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A95704 Thirty and two extremes of these times discovered and reduced to sixteene golden meanes tending to the reducing of strayers, the establishing of waverers, and the uniting of judgements and hearts together in the truth. 1647 (1647) Wing T916; Thomason 669.f.11[66]; Thomason 669.f.14[48]; ESTC R210613 6,054 1

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gifted man to exercise bis gifts privately either in his owne Family or elsewhere for the good of others provided it be not in the time of publike exercise yea and publikely also before he be ordained if he intend to be ordained 13. Old Ext. Our Minister preacheth now and then for the lawfulnesse of peoples paying Tythes to their Ministers for their maintenance and urgeth it very much and I thinke he doth very well in so doing for surely it is méete that Ministers should be thereby maintained 14. New Extreame But though your Minister and all the Ministers in the Kingdome should presse it never so much rather then I would give a Minister a penny under the notion of Tythes I would see him starve for lack of maintenance for that were in effect to deny the comming of Christ in the flesh 7. Golden Mean I would not advise any Minister of the Gospell to require any maintenance under the notion of Tythes because some men do take offence thereat neither is it material● whether any man give him maintenance under that notion so he give it him because the Apostle Gal. 6. 6 15 or rather because the Lord by the Apostle saith Let him that is taught in the Word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things 15. Old Extreame Our Minister doth well deserve maintenance for he is a very honest painfull man continually pressing us to repent of our sins and to do good works according to Gods Commandments 16. New Extreame But I should like him much better if he were continually declaring unto you what is the Kingly Office of Christ in his Church and what Discipline and Government he would have set up there 8. Golden Mean But that Minister is best of all to be liked who doth chiefly indeavour to informe his people in the Mysteries of Jesus Christ for though to handle the points you speake of 1 Cor. 2. 2. be sometimes expedient yet the Doctrine concerning Christ and him crucified is that one point necessary 17. Old Extreme I am perswaded that the Civill Magistrate is to have a hand in reforming the Church and in ordering and doing all things in the Church for it is said Isa 49. 23. That Kings shall be nursing Fathers and Quéens nursing Mothers to the Church 18. New Extreme I know no other Reformation that Christ requires in his Church but onely the Reformation of the heart and I am sure the Civill Magistrate hath no power to do that and therefore it is cleare to me that he hath nothing at all to do neither in nor about the Church of Christ but onely about the Common-Wealth 9. Golden Meane In the Church of Christ besides the Reformation of the heart which indeed is the chiefe Reformation and Christs Worke onely and not mans there is required a Reformation of Religion in Doctrine Worship Discipline and Government and this the Civill Magistrate is to have a hand in by compelling to the meanes and to the externall acts of Worship and Government as you may see Nehem. 13. 31 32. 2 Chron. 34. 32 33. and indeed the Civill Magistrate is to do much about the pale of the Church as to punish the wicked and encourage the godly and the like but how they are to be nursing fathers and nursing mothers to the Church is as I conceive a hard matter rightly to determine 19. Old Extreame Some men do talke very much of worshipping God in the Spirit and not with ontward formes but for mine owne part I am resolved to stick to my ontward formes of hearing reading praying fasting and other such like Religious exercises for I know no other way of worshipping God 20. New Extreme But I am all for the Spirituall Worship of God and to tell you truly I use no outward formes at all for I know very well that God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and Truth Joh. 4. 20. 10. Golden Mean As we are not to content our selves with outward formes without the inward power and spirituall Worship of God so are we not to conceive that the inward power and true spirituall Worship of God can be where outward forms are wilfully neglected when God calls us unto them therefore surely he doth best that doth both 21. Old Extreme I am perswaded that Christians are bound to observe the Sabbath day very strictly for we are forbidden so much as to kindle a fire on that day as you may see Exo. 35 3. or to gather a few sticks to lay thereon as you may see Num. 15. 35. 22. New Extreme I finde not in all the whole new Testament any command to keep any Sabbath at all and therefore I do believe that now in the daies of the Gospell every day is to be kept as a Sabbath and a Christian is not to restraine it to one day more then to another nor make any difference of daies at all but all daies are to be alike to him 11 Golden Meane Indeed the precise and strict rest of the Jewes on the Sabbath Day was Ceremoniall and therefore now by Christ so taken away that a Christian is not so bound to rest but that he may doe workes of urgent necessity as you may see in the Disciples plucking the eares of Corne and rubbing them an the Sabbath Day and our Saviours defending them for so doing Luk. 6. 1 2 3 4 5. yea and a Christian may also doe workes of mercy on that day as you may see Mat. 12. 11 12. neverthelesse the first day of the weeke or Lords Day is to be kept as a Sabbath to the Lord for surely Christ had no other reason to bid them pray Mat. 24. 20. that their flight should not be on the Sabbath Day but for that it would disturbe and hinder them from attending upon the Worship of God 23 Old Extreme I cannot abide your assembling together and your preaching in private houses for I am perswaded Gods Word ought not to be preached any where else but in the Church of God 24 New Extreme But I had rather heare a Sermon in a private house then in any of your Steeple-houses 12 Gold Mean Certainly the place appointed for Publike Worship cannot properly be called the Church of God Mat. 18. 20 for the Church of God is where two or three or more of the Saints of God are gathered together to worship God neverthelesse for as much as the Apostle willeth 1 Cor. 14. 40. that all things be done decently and in order I thinke is meet we should assemble together to heare the Word rather in publike then in private because it is so appointed by authority 25 Old Extrem There is much talke now adayes about liberty of Conscience and many men seeme much to desire it but for mine owne part I know not what they meane by it and therefore I regard it not 26 New Extreme Liberty of Conscience is so deare and precious a thing to me and I doe prize it so highly that I would spend my blood rather then I would want it for to live without it were to live in slavery 13 Golden Mean The Apostle Gal. 5. 1. willeth Beleevers to stand fast in that liberty wherewith Christ hath made them free that is from the yoke of the Cerimoniall Law and the condemning power of the Morall Law and this may truly be called Liberty of Conscience and this we are to desire and plead for and yet we must beware that we use not this liberty for an occasion to the flesh as the same Apostle adviseth verse 13. and this we shall doe if we truly say with David Psal 119. 45. I will walke at liberty for I seeke thy precepts 27 Old Extreme I have heard some men speake as though there were a great defference to be made betwixt the Old Testament and the New and much to under-value the Old in comparison of the New but for mine owne part I doe beleeve that they are both of them the Word of God and therefore I see no difference that there is to be made betwixt them 28 New Extreme But for my part I doe make such a difference betwixt them that I doe beleeve the Old Testament is utterly to be abolished and that a Beleever is to have nothing at all to doe with it for doth not the Apostle say in plaine termes that the Old Testament is done away 2 Cor. 3. 11. Heb. 8. 13. 14 Golden Meane Indeed it is true the Ceremonies and the circumstantiall Administrations of the Old Testament are done away but yet the substance remaines so that we are not to imagine that the Booke it selfe is done away for therein is contained the Law of God and Word of God even the perfect Will of God which shall remaine for ever 29 Old Extreme Surely the Presbyterian way of Church-Government must needs be now the onely way to Salvation seeing that Authority is pleased to set it up in this Kingdome 30 New Extreme And I am confident that the way which they call the Independant way is the very way to Heaven for I have been more confidently assured of my Salvation since I entred into that way then ever I was before 15 Gold Meane Assure your selves that no man shall be saved simply because he is under such a way of Church-Government whether it be Episcopacy Presbitery or Independant nor damned simply because he is under any of them but a man shall be saved if he beleeve truly on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ Joh. 3. 38. and damned if he doe not which way of Church-Government soever he is 31 Old Extr. I would have every man constrained by Authority to conforme himselfe to the Presbyteriall Government because it is established by Authority 32 New Extreme I would have all men to have liberty of Conscience of what Opinion or Religion soever they be 16 Gold Mean I would have all men to have liberty of Conscience who are sound and Orthodox as touching Fundamentalls and godly in their lives and conversations though they doe not conforme themselves to the Presbiteriall way but none else Printed at London for John Wright at the Kings Head in the Old Bailey 1647.