blinde And where that eye is And how that eye was opened by which they come to see salvation Quaery 14. VVhat the Ministration of condemnation is and what is the glory of it and how do the Ministration of Righteousness exceed in glory Quaery 15. VVhat the Garden of Eden is and where it is and what the tree of knowledge of good and evil is and where it is and how it may be known Quaery 16. What the Cherubins and the flaming Sword is and where they are and what the tree of Life is and where it is Quaery 17. What the two witnesses are which John spoke of which lies slain in the Cities called Sodom and Egypt which the people of the earth make merry over Quaery 18. What that sure Foundation is which is already laid and where it is laid Quaery 19. What Ordinance is that which Christ said He that resists it resists the power of God Quaery 20. Whether there be any true Church but that which is in God and whether any be in that Church and commit sin yea or nay Quaery 21. What and where is that Principle which is pure and leads man into that true church which is in God Quaery 22. How doth Christ become Mediator between God and man These are given forth by a Servant of the Lord who is a lover of the Truth and known to the world by this Name JOHN MOON THE END