What think you of Stripes and Pilgrimages and such voluntary works by which the Roman Church think they make satisfaction to the Justice of God A. Not only that they cannot satisfie Gods Justice but that they deserve punishment because they are Superstitious Traditions of men and of which it shall be said Who hath required these things at your hands Q. What say you to the Counsel that Daniel gave Nebucadnezar to redeem his sins by Alms Dan. 4.27 A. That he doth not mean that the Alms of Nebucadnezar could be the price of his Redemption but that he would change his life in the presence of God and make up the time spent in unjustice and extortions by a serious amendment of life and giving liberally Alms to the poor and that in so doing God would be propitious to him who according to his mercy to repenting sinners hath promised Ezech. 18.21 22. That if the wicked turn from his sins they shall not be mentioned unto him and the word Translated by some Redeem signifies to break to tear and undoe what hath been done Q. If by our Works we cannot make satisfaction for our selves than we can far less do it for others A. That is certain therefore the Apostle Galat. 6.5 tells us That every man shall bear his own burthen and 2 Cor. 5.10 That we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ that every one may receive the things done in his Body according that he hath done whether it be good or bad Q. Yet Colos 1.24 St. Paul tells us That he fills up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in his Flesh for his Body sake which is the Church A. St. Paul saying for his Body which is the Church answers this objection for this shews us that besides Jesus Christs Natural Body whose sufferings were accomplished on the Cross when he said it is finished John 19.30 he hath a Mystical Body viz. the Church whose Afflictions and Sufferings are called Sufferings of Christ because of the near Union with Christ who looks upon that which is done to any of his as done to himself Matth. 25.40 and who cried from Heaven to Saul who Persecuted the Churches Act. 9.41 Saul Saul why persecutest thou me and St. Paul saying that he suffered for his Body which is the Church doth not mean for her Redemption but for her Example and Edification SECT XVII If the Sufferings of Christ were accomplished on the Cross Quest YOur saying that the Sufferings of Jesus Christ were accomplished on the Cross seems to contradict that which they say you Teach of Christ's descending into Hell that the Soul of Jesus Christ did locally descend into Hell after his death and was tormented with the Devils till his Resurrection A. This Accusation is an impudent Calumny invented by the Monks to make us odious to the people for on the contrary we have always Taught that the Sufferings of Jesus Christ were finished in his death and we overthrow the Doctrine of Purgatory and of Limbo's and Christ's Local Descension into Hell by his own words to the Converted Thief upon the Cross Luke 23.43 This day thou shalt be with me in Paradise which words shew that his Soul was with our Saviours in Paradise that same day Q. What hath given occasion to this Calumny A. An Evangelical Doctrine plainly taught in the Word of God that Jesus Christ suffer'd not only in his Body but likewise in his Soul having been extreamly afflicted and grieved therein which made him sweat drops of blood Luke 22.44 and to say Matth. 26.38 My Soul is exceeding sorrowful even unto death and upon the Cross Why hast thou forsaken me Matth. 27.46 Which also was very necessary for our Redemption for he being the Redeemer of our Souls as well as of our Bodies it was necessary he should suffer for us in his Soul as well as in his Body Q. Yet it will seem no Calumny to say That you Teach that Jesus hath been damned for these words are found in one of your Catechisms viz. in the French Section 10. How could Jesus be in such damnation A. The Author of that Catechism by that word damnation meaneth nothing but condemnation according to the primitive signification of the word and the word such which is added to that of damnation fully justifies that for being a relative word it must needs design the damnation spoken of before which is such as all Christians grant Jesus Christ hath suffered viz. That he drunk the Cup of the Wrath of God for Sin and suffered the Punishment that Sinners had merited and afterward the same Author explains himself so clearly that without much Malice he cannot be accused of teaching that Jesus Christ suffered the Punishment of the damned in Hell with the Devils for he put this difference betwixt Jesus Christs Suffering and the Wickeds Sufferings that the wicked continued therein but that the Anguish which Christ suffered was but a Sting for to prick him and that the wicked despair and are angry against God and blaspheme him whereas Jesus Christ never ceased to hope always in God in the midst of his distress SECT XVIII Of Pilgrimages Quest IS it lawful to go in Devotion to the Images and Relicks of Saints to be cured of any Distemper or for good success in our undertaking A. No For this is to leave the Creator and go to the Creature whereas we ought to have recourse to God only for Grace to help us in time of need Heb. 4.16 And the mercy of God being extended to all Nations he is not more accessible in one place than in another as Christ says to the Samaritan upon the contest between them and the Jews about the place of Worship which the one would have to be in Jerusalem the others in Mount Garizim John 4.21 23. Woman believe me the hour cometh when ye shall neither in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem worship the Father but the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth SECT XIX Of Monkish Vows and first of that of a Single Life Quest MAy one lawfully Vow a single life to God A. No For a single life is only fit for those that have the gift of Continence for those that have it not God commands to Marry 1 Cor. 7.9 If they cannot contain let them marry for it is better to marry than to burn Q. But may not perpetual Continency be Vowed to God A. No For it is the gift of God and not in our power St. Paul speaking of this gift 1. Cor. 7.7 says I would that all men were even as I my self but every man hath his proper gift of God one after this manner another after that Q. Who are then they that make themseves Eunuches for the Kingdom of Heaven Matth. 19.12 A. Those that finding that God hath granted them this gift have taken up a firm resolution in themselves to abstain from Marriage that they may serve God
Elected God only knoweth who are his 2 Tim. 2.19 Q. How understand you that out of the Church there is no Salvation A. First Out of the Church of the Elect none can be saved for they that have no Communion with the Members of the Body have none also With the Head which is Christ and which is the only name by which we can be saved Secondly Out of the Communion of the Catholick Visible Curch there is no Salvation if there be not an impossibility which cannot be overcome as suppose some among the Turks and Pagans Converted to Christ at the hour of death but it is altogether necessary to Salvation when it is possible to be joyned to some Assembly of Christians and make profession of the Faith of Christ for with the heart man believeth unto Righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation Rom. 10.10 But this Maxim may not be understood of any particular Church much less of the Roman Church which is the most corrupted of all the Churches which call themselves Christian Churches SECT VII If the Church can err Quest IS there any particular Church in the world to whom God hath given this priviledge not to err but to be infallible A. There is none which hath this privilege The Church of Israel who before the coming of Jesus Christ was the only Visible Church of God hath erred and fell many times into Idolatry in the 2 Chron. 15. it is said that for a long season Israel had been without the true God and without a teaching Priest and without Law and the Prophets Isaiah 56.10 Reproaches the Church of Israel that their watchmen were all blind and ignoraant Ezek. 20.7 We may learn that the Church of Israel committed Idolatry in Egypt did she not err in making of the Golden Calf Exod. 32. And when Juda had as many gods as Cities Jerem. 2.28 And in the time of Jesus Christ the Church of the Jews was infected with many Heresies and with the evil Leven of the Pharisees and there is not to be found an example of any particular Church from the Apostles time till now that hath persisted in their purity and it was for good reason that St. Paul writing to the Church of Rome bids her take heed least she should be cut off for her incredulity Rom. 11.21 22. For she hath fallen the most heavily and gone the furthest astray from the truth of all others Q. But if it be so that every particular Church hath erred and may err then it follows that all the Church hath failed and then what will become of the promise Jesus Christ made to his Church that the Gates of Hell should never prevail again her Math. 16.18 A. Jesus Christ in that passage speaks not of any particular Church precisely but of the Church of the Elect and gives us assurance by these words that all the machinations of the World and Satan shall never be able to hinder the Church from subsisting in the Earth but that there shall be a company of Believers which shall confess his Name for the Foundation of the Lord standeth sure God knoweth who are his 2 Tim. 2.19 and notwithstanding the Corruption of the World there is all ways reserved some who boweth not the Knee before Baal 1 Kings 19.18 And if it happen that some Church fall from the Truth God raiseth up another in whom he manifests his Knowledg Q. What you say seems contrary to your received opinion that the state of the Church hath been interred A. We only understand by this the general condition of the Church in the West which by reason of the Dominion of the Pope and the Supperstitions in the Roman Church hath been interrupted or greatly Corrupted but it follows not that though there were not in the West pure particular Visible Churches that there was not in the East and other parts of the World Q. But though each particular Church may err yet General Councils assembled in the Name of Jesus Christ cannot err for Jesus Christ hath promised that when two or three are gathered together in his Name he will be in the midst of them Matth. 18.20 A. I answer it cannot be affirmed with any certainty of Faith that there hath been any Council that hath not erred in some kind except that of the Apostles Acts 15. because they were immediately and infalliably lead into all Truth as Jesus Christ promised John 14.26 The Church of Israel assemnled in Council erred having condemned Jesus Christ to death as a Blasphemer Many that have named themselves General Councils have manifestly erred as that of Nice 2. which commanded to Worship Images upon pain of Curse and Anathem and that of Constance which took away the Cup in the Sacrament from the people though they grant that Jesus Christ had Instituted it and the Primitive Church had practised otherwise such Councils though they say they are assembled in the Name of Jesus Christ are not so since they Combat his Doctrine Q. What call you then a Council assembled in the Name of Jesus Christ A. These who being assembled by his Authority submit their decisions to his Holy Word SECT VIII Of the marks of the True Church Quest BY what mark know you the True Church since there are so many and so different in their sentiments and each of them pretending to be the true one A. By that which Jesus Christ gives us John 10.27 My sheep hear my voice and they follow me and Chap. 8.31 If you continue in my word then are you my disciples indeed That is then the true Church which is Conform to the word of Jesus Christ and obeys his voice Q. But what say you to Antiquity A. That it is a deceitful mark untruth being little later then Truth An error is nor the truer because it is ancient Antiquity destitute of Truth is but an antient error as an Antient Elegantly spoke Jesus Christ said not I am Custom but I am the Truth John 14. The only Antiquity that we receive is the first Truth which we have in the Holy Scripture to the which we Appeal for the condemnation of all error saying with Jesus Christ In the beginning it was not so Matth. 19.8 Q. What juâ—gment make you of Succession in the Chair A. That is also a false mark for Hereticks may also make use of Antiquity and Succession in the Chair without Truth is void We are not to judg of the Truth of a Church by her Succession but upon the contrary of her Succession by the Truth she Teaches The Pharisees in Moses Chair corrupted the Law and at this time the Doctors of the Roman Church in the pretended Chair of St. Peter Combat his Doctrine Q. Visibility and splendor may not it be a mark of the True Church A. No for the Word of God upon the contrary foretels crosses and afflictions to befal the Church and there happens sometimes so much calamity to the Church that she
seems to be hidden or to be vanished from the Earth as when she was Captive in Egypt and in Babylon shut up in the Family of Abraham and when many days passed in Israel without the True God and without a Teachin Priest and without the Law 2. Chron. 15.3 and when Idolatry was publickly introduced into the Kingdom of Juda and into the Temple of Jerusalem Q. But the Christian Church having received more authentick promises for extention and splendor it is not likely to be invisible and that City set on a Hill cannot be hidden Matth. 5.14 A. It is true that by the calling of the Gentiles the Christian Church is more extended than that of the Jews was and there shall always be a Visible Christian Church in the World but it is not necessary to a particular Churches being pure that it be Splendent and Visible The seven thousand men that had not bowed their Knee to Baal were the true Church though they appeared not in Israel and since the Church of Jerusalem ceased not to be the True Church when Revelation 12. she was forced to fly into the Wilderness to shun the persecution of the Jews and Rev. 12. Wings are given to the Church that she might fly and hide her self in the Wilderness And Chap. 13. there is spoken of a time wherein all the Earth should Worship the Beast Jesus Christ says Luke 18.8 When he shall come he shall find no Faith in the Earth and they of the Church of Rome themselves say that Antichrist will make the Sacrifice of the Mass to cease for three years and a half Q. May not perpetual duration be a mark of the true Church A. No because perpetual duration is a thing not known but hoped for and there is no particular Church hath received any promise from God to endure for ever Q. But some will say we wonder not that you reject those precedent marks seeing it is two hundred years agoe only since you appeared in the World so that you cannot show your Succession nor where you were before Calvin and Luther A. We do not boast of our Succession but of our Truth yet we prove sufficiently that our Religion is not new but the first and most antient in making appear that we have the same Religion that Christ and his Apostles had and being truth it self by consequent it could not be interrupted Truth being Eternal and immutable and there must needs therefore always have been some Church in the World that hath made profession thereof for the Gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church Those then that ask us where our Religion was before Luther and Calvin we will ask them where theirs was in the time of Christ and his Apostles both of us begin the History of our Religion at that time Q. May not multitude be a good mark of the True Church A. No more than the rest for it agrees better-with a false than with a True Church Jesus Christ commands us to enter in at the strait gate for broad is the way that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in there at Matth. 7.13 and Luke 12.32 he calls his Church the little flock and Exodus 23.2 we are forbidden to follow a multitude to do evil in short multitude cannot be a good mark of the True Church since Pagans and Mahumetans are more in number than the Christians and amongst the Christian Churches the Hereticks are commonly more numerous than the Orthodox as Christian Catholicks were fewer than the Arians Q. What think you of Miracles A. That we have reason to suspect that Mark since Jesus Christ hath foretold us Matth. 24.24 That false Christs and false Prophets shall arise shewing great signs and wonders and St. Paul foretels us 2 Thess 2.9 That the son of perdition will come with signs and lying wonders Q. How know you that the Miracles of the Roman Church are lying wonders A. First Because they give Authority to lies as Worshiping of Images and Praying to Saints Secondly Because often they are not done in the Name of God and Jesus Christ as the Miracles of Jesus Christ and his Apostles but in the name of some Images or Saint Thirdly Because they are feigned inventions and contrivances to deceive the simple and credulous and to keep them in their Superstition therefore they do them not in publick before those they call Hereticks to Convert them but secretly without Witnesses Q. Hath the True Church no Miracles A. Yes Those of Jesus Christ and his Apostles which having sufficiently comfirmed the Doctrine declared to us we have no need of new Miracles to give Authority thereto an Evil and Adulterous Generation seeketh after a sign Matth. 12.39 16.4 Signs are not for them that believe but for them that believe not 1 Cor. 14.22 Q. May the titles of Catholick and Holy be marks of the True Church A. No Because names are not essential properties and an Heretical Church may as well assume these Titles as the True one besides the Title of Catholick or Universal can be no mark of any particular Church Q. What think you of Vnion A. That it is not an absolute mark of the Church for it is found in false and Heretical Churches which are well United but Union in Faith and Conformity to the Word of God is a true mark of a Church but if destitute of Truth it is only a conspiracy against God Q. What judgment make you of Holiness A. That is the only right mark of the True Church provided that Holyness in Doctrine be understood as well as in manners SECT IX Of our Separation from the Roman Church Quest WHy have you separated from the Church of Rome A. Because our Conscience would not suffer us to partake of her Errors and Superstitions since we find not in her the only mark of the True Church which is Conformity to the Word of God nor the pure Administration of the Sacraments Q. But ought not Christian Charity and the love of peace make us bear with their errors St. Paul tells us that Charity beareth all things 1 Cor. 13.7 and should the infirmities and faults of our brethren make us separate from them and break the Vnion of the Church by a Schism A. We must bear with our Neighbours faults but we must not consent to them now we cannot continue in Communion with an Heretical Church but we must consent to their Errors 2 Cor. 6.14 What Fellowship hath Righteousness with Unrighteousness and what Communion hath Light with Darkness and what agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols And it were not just that to please our Neighbours we should defile our selves with their Superstition St. Paul recommends Truth to us as well as Charity and Ephes 4.3 he would have us to keep the Unity of the Spirit in the bond of Peace Q. But may not our separation be justly accused of Schesm A. No For it is not absolutely Separation which makes