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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A70878	A true and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tenison and A. Pulton one of the masters in the Savoy Published by authority.; True and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tho. Tenison and A. Pulton one of the masters in the Savoy.	Pulton, A. (Andrew), 1654-1710.; Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. aut	1687 (1687)	Wing P4209A; ESTC R205100	12,420	26

thing he had propos'd the Dr. nothing at all provok'd thereto said He wonder'd any body would intrust their Children with him for said he if he tampers with those who are not his Schollars what would he do with such as were under his care To which A. P. reply'd He had engag'd his Promise for the one and not for the other On this occasion the Dr. said There was no Credit to be given to Papists being by there Principles breakers of there Words At which Mr. M. taking exceptions said He would remain no longer where such Scandalous propositions were vented upon which retiring out of the Room A. P. desir'd to know Upon what ground the Dr. laid so injurious a Charge upon Roman Catholicks The Dr. in place of excusing what Passion might have made him unwarily assert prov'd it against A. P. as follows You believe yours to be said he the only saving Church but you are bound to save all you can Therefore you are bound to break your Word given in your Paper of not tampering with your Schollars about Religion A. P. reply'd The same medium would prove as much against His Majesty as against A. P. which so he made out His Majesty believed His to be the only saving Church But His Majesty being Head of His People as much and more than A. P. of his School was bound to endeavour their Salvation as much or more then A. P. of his Schollars Therefore His Majesty was bound to break His Royal Word given to His People of not forcing their Consciences 23. The Dr. was offended at A. P.'s Retortion and call'd out for Witnesses saying He had said no such thing And the standers by disturb'd thereupon said A. P. was come to entrap the Dr. and inform against him A. P. return'd That he had no such design and believ'd that the Dr. had likewise no such reflection when he spoke but added withall That he had done very ill to utter a Proposition whence flowed naturally and unavoidably such bad inferences Then he desir'd the Dr. To name the Schollar that should prove A. P. either to have open'd his mouth in School-time of any controverted point or tamperd with him out of School adding That the Dr. was much mistaken in the Papists Principles who unanimously taught with St. Paul That evil was not to be done that good might come of it And A. P. said He ought not to tell a lye though the Conversion of the World depended upon it After which he answered directly to the Dr. 's false Medium viz. That no one was bound to do all the good precisely possible if so the Dr. might be oblig'd to give all he had to the Poor and go to Preach the Faith to the Indians and that it was a very good action to teach Learning Gratis with the fear of God although one medled not with Religion 24. A. P. Vnwilling to stay where Disputes decline to Calumniating complain'd how he Had had no satisfactory Answer to any thing that was propos'd And therefore desir'd the favour that the Dr. would give a second Meeting with an Amanuensis and Witness in some fair Library To which the Dr. reply'd That he was a man of much business and had other Affairs in hand But if A. P. for his private satisfaction would meet him in his own Library he was content 25. The crowd being great and the Room full of noise and disorder A.P. desiring again a second meeting as above began to withdraw but the Master of the House told him If he would step into the next Room he would dismiss the People and that Mr. M. had repair'd thither To which he assented but the Dr. as soon as he came in began a long Parley with Mr. M. So that A. P. had no more Discourse with the Dr. except that the Dr. at parting told I know not what Impertinent story of Pope Nicholas as I take it to wit that he had taught that the Christians eat the Sacred Body of Christ like Collops To which A. P. reply'd He had only the Dr.'s word for it and desir'd to know what the Dr. meant by Collops which could have but two acceptations to wit that they eat Christ's Body under an appearance of visible Flesh or that they eat it divided into many pieces neither of which he was sure came into Pope Nicholas's Head to teach 31. Then the Dr. fearing his general Proposition Of Papists being breakers of their Word might prove of no good consequence to him he said He spoke it only of Jesuits A. P. Then thanking him for his Complement reply'd It was not so but that his Proposition was general as appears by the Medium he took to prove it to wit that the Papists believ'd their's to be the only saving Religion which was not a point of Doctrine peculiar to the Jesuits but common to the whole Catholick Church there being no more true Religions than there are Gods. Then he told the Dr. He understood not the Jesuits Principles neither should he ever assign one different from those of other Roman Catholicks 32. On this occasion the Dr. had a fling at the Deposing Power To which A. P. reply'd That was so far from being a common Doctrine amongst the Society that it was expresly forbid under most severe Censures not only to treat of it in Schools but even to speak of it in familiar Discourses Then the Dr. cited Mariana and Suarez and added That Parsons had taught it in Queen Elizabeths time To which A. P. answer'd The Jesuits oblig'd not themselves to follow any private Author's Speculations and added That whatever Parsons had judg'd in the Theory it was the Reformers who had reduc'd it to practice who had taken the priviledge upon a false pretence of Gospel Liberty to spill more Christian Blood through all Germany Bohemia France Low-Countries Holland England and where-ever they assum'd the Reforming Spirit than ever the Roman Catholicks had done from from Christ's time nor should he ever shew they propagated their Faith by the Swords Point And since he by his odious Insinuations had oblig'd A. P. to speak the Truth It was manifest from History that the pretended Reformers had Deposed and endeavour'd to Depose more Princes in the space of 150 years than the Roman Catholicks had done in 1600. witness the King of Spain thrown out of his Possessions of the Vnited Provinces witness Sigismond with his whole Race dispossess'd of his Hereditary Kingdom of Sweden witness Charles the V. depriv'd of the Name of Emperour and call'd Charles of Gant by the Duke of Saxony and Landgrave of Hass at the head of 100000 Men witness the Prince and Bishop of Geneva without any Authority Depos'd and the Government transfer'd to the People He added That our own Kingdoms of England and Scotland had imbrac'd the same Principles as was manifest from the unjust Detainment and Beheading of Queen Mary Stuart And he said He was unwilling to reflect on the Father of his most Sacred Majesty that the Scotch Covenant And lately the Bills of Exclusion presented in three Parliaments were a sufficient Argument what Spirit run along with the Reformation And so bidding the Dr. Good night Desir'd him to be more wary another time how he objected things that must naturally oblige his Adversary to so severe a Recrimination FINIS

was content that Gentleman should retire and pitch'd upon another who casually came in tho' not known by name to A. P. 3. Here the Dr. sitting down invited A. P. also to place himself by him which he did but desired very much that Pen Ink and Paper might be brought and every thing writ down which should be said on either side but this was not accepted of 4. The Youth appearing for whose sake the Conference was A. P. said That having of late in his Catechisms shew'd the necessity of true Faith for Salvation and of some assur'd means to find out the said true Faith which he had shewn to be a True and Infallible Church This Youth had been moved to entertain thoughts of joyning himself to the Roman Catholick Church he desired therefore that the Dr. if he could would be pleas'd to assign a better Rule of Faith and which might serve to keep the Youth in the Persuasion he had been bred in The Dr. reply'd That the Boy had told him no such thing but that A. P. had told him of the contradictions of Luther and when the Dr. asked him what Book of Luther it was the Youth answer'd a Book in Quarto whereupon the Dr. told him That Luthers Works were not in that Volume but in Folio A. P. granted he had spoke to that purpose of Luther and had shewn that Luther had taught now Seven then Three then Two and at last only One Sacrament and there being consequently no Unity in his Doctrine he had no Spirit of Truth in him But he said he never had brought any Book to the Pulpit with him Then the Dr. reply'd The Boy began with a Lye to which A. P. reply'd That did not follow for he had shew'd him such a Book in his Chamber which was not any piece of Luther's Works but had Quotations out of them At which the Dr. had a fling at Equivocation saying That A. P. had shew'd him no Book to wit in the Pulpit but he had in his Chamber to the contradiction of Luther he said the Church of England depended not upon Luther and that the Roman Church had not always taught Seven Sacraments to which A. P. reply'd That the Church then defin'd the precise number of Sacraments when the debate began concerning the Nature and Essence of a Sacrament but had never taught and declared a contrary number Here A. P. to avoid wandering press'd the Dr. to assign his Rule of Faith. 5. He having assigned the Holy Scriptures A. P. reply'd There were two things incumbent on the Dr. to prove 1. That the Volumes he call'd Holy Scripture were truly such 2. That when so prov'd they were a sufficient Rule by themselves of Faith. But to the Second Point nothing was said 6. To the First the Dr. answer'd they had been handed down from the Apostles A. P. desired the favour to know by what hands The Dr. answer'd The Scriptures were prov'd by the Testimony of Turks Jews Gentiles and Christians and that he had the same certainty for them as for there having been such a Man as Cicero and Caesar Here Mr. M. asked the Dr. who then turning towards him seem'd to speak to him whether Turks Jews or Gentiles made up part of the Testimony he alleag'd for Holy Writ But A. P. desiring that no body should argue but himself desired to know further of the Dr. from what immediate hands the Church of England had receiv'd their Bible when she began the Reformation The Dr. answer'd from the Universal Church and that he meant by the Vniversal Church all those different Bodies which make up the number of Christians Then A. P. urged to know whether all those different Parts made one True and Uncorrupted Body or whether at least there was then any such thing as a True and Uncorrupt Part at least of the Whole But the Dr. would not allow the Whole to be so nor yet assign any Part thereof void of much Corruption 7. Here a pleasant School-Master perceiving the Argument to pinch with wry Mouths and antick Postures offer'd to A. P. a Picture as he said of the Blessed Trinity A. P. perceiving that the standers by were disposed to Laughter reply'd That God having been pleas'd to appear to the Prophet Daniel under the form of an Antient Man he saw no reason why he might not be Painted as he appeared provided one meant not to delineate him in his own Nature Which said he return'd to his Argument and press'd much to know how the Scripture having been deliver'd unto them by corrupted and consequently false Witnesses could be held for the assured and undoubted Word of God. But the School-Master continuing to throw in impertinent Questions with many ridiculous gestures A. P. said he came not to argue with a Buffoon but a Dr. This was ill taken and the Dr. was pleas'd to read a Lesson of Charity upon that Subject and went about to prove that A. P. had violated the Holy-day And when Mr. M. said in A. P's defence That St. Paul had us'd as sharp Language on a like occasion The Dr. reply'd were he St. Paul he might do so too 8. Here A. P. perceiving the Dr. willing to enter a Discourse of a different Subject he wish'd Mr. M. to withdraw to the Window that the Dr. might have no occasion of diverting the Argument or complaining there were two against one which done he urged a great while the Dr. to declare How he was assured of his Bibles being the True and Uncorrupted Word of God since he believ'd all those who had delivered it were Superstitious and Idolatrous or at least False and Corrupted And how since he taught they had Corrupted and depraved the Sense of Holy Scripture he could believe upon their Authority the Letter to remain Pure and not Corrupted using thereto this Simile That if one should bring a Deed into a Court of Justice attested only by Lyars and Corrupted Witnesses although never so many it would never make good any Action in Law or find Credit with any not Corrupted Judge pressing this with much earnestness the School-Master return'd to his former humours putting in impertinent Questions and saying the Buffoon asks this But A. P. neglecting his impertinences press'd the Dr. continually for a positive Answer and the Dr. said at last There were True Christians of an Uncorrupt Doctrine at such time as the Reformation began A. P. press'd to know whether they were visible or invisible at that time If invisible he desired to be satisfy'd how they had taken the Bible from invisible hands If visible where they were in what Place or Country But to this never could obtain any satisfactory Answer 9. During two hours and a half which this Debate lasted all their Answers were as follows Sometimes the D. appeal'd to the Greek-Church to which A P. said That he had not then received the Scripture from the Universal but a Particular Church and desired to know if the Dr.