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A77956	Something in answer to a book called Choice experiences, given forth by one J. Turner. Also the copy of a letter sent to the assembly of those that are called anabaptists in Newcastle. Wherein the simple minded ones may see the deceit of those people, who take up the practises of others, by imitation and tradition from the Scriptures, not having the same commands themselves, as the saints alwayes had, from the spirit of the Lord. And that Christ in the saints, which is their hope of glory, is the same Christ that was crucified by the Jews, who is the lambe slaine from the foundation of the world. Also the difference between the saints who waite on the Lord for the moving if his spirit to be acted, when, and as he please; and formalists of these dayes, who in their owne wills and time practice their imitations of duties and ordinances, which the Lord abhorres. By a servant of the Lord, named of the world Edward Burrough.	Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662.	1654 (1654)	Wing B6025; Thomason E816_2; ESTC R207361	11,095	15

she was corrupted and which hindered her to owne them and practice them and which now makes her declare against them which Principle is the spirit of the false Prophet which now rules which I know will never owne nor pract●ce these things She also saith She did oppose those Principles which led to loosenesse either in conversation or in slighting the Churches or Ordinances of Christ though she beleeves such Principles naturally follow the others I answer She did and doth oppose the Principle of God which would have led her out of pride and ●ust into an holy conversa●ion and out of false Churches into ●●e ●hurch which is in God And I charge her here that she beleeves lyes and utters what she beleeves which is bl●●phemy who saith she beleeves that wicked Principles naturelly follow the three named by her And whereas she saith As to that Principle of wayting yet could never come up to it in practice in private duties she could not stay so long from duty till she had such a power but did frequently goe to duty when she had it not I answer Here I doe beleeve her she speaks truth with her lying spirit she never yet could waite upon God to act for him but hath runne in her own will which is abomination to him which is no acting for God but for selfe and for the the Devill and here hath she shut her selfe out from the holy men of Gods practice who wayted upon him to be led by him by the power of his spirit and she shewes her selfe openly to all that she went to that which she calls duty in her own power and time and knew not the power of God nor his time to be acted in and all her duties as she calls them is no more but imagined and imitated from the letter without acted by the serpents strength and wisedome in her and she hath here plainely discovered she knowes not what wayting upon God is in truth and sincerity She saith She thought sometime she had had it and saith she thought she had had communion with God I answer Her thoughts I doe deny who calls truth deceit and she did as now she doth live in thoughts and conceivings by which she is beguiled that spirit which rules and speaks in her never had communion with God but is contrary to him nor never was acted in the truth of God but against him She saith She knew no Scripture-ground for the practice of weighting to be acted by the power of the spirit and led to duty I answer The saints ground of acting is not the outward letter but the spirit which gave forth the letter but the Scripture doth declare of such as wayted to be acted by the spirit and power of the Lord Dare any say the Saints Prayed or Prophesied without the movings of the spirit and power of the Lord here she hath sh●t her selfe among the Heathens who knowes not God nor what it is to be acted by his spirit and power She speaks of losing her peace and having little or no communion with God nor scarce any thing to speake to or for God I answer True peace in Christ she never knew for there is no peace to the wicked neither have any who denyes wayting upon God as she hath done any communion with God nor nothing to say to or for God but through deceit and in deceit is I. Turner That which brought her into trouble and let her see the confusion which she speaks of which she had lived in before but saw it not till then that witnesse I owne and it shall witnesse for the Lord and the Truth of what I say eternally though she have shine the ●●●●●sse yet it shall arise to her co●●●nati●● and her everlasting misery And whereas she saith Some laboured to perswade her it was a despensation of God and that the Saints after brought out of Egypt must be in the Wildernesse before they come to Caraan I answer I beare witnesse by the eternall spirit the truth of this particular as having witnessed the same condition and she which hath denied this to be of God hath openly shewed her selfe to be of the Devill denying the truth of Scripture She saith this did not at all satisfie her but she continued in a sad condition I answer She here hath shewed what spirit she is of of the viperons generation which fled the wrath which came upon her and could not abide the judgement and of the spirit of them which would have been backe in Egypt which murmured and therefore with them she entered not but is perished with them in the Wildernesse Whereas she saith She was never so troubled with temptations as at that time I answer Here she hath shewed her selfe to be the stony ground which when temptation came withered away She speaks of a particular remptation which was Questioning the being of God I answer That which was troubled wrought the temptations and not that which troubled and here she shews her ignorance which cannot discerne the ground of temptation but laies it upon God which is blasphemy for he tempts none to evill Whereas she saith this was the sad fruit of her straying from the pure wayes of truth I answer Here againe she shews her blindnesse who knows not that temptations are for good That which she calls straying from the pure wayes of truth it otherwise for the stronger man came to dispossesse the strong man and then began the war and happy had she been if she had patiently endured to the end but not abiding under the judgement but starting aside she is cast out and must not enter for the second beast whose deadly wound is healed is alive which makes war with the Lambe which exereiseth all the power of the first Beast and here I. Turner is under the dominion of the second Beast She speaks of blessing God that she strayed no further I answer She who hath denyed to waite unto Prayer and Prayses but prayse in her own strength and time her prayse is abomination to the Lord and she calls that straying from God which was leading unto God and so hath forsaken the right way and hath c●●● the way of God behinde her backe and re●●sted him who would have lead her out of darkenesse and out of confusion Whereas she speaks of God remembring her To which I answer he will remember her to plague her who hath brought dishonour to his great name and hath called his way the way of error and of deceit and his reall truth a shew or notion she hath chosen her own way the way of destruction Whereas she speaks being turued from owning these particulars she was restored to these joyes that once she had I answer She is returned with the Dog to the vomit and with the Sow to her wallowing in the 〈◊〉 and there 's her joy and she now joys in the earthly dust in formes and traditions and likenesses of things and knows not what it is

Something in Answer to a Book called CHOICE EXPERIENCES Given forth by one J. TVRNER Also the Copy of a Letter sent to the Assembly of those that are called Anabaptists in Newcastle Wherein the simple minded ones may see the deceit of those people who take up the practises of others by imitation and tradition from the Scriptures not having the same commands themselves as the Saints alwayes had from the spirit of the Lord. And that Christ in the Saints which is their hope of glory is the same Christ that was crucified by the Jews who is the Lambe slaine from the foundation of the World Also the difference between the Saints who waite on the Lord for the moving if his Spirit to he acted when and as he please And Formalists of these dayes who in their owne wills and time practice their imitations of Duties and Ordinances which the Lord abhorres By a Servant of the Lord named of the World Edward Burrough Printed in the Year of the worlds accompt 1654. I Have met with a Book called Choyce experiences given forth by one I Turner who by John Spilsbery in his Epistle is called a Daughter of Syon and her selfe declareth in the 109. pag. of her Booke of being brought out of Babylon into Syon but all along through her Booke her language is one and the same before her comming out of Babylon and in Syon as she saith her language is the language of Babylon wholly and she is yet a servant in bondage in Babylon unto the Mistresse of Witchcraft and never came to witnesse freedom in Syon for I know her voyce it s the language of her City where she now dwells which is in confusion in Babylon And whereas she declares of some particulars which she calls Deceits whereby she was deceived in the 109 pag. in that which she calls the fifth note of experience concerning notions and pretended spiritualities in which Satan transformes himselfe into an Angel of light and how the Lord was pleased to recover her out of deceit I answer It is plain to the spirituall man which discernes of truth and deceit that she is yet deceived and unrecovered out of deceit and here I charge her that she belves the Lord for he hath not recovered her out of deceit for she hath 〈◊〉 him in that work as is made appeare in her Book and she is now in notion and not in power and in pretended spiritualities and not really in the spirit and Satan is now transformed in her into an Angel of light by which she is deceived and whereas she talkes of her choyce experiences death yet raignes in her and is no whi● subdued I speake as in the presence of the Lord who am moved to lay open her deceit to the simple who doth blaspheme the God of Heaven in his Saints in calling truth error and calling that deceit which by the spirit of the Lord I owne to be truth and calls those corrupt principles which was owned by the servants of the Lord in former generations and which is owned now by them which witnesse the same spirit which spirit of Christ she makes appeare she knowes not who hath de●yed him and salvation by him within Whereas she speaks of Satan envying her happinesse and waits his opportunity to catch her as a Fish in the Water covering his hooke with a baite of Mystery and spiritually I answer She is yet in the power of Satan he hath already catched her with his covered hooke which is covered with a very faire outside a faire forme of truth a likenesse of it with the likenesse of a Church and of a Baptisme and of a Fellowship c. is she beguiled already and is unhappy through the opportunities which the Devil hath wayted over her for she is under the curse lying in the fall and enmity And whereas she speaks Of having of es●a●ed him in his former appearances as a Devill yet now transforme himselfe a an ●ngel of light I answer She hath not escaped him as a Devill and here she is a lyer for his appearance 〈◊〉 her in ly ng and in speaking evill of those things she know●s no● and he is transformed in her as an Angel of light but she 〈…〉 but lyes in darkenesse in the my fiery of in●●●ty 〈…〉 and the pretence of spirituality And she 〈◊〉 〈…〉 are so deceived are the fittest Agenes to prome●● 〈◊〉 K●●g●●m●● I answer Here it is made manifest she who 〈…〉 Devill doth much promote his Kingdome 〈…〉 hands of evill doers who through her 〈…〉 hearts against the truth Whereas she speaks O● 〈…〉 ●●●ing persons by corrupt principles which they would 〈…〉 at the thought of before they had such principles I answer ●●●is is her own condition she is drawn by Satan to follow 〈…〉 principles which if she did see she would tremble at 〈…〉 of them And she saith God was not onely pleased to 〈…〉 from such things but to discover the wa● by which person 〈◊〉 brought to such things I answer Here againe I charge her that she belies the Lord which is blasphemy for he hath not 〈◊〉 her from corrupt principles he would but she hath refi●●ed him and the discovery from God to her will be pl●gr●● and woe for death and darknesse raigne● which makes manifest themselves in her which is her discovery She speak 〈◊〉 avoyding those wayes and forewarning others to avoyd them likewise I answer She hath not avoyded the waves of darkenesse but hath chosen them and hath avoyded the way of truth as is made manifest which hath dented salvation by Christ within and as she hath avoyded the way of truth her selfe so she casts a stumbling-blocke in the way of the simple to a avoyd it likewise Whereas she speaks of discovering Satan under these vayles and saith by harkening to the voyce of the tempter she was deceived and beguiled by him in some perticular things I answer Satan is not yet discovered to her but lyes under his vayle in Flesh deceiving her and by her hearkening to the voyce of the tempter she is now deceived by him not in few things but in many I speake it as in the presence of the Lord which shall judge of her and me And she speaks of ever being humbled in the presence of God for it I answer When the dreadfull God shews his presence she cannot stand but shall be confounded who doth here speake to the dishonour of his name True humility she knowes not for the man of sin is exalted in her above all that is called God And whereas she speaks of beginning to be somewhat confused in her iudgement and she speaks of not being swallowed up with confusion I answer She is in confusion and hath never been out of it as to every single eye may appeare she is not somewhat in confusion but is rowled and swallowed up in it and it is long since it began in her Whereas she speaks of being weake in Principles I answer

to joy in God the substance as by her writings it is made manifest who hath denyed salvation by Christ within and hath denyed to waite upon God for the power of his spirit and calls them deceitfull Principles she hath chosen the way of death rather then the way of life and hath taken her selfe to follow shaddows and likenesses and neglected the substance which is Christ within the 〈◊〉 of ●lory her latter end is worse then her beginning and the P●●●● is ●●●filled upon her And she speaks in the 126. pag. of 〈◊〉 being d●servered under his vaile and in particular as to that ●f being saved by a Christ within and not by a Christ with ut and the Lord was pleased to shew her it was quite another thing differing from the Gospel and that it was attended with this evill consequence to overthrow the whole Gospel and to deny the Lord that bought them I answer I charge her here as in the presence of God with belying the Lord and with horrible blasphemy who saith That that which the saints and servants of God witnessed who Preached the Gospel and establi●●●ed it Christ within manifested is quite another thing differing from the Gospel and that it is attended to overthrow the wh●●● Gospel O horrible blasphemy and belying the Lord who saith that the Lord was pleased to shew her it did ever he shew any of his lyes all take notice of this wicked and horrible blasphemer the Lord rebuke that unclean spirit of Anti-Christ in her She goes on and saith then secondly as to that of wayting for a power to Pray and that here was no command but from within concerning both these the Lord was pleased to shew that it was not according to his minde but a meer invention of Satan and that it was attended with this evill consequence to slight Scriptures and commands of God and to expose the soule to Satans deceivings to walke by the imaginations of their own heart in stead of the motions of the spirit I answer The Saints wayted for the moving of the spirit which was power in them to help them to pray they knew not to Pray as they ought without it and this command and help they had not without them but within them And I again here charge her with belying the Lord and with notorious blasphemy who saith that that which the saints witnessed wayting for the power of the spirit to Pray is not according to the minde of the Lord but an invention of Satan and she is not ashamed to say the Lord shewed her and the same which they witnessed which spoake forth the Scripture and which walked in the commands of God tends to slight Scriptures and commands of God and to expose the soule to Satans deceivings this is blasphemy and error and corrupt principles and she which hath denyed wayting to be led by the motions of the spirit is led by the imaginations of her own heart and is under the power of Satans deceiving speaks contrary to what the Scripture speaks and so slights it and the commands of God she hath blasphemed the God of Heaven and accordingly will the Lord requite And thus have I for the simple ones sake declared the truth and every single eye may see who it is is led by corrupt principles and what I have written shall she eternally witnesse to be true and all her co-partners And I passe by the rest of her Book as not worth answering for it is nothing but a●ery imagination and confusion and death yet raignes in her and in her Book is spoken out by her and she knowes not the Baptisme of Saints nor Communion nor the true Church of Christ to that witnesse in her conscience doe I declare and when it shall arise it will eternally Witnesse me Whose Name in the Flesh is Edward Burrough The Copy of a Letter c. FRiends for so I call you I was moved of the Lord to come unto your Assembly to declare the truth from him coucerning you as by the eternall spirit was revealed to me and I doe acknowledge it it was a mercy from the Lord that I had that small liberty which I had to cleare my conscience amongst you and to discharge my duty in obedience to the Lord and to every ones conscience am I made manifest whether you will heare or you will forbeare truely friends there is something among you which I owne and which is owned of my Father but yet many things hath he against you and as I said I now againe say from the mouth of the Lord that your covering is too narrow to hide your shame and your bed too short to stretch your selves upon Now friends the Ordinances of Jesus Christ which you act in you say in obedience to him I doe not speake against but doth witnesse them in life and power neither doe I judge such amongst you who have extered in at the doore by the Principle of God to the Ordinances if any such but you I doe declare against and doth judge by the infallible spirit who have in your own wills thrust in your selves and acted by imagination and imitation from the Letter without and not having received the command from Christ into your selves such I judge to be in deceit deceived by the Serpent which deceives the simple by the likenesse of a thing and you that limit the Lord to any outward visible thing that without such can be no salvation you I judge againe to be in deceit and my judgement shall stand for nothing is avayleable that which God once commanded nor that which was not commanded but the new creature which is borne of the immortall seed contrary to the will of man Truely friends you are acting in darkenesse and there is no seperation in you betwixt the pretious and the vile betwixt the cleane and the uncleane for that which did convince you of false hirelings and of their deceitfull worship which is owned of my Father in you hath not b●●n ●beyed by you but your minds have been drawne forth from within to obey a thing without and herein have you been bewitched from the obedience of the truth within to obey the letter without as they wore which the Scripture speaks of and you are acted in another forms and likenesse then you were before and which some are acted in yet but by tho same spirit and you have a zeale I beare you record but it is not according to knowledge I declare against that spirit by which you are now acted as knowing it to be the spirit of Anti Christ and that which is owned by my Father in you is oppressed by you by your wisedome and ●●●sen which stands above and is head and rules amongst you which is for destruction and for the Lord to accomplish his wrath upon and happy were you if you knew the day of vengeance which is the acceptable yeare of the Lord but you are yet full and rich and thinke you have need of nothing and hath a name that you li●e but you are dead and empty and miserable your forme is corrupted and you se●k the living among the dead and you act in the forme but w●lkes at liberty in your own wills despising the dayly crosse of Christ which if you walked in would bring downe the high minde and high nature in you and through the Crosse that which is low in you would be exalted and the witnesse of your Ordinances would you have within which you are seeking in the letter without And now Friend to thee who was the Speaker when I was present among you thy Name I know not but by thy nature and spirit thy spirit is the same which they speake from which thou seems to d●●y as false spirits and by that spirit hast thou been deceived and now at workes by thee to deceive others and that spirit infallibly by the eternall Spirit doe I judge for the time is come that by the Saints the great Wh●re must be judged which hath wade all the men of the Earth drunke with the Wine of her Fornteat●●●● and which hath deceived the simple And whereas thou did 〈◊〉 what one thing I will deny as untruth which you had 〈◊〉 I answered then as now I doe I doe deny thy v●yee and 〈◊〉 for it is the voyce of the stranger and not of Christ and though you sweare by that spirit The Lord lives I say surely thou sweares falsely and the false Prophets which used their tongues and said The Lord saith it when the Lord had not spoken unto them speake the same words of the true Pr●phet but he that had the true spirit judged the false spirit and so it is now And therefore Friend out of love to thy soule I doo advise thee to be silent before the Lord and waite upon him te●● he manifest himselfe to speake in thee and by thee for Friend thy Ministery is in the will of man and thou ministers death unto dead minds and the Ministery which is to the Seed thou art ignorant of to that in thy conscience I speake which shall witnesse for me before the Lord who is appearing in his power to utter his thunders and all Flesh shall tremble at his presence and all Formes of Worship will he dash to pieces at his appearance And yours who is the purest Forme shall be broken to pieces that he may rule who is without forme and comelinesse Now Friends for the Seeds sake have I speaken and written to you and to that in your consciences have I cleared my conscience in the presence of the Lord which you shall Eternally witnesse whether you will heare or forbeare By a Servant of the Lord who is named of the World Edward Burrough FINIS