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A69250 Newes from France containing tvvo declarations of two new conuerts from the Church of Rome to the reformed churches of France: the former made by Master M. du Tertrf [sic], Lord de la Motthe Luyne, late preacher amongst the order of the Capucins vnder the name of F. Firmin, &c. at Saumur on the 27. of May last: the latter by the Marquise Boniuet, Lord of Creuecœur, &c. at Rochell on the seuenth of August last. Both translated out of the seuerall French copies into English by E.M. of Christ-Church in Oxford. Whereunto is added an English letter sent from Paris by an English gentleman to his friend in England, touching the late surprisall and imprisonment of the Prince of Conde, which happened on the 22. of August last.; Declaration and manifestation, of the chiefe reasons and motives of the conversion of Master M. du Tertre, Lord de la Motthe Luyne. Bonnivet, Henri Marc de Gouffier, Marquis de, d. 1589. Declaration de Henri-Marc de Gouffier. aut; Meetkerke, Edward, 1590-1657, attributed name. 1616 (1616) STC 7372; ESTC S117179 43,123 84

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beholden and indebted to them whence it is not very hard to consider acknowledge and iudge whether the true humilitie which is essentiall to Christianitie and so beseeming it yea the fairest and richest ornament of a true beleeuer can be in them who not onely maintaine and wilfully defend such a doctrine but doe glory therein and doe oppugne and persecute euen to the fire and bloud those which on the contrary forsaking themselues and all that can come from their owne strength and merits haue no other refuge prop foundation and assurance for their eternall saluation then in the meere bountie grace mercy and free pardon of God in Iesus Christ his Sonne his merit and intercession Hee should neuer haue done that would relate shew and set to view all the abuses and errours touching the points of faith necessary to saluation Gather only and iudge out of that little which the shortnesse of the time this discourse giues me leaue to speake whether the first ground and foundation of saluation premised and supposed to wit a true faith and beleefe in Iesus Christ such as the Scripture declareth and requireth of vs is and can bee found in your Church in which is taught and preached a doctrine so diametrally contrary and opposite to it yea against all reason and whether I haue had iust cause and occasion to withdraw my selfe from thence and you also are bound to doe the like in case that you and I desire to worke out our saluation But that which is worse and more to be lamented euen with teares of bloud if it were possible is that for the most part amongst those of your Church there is no more any faith or law or God or religion at all but by a lamentable euent permitted notwithstanding by Gods prouidence for the iust punishment of their deserts are fallen into a grosse ignorance of matters of God I will not say into Atheisme and is fulfilled in them compleatly and in all points that which the Apostle S. Paul hath sometimes spoken of the Gentiles Pagans and Idolaters in the first to the Romans namely that hauing knowne God they glorified him not as God neither were thankfull but became vaine in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened professing themselues to be wise they became fooles and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to a corruptible man c. And who then would not withdraw himselfe from men so blinded and giuen ouer to errour and the darkenesse of ignorance Now if their faith be such or for to speak aright more properly their vnbeliefe so great what can bee hoped and looked for of the other I meane of the manners of their life indeede it is very likely that such as is the doctrine such will be the life and manners namely peruerted and corrupted c. And this is it which now in order I am to shew to you and set to your view Let vs begin with charity the loue and affection towardes God and our neighbour the true ground of all Christianity and the second firme and assured foundation of eternall saluation as wee haue said and declared before As for the first the true testimony the certaine and vndoubted proofe thereof amongst many that might be giuen and alleaged is an heartie and louing zeale and affection to his honour worship and seruice and to the true obseruing of his lawes and ordinances and the entire and perfect fulfilling of his holy will as farre as our weakenes and frailtie can suffer vs and the estate and condition of our corrupt and infected nature can permit and beare it If you loue mee saith our Sauiour speaking of this loue to his Apostles and Disciples and to vs in their persons and in the 14. of S. Iohn keepe my commandements He that hath my commandements and keepes them hee it is that loues mee And this hee repeats many and diuers times and amongst others that well beloued and fauoured Disciple in the second Chapter of his first Catholike Epistle confirmes it He that keepes his word the loue of God saith he is truely accomplished and perfected in him As on the contrary the true and infallible signe of the want the defect of the loue of God is not to care for to keepe and obserue his lawes and precepts as besides reason it selfe which is cleere and plaine for it our Sauiour in the same place before alleaged of the Euangelist Saint Iohn doth say Hee that loueth mee not saith he doth not keepe my words and the same Saint Iohn in the fore-cited places He that saith I haue knowne him and yet doth not keep his precepts and commandements he liar and the truth is not in him As for Gods honour worship and seruice it is double and of two sorts externall outward and of the body such as he prescriheth vnto vs in his word namely that Liturgy or outward and publike seruice wherewith hee will be honoured euen publikely in his Church consisting of the duties of piety and the externall actions of religion which doe shew and testifie some humilitie deiection submission affection and acknowledgement of the minde towards his diuine maiesty Internall inward in the soule and inmost part of the minde by a true acknowledging of his immense and infinite excellence perfection and greatnesse and of the sundry and innumerable obligations wee owe him with an humble submission a most deiected humilitie and low deiection before his supreame maiesty honouring adoring fearing respecting cherishing and louing him with all the strength and power of our soules the faculties of our mindes and the affections of our hearts as our onely blisse and chiefe master and Lord from whom we hold by meere dependance and free bountifull and liberall communication all what wee are what wee haue and what wee can at any time challenge looke and hope for both in this life and in the other referring in the meane time and giuing ouer our selues and all what belongs to vs or concernes vs our liues persons goods health honours affaires and other the like wholly to his diuine prouidence to the end that he may do with them as he shall thinke fitting and according to his pleasure and sacred will as belonging wholly to him with a true confidence certain firme hope and an vndoubted assurance of his diuine goodnesse infinite mercy and promises of saluation and this is the chiefe honour worship and seruice that God wishes desires and demaunds of vs as sheweth very wel the Sonne of God himselfe Iesus Christ our Sauiour answering to the question of the Samaritan woman The true worshippers saith he shall worship the Father in spirit and truth and such are those he desires demands and seekes after And hee giueth the reason thereof Because God is a spirit therfore his worship ought to be spirituall internall and in the truth of the heart answerable to his nature by so much more noble
and that which depends thereof the inuocation of Saints praier in a language not common nor vnderstood and other the like And now let them freely goe boasting that they haue the loue of God No no saith our Sauiour he that keepes not my words hee loues me not Hee that keepes not the precepts and commandements of God saith S. Iohn he is a lier and the truth is not in him And then how can they loue him when they giue him not the honour the worship and true seruice which they owe him and which hee wils requires and demands of them but doe almost wholly alter corrupt and destroy it and in stead of the truth offer and present vnto him only a meere dead body and apparition Now he that hath not in him and is deuoid of the loue of God how shall he loue and make much of his neighbour No no saith S. Iohn if a man say I loue God and hateth his brother he is a lier why so For as he addeth hee that loueth not his brother whom hee hath seene how can he loue God whom he hath not seene It is impossible and hee thus concludes This commandement haue we from him that hee who loueth God loue his brother also The loue of our neighbour saith the Moralist S. Gregorie is produced and brought foorth by the loue of God and the loue of God is nourished and maintained by the loue of our neighbour and truly he that is negligent and carelesse in louing his neighbour and Christian brother knowes not how hee ought to loue God nay loues him not at all I neede not striue and stand much vpon the proofe and testimonie of this truth in the most part of them of your Church it is knowne and appeareth well enough of it selfe without labouring to bring it to light the Sun and the light being not more visible then this is cleere and manifest that there is no more any loue charitie affection good-will vnion and concord amongst them there is nothing but diuisions dissensions partialitie enuie iealousie murmurs detractions slanders riots disputes bloudy hatred and mortall rancour of the one against the other no agreement no accord no proportion no respect and relation of pietie or compassion towards the afflicted no charitable assistance in the behalfe of the poore and needie in no wise at all And if so be that some of them as there are alwayes some particular honest and charitable men and we must ingenuously confesse it and giue them this commendation and testimonie for the truth that giue and impart some of their goods and reuenewes it will be to no good purpose rather for to found and cause to be said some Masses seruices and offices and sing leero wayes that I may so say and celebrated in poast-haste and for a fashion without any pietie deuotion affection and attention of the heart and minde whatsoeuer but with a thousand irreuerent insolencies distractions and wanderings of the minde with bad thoughts being rather horrible and detestable blasphemies then praiers and orizons acceptable to God for to build Chappels Monasteries and Couents to feede and make fat the lazie bellies of Monkes Religious and other voluntarie poore men idle droanes and vnfit to doe any good but to dine make good cheere and sleepe for their ease then to maintaine and releeue the truly poore needie and shame faste members of Iesus Christ who die of hunger either at their gates or within their houses without hauing any care pittie or compassion of them they thinking being perswaded and making themselues beleeue that they are discharged and haue well done in regard of their dutie and obligation towards God when they haue filled the wallets and bottles and with good and daintie messes couered and furnished the tables of the Capucins Recollects and other the like begging Friers the true theeues of almes and deuourers of the substance due to the truly poore and needie whereof they shall giue both the one and the other a most strict account to God and shall be most seuerely and grieuously punished And if that sometimes which notwithstanding happens but seldome they doe any good and bestow their charitable assistance vpon the truly poore and needy vpon the diseased vpon prisoners and such like yet it is alwayes ioyned with this leauen that marres makes sowre and corrupts the whole lumpe namely with an opinion and beleefe of meriting and of making God by the meanes of these things indebted to them whereas wee ought simply to exercise the workes of charitie pietie and mercy out of a pure and simple affection and compassion towards our neighbour and for to testifie our loue and gratitude towards God for the infinite fauours and benefits that wee haue receiued and doe daily receiue from him Now all what is before said being thus wherein I pray you can they testifie their loue towards God their zeale and affection to the obseruing of his lawes commandements and precepts seeing that that being the first chiefe and as it were fundamentall in respect of all the rest yet they doe not obserue it But what doe I say nay they thinke not once of it nor at all care for it By what can we know that they are the Disciples of our Sauiour seeing that as himselfe witnesseth this is the first marke and chiefe token whereby to know them yea to put a distinction betweene the good and the bad the elect and reprobate the children of God and of the Deuill as saith great S. Austin and S. Iohn confirmes it in the third chapter of his first Epistle Hereby are manifested the children of God and the children of the Deuill whosoeuer doth not righteousnesse and loueth not his neighbour and Christian brother is not of God and consequently of the Deuill Iudge then what they are and you also consequently and whether I haue had iust cause to withdraw my selfe from you for to vnite and ioyne my selfe with the children of God with the children of light with the elect and predestinated But these two chiefe and fundamentall grounds of religion and saluation being cast on ground what will become of the rest of the edifice and building I meane of those heauenly and diuine virtues that are needfull and requisite to the perfection of a good Christian It must needs be that they also fall downe and that in their stead doe succeede and bee erected a body of all vices and sinnes whereunto we see that the greater part amongst you doe apply and giue themselues ouer The remainder of that which S. Paul had said of the Gentiles in the place before alleaged of the Epistle to the Romans being truly fulfilled in them For this cause God gaue them vp to vile affections for euen c. But wee need not wonder at it seeing that those of whom you ought to receiue the precepts and doctrines of saluation and who ought to be vnto you as lights and lampes for to guide and
his charge and offices 3. the singular graces fauours and benefits which hee hath conferred on vs and wee haue receiued from him As for his person it is a matter of alike faith and beleefe equally grounded in the holy Scripture and acknowledged approued and confessed by all that he is very God and very man God begotten from all eternitie of the proper substance essence and nature of his eternall Father yea the very same perfectly and in all points equally God as he is Man conceiued in time produced and begotten within the chaste entrailes of the proper substance of the Virgin Mary by the working of the holy Ghost of the seede of Abraham and Dauid according to the flesh truly man as we are subiect to the same and altogether alike infirmities except sinne and ignorance Now although your Doctours directly and openly doe not beate downe and destroy these two things in the Sonne of God our Sauiour yet so it is notwithstanding that by manner of consequence and necessary sequele they take from him rob him of and carry away at the least his humanitie when as they say and it is their common doctrine and vniuersall beleefe that in the Sacrament of the Eucharist by the meanes which they call and they haue forged and inuented it for themselues but of late times of transubstantiation the substance of bread and wine is conuerted and changed they are the proper words of the Councell of Trent in the first and second Canon of the fourth chapter and of all your Doctours in dependance thereof into the body and bloud of Iesus Christ which is properly and to speake truly to ouerthrow topsie turuie and destroy the truth of the incarnation and humanitie of our Sauiour and to giue him a body not taken and drawne from the substance of the Virgin made and begotten by the seede of Abraham and Dauid according to the flesh following the promise which had beene made them thereof by that supreme maiestie long time before but from the substance of the bread and by a necessary consequence and infallible conclusion no longer any true body or a naturall man but a morsell of paste a peece of the ouen horrible and accursed blasphemie but yet farre more when as they affirme auouch and wilfully maintaine that the same humanitie of Christ in the same Sacrament is substantially present almost euery where or at least is really and corporally in almost infinite distinct and seuered places in one and the same instant So Bellarmine in his controuersies of the Eucharist and after him all the others in a row which is properly to make the body of Christ no longer a true body but to speake plainly an immense and infinite God contrary both to the truth of his humane nature and to the testimonie of all the holy Scriptures and reason it selfe For what body would that be which wanteth his naturall greatnesse and stature which can neither be felt handled nor seene c. which occupieth and filleth almost infinite places distant and farre asunder in one and the same instant as we haue already said Thus doe you see that your Church doth oppose and destroy his holy and sacred person and the humanitie of our Sauiour and turneth topsie turuie as much as in her lieth this ground of our saluation whereas in lieu of the true body of Christ shee offereth presenteth and giueth you an idle vision and a very apparition But this is enough on this matter Let vs now come to his charges and offices They are many and in great number but may notwithstanding all be reduced to these three principall of Prophet of King of high Priest A Prophet who like another Moses yea better then he and more perfectly many thousand times and without compare nay then all the other Prophets hath both by himselfe and by his Apostles and Disciples foretold denounced and declared the will of his eternall Father the lawes precepts and ordinances which he required and willed vs to obserue So had the foresaid Moses a long time before foretold when as being neere to his end and vpon the finishing of his dayes turning himselfe to the children and people of Israel and comforting them in the behalfe of his departure he did warrant them and promised that God would raise vp vnto them a Prophet from the midst of them of their brethren c. And the Apostle in the first to the Hebrewes saith expresly that God hauing in times past at sundry times and in sundry and diners manners spoken to the Fathers by the Prophets hath spoken to vs in our dayes by his welbeloued Sonne c. And a thousand other the like testimonies of Scripture which I omit of purpose not to wearie you Now those of your Church doe denie vnto him this honourable charge and office when as they say hold and maintaine that the holy Scripture is obscure ambiguous vnperfect insufficient to saluation That there is nothing in it heauenly and diuine which can binde vs to beleeue that which is contained therein That that which the Apostles and Prophets haue giuen vs and left in writing they did it not as being driuen thereunto by any particular and speciall commandement or inspiration from God but by contingent occasions and accidentall causes That its proper principall and last end is not to be and to stand for a rule of faith but only for a certaine vsefull and profitable recommendation to the keeping and obseruing of the doctrine proceeding from the preaching of the Gospell c. And that not contenting themselues with this heauenly doctrine by the meanes whereof the Sonne of God our Sauiour hath giuen and left vnto vs both by his liuing voice and by the Apostles and Prophets as it were by his owne hands all that is requisite and needfull to saluation and to the perfection which hee willeth requireth and demandeth of vs they adde to this heauenly and diuine written word contrary to the expresse prohibition which is giuen of it in many places therein where an Anathema is pronounced and a curse thundered out against those that shall be so daring bold and shamelesse as to vndertake it they adde vnto it I say as being insufficient another not written to wit an infinite number of humane constitutions traditions and inuentions To the which although for the most part vncertaine obscure and contrary among themselues they will haue vs to giue the like credit and beleefe and carry towards them the same and altogether equall deuotion with the word of God nay farre greater seeing they hold and teach as I haue said heretofore that of it selfe alone without the said traditions the Scripture is not so necessary and neither can nor ought to serue for a rule of faith and the traditions alone of themselues purely and simply without the said Scripture ought to be and absolutely are so Which while they doe what is this else but to reiect and impudently refuse
leade you thorow the obscure darknesse of this mortall life into the way of virtue and heauenly felicitie I meane the Pastours and Prelates amongst you men that are dedicated deuoted and consecrated to Gods worship are they that are your stumbling blockes and stones of offence and thrust and carry you by their bad examples peruerse and corrupt actions disordered and irregular life to the like enormities It is a thing too well knowne auouched and confessed so that wee neede not stay nor stand any longer vpon the proofe thereof As also it would be but a wronging of chast eares offending heauen and infecting the aire by those abominable stenches filths villanies and pollutions more then infectious deseruing rather to be couered and buried vnder the tombe of eternall obliuion then to bee vented foorth and brought to light for to see the day But yet I doubt that you will bring me for an excuse and honest cloake of these horrible and detestable impieties and for an argument of my pretended and obiected wickednesse and leuitie of minde the religious pietie deuotion of minde perfection of manners complement of virtues and holinesse of life of those of the company and condition from which I am departed and haue withdrawne and sequestred my selfe and although that what is said of those before be true yet these being such as all the world beleeueth and the outward appearance testifieth and beares record of as much I had no lawfull pretence and occasion to doe what I haue done seeing I might with facilitie and ease though elsewhere hardly worke out my saluation in that estate and condition which is so perfect and compleat and so farre distant and remoued from the enormities and irregularities of all the rest of your Church This is that whereunto now I should neede to answer in witnesse of the truth in defence of my owne innocence and for the simple peoples sake who suffer themselues to be deceiued by these faire shewes outward appearances fained and dissembled perfections and holines to the end that I might enlighten them bring them out of errour and make them to see the truth in his owne and natural brightnesse But because the shortnesse of this small declaration cannot suffer me to stand vpon it sufficiently and so long as it would be expedient and needfull I referre that part to another Treatise and particular discourse which I will set out shortly if God permit wherin I will cause plainly to bee seene by the eye and to bee touched with the finger of all the world that which is the truth of it In the meane time I say in grosse and generall tearmes that these are things disguised and full of mysteries being not the same within which they are without like to Sacraments and Parables The world sees only the crust the barke and the skinne and lookes no further into it whereupon it is and continues still cousened and deceiued That sad and demure countenance that pale face that lumpish visage that ragged behauiour that hollow and low looke those frowning browes are but as a faire out-side a counterfeited stone and a good face set vpon a bad pranke as a Tragicke shew wherein the King oftentimes counterfets the begger the wise man the foole the proud the humble the rich the poore but within and in truth it goes quite otherwise Vnder that course cloth that browne and gray habit that rugged and contemptible garment how much pride vanitie ambition couetousnesse desire and affection to honour and glory how much presumption good thoughts and opinions of themselues contempt and rash iudging of others how much enuie iealousie hatred and rancour and such like are there couered and hidden It cannot be conceiued and vnfolded nay it is incredible and beyond all imagination to those who haue not the triall and practise thereof They are very like to the tents of Arabia and the pauilions of Salomon all blacke without couered with the furres and dirtie skinnes of dead beasts vgly to behold for raine dust and filth but within all ouer gilded flourished shining with precious stones full of aromaticall odours I meane filled with pride vanitie presumption arrogancie and such like But yet more fitly and more to our purpose may they be compared to the Gods of the Egyptians without were they ingrauen with imbossements with inlaying guilded carued enammelled and inlaide with diuers colours there could nothing be found so faire pleasing and acceptable all the world did worship them did reuerence vnto them kneeled before them did offer and sacrifice to them all the fairest richest and most precious things they had but within were nothing but hay chaffe and filth a neast for toads adders and serpents Euen so it is with these men without and to the outward appearance they seeme to be milde courteous affable peaceable modest treatable bountifull humble euen mildenesse and goodnesse it selfe c. Clothed with coarse and base cloth with a contemptible habit without shirts without hosen or shooes with a mortified looke and an orderly pace c. and there is nothing so goodlie and perfect in show they seeme to be young Saints I I will not say little gods All the world respects honours and worships them if I may so speake does reuerence vnto them bends the knee before them yea offereth and sacrificeth vnto them the fairest fattest and best of all their goods and substance but as for the inward and that which is within O! what a store of dirt filth and villanie is therein There is nothing as I haue said but pride vanitie ambition proud presumption arrogance enuy iealousie and a thousand other such like wickednesses and mischiefes altogether incomparable vnconceiuable yea as I haue saide incredible and beyond all thought to those that haue not the triall and practise hereof I desire no other witnesses thereof then their owne consciences they know how it stands with them and wil acknowledge I am sure and ingenuously confesse at least in their soules that what I say is true But what I doe not say the tenth part of it no not the hundreth of what might be said and the wisest the most conscionable and honest men amongst them for there are yet some such amongst them and we must giue them this commendation and confession to the truth doe not conceale this but doe say with a loud and cleere voyce and affirme amongst them that if men did know and take them to be such as they are in stead of white loaues and wine wherewith they fill their wallets and bottles they would fling stones and flints at their heads and throw them head-long into the water We will speake and discourse hereof God willing another time more particularly and at large to the end as I haue said that I might enlighten those simple folkes that suffer themselues to be deceiued vnder these faire shewes and appearances and fained and dissembled perfection and societie and to make them to see the truth in his naturall