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A09881 A consideration of the papists reasons of state and religion, for toleration of poperie in England intimated in their supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, [and] the states of the present Parliament. Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635. Supplication to the Kings most excellent Majestie. aut 1604 (1604) STC 20144; ESTC S105148 106,538 134

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Jupudent bragges wit learning reading iudgment vertue true piety qualities of all other likeliest to discerne and abandon error to her Teachers Doctors ever enioyed the like store of such lights as our Oppositors had never reason to compare with or if they do the extant monumēts in schoole positiue mysticall divinity and in all other literature will quickly shew the inequalitie and disproportion of the comparison Resolution of the 23. Reason Popish religion hath now and in all ages hath had the most famous men for wit learning reading iudgment vertue true pietie to her Teachers and Doctors Ergo. Poperie is true religion and so to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 WHat other Answere should I make vnto a bold impudent shamelesse false assertion without proofe or shew of probability but Thou lyest Satan 2 I will not name any now-living to avoide suspition of flatterie ONE Calvin ONE Peter Martyr ONE Melancthon ONE Iuell ONE Vrsine ONE Zanchius ONE Humfreyes ONE Whitakers ONE Iunius ONE Perkins to let infinite others passe had more sound learning infinitely more true pietie then ALL the Popish Teachers and Doctors that ever were are or shall bee ever had now have or ever hereafter can haue Reason of Religion 24 24 REASON OF RELIGION A religion whose publike and a Popish church service is blasphemie against GOD and a mockerie of religion Church service is executed with that maiestie honorable grauity and reverence the severall parts and b Popish Ceremonies are mens precepts conemed by Christ Mat. 15. ceremonies thereof so aptly and admirablie composed ordered for annuall commemoration representing of our Saviours incarnation birth life passion buriall resurrection ascension of the comming downe of the Holy Ghost of the mystery of the Trinitie and of other passages as well of Christ our head as of his members the Saints as it begetteth feedeth reneweth singular devotion in the actors hearers is also so comfortable in her c The comfors which the Popish Sacramēts afforde is deceaveable like vnto the hungrit mans dreame Esa 29.8 Sacramēts especially so easing and acquieting soules in the Sacrament of penance as no testimonie or demonstration vnder heaven is or can be of like seeling proose for the reall goodnes verity of that Sacrament as is the supernaturall sweetest divine consolation tasted therein as is the Sacrament of the Eucharist Resolution of the 24. Reason Popish Religion hath her church-service executed with maiestie honorable gravity and reverence her Ceremonies admirable and her Sacraments comfortable Ergo. Popish religion is true and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent I THE Popish Church-service is not Maiesticall honorable grave and reverent but blasphemous and full of apish trickes and toyes I For the substance of it it is full of idolatrous invocations of Angels and Saints II It is performed in an vnknowne tongue to the derision of GOD and mockerie of religion against the expresse words letter sense of the Scriptures 1. Cor. 14. III The theatricall attire and gesture the skipping friskes and gambols the in constant murmuring crying out and whispering of the Priest the bellowing piping and chanting and the lighting of candels at noone-day is not true maiestie gravity reverence but manifest demonstration of giddines levitie wantonnes and flat apostacie from true religion For our Saviour saith Iohn 4.24 they that worshippe GOD must worship him in spirit and truth 2 Popish Ceremonies are execrable Christ saith Mat. 15. 9. In vaine they worship me teaching for doctrines mens precepts 3 If Popish Religion were true it is most certaine that Popish Sacraments are very cōfortable For the Papists teach that the Sacraments of the new Testament do containe do conferre of themselues and merite grace that they iustifie that they forgiue sinnes sanctifie by the worke wroght yea without any good motion or disposition of the receiver or vser that is without faith This cannot choose but be very comfortable for be a man never so vile a villaine bee he never so vngracious of so wicked yet if he can bee made partaker of the Sacraments according to their doctrine he shall haue his sinnes actually forgiven him and be instantly iustified But alas this doctrine is not true it hath no warrant out of the Scriptures which restifie that without faith it is impossible to please GOD. It is the deceaueable learning of Antichrist to detaine miserable men captiues in his kingdome and to make them slaues vnto sinne by committing it with boldnes and to appease the stinging thereof in their consciences for a time II To the Consequence The Antecedent being false the Consequence falleth of it selfe Reason of Religion 25 25. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose secular and religious Cleargy liue without wiues free from care of providing for a But not for providing for bastards children the later sort no way distracted with the affaires and encombrances of the world but b But the Apostle saith that Pure religion and vndefiled before God is to visite the fatherlesse and widdowes in their adversitie Jac. 1.27 encloistered passe their whole time in praier watching fasting in continuall study of scriptures and in dayly exercise and dispute for ful perfect vnderstanding of them Helps that doe most further the attaining of truth and such as are not c An impudent lie sound in the adverse party and which in common reason Catholike Divines being not inferior to other Divines in wit or other talents shew that our teachers God being no acceptor of persons are more likely to haue vsing d Vutruth fitter meanes for the same the e No Papist dares expound the Scriptures truely See the Answere true intelligence and vnderstanding of scripture then are our adversaries or contradictors Resolution of the 25. Reason Popish Religion is that whose Cleargie liue without wiues c. Ergo What will the Suppliants conclude Popish Religion is the Doctrine of Divels ANSWERE 1 I graunt both the Antecedent and the Consequence Their Popish Cleargy although they keepe store of whoores and concubines yet they haue no wiues their popish doctrine is indeed the doctrine of divels 2 Their glory herein is to their shame For the Apostle saith 1. Tim. 4.1.2.3 Nowe the Spirite speaketh evidently that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith and shall giue heed vnto Spirits of errour doctrine of divels Which speake lies through hypocrisie and haue their consciences burned with an hote●●on Forbidding to marrie and commanding to abstaine from meates c. Both these notes of the Apostatical Church the Papists cannot by any shift depell from themselues so that out of this place vvee may demonstratiuely conclude that the Popish Church is the Church of Antichrist as I haue declared at large Lib. 1. de Antichr cap 28. 3 A sober and moderate care of providing for Children is no hinderance to godlinesse 4 As for the helpes which
de vita B. Greg. receiving of an Angel and of e Jbid cap 23. the Lord of Angel in the persons of poore Pilgrimes to his tables is sufficient proofe of his sanctity of Gods extraordinary l●ue towards him And that he taught no hereticall superstitious or false doctrine it is likewise manifest by the sitting of the holy Ghost on his heade in forme of a Doue at the time of writing his bookes as f Apud Iohan. Diac l. 4. c. 69. cevita B. Greg. Petrus Diaconus a deare familiar friend of S Gregories much conversant with him witnesseth to haue seene most often How powerable also this holy Doctors praiers were with God it well appeareth by this that for the g Jdē l. 2. c. 41. conversion of an incredulous misbeleeving woman thinking the bread which her selfe had made could n●t be changed into the body of Christ he both turned a sacred host into appearance of flesh and after againe into the forme of bread as it carried before Which with other manifold miracles of his most clearely restifieth that he was neither of ill life nor ill beliefe but holy in the one and Apostolicall in the other Neither did the said fowre Doctors a consideration of much importance differently teach or one impugne the other in any of the points of doctrine aboue mentioned but they ●all concurred in one vniformity of opinion without contradictiō or least shew of dissent Yea not only these towre most renowned Clearks the chiefe lights of Gods church next after the Apostles agreed most vniformely as we haue said in the foresaid controversed points of religion but g An impudent vntruth all the primitiue writers conspired likewise in the same As in h Yet more dumb shewes of forged and falsified Fathers proofe of the sacrifice vse holinesse of the Masse a Apostolicar constitut l. 6. c. 23. epist. 2. 3. de officio sacer dotum cleric Clement consecrated b Tertullian de praescript cap 32 Epiphanius hearesi 27. Ruffinus in preafat libri Recognitionum Bishop of Rome by S. Peter c Ecclesiast Hierar cap. 3. Dionvsius Areopagita S. Pauls d Act. 15. disciple and by him e Helduinus Abbas or dained Bishop of Athens f Epist ad Smyrn Jgnatius S. Iohn Evangelists g Simeon Metaphrastes in vita eius auditor and by common cōsent of the Apostles assigned Bishop of Antioch h Adversus beares li 4. cap. 32 34. l 5 ca. 2. Jrenaeus scholar to S. Policarp and he scholar to S. Iohn Pope k Epist. 1 cap. 2. Anacletus the fourth from S. Peter Pope l Epist 1. cap. 4. Alexander the second from Anacletu● Pope m Epist. ad omne vniversaliter cap. 2. Telesphorus the secōd frō Alexander with others their next successors n Apud Gratianum de consecratione distinctione 1. cano omnes Basilicae Higinus o In Codice 5 librorū lib 4. cap. 117. Pius p Apud Burchardum lib 5. cap. 29. Jvonem part 2. cap. 98. Anicetus q Apud Gratianum de consecraeti dist 1. cano hoc quoque Soter al receiued Saincts Martyrs Also the Liturgie of the Church of Rome delivered by S. Peter the Liturgie of the Church of Hierusalem written by S. James the Liturgie of the Church of Alexandria composed by S. Marke the Liturgie of the Church of Milā made by S. Barnabas The Liturgie of the Church of Cappaciocia cōpiled by r Floruis circiter annum 370 Saint Basil The Liturgie of the Church of Constātinople set forth by Saint s Floruis anno Christi 380. Chrysostome And likewise the-Liturgies of the Aethiopian Syrian and Armenian Churches which all with some other doe most cleerely witnesse the sacrifice vse and veneration of the Masse do also approue the ceremonies and divine mysteries represented and expressed therein In like manner for proofe direct evidence of the ancient practise fruit and obligation of auricular Confession S. a Apostolicar constitut lib. 2. cap. 33. epist. 1. ad Jacobum frairem Domini Clement S. b Epist 8. ad Domophilum Dionysius S. c Adversus haereses lib. 1. cap. 9. sleruit circiter an 160. Irenaeus d Homil. 2. in Leuiticum Hom. in Psal ●7 floruit 230. Origen e Lib. de paenitentia cap. 10 12 floruit 200. Tertullian S. f Lib. de lapsis floruit 250. Cyprian g Lib. 4. diuinar constitution ca. 17. floruit 320. Lactātius who so highly advāceth Confession as hee maketh it one distinctiue note h Jdem cap. vlt. eiusdem libri of the true church S. i Serm. in illa verba Profecti in pagum quiex advers c. floruit circiter annum 340. Athanasius S. k Canone 18. in Mattheum flor 346. Hilary l Lib. de paenitentia confess flor 350. Pacianus S. m Jn regulis breuiorib regula 229 288. Bafil S. n Tom 5 lib. 2. de sacerdetio Chrysostome S. o Ep. 80 ad episcopos Campaniea epist 91. ad Theocorum Foroiulij episcopum flor 450 Lee with other writers of best note in every age since Christs time hitherto And as the primitiue ancient Fathers Saints do yeelde their absidant testimony in confirmation of these two points so do they vndoubtedly also afford if this place would give leave to particularize very ample evidence in i Our lyers all the other points before mencioned in question betweene vs our oppositors Nay if we may be so bold as to deliver our opinion plainely without concealing ought in this matter the manner that our adversaries vse in citing places out of the ancient Fathers against vs is but the k A shamelesse stander study of meere wrangling and no other then a demonstratiue token of an exceeding contentious spirit wil●ully affecting to blind-fold mislead it selfe For were they sincere and loued truth aboue althings they could not possibly l Divelish ca●●●●●iations dismember wrest and picke out sentences of their workes in the order and to the purposes they do not letting to racke their words to a sense which the writers never meant yea contrarie oftentimes even to the generall scope and drift of those bookes whence they cull the peeces they alleadge contrarie to the evident letter and plaine passages of their other writings contrarie to the faith they professed liued and died in contrarie to the Religion of the Age they wrote in contrarie to the Doctrine of the Church that first admitted them for Doctors or received them for Saints contrary to the profession of their lives state of vocation contrary to the anguage and nature of their owne deedes to the titles and dignities they held to the opinion and censure which al former ages retained of such their parcels of writing So that words and words commonly disioynted