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the_o ministry_n of_o england_n pag._n 45._o 61_o 62._o note_v withal_o that_o none_o of_o the_o evangelist_n neither_o any_o other_o scripture_n do_v show_v that_o christ_n or_o the_o prophet_n do_v at_o any_o time_n communicate_v with_o the_o jew_n in_o any_o evil_n but_o always_o reprove_v they_o whereas_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o any_o shall_v communicate_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n though_o it_o be_v in_o their_o best_a thing_n even_o of_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n sacrament_n prayer_n etc_n but_o they_o must_v needs_o partake_v in_o evil_a as_o namely_o with_o the_o hierarchy_n leiturgy_n confusion_n and_o other_o sin_n of_o antichrist_n that_o son_n of_o perdition_n let_v he_o show_v the_o contrary_a in_o any_o one_o thing_n among_o they_o iff_n he_o can_v and_o of_o this_o also_o see_v more_o hereafter_o pag._n 170._o 171._o 180._o final_o let_v he_o tell_v we_o if_o he_o have_v say_v any_o thing_n here_o which_z they_o in_o k._n henry_n the_o 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