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A89832 Deceit brought to day-light: in an ansvver to Thomas Collier, vvhat he hath declared in a book called, A dialogue between a minister, and a Christian: but by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither. In which answer his lies are returned for the founder to prove; his errors laid open, read, and reproved, and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words. / Published in short for the souls sake, that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty, lest any should believe lies, and so be given up to delusion, and bee damned, by a lover of truth, called, James Naylor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing N269; Thomason E885_5; ESTC R202981 17,493 32

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watchings in fastings in wandrings hunger and nakedness having no certain dwelling place in tumults often in necessities in stripes in whipping mocking stoning and imprisonment c. Let us see if it be your manner to dispute in the Idols-Temple against their Idols-worship that deceives souls and preach in the streets and markets daily c. and all this freely without hire These are the Apostles wayes and this is the Apostles word let us see if you be converted according to it and that your God is the same theirs was and will carry you forth in the same way and work and that you dare trust him therein And as we see you in the Apostles works so we shall be engaged to believe that you are converted by their Word which was before the letter was and the light thereof in all consciences will confess to you and that this is the living God whose wayes is righteous that you preach for all to worship and then we shall own you and the Apostles words will own you and your practice but where you are now we cannot nor can we worship with you that for God that which cannot save you from that wicked lying spirit that acts you nor lead you into the same work that it hath done all his Ministers in all ages for we know that God whose Word is Righteousness and his wayes Truth and what Ordinances he sets up that will we worship in for those Ordinances are spiritual and have life in them wherein God dwells and in them by him we shall be kept And the clear water we know wherein our bodies are washed and the blood of cleansing and the bread of life which was broken for us and is given to us by which we live and own the Apostles practices to follow Christ in our measures for which we are counted the off-scouring of all things unto this day and till then think not that we shall worship your tradition which brings forth a lye that cannot save the Founder for that wherein God dwells not is but a likeness empty and so your practice proves your way whereof it is Surely in vain do you setup Idols the Lord is risen your carved Images are lighter then vanity All the idols of the heathen are void of Righteousness truth is wanting in their inward parts they have deckt them with colours they have covered them with words they cry Come bow and worship but doth not consider that a lye is in there right hand there is none that considereth once to say in himself What is this that I am doing What profit is there in that to which I fall down is this the living God for whom I am thus contending that is not able to plead for himself and defend himself with righteousness with judgement and equity to plead against his enemies in their own hearts that cannot strike thorow the loynes of his adversaries cover me with innocency and peace while he covers his Enemies with confusion Is this he whose Word endureth for ever from generation to generation who hath left me to seek counsel in the Letter and without his Spirit and to consult with men how to keep up his Ordinances and to go to carnal weapons to avenge him on them who cast down his Altars who cut down his Groves and declares against the way of his worships Oh foolish people is this he that pleads the cause of his people who cannot plead for himself in Judgement nor for you in Righteousness Let him put spiritual weapons into your hands let him fill your hearts with Righteousness and your wayes with equity let him cover you with innocencie and preserve you in patience till he have made your light to shine in darkness that therewith he may confound his Enemies let him cause truth to spring in the earth and faith to bud and blossom that righteousness may cover you from the storm and the effect thereof may be peace then shall all your Enemies be ashamed and confounded before you for his power shall pass before you to make the earth to tremble at his presence whom the carnal sees not let it be proclaimed before him The Lord our righteousness gracious and full of mercy whose eye goes thorow the world and who will by no means clear the guilty And if this be the Name of your God let it be written upon you let the Zeal thereof be as a mark in your fore-heads and his sighteousness upon you as a Brest-plate that all may say this is the Lord bow before him there is no other who maketh his people lights in whom he holds forth salvation and healing to the Nations Surely this is the Lord and this is work and to him shall the world bow and his Saints confess his Name for ever Verily in the Lord our God is salvation strength Righteousness is thy right Name Judgement goes before thy face to confound thine Enemies thy light is as a fire to consume the wicked and by the same is thy Word declared therewith thou sends the rich away empty but the poor thou satisfies with goodness everlasting thou hides thy way from the subtil that thou mayest set the Prisoner out of the Pit that he may possess the gates of his Enemies and go in and out and feed in safety thou makes him strong that was feeble but strikes through the loins of the wicked thou dries up the depths of the sea that thy ransomed ones may pass over Our enemies sees and are troubled rage hath seised upon them in travells they are with mischief they are pained to bring forth and their birth is a lye Their son cannot save them they have brought forth darkness and folly Counsel and peace is not in him therefore they stagger in Judgement but thou Lord God gives us light as in the beginning the ancient of dayes is our stability things of many generations hast thou set before us the foundation that is unmoveable is discovered therein thou hast set us as upon a Rock so that the Floods of the ungodly cannot move us thou hast lifted up an Ensigne and the Heathen are angry the pride of the Nations hath gathered against thee thou hast set up judgment against them in the streets of wickedness and hath sent out the Lamb amongst the Beast of the field upon his head thou hast placed a defence thou hast covered him with righteousness as with a garment thou hast covered thy Enemies with thick darkness and their Armies with a cloud they grope at noon-day thou hast smitten the horse with blindness and his rider with madness they have risen up against thee they are confounded they are driven back their arm hath failed and thou savest thy people with a mighty salvation the meek sees it and rejoice it glads the soul of the innocent to see thee Praise our God in the beauty of holiness all that are come to the peaceable habitation Sing unto the Lord a new Song you people of good understanding who knows the root of righteousness where it springs and are fed with the dew of heaven whose hearts the Lord hath opened for himself that he may fill you with goodness that you may bring forth as a watered garden that the Lord may take delight in his own and dwell in you for ever The End
DECEIT Brought to DAY-LIGHT IN AN ANSWER TO Thomas Collier VVhat he hath declared in a book called A Dialogue between a Minister and a Christian But by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither In which Answer his lies are returned for the Founder to prove his Errors laid open read and reproved and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words Published in short for the souls sake that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty lest any should believe lies and so be given up to delusion and bee damned By a Lover of Truth called James Naylor They have made lies their refuge and under falshood have they hid themselves but judgement is laid to the Line and righteousness to the Plummet and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies and the waters shall overflow the hiding place LONDON Printed by T. L. for Giles Calvert at the black-Spread-Eagle neer the West end of Pauls 1656. The EPISTLE to the READER AND TO THOMAS COLLIER Friends THis generation with speed fulfils its measure of wickedness against the seed of God till the seed of Esau become a desolation for ever and the Armies of Gog and Magog with their men of warr appears from all quarters in defiance of Israel til there be not a man left to handle the sword We are become a prey to the slanderous tongue and are made as a mark for the wicked against which they bend their bowe and shoots their arrowes even bitter words of lies and reproaches more then may bee numbred but the wickedness of the wicked shal slay him and his transgression shall fall upon his owne head for though they strive yet to no purpose for the Warrier loses his hand in the day of battel and his strength becomes weakness and his wisdom is turned into folly and even this man Thomas Collier hath helped up the measure of his generation and is no whit short but the rather exceeding some of his Brethren in lies and slanders and reproaches and his testimony hath he given against the Lord and his mite hath he cast in unto Babylon's confusion to make up the number of the Beast in the warre against the Lamb against which the whole body and train of darkness from the head to the tail is joyned in the agreement of hell and is now come forth in the power and authority of the Beast they are gathered against the Lord that they may be scattered by the whirlwind of his wrath and they are risen that they may be broken to pieces and they have spoken that they may be condemned out of their own mouths and this man with many of his brethren is justly fallen into the pit which he digged for another and the snare hath trapped his own foot and he is the man who is found and proved in a high degree guilty of that wickedness and transgression whereof he falsly accuses us and the reproach stands upon his owne head which he hath thought to lay upon the innocent VVhat art thou among the rest fled to lies for refuge as thy last defence Is this the end of thy profession and of thy high notions who was once mounted up into the air among the wandering stars carried for a time as a cloud with the tempest but now art thou fallen into the earth because there was no abiding place for thee and art turned again into the beggarly rudiments of the world where the chains of darkness compasses thee about till the Judgement of the great day for which thou art reserved and thy lies are numbred to go into the pit together In this present Answer unto thy foolish invented discourse he that hath understanding may read thy shame and confusion thou art not found onely upon secret search but manifestly thy impudence appears and much need not be said but onely thy lies are sent back to thee in a gross sum gathered up from thy mouth to seek a witness from thee of what thou hast asserted thou hast slandered but given no evidence and hast made thy self a transgressor of the law which would thee to do as thou would be done unto and till then we do wait or else for ever do let them rest upon thy own head as the founder of them and thereof shalt thou have shame and reproach in the sight of all just men in this present world vengeance in the sight of God in the world to come and in that day shalt thou confess unto thy condemnation to be just in the presence of the Lord God How easie a thing is it for thee to make a lye and then to disprove it But this is not the way to prove us deceivers for our doctrine and conversation shall bear witness for us in the sight of men and by the light in every mans conscience to bee witnessed and unto the living God we do appeal for judgment and leaves it unto his day and for this purpose hast thou appeared against us that thy folly might appear unto all men and thou in thy secret envy which hath lodged in thy heart might be known unto all who hath travelled to bring forth wickedness and thou shalt be filled with thy own wayes and must receive the just reward thereof London the 3 of the fifth moneth 1656. E. Burrough DECEIT Brought to DAY-LIGHT FRiend Though thou be late with this thy work yet one of Gog's Army thou must appear and having both Questions and Answers in thine own hand thou hast made up a heap of lies and confusion to cast in amongst the rest even such filthy things out of thy own unclean spirit hast thou cast upon the truth as honesty would have been ashamed to utter speaking evil of that which thou knowes nought of but by hearsay the life being that which thou art shut out of and all the image-makers in the Nations Thou sayest our principles are but the principles of the old Ranters which is as far from them both in principle and practice as light and darkness which clearly shewes thy ignorance of us and envy to us it 's true the Rantersprinciples thou hast known and their practice also and I should be glad to see thee as clear from them as thou would make people believe thou art but our principle thou knowes not that eye is blind with which thou shouldst see it or the life from which it arises and therefore the Lyar is up in thee foaming out thy own shame speaking things from the euill of thine own heart which thou canst not prove nor make appear things utterly false and untrue which we can say before the Lord never entred into us to believe or declare which thou layes downe as our principles and that spirit would say as much by our practice but that thou would not be seen openly to be a lyar And left thou should say I wrong thee I shall gather out some of thy lyes thou hast falsly slandered us
with in this booke and send thee them backe to the Founder to prove if thou canst or own thy condemnation for a false accuser and by that time thy Lies be sent back the rest of thy book that concerns us will be soon answered Thy lies be such as these First thou sayest that all our principles are delusions That we hold not any one principle of truth truly as it is in Jesus That we forsake the true way decreed of God for the attaining of Justification which is by faith in Christ crucified That we call Justification by faith in Christ crucified carnal That we have set up an other way to attain justification that is by quaking That we have outed Christ in his great worke of Justification That we have trampled under foot the blood of the covenant That we have counted the blood of the covenant a thing too unholy for us to look at for Justification That we disown Christ in his ascention intercession and the works of his Mediatorship That we have found another way to go to God then by Christ Mediator That we disown Christ in his Authority That we will not submit to Christ in his Word That instead of hearkning to the Voice of Christ in Scripture we hearken to and follow after the Voice of Satan That the best we hearken to is but our own deceitful hearts That we call the voice of Satan in our own deceitful hearts the Voice of Christ That we do obey the voice of Satan in our own hearts though contrary to all rules of God in Scriptures That we disown the coming of Christ from heaven That we disown Christ's Kingdome which is the great and blessed promise of the Gospel the faith and hope of Saints That we disown the Resurrection of the dead in the second appearance of Jesus That we disown the eternal life with Jesus Christ That we own our selves to be perfect That we own our selves to be free from sin entred into a state of Justification not by faith in Christ but by our own righteousness That we own neither salvation nor damnation of any person That our principles are but the principles of the old Ranters That the devil hath hemm'd us in with a pretence of our own infallibility That we will not admit of no sober Discourse nor bring our principles to tryal of Scripture That railing Accusations and hiddeous names is the strength of our Arguments for our way That amongst all the false wayes of Satan there is none more pernicious and dangerous then we are That we undermine the whole body of truth That our way makes an end of Christ in his Person Offices Power and being as a man all at once and so makes an end of Justification and Salvation That we make an end of the Authority of Scripture as a rule That we deny the birth from above by the Spirit That we hold it as our great principle that the light that is in all men is Christ That we turn from the light of Christ shining in the Scriptures to follow our imaginations and fancies instead of Christ That we do but talk of the Name of Christ for a juggle and a cheat That under the Name of Christ we stob him That we lay aside the Man Christ Jesus our lord as a thing of nought That under a pretence of Christ within we take an advantage to murther the true Christ That we are guilty of the great and damnable sin of unbelief in Christ crucified for sin the way the truth and the life That we set up another salvation of our own within us That we sacrifice to our own Nets That we proclaim that all that own Justification through Faith in the blood of the covenant are deceived That we own it as a principle not to submit to any word or law of Christ written in Scripture That we trample under foot the Laws and Ordinances of Christ recorded in Sctipture That we judge all those that walk therein to be Enemies That we proclaim our own righteousness and perfection That we condemn the poor humble souls for publicanes that live in a sight and sense of themselves That we shut up the kingdom of heaven and will not go in nor suffer others that are entering That we will not enter unless we may enter by our own righteousness and not by the blood of the covenant That we leave the weighty things of Faith and Obedience to the Laws and Ordinances of Christ undone as vile and contemptible That we make God a lyar That we destroy civil curtesie as God hath commanded it That we level all conditions and relations making all things common upon this accompt That under a pretence of perfection we bring forth a Religion made up of infidelity disobedience hypocrisie pride trampling under foot the blood of the covenant c. That we are guilty of that Hell-born sin of lying and deceit These abominable folshoods with many more such like hast thou uttered out of thy bosome these lyes comes with as much impudence and boldness as though thou should never be called into judgement for them hereafter nor put to prove them now much like to that scolding spirit which sticks not to call thief and whore freely but when they should prove it falls on their own head this is not the first time this venome hath been cast upon us by that brood whcreof thou art yet to us it sticks not it comes no neerer the truth but out of the lyars bosome that it may return upon the lyars head so take these again and prove us whom thou hasr slandered therewith to be guilty as thou hast said or own thy condemnation for a false accuser before God and all the world before whom thou hast slandered us falsly and before his light in thy conscience to which thou art an enemie lest they remain with thee till the dreadful day of Gods wrath against the lyar and his Father And now thy lies being sent back to the founder the greatest part of thy book as to what thou hast writ against us is answered and come to nought so the foundation is discovered on which thy worke stands take away the lye and thou art disarmed But now seeing thou hast falsly charged us to set up wayes to salvation which are not the man Christ Iesus I shall make it appear to be thy own work to set up a way to salvation to which thou would binde men which is neither the man Christ Iesus nor his Spirit And I shall not imitate thee therein by saying thou dost so and so leave it but first I shall prove it and then let it stand on thy head for ever unless thou deny thy error and repent thus I prove it In thy 15 page thou limits the conversion of all that have been are or shall be converted since the Apostles time to that written by the Apostles and left to after-generations and in thy 17 page thou affirms it to be the absolute rule
of Saints And this letter of the Scripture or Apostles writing I deny to be the man Christ Iesus and that it is not the Spirit thy self confesses in pag. 22. in these words where thou sayest to say that the Scripture is Spirit that discovers much ignorance and indeed such look upon it with an idolatrous eye and sayeth further that the Spirit of God is alwayes distinguished from the Scripture My own I prove thus The Man Christ Jesus ascended but the Letter of the Apostles did not ascend nor could before it was written for then it was no letter Again if the writings of the Apostles be the man Christ Iesus then we have part of him visible here on earth and part is lost which few will say Again the visible part of the Apostles writings is paper and ink but so is not the visible part of the man Christ Jesus more might be said which plainly proves that the Apostles writing is not the man Christ Jesus and thou hast confessed they are not the Spirit and yet thou affirms them to bee the absolute rule of Saints and way of conversion so as God may not convert any but by them which he hath said of nothing but Christ himself so that if thou have not set up an absolute rule that is not Christs's and bound God to work by and all people to believe in a way of conversion and salvation that is not Christ neither in flesh nor spirit as is cleerly proved let the truth in all consciences judge and see if the liar bee not fallen into the pit he hath digged for the innocent Further let the wise judge if thou have not hereby concluded all damned who have lived and dyed since the Apostles time and have not heard the Letter written by the Apostles for if all that have been are or shall be converted since the Apostles time must be by their writings then who hath not their writings cannot be converted nor brought to God Thus hath thou limited God to a Bible to convert by and condemned all that have not one or heard one and with such blinde stuff thou goes on to discover our errors but cannot see thy own blindness Further thou hast set up a new way of converting souls then by which Abraham and Enoch and the holy men of God was converted and hath bound God to it for they was not converted by the writings of the Apostles before they was or they that writ them and so art laying another foundation then was preached to Abraham and was the soundation of the Prophets and Apostles who was converted before the letter of the Apostles was and so art he thou tells on who art preaching another Gospel and accursed And now that I have proved thee one who art setting up another way to salvation that is not Christ setting up one to rule that is not Christ and so art Antichrist I shall charge thee therewith till thou repent and shall add this thy false doctrine to the rest of thy lies by which I deny thy spirit to be of God thy book thy lies thy confusion thy feigned words and thy antichristian doctrine and all thou sayest I do declare to proceed from the Spirit of the false Prophet the lyar and slanderer and one that goes about to set up a way and rule absolute which is not Christ and so another Gospel and foundation and no modesty can blame me for charging thy false doctrine upon thy head being first thus plainly proved and haddest thou thus proved before thou had slandered thou had shewed more of Gods wisdome and less of thy own wickedness but the lyar hath been thy tongue for lies like a bow with which thy bowels must be filled yet canst thou not enter the truth but thy arrows are driven back on thy own head And as that spirit of lies hath its enmity against Christ and would set up another so it doth oppose his light which is the light of the world and thou heaps up a deal of confusion to disprove the witness that Iohn bare of Christ Iohn 1. 9. who saith This is the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world and this light Iohn came to bear witness unto that all men through him might believe vers 7. and this he saith was in the beginning and Christ saith Iohns witness was true Ioh. 5. 33. but saith the lyar that is but the common natural light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world and is not able to lead to God and thus they who likes thy testimony better then Iohn's or Christ's they may believe thee and deny Christ and his Ministers blinde guides how are you like to tell what the light will do or not do who have been opposers of it ever since it was preached but hath not followed it to the end are you like to know whether it leads did you ever follow it at all if so what evil hath it led you to you confess it reproves and manifests sinne and doth not the apostle preach this for the light of Christ Eph. 5. 13 14. but you have an imagination that Christ is the light onely to inlighten you that call your selves believers but who must inlighten the rest Christ saith I am the light of the world he doth not say I am the light of such a form or such a people who are of a self-separation but I am the light of the world he that followes me shall have the light of life but you who never followed it saith there is not life in following it so your blinde testimony who were enemies to the light of the world stand against the testimony of Christ and the children of light John 8. 12. But saist thou if this be true that Christ lighteth every one that cometh into the world which light being taken heed unto will lead to God then Christ died in vain and in vain hath he said I am the way the truth and the life which is as much as if thou had said if Christ be the light of the world which lighteth every one which cometh into the world and leads to God in vain did hee come into the world to testifie the same in preaching and suffering without which it could not have been manisest and believed But your blindness hath been so cleerly laid open and the light proved even that which is the light of the world to be the way to the Father the truth and the life as I need not say much to thy blinde opposition onely take these two Scriptures and shame with thy blindness who would perswade people that the light of the world is not the way the truth and the life or that there is any other way but the light of the world Joh. 8. 12. Joh. 14. 6. if these be one then art thou blinde and if not one then how should thou speak truth who said I am the light of the World the way the truth and the life