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A81396 Christ exalted, and alone worthy to open the seals of the book. And the scriptures owned in their place. A true testimony of him, as is manifest, in answer to a book, intituled, The Quakers apostacy, from the perfect rule of scriptures. Given forth by John Timson, of Great Bowden in Leicestershire. And the deceits and blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers, is turned upon his own head, and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with, in what is written for the simples sake, and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it. And the ten queries he saith he vindicateth, and would print but foure of them, they are all published, with the answers that he charges to be confused, dark and deceitfull, that the answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them. He that hath an understanding in the light, read and judge. / William Dewsberry. Dewsbury, William, 1621-1688. 1656 (1656) Wing D1258; Thomason E891_6; ESTC R206512 24,367 32

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witnesse against thy false accusations and revileings which thou hast filled thy Book withall As in the 14. and 15. Pa Speaking to them thou calls friends whom thou sayst is seduced and thou declares that those whom thou charges with seducing them doth teach them to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship without scruple or checke of Conscience before they can enjoy God or be taught immediately what to do first put out the true light and power of Conscience to do his office by de spising the means of enlightning and convincing it to act in the soul and then resolves to follow the immediate commands of Conscience without questioning the Author of those Lawes at all Reply Thy accusation is fals we do not teach any to cease from all religious duties of commanded worship neither put out the true light we teach all to be obedient to the commands of God who saith this is my beloved Son in whom I am wel-pleased hear him Mat. 17. 5. And we bear testimony of him that he is the true light that lighteth every one that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. and convinces the world of sin Righteousnesse and Judgement Joh. 16. 8. and he alone commands in the Conscience for God and is the Author of the perfect Law handed in the hand of a mediator to whom we exhort all to be subject and in whom all the Children of light walk Col. 2. 6. And for thy expressing a depth of deceit and delusion which thou charges upon us which is found in thy self who hath made lyes thy refuge to slander the innocent which is further manifest in thy 16. Pa. Thou sayst we take no notice of Scripture authority as if they were altogether out of date which false accusation is witnessed against in what is returned in answer to the preface of thy Book And in the 17. and 18. Pa. thou charges us with impudent foreheads to make a shew of one thing and intend another purposely minded to deceive and yet they tell us often that as they write so they meane and speak the truth in plainesse most horrible hypocrisy and deceit which nothing but a lying and a knavish head dare goe about to excuse c. And all those unsavory words as before written wherein thou sayst we have discovered to purpose the deceit of our answer in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and where the new Covenant is witnest the law is written in the heart and the witnesse and testimony of Jesus within bearing witnesse with our spirits that we are the Sons of God Reply Doing any thing of purpose to deceive through hypocrisye or knavish heads we deny and in the presence of God we speak the truth in plainesse and doe witnesse there is no deceit in saying the revelations of Christ are according to Scripture and all in the new Covenant do know the law of God written in their hearts and the witnesse or testimony of Jesus within 1 Jo. 5. 10. bearing witnesse with their spirits that they are the Children of God Ro. 8. 16. and this declared is neither deceitfull nor knavish which is the unsavory words thou charges on us let the truth of God in all Consciences judge to whom they belong the Scriptures we are not against they bear testimony of Christ the light whom we witnesse the way to the father Mat. 1. 27. None knows the father but the Son and he to whom the Son will reveale him by the revelation of the Spirit of God is the things of God knowne to his people 1 Cor. 2. 9. 10. 13. Ro. 8. 11. 16. according as is recorded we witnesse the Scriptures fulfilled in Christ the light who is our life Col. 3. 3. 4. And whereas thou queries did ever any read of the law and testimony in the heart and that the law and testimony in the heart is the law of the new Covenant Reply Who hath read the Scripture in the fear of God hath read what the Lord hath promised as declared Isa 8. 16. Bind up the testimony seal the law among my Disciples and Jer. 31. 33. This shall be the Covenant I will make with the house of Israel in those daies saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their inward parts and write it in their hearts Heb. 8. 10 11 12. and the law written in the heart we witnesse and the Lord faithful in performing according to his Promise in the new Covenant And thou goes on in the 19. and 20. Pa calling us impostors and pervertors of the new Covenant and to be in Idle proud fancyes and itching humors of our owne brains in our Apostate Condition Reply We in the light can bear thy reproach and have witnessed the truth that it may stand a witnesse against thy revileings and in the Lord we rest who will make manifest whether thou or we be the perverters of the new Covenant and guilty of what thou charges us with And whereas thou in the 22. Pa. sayes that W. Dewesberry tells us that the mighty day of the Lord is appeared in the North of England and is riseing towards the South and shall overspread this Nation and all the Natious of the world c. what the mans fancy and designe is in bruiting and makeing such a noise of the appearance of the mighty day of the Lord judge ye I am sure he hath sufficiently discovered his owne folly in blazing abroad such dreams of his owne lying heart c. Reply In thy 2. Pa. thou hath enlarged thy self concerning that Book calling it a lying paper c. and the truth is witnessed in answer to thy charge and this in answer to what is here written fancies bruitishnesse folly dreams and lyes W. Deusberry denys the truth he hath declared as the Lord hath him moved in faithfullnesse to the souls of all people that they be not found the sloathfull servants putting the day of the Lord a farr off in this his day wherein the houre of his righteous judgement is come Rev. 14. 7. to all that wait on him the truth is declared that all men may prepare in the light the Lord to meet and no longer in sloathfulnesse remain least he come upon them as a theife in the night and if the day of the Lord do not arise over all the world and the kingdoms of the world become the kingdomes of our Lord and his Christ and the Lord performe not as is declared then say the Lord harh not spoken by me who is known to the world by name William Dewsberry And in the 22. Pa. thou says we have set our selves in the Throne of Christ judging the whole world Reply Thy accusation is false self we deny to Christ we are snbject who sits on his Throne and is come and comeing in his Saints to judge the world Jude 14 15. 1 Cor. 6. 2. and 2. 5. And in the 23. Pa. thou sayst why do not we command the dead to rise
CHRIST EXALTED AND Alone worthy to open the Seals of the Book And the Scriptures owned in their place A True TESTIMONY of him as is manifest in Answer to a Book Intituled The Quakers Apostacy from the perfect Rule of Scriptures Given forth by John Timson of Great Bowden in Leicestershire And the Deceits and Blasphemies he charges upon the Quakers is turned upon his own head and he found guilty of what he reproaches them with in what is written for the simples sake and truth to clear from false accusations and lyes cast upon it And the Ten Queries he saith he vindicateth and would Print but foure of them they are all published with the Answers that he charges to be confused dark and deceitfull that the Answers may witnesse for themselves against what is charged upon them He that hath an understanding in the light read and judge WILLIAM DEWSBERRY Search the Scriptures for in them ye think ye have eternall life and they are they which testifie of me And ye will not come to me that ye might have life John 5. 39 40. Jesus saith unto him I am the way and the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me John 14. 6. London Printed for Giles Calvert at the west end of Pauls 1656. Christ Exalted AND Alone worthy to open the Seals of the Book And the Scriptures owned in their place c. John Timson THE Book thou hath Printed is seen with the light that returned an Answer to thy first Queries and for the truths sake and it to clear from the lies slanders and aspersions cast upon it in the light here is writ to witnesse against the falshood and untruth which thou hast charged us withall that answers thy Queries which to that of God in all consciences who it minds will give them to discern that what thou hast charged against the people who in scorn are called Quakers is false and on thee is returned as the lines following make manifest wherein is writ what thou hast charged them withall and to clear the truth an answer thereunto is returned In thy Preface as thou calls it which thou presents to the Reader thou hast not much of it exprest before thou begins falsly to accuse us charging us with drawing people aside and intangling them with dark Diabolicall snares c. And thou saith The answers thou received to thy ten Queries were so obscure deceitfull and confused that it constrained thee to Reply To which thou saith an Answer thou hast received c. and hath now undertaken to give the sense of what thou understands of what is writ to thee and hath given it forth publickly to the world that we have accused thee of slanders in things that are too grosse in plainnesse of speech to publish to the world c. Reply Darke diabolical snares we deny the word of the Lord God we witnesse which was in the beginning which word is life and the life is the light of men John 1. 1. 4. which word we preach to turn the mindes of people from darknesse to light from the power of Satan to the liveing God Acts. 26. 18. in the light of his liveing word which discovers the thoughts and intents of the heart Heb. 4. 12. to waite in his light on him for power to lead out of all the waies of darknesse into union with the father of life in Christ the light who in him walke there is no occasion of stumbling Jo. 2. 10 but who deny to be guided by his spirit is none of his Ro. 8 ver 9. but in darknesse walke and stumble at noon day and it is truth we declare as it is recorded in the Scripture of truth he that can receive it let him and for thy charging the answer to be obscure deceitfull and confused seeing the deceit in thee hath published that they are deceitfull and could not publish them to make manifest what the deceit is and some of them which thou hast published thou hath both added and diminished for the truths sake the queries with their answers is published that the answer may witnesse for it self against the falshood thou hast charged on it he that hath an eye to see let him see And for thy giveing thy sence of what thou understands of our writeing and saith we accuse thee of slandering c. Reply Thy sence thou gives of our words with thy dark understanding we deny and slandering we deny it is thy owne practise proved to thy face by thy owne words as followeth Second false accusation 2. Thou sayes that we judge our novices and all others besides our selves u●c●peable to receive some of our principles as yet and therefore we study to darken the sence by subtill glozing equivocating expressions and shuffles Reply Thy false accusation we deny we doe not judge Novices besides our selves uncapeable to receive our principles we know Christ the true light hath lighted every one that comes into the world and the Gospel we preach is to turn the mindes of people from darknesse to light and who it minds it will give them an understanding the principle of pure religion to know Christ the light in whom we stand cleare of thy slanders in his light we plainly speake as moved of him and doe not study to darken the sence of our wordes as thou dost falsely accuse us the Lord is Judge between thee and us 3. The third accusation charging us with damnable heresies c. and further thou sayest what thou hast charged us withall is upon such rationall grounds that thou art sure we are convinced in the secret of our hearts and Consciences that thou lyes not In the presence of God I charge thee to be a lyar in the slanders and lyes before written what followeth will make thee more manifest thou sayest we frequently judge men by the light which gave forth the Scripture even while we are opposing the authority of Scriptures as they are the only rule of knowing God and Jesus Christ whom he hath sent c. Reply Thy charge is false in saying we oppose the authority of Scriptures which Christ the light who gave forth the Scripture who spake as one haveing authority and not as the Scribes Mat. 7. 29. and the Scripture is a true testimony of him who is the way to the father none knowes the father but the son and he to whom the son reveales him Mat. 11. 27. so thou in the light art seene to be guilty of what thou chargest us withall in denying Christ the light within to be the authority of Scriptures and the perfect rule of faith and obedience therefore let flesh be silent and the lying mouth be stopped for Christ we own which was before the Scriptures and is the authority of them for when he spoke them forth he spoke as one haveing authority and according as Christ speaketh of the Scriptures we them own in their place a true testimony of him Jo. 5. 39 40.
who is the way the truth and the life and no man cometh to the father but by him Jo. 14. 6. So none comes to the knowledge of the father by reading the Scriptures though they think to finde life there they shall not if they come not to Christ of whom they testifie and in whom the life is who saith search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternall life and they are they which testifie of me and he reproves all who will not come to him that they may have life So what thou charges us withall thou art the man that denys the authority of Scriptures and found guilty of slandering the Children of light as what is written makes manifest and what as followeth will make thee more manifest to all that have eyes to see the many falshhoods and lyes thou hast begun the booke withall in that thou calls the preface to the reader so out of thy owne mouth thou art condemned 4. The fourth false accusation thou sayst we are so drunk with delusion and impudency that we will rather charge the Scripture with deceit then question our owne deceitfull hearts Reply In the presence of God we witnesse against thee we owne the Scripture to be the Scripture of truth and do not charge the Scripture with deceit but with the light of Christ that gave forth the Scriptures and discovereth the deceit of the heart with which light we judge the deceit of the heart and witnesse against thee in the light which makes known to us the Scripture in the truth as it is in Jesus Christ the light God is our witnesse 5. The fifth false accusation thou sayst we rite and speak the L●nguage of Scripture as if we were for it and is not which is rancke hypocrisy and done of purpose to deceive Reply We in the light speak as moved of the Lord 2 Pet. 1. 21. whose Language is according to Scripture and doing any thing in hypocrisy we deny as to deceive any the Lord is our witnesse who will rebuke the lying spirit and stop thy lying mouth 6. The sixth false accusation thou sayst we boast that we are as perfect as Christ that dyed at Jerusalem Reply Thy charge is false boasting we deny or any perfection that is of self our righteousnesse without Christ is as a filthy ragg and a menstruous cloth Christ our righteousnesse who is the true light that lighteth every one that comes into the world Jo. 1. 9. we witnesse him the same Christ as was in that body that suffered at Jerusalem and every one of the Children of light in the measure of growth in him the same minde is in them that was in Christ Jesus Phil. 2. 5. who is the brightnesse of the fathers glory Heb. 1. 3. 7. The seventh false accusation thou sayst we say that he that trusts in Christ that dyed at Jerusalem for Salvation shall be deceived Reply This charge is false as the other in the presence of God we witnesse against thee no other Christ we bear testimony of to be the salvation of lost man and woman but that Christ according to Scripture testimony who was born of the virgin and bore a good confession before Pilate and suffered at Jerusalem and rose again the third day and ascended into Heaven and sitteth at the right hand of God and this Christ we witnesse the true light who lighteth every one that comes into the world and saith I stand at the door and knock who opens I will come into him and sup with him and he with me Rev. 3. 20. and we witnesse him faithfull and as many as receives him to them he gives power to become the Sons of God and this is the condemnation of all because they beleeve not in him Jo. 1. 12. 8. The eight false accusation thou sayst we reproach Christs institutions and holy ordinances with the odium of mens tradiditions outward observations inconsistent with Gods Kingdome and compares them to Nebuchadnezzars great Idol c. Reply Thy Charge is false Christs institutions and holy ordinances we owne in the dispensation of time they were to be continued and what is now in this dispensation of time known in the administration of his spirit we owne but who upholds any Idolatry in observing any thing by tradition and not guided by the Spirit of Christ and so walke contrary to the perfect Law of God in the Conscience and though their words be never so glorious in outward appearance in crying the Ordinances of Christ while they deny to be guided by Christ they are no Ordinances of Christ but an Image set up in the proud exalted nature which Nebuchad nezzar set up his Image in which with the power of God shall be throwne downe and thou with the rest of the Idol worshipers shall be broken to peices and lyes shall not save thee for the Lord will exalt his name and his Children that observe his holy ordinances shall reigne in his his spirituall power that preserves them therein to observe the moveings of his spirit which doth lead to worship the father in spirit and truth according to testimony of Scripture Joh. 4. 23 24. And when thou John Timson hast presented thy false accusations and lyes to the Reader in the preface of thy Booke that they might receive the falsehoods and lyes that are written therein and these lyes and slanders which are here laid before thee and witnessed against in the answer there to returned will sufficienly prove to thy face and be manifest to that of God in every ones Conscience that thou hast spoken unadvisedly with thy lips when thou sayst thou lies not and all these lies found in thy mouth given forth publiquely for all to read and thou declares to the Reader that the Lord knows what diligence and tendernesse of bowels thou hast had to prepare it for them c. Reply Blush for shame O vain man to appeale to the Lords knowledge of thy d●l●gence and tendernesse of bowels to prepare so many lyes and falshoods for people to read thou shalt certainly know that the Lord takes notice of thee and he wil lay thee open and make thee manifest and lyes shall not cover thee nor be thy refuge Isa 28. 17. when our God will clear his truth and thy tongue and all others that rise up against him shall fall in judgement the day shall declare it Further thou goes on saying as for those persons that have answered me who have charged me with bringing forth many lyes and slanders and have made a noise thereof as if I were some carnall lying wretch that matters not what I write Reply To that of God in every ones conscience I appeale that lyes proceed from a Carnall wretched heart and the Lord is making thee manifest who would make lyes thy refuge which with the light thou art seen and thy lyes turned upon thee that in the light thou mayst be read what thou art and in the light our Books
are known and no such thing is in our Books as thou falsely charges us with and would make people believe is written therein in giving the sence of our words in thy dark mind and for the Simples sake an answer is returned to clear the truth of God in what he hath given out by his spirit both in word and writing and whether thou wilt receive it yea or nay thou shalt know and all others that Christ is the authority of the Scripture and when he spoke them forth he spake as one having authority and not as a Scribe who in his light walk cannot be perswaded to turn from him by any lyes and reproaches thou can cast upon them who sayst we are wholly turned from the truth which against thee witnesse it is not so let God be judge and in his day make manifest what we are in whose will we rest as moved of him to witnesse against the falshoods thou hast further charged upon us in what followeth Thou hast not done justly nor honestly in that thou hast not Printed the questions as given forth by thee and answers as returned by us and in an answer to what is of thee required to prove the charge thou charges us withall in thy reply to the answer to the first Question and the false accusations lyes and slanders is not proved in all thou hast writ The one baptisme we owne Eph. 4. 5. and the watch in the Church we owne in the spirit of life which in order doth keepe in obedience to the pure God who is the God of order and not of confusion but keeps his Children in himself purely to live according to what is pro●est Further thou goes on and queries what proofe would we have is it not our owne prophane language both in papers and conference it is no ne●es to hear most of their way dispute against water Baptism the Lords Supper a settled fixed Ministry over particular Churches and queries further what Quakers administer water baptisme the Lords Supper and constantly watches over a particular flock or else for shame thou sayst we must own the charge and confesse our sin in telling the world these are thy lying slanders Reply Prophane Language we deny and shadowes and figures we witnesse done away the substance being come water baptism was in its time a figure of the substance as John witnesses to whom that dispensation was committed Mat. 3. 11. I indeed baptize with water unto Repentance but he that comes after me is mightier then I whose sh●●es I am not worthy to bear he shall baptize you with the Holy ghost and with fire And Johns baptisme we deny to be in force he did decrease and Christ must increase whose baptisme we own according as is recorded in the Scripture of truth and since he ascended there is no Scripture doth witnesse his sending any to baptize with water Paul who was sent after he ascended what he did in the liberty given him his liberty he knew when he circumscised Timothy and baptized Crispus and Gaius and the household of St●phanus besides I know not th●t I baptized any other saith Paul for Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the Gospel not with wisedome of words least the crosse of Christ should be of none effect 1 Cor. 1. 16 17. And John who bare record of the word of the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ Rev. 14. 6. saith I saw an Angel in the midst of Heaven having the everlasting Gospel to preach to them that dwell in the earth and to every Nation and Kindred tongue and People John did not say he did fly through the midst of heaven preaching the everlasting Gospel and baptizing with water we know John faithfull in his testimony of Jesus Christ who is now revealed and the Angell is come and the Gospel preached and the shadowes done away And Bread and Wine were the Supper of the Lord in the dispensation of time a figure of his death which were fulfilled when he had suffered and rose again and now he is known to stand at the door and knock if any man heare my voice and open the door I will come in and Sup with him and he with me saith Christ Rev. 3. 20. And we being many are one bread and one body c. 1 Cor. 10. 17. and knows the wine renewed in our fathers Kingdome Christ the substance we now witnesse shadows and figures done away he that can receive it let him And the Churches set up by the will of man we deny and the fixed ministry set up over them by the will of man that watch for the fleece beare rule by their means and seeks their gain from their quarter these we deny Jer. 5. 31. Isa 56. 11. And those in scorn called Quakers doth watch over the flock of God every one as the Lord them calls and not for filthy lucre as the Priests that bear rule by their means do neither by constraint but of a ready minde 1 Pet. 5. 2. in obedience to the spirit of the Lord as he them moves and thy slanders thou hast not yet proved our conscience doth witnesse it that what thou hast accused us with is a lye and not the truth And thou further sayes that Will. Deusberry in a lying paper as thou calls it which is entituled A true prophecy of the mighty day of the Lord already risen in the North of England c. in which paper he makes it his worke to slander the Ordinances of Gospel worship under the notion of outward observations which Christs Kingdome comes not in Luke 17. 20. and thus he accounts of all the ordinances and institutions prescribed by Christ himselfe in the Apostolical Churches and accounts all the strict observing of outward formes of worship is but immitating the Saints practices in their Babilonish and heathenish wisedome all these outward forms is the outward Court without the temple Pa. 1. 2. Reply The lye will be found in thy owne mouth in calling that a lying paper a true prophecy it is of the mighty day of the Lord and for thy saying William Deusberry makes it his worke c. as before written thy charge is false and the truth is witnessed against vain man who in his dark minde seeks the Kingdome of God in observations where it comes not Luke 17. 20. neither shall men say loe here or loe there he called by name as before written doth witnesse they are not the Ordinances of Christ according as is declared of them they will be found and made manifest to the shame and confusion of their face who in their owne wisedome immitates the Saints practices in forme which they did practice in life and power in the dispensation of time they served their generation in the manifestation of the spirit according to the will of God And whereas thou sayst in the 4 Pa. it is more clear that he prophanely compares the holy ordinances and institutions of the
Lord to that great Image set up by Nebuchadnezzars proud nature spoken of by Daniel and that that Image was but a tipe and figure of this which now shines gloriously in forms and observations And thou sayst that in his speaking to the Anabaptists and Independents he tells them they have set up a finer Image in the Gospell ordinances as they call them and what other ordinances thou sayst doth these or you set up but what vvas practised in the Apostolical Churches thus you may see hovv this Impostor doth reproach the holy things of God Reply Blush for shame vvho sayst William Dewsberry compares the holy ordinances and institutions of our Lord to that great Image c. Holy Ordinances and Institutions of the Lord is not there exprest by him where thou sayst he them so compares he vvitnesses against the Image you have set up in your minds of the truth as you conceive vvhere you are in confusion that doth you divide into forms and observations as before written to looke for the Kingdome of God to come and though you call them the Ordinances of Christ you denying Christ the light you to guide in the daily crosse you are in the same nature wherein Nebuchadnazzar cast the Lords servants into the fiery furnace because they witnessed against his Image so do you who walke in your imaginations and deny Christ the light cause the servants of the Lord that walks in the life and cannot bow to your Image but witnesse against it to be haled out of your meeting places beaten stoned whipt stockt imprisoned which are the fruits of Nebuchadnezzars nature as is manifest this day amongst those against whom he witnesseth and who is the Impostor and reproaches the holy things of God the fruit makes manifest he that hath an eye to see let him see And further thou sayst that he in the height of his insolent rashnesse and madnesse saith thus the word of the Lord came unto me saying I will gather my people out of all forms and observations and out of all Kindreds Tongues and Nations and I will power out my spirit upon them And this thou sayst he writes in a different Character as if it were all Scripture by this you may see it proved what I have accused them with in denying the Ordinances and Administrations of the Gospel Churches true and yet this impudent lyar tells me it s a lying slander they would render me a lyar for telling them the truth but it seems they can rather and with more ease deny the accusation then prove themselves Saints and stand to it thus when they are pincht they will say and un say and any thing to evade Rashnesse and madnesse is thy owne in speaking evill of that thou knowest not the day will declare the Lord will gather his people together according as is declared Rev. 5. 9. And the lye and false accusation will still rest on thee for charging W. D. as before written and the impudent lyar he will not be found when the Lord will seperate between the precious and the vile then shall it be known who walke in outward forms and deny Christ the light and those that live in the light life and power of Christ them to lead in the daily crosse which keeps them in a pure life and holy conversation and thy false accusations doth not us pinch neither doe we any thing to evade but witnesse the truth against thy false accusations and in patience doe finish our testimony in sufferings and all with us that in the light walk are in the ordinances of the Gospel Church and witnesse the everlasting Gospel where all types shadows and figures are done away which thou so much cryes up and the Lord will throw thee and all downe and a day of tribulation shall come upon thee and thou shalt not escape except thou repent And whereas thou reviles us for saying that the spirit is the only rule of faith and life Joh. 16. 13. which thou sayst that promise was made directly to the twelve Reply Who art thou that limits the holy one the promise of his spirit is to all who waite on him in the manifestation of his spirit according to the Testimony of Scripture 1 Cor. 12. 7 8 9. the manifestation of his Spirit is given to every one to profit withall for to one is given by the spirit the word of wisedom to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit to another faith by the same spirit to another the gifts of healing by the same spirit c. And for thy unsavory words which in reproach calls us proud worms that vilifie and diminish from the Scripture c. Reply Pride is thy owne we doe not vilifie nor diminish the Scriptures we witnesse them a true testimony of Christ the life and who in his light walk knowes the truth of the Scriptures as it is in Jesus Eph. 4. 20 21. And whereas thou sayst in confession to what was declared to thee that Abel Enoch and Noah had saith before the Scriptures was written to which thou quotes Heb. 1. 1. God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times p ast unto the fathers by the Prophets hath in these last dayes spoken to us by his son and thou sayst before there was any thing commit to writeing the Lord did more visibly reveale his will by voice vision Angels c. But since he hath committed his whole will unto writeing by the Prophets and Apostles these former manners are ceased and thou sayst to look for the same discoveries still by voice vision or inspiration is madnesse we run into Reply Thou vain man who dare to say the Lord hath ceased makeing himselfe known to his people by voice vision or inspiration holy men of God did speak and doth speak as inspired by the spirit of God and mooved by the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 1. 21. An● the Lord hath promised in the latter daies I will power out my spirit upon all flesh Joel 2. 28 29. Acts 2. 17 18. Jer. 31. 33 34. Heb. 8. 9 10 11. Isa 54. 13. All the Children of the Lord who are led by his spirit doth witnesse these Scriptures fulfilled and knoweth the Lord is fatithfull according to his promise who will recompence into thy bosome thy just reward for speaking evill of his truth and whiles thou denys the manifestation of his spirit which the Lord manifests to his people as is recorded in the Scripture of truth thy pride and confusion thou hast made manifest and neither knows Moses ministry nor the Apostles which thou in a buisy minde speaks of in thy dark understanding which leads thee to fill thy Book with false accusations as in thy 10th Pa where thou sayst we doe not make any clear difference between the outward declaration and the word of faith Reply For the Simples sake as we have declared the truth we doe declare it which is witnessed with all the Children of light
not any can be saved by what they doe in their own wills all that is done in that nature is abomination to God as is plain in the Answer to what thou hast writ in the 70 Page It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that shewes mercy Rom. 9. 16. which he makes manifest in the riches of his grace in Christ the light who leads all that obey him in the strait way of self-deniall and the daily crosse in obedience to the will of God which is our sanctification And he that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are one Heb. 2. 4. 1 Thess 4. 31. He that can receive it let him For the truths sake that the simple be not turned out of the way by the false accusations reproaches and aspersions thou hast cast upon it what is before written in Answer to thee the truth doth clear and the Answer to thy ten Questions which thou charges to be deceitfull that they may witnesse for themselves against what thou hast cast upon them that all that desire to know the truth may them read The Questions and Answers are as followeth 1 Qu. Whether the writings of the Scriptures are a declaration of the Holy will and mind of God that necessarily oblige the servants of God that professe them to believe and observe whatever is revealed therein to be believed and done and whether the Scripture alone be a perfect Rule of faith and life unto all of years amongst us yea or nay Ans The Scriptures is a true declaration of the things believed amongst the Saints and a true testimony of Jesus Christ but not any doth them know neither can believe what is written therein by the outward declaration and testimony of Scripture but by the word of Faith which is in the heart and in the mouth which is the word of Faith which we Preach Rom. 10. 7 8. 2 Qu. Whether any other Revelations and Observations not to be found in the Scripture be binding to the consciences of those persons that have the benefit of the Scripture or whether such revelations or dictates within a mans heart and soul be as binding to the conscience and to be urged to a mans self or others as the Scriptures are Ans The revelations of Jesus Christ is according to Scripture which Revelations binds up the Testimony and seals the Law in the hearts of his Disciples and what dictates is in the conscience or heart of man contrary to the Law and Testimony is not to be regarded but disowned and judged with the light which comes from Christ the Saints life who guides them in a pure life and holy conversation according to Scripture Isa 8. 20. 3 Qu. Whether any thing besides the Scripture is constituted of the blessed God to reveal Christ as Redeemer and Saviour to the spirit of miserable lost man to bring man unto happinesse or whether corrupt man without the knowledge of Scripture may ordinarily attain unto salvation yea or nay Ans No man can come to the Son any other way but whom the Father draweth by the power of his unlimited Spirit and never any shall know the Father but he to whom the Son reveals him and he that thinks to attain the way to eternall life by reading the letter of the Scripture and regards not the light that comes from Christ that witnesseth for God in the secret of the heart and conscience he deceives himself for the mystery of eternall life is sealed up in the sealed Book from all the Sons and Daughters of men and none shall ever know it by the outward testimony of Scripture but by the inspiration of the Spirit of Jesus Christ the Lyon of the Tribe of Judah who is found worthy to open the seals of the Book and is the way the truth and the life to all that in his light wait his power them to guide in faithfull obedience to the righteous and perfect Law of God written in the heart for the exercise of the conscience which keeps them void of offence towards God and towards men according to testimony of Scripture Acts 24. 16. 23. 1. 4 Qu. Whether that light of conscience which is more or lesse in all since the fall be the remains or some reliques left of the first Adam in reference to the Covenant of works or whether common to all from the redemption of the second Adam as flowing from the Covenant of grace or how else I desire you would clearly expresse your thoughts in this Ans Man in the fallen estate hath not any light remains in him to guide him to doe any thing well pleasing to God as he stands in the state of corrupt nature for all his righteousnesse is as filthy rags and as a menstruous cloth the light that convinceth man and woman of the evill of their hearts and discovers the filthinesse of all their own righteousnesse is the light that comes from Christ the true light that lighteth every man that comes into the world John 1. 9. And this light is not common to man by nature it is the great gift of God his grace that hath appeared and teacheth all that are guided by it to deny all ungodlinesse and worldly lusts and to live godily and soberly in this present evill world and all that walk contrary to the light this is their condemnation the light John 3. 19. 5 Qu. Whether the end of God in giving and continuing this kind of light to all men in the world was not to be a restraint and curb to the exorbitant lusts of so corrupt a creature as man and so made subservant to God in the Government of the world in order to the peace and continuance of the same and to leave all without excuse Or what besides this the end of God was that this kind of light should be minded and improved according to the power of man by what he is from creation or universall grace or redemption in order to eternall happinesse and the not heeding this light in all men shall be the only condemnation of the world Or whether this light be the Gospel or Christ or his Spirit or whether it be a light either equall with or inferiour to or of a different kind with the Scriptures Ans The light which comes from Christ is given of God to guide the creature out of its own strength and power to Christ the mighty power and wisedome of God the creature to guide with moderation in the use of all creatures and to order and govern the creation to the praise and glory of God And this light is of the pure nature of God and leads to Christ the everlasting Gospel And this is the condemnation of the world that hates the light which comes from Christ because they believe not in him John 3. 18. 6. Qu. Whether the light of Conscience the light of Scripture the light of providence the light of grace ought not to be prest upon all
to reforme them and draw them up to a higher pitch of Christian obedience according to the written word of the Lord. Ans Thou with all who are in the light is seen to be in thy wisedome querying after many lights but as is formerly written in answer to thy 4. Quest the●e is but one true light Christ who lighteth every one that comes into the world and all his ministers turnes the mindes of people from darknesse to Christ the true light in it to waite on him for his power to destroy the power of Satan and to lead in the straite narrow way of self denyal and the daily Crosse which is the way into the Kingdome of God who ever will be my Disciple saith Christ he must deny himself and take up his Crosse daily and follow me Luke 19. 23. 7. Qu. Whether a sinner condemned by the Law is made just before God unto eternall life by an inherent power within or worke of Sanctification or whether by the satisfaction and suffering of Christ in mans nature and behalfe rested on by faith Ans The Creature whose Conscience is awakened by the light the righteous Law of God in the heart which shews it its sinfull state and stands condemned before the Throne of God for disobeying the light shall never be justified by any self righteousnesse for it is uncleannesse in the sight of God for justification is through faith in the Lord Jesus but this faith which layes hold on Christ for justification is not attained by any power the creature hath of its self neither can any know it who receive honor one of another Joh. 5. 44. How can ye beleeve who receive honor one of another and seek not the honor that comes from God onely faith is the gift of God given to the Children of light who waits in the light on the Lord in the way of his judgements Isa 26. 8. till judgement be brought forth into victory that the creature be brought into true poverty of spirit for ever to perish without free redemption in the Lord Jesus which the father in his appointed time reveales the son to the soule that stands condemned before him and by the arme of his mighty power creates it to a lively hope and he that hath this hope in him purifieth himself even as he is pure so whom he justifieth he sanctifieth and he that saith he is justified and liveth in sin deceiveth himself for faith purifieth the heart and purgeth the Conscience from dead works to serve the liveing God which is witnessed in the Children of light according to testimony of Scripture Heb. 9. 14. 8. Qu. Whether the person or essence of Christ or his spirit dwell in any upon earth or whether by his gifts and graces onely or whether all those that have Christ in them must forsake all outward teaching of men and whether the Scripture be but a dead letter and of no use otherwaies then Christ within doth witnesse unto them Ans He that knows not Christ to be in him is a reprobate for he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and he that is guided by the spirit of Christ needs not any teaching of man for you shall not neede to teach one another for all my Children shall be taught of me saith the Lord God and the Scripture is but a killing letter but of use in its place d testimony of Christ but not any knows Christ by it for Christ is known by the light of his spirit which gave forth the Scriptures and all that are guided by his spirit knows the Scripture in the truth as it is in Jesus ●ph 4. 21. 9. Qu. Whether the conversion that was wrought upon the souls of many under the ordinary outward ministry of the word in our publique assembles turning men from darknesse to light from prophanesse to true Godlinesse be true unto salvation and whether those that have been thus converted were in the state of salvation before they joyned themselves unto your society or whether can none be converted and saved that never came under nor gave their assent to the dispensation of your way and how you will justifye yours to be in the true and good old way that all have and shall be saved in you may do well to make it out by some evident demonstration Ans Who can witnesse a true conversion by the power of the spirit of God in turning their mindes from darknesse to light that comes from Christ and in his light waite to receive the sentence of death in themselves to destroy all self confidence in any thing below Christ and in the state of death to wait till that they heare the voice of the Son of God and by his power was raised up to a liveing hope in Christ to walk who throw his blood do witnesse their garments washed and made white to reigne Kings and Preists upon the earth for ever to worship the father in spirit and truth and who ever can witnesse this conversion whether it were wrought when they frequented your publique assemblies or absented from them this conversion we owne who it can witnesse and of our way they are and will to us come and all shall know the truth we witnesse is the good old way that all souls that came to God walked in Christ the way the truth and the life the ancient of daies which was before time but manifest in time in all the Children of light who doth them lead in the narrow way of self denial and the daily Cross with him to enter thorow the strait gate into the holy City new Jerusalem where the soule hath union which the father of light and beholds his face and his name is written in their foreheads and there is no night there neither need of Candle nor light of the Sun for the Lord God giveth them light and they shall reigne for ever and ever Rev. 22. 5. 10. Whether any of your way attaine unto perfection in this life that they can truly say that they do all that God commands without failing either in matter or in manner of obedience no not in thought word and deed and whether the persons of any stand just before God that are not thus perfect Ans All that are in the way we are in which is Christ the way to the Father in whom all in their measure are pressing on to the fulness of stature in Christ the perfect man and who in him is grown to the fulnesse of stature in his power doth stand which doth them guide that in their mouthes is found no guile for they are without fault before the Throne of God Rev. 14. 5. FINIS
the word of faith is in the heart and in the mouth and who are guided by it their hearts are kept pure faith purifyes the heart Act. 15. 9. whether they have the outward declaration yea or nay and they that have the outward declaration and though they read it if they minde not the word which is life and light which gave forth the Scripture they do not live according to the Scripture for they are without faith who are not guided by the word faith comes not by reading the outward declaration faith is the gift of God Eph. 2. 8 given to his Children who diligently hearken to his word which is life and the life is the light of men And for thy chargeing us with contradictions confused nonsence bitter censures and shuffles and how notorious false it is wherein we say that not any doth know the Scriptures by the outward declaration Reply To the light of Christ in all Consciences we appeale let the righteous judge a naturall man knows not the things that are of God though he read the outward declaration for they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 2. 14. and none is found worthy to open the seales of the Book but the Lyon of the Tribe of Juda c. Rev. 5. 3. 5. and then thou denys Gods speaking to his people by voice vision or inspiration and sayest they run into madnesse that expect any such thing here thou art found in the Contradictions confused nonsence bitter censures and shuffles and notorious falshoods which thou hast falsely charged us withall and it s turned upon thy owne head and proved out of thy owne mouth that while thou art makeing a shew in words to maintain the Scripture authority thou denyes both the dispensation of the spirit of God in Christ the light and the Scriptures which beare testimony of him as is manifest in the reply to what thou hast writ in the 6. and 8. Pa. And whereas thou in the 11 Pa. calls us deceivers and saith to those thou calls thy friends we have them abused by the deceite and cheats of our owne hearts c. Reply Deceite and cheats thou art proved to be in and what thou endeavors to doe in the deceit of thy heart against the truth thou wilt see thy hope faile thee and not a blessing but a curse upon thy endeavors which to thy face is proved in what is before written to be contrary to the dispensation of the spirit and Scripture for which the terror of the Lord shall take hold on thee for thy uttering words without knowledge and speaking evill of the things thou knowest not as in the 12. Pa. And whereas thou appeals to them thou calls thy friends how their hearts have been heated and warmed by the power of the word and Sacraments c. Which is now in contempt and reproach by those that seduce you Which thou charges upon us and sayest thou hast clearly discovered our slanders shifts and shuffles and our reproaching the Ordinances and Ins●tutions of our Lord as Heathenish by compareing them to that great Image of that heathen King Dan. 3. 3. and how we deny the Scripture to be a perfect rule of knowing God beleeving in him and liveing unto him and reproach thee to be a lying slander for chargeing us with that which is an apparent truth as thou sayst thou hast proved by our lying papers and that we have reproacht they falsely and the lyes are returned upon our owne heads whilest thou sayst we witnesse our selves perfect and without sin and have entred the new Jerusalem into which none shall enter that makes a lye c. Reply Them thou calls thy friends who are in the light with all the Children of light doe witnesse that their hearts were never warmed in Sacraments no such words is found in Scripture and thou that art pleading for the authority of Scripture is with the light of Christ in all his Saints denyed and thy Sacraments which is not found in Scripture and in the light thou art clearly seen the slanders shifts and shuffles is thy owne as is manifest in the answer to the same reproach and accusations in the 2. and 3. Page of thy Book and what we witnesse is according to Scripture which we owne and in many things thou hast writ as before is manifest by thy owne words the Scripture thou denyes so on whose head the falshood remains to the Children of light is made manifest and the day will further declare it wherein Christ our King shall be exalted over all in whom our perfection and cleansing from sin is and lead us into new Jerusalem into which nothing enters that works abomination or makes a lye but who enter therein are led by the spirit of Christ in whose mouth is found no guile he that hath an ear to heare let him heare And whereas thou sayst to some of them thou calls thy friends some of you have heard W. Dewsberry say of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ hat died at Jerusalem this is witnessed by one of credit and fidelity amongst your selves I forbear his name In Dewesberry new birth he thus witnesseth of himself Reply Thy spirit in the light is seen who hath published what thou hath received from a namelesse Author and thy acusation is false which thou hast published to the world there were never any heard W. Dewesberry say of himself that he was as perfect as that Christ that died at Jerusalem and that thou calls his new birth will be a witnesse against thee There is no such word exprest by him as thou sayest this namelesse Author hath related of him In the presence of God He called W. Dewesberry doth witnesse that self is imperfect and selfe righteousnesse as a filthy ragg and a menstruous cloth c. Isa 64. 6. And he doth witnesse Christ Jesus the true light which lighteth everyone that comes into the world Joh. 1. 9. which discovers the imperfection and filthynesse of self with all its righteousnesse and his perfection is in Christ the light which he doth witnesse the same Christ and no other but he which suffered at Jerusalem who is the brightnesse of his fathers glory c. Heb. 1. 3. 13. 8. which he thou falsely accuses as before written which all the Children of light doth witnesse the Righteousnesse of God in Christ the light 2 Cor. 5. 21. which for the Simples sake the truth is witnessed forth in the presence of God which the Lord will clear from the lyes and slanders cast upon it and he shall be known what he is whom you call a proud polluted worme that dare exalt himself to a perfection equall with God which are thy owne words and what thou hast gathered up from other who falsely accuse as thou dost which words were not spoken by him thou cals a proud polluted worme who can bear thy revileings but for the truths sake that the Simple do not stumble at the way of truth doth
obedience conjoyned with them also Ans To thy 2. and 3. Question in the old Covenant the Law was written in Tables of stone which Law haveing a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect Heb. 10. 1. And when he came who saith Lo I come to do thy will O God he taketh away the first that he may establish the second ver 9. by which will we are sanctified thorow the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all ver 10. and by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified whereof the holy Ghost is a witnesse to us as he said before this is the covenant that I will make with them saith the Lord I will put my Lawes in their hearts and in their minds will I write them ver 14 15 16. Jer. 31. 33. 4 Qu. Whether the Law in the heart without the use of Scriptures make any Evangelical discoveries of the person natures and Offices of Christ as he is Redeemer of lost man Ans Thy feigned words we wave the truth we witnesse the Law in the heart witnessed in the New Covenant Christ is known to be King of Kings and Lord of Lords 1 Tim. 6. 15. And the faithfull High Priest Heb. 2. 17. 3. 1. 4. 15. 5. 6 7. 26. 10. 2● who hath made us Kings and Priests to God and his Father c. Rev. 1. 6. 5 Qu. Whether all shall be saved that have the Law of God written in their hearts by virtue of the New Covenant or any be saved that live to years of discretion that know not Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him in order to his coming to the world to save sinners Ans All are saved who are guided by the righteous Law of the Spirit of life in Christ which sets them free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8. 2. And what years soever any live unto they have no discretion to know Christ as the Scriptures testifie of him but they who in his light waits upon him to be guided by him for who hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his Rom 8. 9. And for the rest of thy aspersions and revilings thou hast writ calling us deceivers that fear the Authority of man or else we would deny Christ himself Reply Christ we do not deny but him we own who respects no mans person Rom. 2. 11. and in him no fear of man is and we in him Reigns over thee and all the authority of the power of darknesse that stands in opposition to Christ the Son of God to whom every knee must bow Phil. 2. 10. the day shall declare it And in what thou hast replied to the Answer to the fourth Question which thou charges to be untrue to say That man in the fall as he stands in the state of corrupt nature hath not therein any light without Christ to doe any thing acceptable to God c. Which thou goes about to prove the contrary and saith there is the light and use of reason and understanding faculties though corrupted And further thou sayes This light of corrupt reason as before exprest presents to the conscience good and evill c. Reply In the light thou art seen to be in the corrupt Fountain from whence all these corrupt words hath come which thou hast Printed in thy Book and thy words are not true Corrupt reason of man doth not present to the conscience things good and evill a corrupt Tree cannot bring forth good fruit Mat. 7 18. There is nothing makes manifest darknesse but light Ephes 5. 15. which all men in the Fall is gone from out of the way and there is none that doth good no not one Rom. 3. 9 10 11 c. And the naturall man receives not the things that are of God nor can he know them because they are spiritually discerned 1 Cor. 12. 14. And all the righteousnesse of man in this state is as a filthy rag and a menstruous cloath Isa 64. 6. And this is the state of man in corrupt nature And the light that convinces man of this dark and corrupt estate he is in is the light of Christ that convinces the World of sin righteousnesse and judgement John 16. 8. So we that were sometimes darknesse are now light in the Lord Ephes 5. 8. And who walk in the light there is no occasion of stumbling 1 John 2. 10. And whereas thou sayest Thou knowes we will lye as thou hast made it manifest Reply It is not so thou hath not made yet manifest any lye that we have spoken by any truth thou hath declared And thou goes on as in thy 89 Page thou sayes The rational soul of man corrupted is called the candle of the Lord which we invent to be Christ which is false we deny that the corrupt soul of man is the candle of the Lord or Christ And further thou sayes It was thy intended work to goe thorow all the Answers to the ten Questions but for want of thy paper which thou sa●es we detained from thee contrary to our Promise In which thou says not true for the promise was to thee thou should have a coppy of thy paper which thou sent to us when it was ready for thee which was not then written neither was any time set down of thy haveing it and as way was made a coppy according to our promise came to thy hands And in the close of thy Book thou goes on as thou begun saying we deny Scriptures as to the end they were intended and reproach the Ordinances of the Lord Jesus which the Scriptures teach under the notion of heathenish worships c. which is answered to in the truth declared a witnesse to stand against all the reproaches that thou hast cast upon the truth of the liveing God and the God thou art pleading for cannot crown thee with honour in the day wherein the liveing God will exalt his son and clear the innocency of his people then shall the God whose worship thou art defending be confounded and confusion and shame shall stop thy mouth and if this come not to passe as declared then say the Lord hath not spoken by me And in that thou calls thy Post-script in the end of thy Book the things therein thou falsely accuses us with and calls them the Rocks which we are to manifest how we shall escape which is clearly made manifest in what is written in answer to thy Book Only this where thou sayes we make no difference between the visible professing Church and the Pagan world all may be saved alike if they will c. Reply They that make a visible Profession of Christ and deny to walk in the light of his Spirit are of the world that lies in wickednesse 1 John 5. 19. Mat. 7. 21. as well as them thou calls the Pagan world and