drying up the Tongue of the Egyptian Sea and he will make the Rivers Islands and dry up all their Pools And this shall be the Plague of Egypt and of all the Heathen that will not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King the Lord of Hosts even upon them shall be no rain Zech. 14. And the true Worshippers are such as worship the Father in the Spirit and in the Truth he that hath an Ear to hear let him hear And the Lord is making Wayes in the Wilderness and Rivers in the Desart and the Wilderness shall sing for joy and the Desart shall blossom as a Rose and grow as the Lilly and this is the Lords doing by his own Arm that no Flesh should glory in his Presence who is confounding the Wisdom of the Wise and bringing the Understanding of the Prudent to nothing so that Babes and Sucklings shall say Where is the Wise Where is the Scribe Where is the Disputer Where is he that can count the Towers Hath not God made Foolish the Wisdom of this World the World by all their Wisdom know no God I thank thee O Father Lord of Heaven and Earth because thou hast hid these things from the Wise and Prudent and hast revealed them unto Babes even so Father for so it seemeth good in thy sight Matth. 11.25 These things I have written for the vindication of the Truth and for the manifesting the Darkness of them that reproach and oppose it and them that live in it and for their Souls sake that have any true breathings or sincere desires after the true Knowledge of the True and Living God for to know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent is Life Eternal Query 1. Whether there be any more Saviours of the Immortal Soul but one that is able to save it or to bring Salvation to it yea or nay If you say nay there is but one able to save and able to destroy as the Lord said Beside me there is no Saviour and there is no other Name under Heaven by which Men can be saved but Jesus Christ 2. Then whether the visible Person of Flesh and Bones be the only Saviour seeing the Apostle saith the Ingrafted Word is able to save the Soul and the Grace of God that bringeth Salvation hath appeared to all Men And who was Enoch's Saviour and the Prophets who were before that visible Flesh and Bones was 3. Whether the visible Person of Flesh and Bones be the Ingrafted Word Or whether that Person hath appeared to all Men seeing that which bringeth Salvation hath I leave it to the Witness of God in you all to consider and judge For if you say the visible man with visible Flesh and Bones is the alone Saviour as you have said Then whether this visible man be in the hearts of People for the Apostle preached Christ the Word nigh in the Heart and in the Mouth and the Ingrafted Word is able to save the Soul so be did not preach a visible Christ with Flesh and Bones as you do but the Word which W. B. said was not Christ And Paul preached God that made the World c. that was not far from every one of us the Invisible God but you preach a visible man with Flesh and Bones at a great distance from all People above where the Sun Moon and Stars are as M. C. said his Saviour was which he owned for Salvation So let all People read with moderation and see how contrary these zealous Professors are to the Apostles of Christ who desired to know Christ no more after the Flesh And Christ said to such Ye worship ye know not what God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in the Spirit and in the Truth and God dwells and walks in his People according to his Promise 2 Cor. 6.16 4. And whether the Flesh which you call visible be not the Vail spoken of Hebr. 10.20 And whether the Pot of Manna and Aaron's Rod that Budded and the Holiest of all were not within the Vail And whether that Vail in the old time was not a Type of this Vail through which this New and Living Way is consecrated for us read Hebrews 10. and understand what ye read 5. And whether such as were made to sit together in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus who would know him no more after the Flesh were not come within the Vail where the true Bread was which nourishes their Souls up unto Eternal Life which the Manna was a Type of 6. And whether the Bodies of the Saints did not become the Temples of the Living God and did not he dwell in them and walk in them And he that knew not Christ in him was not he a Stranger to the New and Living Way and a Reprobate Or were the Heavenly Places in Christ where they sat above the Skyes 7. And when Matthew Caffen said his Saviour was up in the Heaven where the Sun Moon and Stars are which are visible without him Did he not then ask me where my God was that I worshipped and served And did I not plainly tell him before many People that he dwelt in me according to his Promise and that he was my Saviour And didst not thee M. C. cry out with a loud voice O Blasphemy just like the Jews against Christ and them that stopt their Ears against Stephen but did not I reply to thee Then call the Scripture Blasphemy nay thou may as well call the Lord Blasphemer for speaking so for they are his Words and Promise to his People I will dwell in them and walk in them I will be their God and they shall be my People Here all may see the Darkness and Blindness that is happened to these men who do withstand the Truth of God and his precious Promises as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses but their folly will be made manifest to all men as theirs was who call such Blasphemers who witness the Promise of the Father which Christ bid his Disciples wait for fulfilled But some may say If God and Christ and Justification and Salvation and all must be known within Then what Benefit have you by the Death and Sufferings of Christ And for what end came he into the World And what advantage have any People by these things Answ Much every may for first he in his Birth and coming in the Flesh was the opening of a Door though under a Vail to the Carnal Eye to see into the Mysteries of his Kingdom which was at hand as he told them as his being born of a Virgin and then being carried into Egypt and then being brought back again as also his being kept out of the Inn which was full of Guests in the dayes of Taxing and his being wraped in swadling clothes and laid in a Manger shewed his entertainment in the World and among the Professors of all sorts that saw not the Invisible Life but lookt at the visible appearance and so his Face was more marr'd then any mans and his form more then the sons of men And then in his Preaching he told for what end he was born and came into the World to bear witness to the Truth and so he fulfilled all the Types and Shadows and Sacrifices under the Law by his Offering once for all and ended them for ever and so a Body was prepared to do his Fathers Will who would nor have any more such Sacrifices and Offerings but a New and Living Way must be consecrated for the People through the Vail that is to say his Flesh which was offered up once for all so here all the outward Offerings which were many and often ended and now the Offering is in Righteousness in that which exceeds the Scribes and Pharisees and the true Worship is now as he said in the Spirit and in the Truth And so as they offered the Blood of Bulls and Goats and such like things in their Sacrifices for Sin and Transgression so Christ at his Death and Suffering offered up a Body of Flesh and Blood which was prepared as I said to that end of his Father So he did his Fathers Will with which he was well pleased saying This is my beloved Son hear ye him so that God is in Christ reconciled and out of him there is no Reconciliation nor acceptable Sacrifice And now all must hear him who said I am the Way the Truth and the Life and I am the Light of the World belive in the Light whose name is called The Word of God which his Ministers in his stead preached nigh in the heart and in the mouth and forbid saying who shall ascend up into Heaven to bring him down or descend to fetch him up c. but the Word of Reconciliation they had and this they preached that People might come to Christ and be reconciled to God and their Fellowship was with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ and the Blood of Christ did clense them and yet they desire to know him no more after the Flesh But these things are Parables to the Wise men of the World Therefore I may conclude as the Apostle did Without controversie great is the mystery of Godliness God was manifest in the Flesh justified in the Spirit seen of Angels preached unto the Gentiles believed on in the World received up into Glory 1 Tim. 3.16 And so he is out of your sight who deny the Light within for that gives the knowledge of his Glory in the Face of Jesus Christ as ye may read 2 Cor. 4. and 6. 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THE True Christ Ovvned IN A few Plain Words of Truth by way of Reply to all such Professors or Profane who lay to the charge of the Elect People of God called Quakers That they deny the Bloud of Christ and his Body and Resurrection and that they deny the Lord that bought them and trample the Blood of the Covenant under their feet This is the great Out-cry in the Mouthes of such as know not what they say nor whereof they affirm lifting up their Voices like the unbelieving Jews of Heresie and Blasphemy against us and all this is because we answer not their Wils and the Imaginations of their dark mind but according to the Manifestation of God in every mans Conscience as the true Apostles and Ministers of Christ did and according to the Scriptures of Truth which Holy Men of God spake forth as they were moved by the Holy Ghost as will plainly appear to all whose Eye the Lord hath opened which may give much satisfaction to such as sincerely desire to know the Truth as it is in Jesus and walk in it for whose sake and the Vindication of the Truth and People of God is this written By WILLIAM BAYLY London Printed in the Year 1667. The Preface READER who ever thou art consider seriously that the things of God and the true knowledge of them are of deep and weighty concernment and there are but few in comparison that have attained to the true and right knowledge of the Mysteries of his everlasting Kingdom notwithstanding their great noise and talk of Profession the things that truly belong to their peace are hid from their Eyes and their House is desolate and so will remain till they are turned from the Darkness to the Light of Christ which shines in their hearts as it is written God who commanded Light to shine out of darkness hath also shined in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ Mark here what gives the true knowledge of the things of God which the natural man understands not because they are spiritually discerned it is the Light which shines in the hearts of people which is the Maifestation of the Spirit of God given to every man to profit withal and except people be turned to this and learn of it they can never be profited in the Way and Worship and true Knowledge of God Therefore while People are from th Gift of God in them they put Light for Darkness and Darkness for Light And so if thou wouldst have a clear and right understanding of these things and be fully satisfied in thy own mind concerning them thou must wait in the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ for Counsel and Instruction for no man can know the things of God but by the Spirit of God who giveth his Holy Spirit to them that rightly ask it of him to which I shall leave thee to be led into the right understanding hereof that the things belonging to thy Souls peace may not be hid from thee The First Query and Charge 1. DO you Quakers own that Blood of Christ which was shed without the Gates of Jerusalem upon the Cross which when the Souldier thrust in his Spear forthwith there came Water and Blood and they that saw it bare Record that this was visible Blood which came out of the side of the visible Man Christ Do you own Justification by this Blood which was visible which we do believe you do not For we could never hear you directly answer us to this matter but evade it by other terms and shuffle it off not daring to shew your Faith and Principle in this particular so that we conclude and publish that you are them that deny Justification alone by the visible Blood of the visible Man Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary Thus said Matthew Caffen Answer As for the word visible Blood and visible Man which thou so much talkest of in this kind they are terms quite beside the Language of the Scriptures of Truth or else I am very ignorant of such Translations But we do as really own our Justification by the Blood of Jesus Christ the onely begotten Son of God as the Apostles and Saints of old did without any evasion or shuffling according to their very meaning and plain Declaration who said If we are in the Light as he is in the Light then have we fellowship one with another mark in what their fellowship was Is yours in the Light and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin 1 John 1.7 You may see here is nothing mentioned of the word visible And again John 6.53 Then Jesus said unto them Verily verily I say unto you Except ye eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink his Blood ye have no Life in you Whoso eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood hath Eternal Life and I will raise him up at the last day For my Flesh is meat indeed and my Blood is drink indeed He that eateth my Flesh and drinketh my Blood dwelleth in me and I in him c. These words of Truth we own and witness but your word visible Flesh and visible Blood which you would strain us up to express to answer your wills and dark imaginations we do not read from Christ nor his Apostles in all the Scriptures So we desire all People to take notice of the ground these People have to say we deny the Blood of Christ for because I did not answer Matthew Caffen in a late Discourse about these things in the express tearm visible it being not according to the form of sound words he therefrom concluded that we deny the Blood of Christ that we do not own justification by it who might as well conclude the same of Paul and the rest of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ as of us for not using the word visible when they express the Flesh and Blood of Christ yea of Christ himself who leaves out that expression which they so much contend about and on the contrary saith The Flesh profits nothing it s the Spirit gives Life John 6.62 63. Then tell me O ye Professors of Christ's and his Apostles words who say they are your Rule What is that Flesh that is meat indeed And what is that Flesh that profits nothing seeing both are the words of Truth And again take the words of Peter a Minister of the Word which endureth for ever to the Elect that were scattered throughout several Places 1 Pet. 1.18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye are not redeemed with corruptible things as Silver and Gold from your vain conversation received by tradition from your Fathers but with the precious Blood of Christ as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot Why do you not here find fault with Peter for not using the word visible instead of precious which was my term several times to thee and thy Companions in that
Discourse which ye would not receive as satisfactory to you so ye may as well be unsatisfied and contend with Peter and Christ and Paul and the Scriptures of Truth throughout as with us about the word visible and call them Sophisters and Blasphemers as thou M. C. calledst me when I spake their words without adding or diminishing as may appear hereafter And again see the Testimony of John a Servant of God who bare record of the Word of God and of the Testimony of Jesus Christ and of all things that he saw Rev. 1.1 2. and in chap. 7. vers 14. And he said unto me these are they that came out of great Tribulation and have washed their Robes and made them white in the Blood of the Lamb he doth not say in the visible Blood of the Lamb they have washed their Robes So though you thus exclaim against us in these things and brand us with Heresie c. yet we have and do see whose eyes the Lord hath opened more for us then are or ever shall be against us for we have the Witness of God and of all his faithfull Servants and Ministers and the Testimony of his own Son on our side and if ye had understood their Words and Writings which ye so much talk of ye would easily understand our Faith and Principles concerning these Matters but as Christ said in those dayes concerning the zealous outside Professors so say I now I thank thee O Father Lord of Heaven and Earth that thou hast hid these things from the Wise and Prudent of the World and hast revealed them to Babes c. And much more might be spoken as to this particular of the Blood of Christ but in the mouthes of two or three Witnesses let these things be established which when people come to understand aright with a spiritual discerning they will not cry out against us that we deny the Blood of Christ and trample the Blood of the Covenant under our feet as these men have done through their ignorance the Lord give them Repentance and forgive them for they know not what they do for the Blood of the Covenant is that which sanctifieth and without holiness or sanctification no man shall see the Lord and this we do not trample on or count an unholy thing but do praise the Lord that bought us that we are made witnesses of it and do acknowledge our Salvation as the Apostle Paul and Silvanus and Timotheus did to the Church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 2.13 to be through the Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth Thus were they chosen from the beginning to Salvation as ye may read And these thing we do not count unholy but do prize and esteem them more then all the visible perishing things in the whole World though you have thus belyed and reproached us The second Query and Charge 2. BVt do you own Salvation by the Man Christ that was born of the Virgin Mary and that was baptized of John in Jordan and that preached in the World and was crucified dead and buried and rose again the third day and ascended into Heaven and there sitteth at the Right-hand of God and shall come again to judge the World now mark If we speak the Truth in the uprightness of our hearts and say yea to all this it doth not at all satisfie them but they further proceed with terms beyond what is written But do you believe in the visible Man Christ with flesh and bones which the People fastned their eyes on when he read in the Book of Isaiah So that Christ Jesus was a visible Man with Flesh and Bones as he himself said to Thomas A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see me have so they did see him after he was risen from the dead and this was visible Do you Quakers own Salvation alone by this visible Person Christ Jesus for we believe you do not because you preach up a Light within and not the visible Man Christ for Salvation and so we publish you to be them that deny the Lord that bought them and so are of Antichrist and false Prophets This was the sum of Matthew Caffen's Question and Charge in that late Discourse against us who makes it his work to revile the Truth and them that do witness it revealed in the inward parts where God doth require it Psal 51.6 Answer The former Part is here answered already with a word of Truth yea and as to the latter part thereof I have this to say That we do not deny but own and believe that he was the Son of God and the true Christ and the Saviour of the World that did appear to his Disciples and did eat and drink with them and talk with them after he was risen from the dead who said A Spirit hath not Flesh and Bones as ye see me have and all that is or was spoken and written by the Prophets and Apostles of Christ concerning him what he was or what he did or said we do really believe without any equivocating as some of you usually charge us with and with reservations to which we may say as the Apostle If our Gospel be hid or reserved it is hid to them that are lost whose minds the God of this World hath blinded that do not believe lest the Light of the Glorious Gospel of Christ who is the Image of God should shine unto them read 2 Cor. chap. 4. throughout you that talk against the Light within and understand what ye reade and what ye are crying out against it 's no less than the Son of God if you will believe Paul who witnessed the Son of God revealed in him and Christ the Son of God said I am the Light of the World But as to your Charge I say further That we own Salvation by no other Christ then him the true Apostles preached nor no other Gospel or Name under Heaven by which men shall be saved but by Jesus Christ who is the same yesterday to day and for ever And for the word visible its yours and not Christs nor his Apostles nor mine and so I leave it out and keep to the Form of sound words as the Apostle exhorts and not meddle with it lest I add to his words and he reprove me but he that took upon him the likeness of sinful Flesh and the form of a Servant and was found in fashion as a Man and made in the likeness of Men being in the form of God thought it not robery to be equal with God this Christ Jesus we own and witness Salvation by and by no other Phil. 2.6 7 8. And though Christ Jesus spoke at that time and upon that occasion of his Flesh and Bones that they might believe that it was he that was risen from the dead whom the chief Priests Scribes Pharisees and Elders had caused to be crucified which before he had declared to
incorruption And in the 24th verse saith Awake to Righteousness and sin not for some have not the Knowledge of God I speak this to your shame which were such as he called Fool that questioned and imagined about the Resurrection of the Body and what manner of Body it should be before they were awakened to Righteousness and left off sinning in which state they could not discern the Lords Body not the Resurrection for Sin is Darkness and the Wages of it is Death and what can you see in the Dark and when ye are Dead What knowledge of God have them that are in the Grave Therefore I say Awake and let your Eyes be opened and contend no longer against the Light within for it is that which gives the knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Christ Jesus And such as know the Power of his Resurrection being made conformable to his Death have seen his Glory To whom be Praise and Eternal Glory and Thanksgiving who is the Immortal Invisible the onely Wise God blessed forever Amen And much more might be written as to manifest your Darkness and Ignorance in the things of God and of the very Letter of the Scriptures and so denying the Light which should give you a good Understanding ye do err not knowing the Scriptures nor the Power of God see Matth. 22.29 which was spoken concerning the Resurrection Post-script THe Key that opens the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God is the Spirit of God and without it no man can rightly understand or judge of them or have any true sight thereof for the Natural man is blind and so speaks by imagination not at all perceiving them because they are spiritually discerned as it is written 1 Cor. chap. 2. And so often it happeneth with such to speak evil of those things they know not but in what they know naturally in those things they corrupt themselves mark naturally it s an easie thing for any vain Man or Hypocrite to talk or dispute about a natural thing as you may see how these Natural Professors use the word visible about the Body and Blood of Christ which I do not find written in all the Scriptures of Truth as to those particulars And so because we do not speak to answer their wills contrary to the Scriptures they are highly offended with us as Matthew Caffen was with me because I said God dwells in his People and that Christ sitteth at the Right-hand of God but M. C. said with a loud voice My Saviour that I own Salvation by is that visible Man Christ that is ascended up into Heaven and there sitteth at the Right-hand of God that visible Man with the same Flesh and Bones which he took of the Virgin Mary Which Heaven dost thou mean said I to him I mean said he that visible Heaven up there pointing over his head towards the Sky What up there where the Sun Moon and Sars are said I Yea said M. C. this is my Faith and my Principle I care not who knows it though you Quakers hide yours and will not deal plainly but are ashamed of what ye hold c. That is false Then said I Did Paul speak Truth and honestly to the People or did he mock them and deal deceitfully with them when he bid them seek the things that are above where Christ fitteth at the Right-hand of God c Or did he speak of impossibilities to them For if he meant up there where the visible Sun Moon and Stars are the visible Heaven How was it possible Or wherein was it any way profitable for them to seek things up there Or what things were they there to seek Oâ— did ever any of them obey his Exhortation to whom he thus spake Did any of them clime up thither and find Christ fitting there in a visible single Person as M. C. said he was there so And what things are there to be sought as pertaining to Salvation let the Witness of the living God in all People that have but the least understanding judge and answer And whether these men in their imaginations have not made to themselves the likeness of things in Heaven or things in Earth contrary to the command of God For Christ doth not always sit where he is though he mentioned sitting signifying a place of abode but Stephen saw Heaven open and Jesus standing at the Right-hand of God when he was before the Council bearing a Testimony That the Most-High dwelleth not in Temples made with Hands as saith the Prophet Heaven is my Throne and Earth is my Foot-stool What House will ye build me saith the Lord Or what is the Place of my Rest Hath not my Hands made all these things Acts 7.48 But Stephen was full of the Holy Ghost looking up stedfastly into Heaven and saw the Glory of God and Jesus standing on the Right-hand of God which they that gnashed with their Teeth on him did not see for they did alwayes resist the Holy Ghost as their Fathers did and they stopt their Ears and ran upon him with one accord as all the Professors in Christendom so called have done against the harmless People of God in this Age such as resist that which is Holy in themselves must needs resist and reproach and persecute them that are filled with it and born of it and so the Scripture is fulfilled they hated me before they hated you John 15.18 And so though men may be wise and zealous and learned and prudent and great and rich and mighty and be Rulers and Teachers c. yet if they resist the Holy Ghost or Spirit of Truth the Mysteries of God and of his Kingdom are still hid from them though they profess and talk of them with their mouth and lips yet their foolish heart is still darkened because they like not to retain God in their knowledge but like to retain only a kind of outside knowledge of those things that his Children do witness the Life and Power of within and so they are inwardly ravened from that which only can give the true and saving knowledge of God and of his Glory 2 Cor. 4.6 And so from the Wise and Prudent of the World in that which is natural and visible God hath hid and doth hide the Mysteries of his Heavenly Kingdom and Dominion but doth reveal and shew them plainly to Babes whom he forbids to cast their Pearls before Swine such as feed upon the Husk lest they trample them under their feet and turn again and rent them yet are we rent with divers and manifold Reproaches and Persecutions by such as pretend themselves the Sheep of Christ and People of God But by their Fruits ye shall know them and especially from the Teachers of the Letter of all sorts do we meet with much opposition but Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ their strength is but a Reed of Egypt where Death and Darkness is which may be felt and the Lord is