his Elect out of their hands no more then now yet the attempt to pluck them out of Gods hand was a Capitall crime then Deut. 13.5.10 For speaking to turne away a soule from God ver 5. and seeking to thrust away a soule from God are but attempts Besides God putteth no difference of Elect and Reprobate in matter of murder either of foule or Body But the respect which God hath in this case is to his Covenant which God made with the visible members of his Church Now. if a man shall so farre violate his Covenant as to Apostate from God and to draw others away to Apostate from him the Lord avengeth this quarrell of his Covenant upon the lives of such And therefore the hainousnesse of this crime is expressed in that he spake or sought to turne away any of the people of God from the Lord their God Deut. 13.5.10 CHAP. 43. A Reply to his Chap. 43. Discusser FOurthly I aske were not these Elders and Ministers of the Church of Ephesus sufficiently furnished from the Lord Jesus to drive away these spirituall and mysticall wolves Defender They were furnished with sufficient power to cast them out of the Church but being cast out they had not sufficient power to drive them away from conferring with and corrupting the members of the Church or other Godly ones out of the Church It is no dishonor to Christ nor impeachment to th sufficiency of the Ordinances left by Christ that in such a case his Ministers of Justice in the Civill State should assist his Ministers of the Gospel in the Church-State Discusser Fiftly lastly I Aske whether as men deale with wolves these wolves at Ephesus were intended by Paul to be killed their braines dasht out with stones staves Halberts Gunns c. in the hands of the Elders of Ephesus Defender No nor was it alledged by me for any such end nor indeed alledged by me at all but onely the Discusser is pleased to set up a marke to shoot at for his owne recreation Elders must keepe within the bounds of their calling But killing and dashing out of Braines which is all one with stoning was expresly commanded in such a case to the People of God by order from the Judges Deut. 13.10 Discusser But comparing spirituall things with spirituall things spirituall mysticall wolves should be spiritually and mystically slaine Defender So they should be by the spirituall Officers and members of the Church But in destroying Religion they are also disturbers of the Civill State and accordingly are to be dealt withall by Civill Justice Achan disturbed the Common-wealth as well as the Church of Israel by bringing a Babylonish garment into the Tents of Israel and was therefore troubledhimselfe for troubling the People of the Lord Josh 7.25 Discusser It is a most bloudy Doctrine The wolves Hereticks are to be drivenaway their braines knockt out and killed the poore sheep to be persecuted for whom Christ died Defender Belike it is a milkey and peaceable and Gospel like Doctrine The wolves Hereticks are to be tolerated not an haire to be struck off from their heads but for the poore sheep for whom Christ died let them perish unlesse Christ mean to preserue them himselfe alone with his own immediate hand no care of preserving them belongeth to the Civill Magistrate Discusser Is not this to take Christ and to make him a temporal King by force Joh. 6.15 Is not this to make his Kingdome of this world to set up a Civill and Temporall Israel to bound out new earthly holy lands of Canaan yea and to set up a Spanish Inquisition in all parts of the world to the speedy destruction of millions of soules and to the frustrating of the sweet end of the comming of the Lord Jesus which was to save mens soules and to that end not to destroy their bodyes by his owne bloud Defender Now of all these when the Kingdomes of the earth become the Kingdomes of the Lord Rev. 11.15 It is not by making Christ a temporall King but by making temporall Kingdomes nursing Fathers to his Church In the dayes of Christs Flesh it was Incompatible to his Ministery to make him a King as they went about to doe Joh. 6.15 Christ hath injoyed even as Mediator an everlasting Kingdome not onely in the Church but in the Government of all the Kingdomes of the earth by his glorious power and righteousnesse But the Kingdomes of the earth are then said to be the Kingdomes of our Lord when they submit their lawes to the lawes of his word But that neither maketh him a temporall King nor his Kingdome in the Church to be a Kingdome of this world The Church and Common-wealth are still distinct Kingdomes the one of this world the other of Heaven and yet both of them from Christ unto whom the Father hath committed all Judgement Iob. 5.22 Neither will this set up a Civill and temporall Israel an holy Canaan unlesse all the members of the Common-wealth were called to be members of the Church and subject to all the ceremoniall and all the judiciall Lawes of Moses not onely those of Morall and perpetuall equity but peculiar to that State as the Brother to marry his deceased Brothers wife Nor is it a Spanish Inquisition to preserve the sheep of Christ from the raven of wolves but this rather such is the practise of the Discusser to promote the principal end of the spanish Inquisition to advance the Romish tyranny Idolatry and Apostacy by proclaiming impunity to all their whorish and wolvish Emissaries Nor is it a frustrating of the sweet end of Christs comming which was to save soules but rather a direct advancing of it to destroy if need be the bodies of those wolves who seeke to destroy the soules of those for whom Christ died and whom he bought with his owne bloud CHAP. 44. A Reply to his Chap. 44. Discussing 2 Cor. 10.4 Discusser The next Scripture produced against such persecution was 2 Cor. 10.4 The weapons of our warfare are not carnall but mighty through God c. To which it is Answered Paul speaketh of the weapons of Apostles and Church-Officers which are not carnall but spirituall and mighty through God But this denieth not Civill weapous of Justice to Civill Magistrates But I here observe that the Scripture holdeth forth a two-fold State a Civill State and a Spirituall Civill Officers and spirituall Civill weapons and spirituall Civill vengeance and spirituall though the Spirit speaketh not here expresly of Civill Magistrates and their Civill weapons yet these States being of different natures and considerations as farre differing as flesh and spirit therefore Civill weapons are most improper and unfitting in matters of the spirituall Kingdome and State though in the Civill State most proper and suitable Defender The Discusser as often throughout his Discourse so here he looseth himselfe and the truth in ambiguityes Civill weapons are indeed improper and unfitting in spirituall matters to wit in the
Chapter Onely 2. Things more remaine in this Chapter which may not passe without some touch 1. That he saith Gods People in all their awakenings acknowledge how sleightly they have listned to the checks of their owne Conscience This the Answerer pleaseth to call sinning against Conscience for which he may lawfully be persecuted to wit for sinning against his owne Conscience Wherein there is found a double falshood 1. That he saith I call the sleight listnings of Gods People to the checks of their Conscience their sinning against Conscience For I speake not of the sinning of Gods People against Conscience but of an Heretick subverted turned off from the Foundation much lesse doe I call their sleight listnings to Conscience to be Hereticall sinning against Conscience 2. Least of all doe I say that for such sleight listnings to the checks of Conscience he may lawfully be persecuted to wit as for sinning against Conscience Thus men that have time and leasure at will will set up Images of clouts and then shoot at them The 2. Thing in this Chapter which I said might not passe without some touch is that having fastned upon me a conclusion which is none of mine but an invention of his owne He addeth howsoever it be painted over with vermillion c. yet he hopeth to manifest it to be the overturning and rooting up of the roote of all true Christianity and absolutely denying the Lord Jesus to be come in the flesh Whereto I Reply no more but this If he doe manifest that which Magnanimously he undertaketh It may happyly be also manifested by the helpe of Christ that it will overturne no conclusion of mine But howsoever let him remember it was a proverb in Israel Let not him that girdeth on his Armour boast himselfe as he that putteth it off 2 Kings 20.11 CHAP. 15. A Reply to his fifteenth Chapter touching the admonition and rejection of an Heretick THe first and second Admonitions in the place of Titus were not Civill or corporall punishments on mens persons or purses But they were the reprehensions convictions exhortations and perswasions of the word of the Eternall God charged home to the Conscience in the Name and Presence of the Lord Jesus in the midst of his Church Which being despised and not hearkened unto in the last place followeth rejection which is not a cutting off by heading hanging burning nor an expelling out of the Countrey and coasts but the dreadfull cutting off from the visible head and body Christ Jesus and his Church Spirituall cutting off by Excommunication Defender All this the proofes of this in this Chapter I willingly consent and subscribe unto nor doth this touch any conclusion of mine at all much lesse Discusse or shake it For though I said indeed that for an erroneous and blinde Conscience even in Fundamentall and weighty Points It is not lawfull to persecute any till after Admonition once or twice according to Tit. 3.10.11 Yet in alledging that place to prove that Conclusion I intended no other persecution but the Churches prosecution against such an Heretick by excommunication no syllable in my conclusion looketh at more If it be said but Excommunication or any other Church-prosecution cannot fitly be called persecution Yes verily excommunication is a persecution and a lawfull persecution if the cause be just offence as the Angell of the Lord is said to persecute the wicked Psalm 35.6 But the Excommunication is a cruell and bitter persecution If it be without just cause and due order yea and the more greivous persecution by how much the more greivous it is to a Christian man to be excluded from the Communion of the Saints then to be banished from a civill Society sure it is the Lord Jesus accounteth it a persecution to his Disciples to be delivered up unto the Synagogues and to be cast forth out of the Synagogues Luk. 21.12 with Joh. 16.2 CHAP. 16. A Reply to his sixteenth Chapter touching To leration in Points of lesse moment Discusser For a third Position or Conclusion the Answerer gave this that in things of lesse moment whether Points of Doctrine or Worship If a man hold them forth in a spirit of Christian meeknesse and love though with zeale and constancy he is not to be persecuted but tolerated till God may be pleased to manifest his truth to him This conclusion I acknowledge to be the Truth of God yet 3. things are very observeable in the manner of laying it downe 1. That such a Person may be tolerated till God may be pleased to reveale his truth to him upon the same ground the Apostle calleth for meeknesse and Gentlenesse towards all men and towards such as oppose themselves 2. Tim. 2. because it may be God may give them repentance Hence a soule that is lively and sensible of Gods mercy cannot but be patient and gentle towards the Jewes towards the Turkes yea to all the severall sorts of Anti-Christians yea to the Pagans and to the wildest sort of the Sonnes of men who have not heard of the Father and of the Sonne c. Yea not onely be patient to such but also to pray for such yea and to endeavour their participation of the same grace and mercy Defender This nothing shaketh no nor so much as toucheth our cause or defence we thinke it unlawfull for the Church to censure such as are out of the Church And for the Civill State we know no ground they have to persecute Jewes or Turkes or other Pagans for cause of Religion though they all erre in Fundamentalls No nor would I exempt Anti-Christians neither from Toleration notwithstanding their Fundamentall Errors unlesse after conviction they still continue to seduce simple soules into their damnable and pernicious Heresies as into the Worship of false Gods into confidence of their owne merits for Justification into seditious conspiracyes against the lives and States of such Princes as will not submit their Consciences to the Bishop of Rome Which if the Discusser shall in the sequell pluck off as the silken covering of an Image as he calleth it we shall further attend him Discusser 2. I observe from the Scriptures he quoteth for this Toleration Phil. 3. Rom. 14. how closely yet I hope unadvisedly he maketh the Churches of Christ at Philippi and Rome all one with the Cities of Philippi and Rome c. Defender No such matter I never thought these Scriptures to belong at all to the Cities of Philippi or Rome Paul writeth to both the Churches not only to tolerate but to receive their weake brethren who dissent from them in matters of lesse moment but to the Cities I never read any Epistle of his Who would ever imagine the Discusser should be so farre transported beyond all bounds either of reason or truth or candor as to surmise the Answerer should conceive That what those Churches must not tolerate in their holy communion that the Cities of Philippi and Rome must not tolerate within the compasse
of the City State and Jurisdiction Discusser 3. From this Toleration of persons holding but lesser errors I observe the unmercifulnesse of such Doctrines and Hearts that he that is sleightly and but a little hurt shall be suffered meanes vouchsafed for his cure but the deep-wounded sinner the Leprous and Vlcerous c. must not be suffered untill peradventure God may give them Repentance c. Defender And why doth he not aswell observe the unmercifulnesse of such States and Lawes as suffer petty theives and liars to live in their Townes Cities but will not suffer willful murtherers violent robbers to live amongst them such as are tainted with lesser Errors and it may be whet them upon others they are but as petty theives and lyars but such as after conviction doe goe on to subvert the Foundation of Christian Religion and to subvert and destroy the soules of Gods People and stoutly robb them both of the meanes of Grace here and of the inheritance of glory hereafter they are worse then willfull murderers or violent robbers The Holy Ghost speaketh of false Teachers as bringing in damnable Heresies 2 Pet. 2.1 as overthrowing the faith of some 2 Tim. 2.18 as subverting their soules Acts 15.24 making merchandize of Gods People 2 Pet. 2.3 which being so me thinkes such as do more mischiefe are lesse tolerable then they that doe lesse It is true they that are more deeply wounded-sinners are more to be pittied suppose the depth of their wounds reach none but themselves but if they be infectious and Leprous and have Plague sores running upon them and thinke it their glory to infect others It is no want of mercy and charity to set such at a distance It is a mercilesse mercy to pitty such as are incureably contagious and mischeivous and not to pitty many scores or hundreds of the soules of such as will be infected and destroyed by the toleration of the other CHAP. 17. A Reply to his seventeenth Chapter touching the holding forth of Error with a boisterous and arrogant Spirit Discusser It is said by the Answerer He that holdeth forth Error with a boisterous and arrogant spirit to the disturbance of the Civill Peace he ought to be punished To this I have spoken too confessing that if any man commit ought of those things which Paul was accused of Acts 25.11 He ought not to be spared yea he ought not in such cases to refuse to die Defender I would not say That every man that holdeth forth Error in a a boisterous and arrogant spirit to the disturbance of Civill Peace ought to be punished with death This is too Bloudy a Tenet unlesse the boisterous Arrogancy were such as did disturbe the Civill Peace to the destruction of the lives and soules of men Discusser But if the matter be of a Spirituall and Divine nature I have written before in many cases and might in many more that the worship which a State professeth may be contradicted and preached against and yet no breach of Civill Peace c. Defender There is no Error that can be a matter of divine nature though it may be spirituall no such Points as are of a divine nature fall within the compasse of this dispute of persecution The many cases which the Discusser before wrote of are all of them allowed but none of them concerne holding forth of Errors which is the Point in hand Yet true it is that if a man hold forth Truth in some boisterous and arrogant way not with the Armour of the Spirit but with the Arme of flesh He may in so doing disturbe the Civill Peace and for such disturbance be justly punished according to the quality of the disturbance raised by him It is easily graunted what the Discusser further avoucheth that they doe break the Cities or Kingdomes Peace who cry out for Prisons and Swords against such who crosse their Judgements or Practise in Religion to wit unlesse their Religion be of God and the crossing of it be such as destroyeth and subverteth the Religion of God But when he saith such onely breake the Cities or Kingdomes Peace as call for Prisons and Swords against Hereticks It is too vast an Hyperbole as if Murderers Seditious Persons Rebells Traytors were none of them such as did breake the Cities or Kingdomes Peace at all but they onely who are too sharpe against corruptions in Religion It is also further easiely graunted which he alledgeth that many complaine most who are most in fault themselves as Josephs Mistresse of him The Lord helpe the Discusser to reflect upon his own way CHAP. 18. A Reply to his Eighteenth Chapter Examining the first Argument for Toleration from Mat. 13.30 38. Discusser First Mat. 13.30 38. Christ Commaundeth to let alone the Tares to grow up together with the wheat untill the Harvest Vnto which he Answereth That Tares are not Bryars and Thornes but partly Hypocrites like unto the Godly but indeed carnall as the Tares are like to the wheat but are not wheat or partly such corrupt Doctrines and Practises as are indeed unsound but yet such as come very neere the Truth as Tares doe to the wheat and so neere that good men may be taken with them and so the Persons in whom they grow cannot be rooted out but good wheat will be rooted out with them In such a case Christ calleth for Peaceable Toleration not for poenall Prosecution according to the third Conclusion But alas here is no evidence or demonstration of the Spirit nor argument from the place it selfe or from the Scriptures of Truth to prove such an Interpretation Defender Ans The Letter to which the Answer was given gave no reason of his exposition and who ever required more reason of an Answerer then of a Replyer 2. The Exposition I gave was consistent with that which the Letter gave Tares and wheat saith he some understand to be those that walke in the Truth and those that walke in lyes now when I say the tares are Hypocrites and some kind of corrupt Doctrines and Practises and such as walke in them are not these coincident with such as walke in lyes what need had I to give a reason of the exposition which he himselfe to whom the Answer was written acknowledgeth Discusser But those three Persons Doctrines and Practises are as a threefold cord and so a threefold strong snare to catch the feet of some or other Defender What hurt doe they get by being caught Hypocrites and corrupt Doctrines and Practises if they be found like unto good Christians or sound truthes what hurt doe they catch when I say such are to be tolerated to the end of the world But to prevent his feare of a threefold cord I shall easily acknowledge that which I meant that by Tares are meant such kinde of evill persons as are like unto the good whether they be Hipocrites men of unsound heartes or men of unsound Doctrines and Practises yet such as come neere the
Truth CHAP. 19. A Reply to his nineteenth Chapter Discusser That the Lord intendeth not Doctrines or Practises in this Parable It is cleare For 1. The Lord Jesus expresly interpreteth the good seed to be Persons those the children of the Kingdome The Tares also to signify men and those the children of the wicked one ver 38. Defender If the Discusser had cast his eye a little lower he might have found that Christ interpreteth the Tares not onely to be Persons but things 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 all things that offend as well as those that doe iniquity ver 41. But I shall not stick upon that at all let the Tares be Persons whether Hypocrites like unto true Christians or holders forth of scandalous and corrupt Doctrines and Practises like unto sound Discusser 2. Such corrupt Doctrines and Practises are not to be tolerated now as those Jewish observations were for a while Rom. 14. nor so long till the end of the world For can we think that though the Lord tendered the tender conscience of the Jews in the observation of the difference of meates and drinks which were sometimes his owne Ordinances that therefore Persons must be now tolerated in the Church for I speake not of the Civill State in superstitious forbearing and forbidding of flesh in Popish Lents and superstitious Fridayes c. Defender Who can tell what this Discusser would have The Tares he would have to be Persons not corrupt Doctrines and Practises And yet when he commeth to prove that corrupt Doctrines and Practises are not to be tolerated he proveth it from the unlawfulnesse of tolerating corrupt persons for can we thinke saith he that persons must be now tolerated in the Church in the superstitious forbearing or forbidding of flesh in Popish Lents and Fridayes Such is the inconstancy of the spirits of men whose hearts are not stayed and steered by the Spirit of Truth that sometimes Tares must not be corrupt Doctrines and Practises but persons because Tares and so persons must be tolerated till the Harvest not so corrupt Doctrines and Practises And yet all the reason given why corrupt Doctrines and Practises must not be tolerated is this because Persons that hold them forth must not be tolerated CHAP. 20. A Reply to his twentieth Chapter what is meant by Tares Discusser The Originall word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifying all those weeds which spring up with the Corne as cockle darnell Tares c. seemeth to imply such a kinde of people as are commonly and generally knowne to be manifestly differing from and opposite to the true Worshipers of God c. Defender 1. It is not true that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifyeth all those weeds that grow up with the Corne. For they be a speciall weed growing up cheifely amongst the wheat but when it commeth to the earing it groweth more like to Barley yet having a narrower leafe fatter and rougher and a leaner seed in a prickly barke bearing a purple flower as Dioscorides testifyeth Now this is farre from a description of all sorts of weeds that grow up with Corne. 2. Neither is it true that Tares are commonly and generally known assoone as they appeare For Hierom who for a time lived in Jury testifyeth that Inter triticum et zizania quod nos appellamus lolium quamdiu herba est et nondum culmus venit ad spicam grandis similitudo est et in discernendo aut nulla aut perdifficilis distantia Comment Mat. Cap. 13. Yea the Text it selfe though the Discusser deny it holdeth forth as much For the servants of the Husbandman in whose Feild the Tares were sowen by the enemy did not discerne the tares from the wheat till the blade was sprung up and brought forth fruit for then it was and not till then that the Tares appeared to be Tares Mat. 13.26 what though the Text holdeth forth no such time wherein the servants doubted or suspected what they were It is like enough they did not suspect them at all by reason of the grandis similitudo the great likenesse that was between them whilest they were both in the blade Which still maketh good the Exposition that Tares are not bryars and thornes but so like to the wheat that till they come to earing the one cannot be discerned from the other Discusser The one appeared as soone as the other and when the wheat put forth its blade and fruite the Tares were as early they put forth themselves and appeared also 2. There is such a dissimilitude and unlikenesse between them that as soone as Tares and wheat sprung up to blade and fruite every husbandman could tell which is wheat and which is Tares Defender It s true the Tares put forth their blade assoone as did the wheat and appeared above ground one as early as the other but they were so like one to an other that the husbandmen could not tell which was wheat and which Tares till the blade was growen up and they both brought forth their fruite And though when they both brought forth their fruite there was no apparent dimissilitude yet still it is evident that at first the dimssilitude did not appeare The Tares may therefore still stand for Hypocrites who are so like at first unto good Christians that they cannot easily be discerned one from another till in processe of time the difference of the fruite discover them Discusser But when was it that the House-holder gave charge to let them alone was it not after they appeared and were knowne to be Tares which should imply by this interpretation of the Answerer that when men are discovered and knowne to be Hypocrites yet still such a generation of Hypocrites in the Church must be let alone and tolerated untill the Harvest or end of the world which is contrary to all Piety order and safety in the Church of the Lord Jesus as doubtlesse the Answerer will graunt Defender If the Answerer know his owne minde as well as the Discusser doubtlesse the Answerer will not graunt that it is contrary to all piety and order and safety that hypocrites knowne hypocrites be tolerated in the Church till the end of the world For though it be against the safety of the Church when the Officers or body of the Church prove hypocrites for that threatneth a dis-churching Rev. 2.5 yet till the fruits of hypocrisie grow notoriously scandalous and ripe for Church-Censure it is not contrary to all piety and order safety to suffer them but rather more safety to suffer them least some of Gods own Saints true wheat who for a time may degenerate and bring forth like fruit with the Tares be plucked up with them If foolish Virgins be cast out of the Church the wise Virgins may be sometime found sleeping as well as they Mat. 25.5 CHAP. 21. A Reply to his Chap. 21. VVhat is meant by the world and more of the Tares Discusser 2. The Tares cannot signifie hypocrites in the Church for
of the mouth of the Lord Jesus for he shall begin to be consumed long before by all the seven vials of the wrath of God Revel 16. which have bin and will be in powring out many ages before the great Harvest of the end of the world Yea I beleive also He shall be destroyed many ages before then as the Apostle John foretelleth in Chap. 20.21.22 of the Revelation And though it be translated in 2 Thess 2.8 The Lord shall destroy him with the brightnesse of his coming yet the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 doth as well and more firstly signifie Presence then comming The Lord will destroy Antichrist with the brightnesse of his Presence in his sacred and Civill Ordinances sundry ages before the brightnesse of his comming to Judgement Otherwise we should set John Paul at variance who spake by one and the same Spirit of Truth CHAP. 27. A Reply to his 27. Chap. Discussing a doubt how Ministers may be bidden to let Antichristians alone in the Civill State Discusser If it be objected These servants whom the Householder commaundeth to let the Tares alone seeme to be Ministers or Messengers of the Gospell How shall it belong to them to plucke up the Tares or to let them alone if by the Feild be meant the world Ans The Apostles and in them all that succeed them received from the Lord a threefold charge 1. To let them alone and not to pluck them up by Prayer to God for their present temporall destruction 2. Not to prophecy or denounce a present destruction or extirpation of all false Professours of the Name of Christ T is true many soare and fearefull plagues are powred out upon the Roman Emperors and Roman Popes yet not to their utter extirpation untill the Harvest 3. Not to pluck them up by stirring up Civill Magistrates and powers to punish and persecute all such persons out of their dominions as worship not the true God according to his revealed will in Christ Jesus T is true Elijah thus stirred up Ahab to kill all the Preists and Prophets of Baal but that was in the figurative state of the Land of Canaan not to be matcht or paraled by any other State but the Spirituall State or Church of Christ in all the world putting the false Prophets Spiritually to death by the two-edged sword and power of the Lord Jesus as that Church of Israel did corporally Defender These 3. Interpretations of Let them alone are all of them so many evasions slippery evasions sought out by the subtile wit of man to winde out from under the Authority of the Truth and word of Christ For 1. Why should not the Ministers of Christ Pray either to pluck them up out of their Antichristian Idolatryes or else to pluck them up as the Plantations which our Heavenly Father hath not planted He that may Pray daily for the comming of Christs Kingdome He may and doth and ought to pray for the comming downe of all opposite Kingdomes The Saints under the Altar that prayed against the delay of vengeance on the Roman Emperors Revel 6.10 may more justly pray against the delay of vengeance on the Roman Antichrists What though the State of the Roman Antichristians was to continue for sundry ages before their finall extirpation Yet they were to expect vialls of Gods indignation to roote them out by a graduall extirpation in sundry of their cheife branches and pillars long before the extirpation of their whole Kingdome And what though the Saints in old Babell were to pray for the Peace of the City as wherein themselves might finde Peace Yet the Saints that live not in such Anâ—ichristian Territoryes they may safely pray for the hastning of the redemption of their brethren out of the Antichristian bondage and there withall pray for the hastning of the ruine and desolation of the Antichristian Kingdome Besides Certaine it is from the Word of Truth that the Antichristian Kingdome shall be destroyed and rooted up by Christian Princes and States long before the great Harvest of the end of the world as hath been shewen a bove And either such Princes must performe this great worke without Prayer and then it were not sanctified to God 1 Tim. 4.4 5. Or if it be a sacrifice sanctified to God they must pray for their desolation before they inflict it And all the seven Angells who powre out their vialls on the Antichristian State tending to the rooting of it out by degrees They either pray for the successe of the vengeance of their vialls or else they doe not powre them out in faith which were contrary to the spirit of such holy Saints who come out of the Temple opened in Heaven and are cloathed with pure and white linnen and have their breasts girded with golden girdles Rev. 15.6 2. If John the Apostle have Prophecied and denounced the destruction and extirpation of Antichristian Idolaters and their whole State why may not a Minister and Messenger of Christ according to the measure of light received open those Prophecyes and apply them with severe threatnings against thme and their State Yea but they may not apply or denounce them to their present destruction or extirpation Yes to the present destruction of some or other Antichristian Idolaters in every age though the State may continue wasting till the time appointed It might as truely be said the Ministers of Christ are forbidden to denounce present or speedy destruction to any murtherers whoremongers Tyrants extortioners because though some of them may fall under many sore and feareful plagues yet there will never want a company of such wicked doers till the Great Harvest the end of the world Besides what if a messenger of Christ should not denounce present destruction yet he cannot be said to let them alone who is hewing at them to bring them to destruction many yeares before It is not every stroake with an Axe that felleth an Oake it may be not an hundred not a thousand stroakes yet no stroake is lost that maketh way for the felling of it at the last Neither can he be said to let the Tree alone that striketh and heweth at it every day So he that heweth at the Antichristian State every day by Prayer and Preaching He doth not let it alone though it may stand many a yeare after It will fall the sooner and with more facility for every stroake 3. Nor can it be the meaning of Christ in commanding his Ministers to let the Tares alone to forbid them to stirr up Princes and States to the rooting out of Antichristian Idolaters and all such false worshippers as destroy the Truth and Religion of the Lord Jesus For amongst all the Angells that powred out their vials upon the Antichristian State it is not credible that none of them should be Messengers of the Gospell And when the ten Kings shall burne the City of Rome and leave it desolate and naked It is not credible
of it For may it not justly be conceived That the Lord therefore hid the place of his buriall least the Children of Israel knowing it might goe a whoring after his Sepulchre and it may be offer sweet incense upon it and so such false worship against the law of Moses might come to be Tolerated for honor to the body of Moses But Christ hath abolished a Nationall State or Church which Moses set up in Canaan Though Christ abolished a Nationall Church-State and instead thereof set up a Congregationall Church yet Christ never abolished a Nationall Civill State nor the Judiciall Lawes of Moses which were of Morall equity but established them rather in their place and order He that shed his own bloud to plant his Church did never abolish that Law which enacted that his bloud should be upon him who should supplant his Church If Christs bloud goe to plant it let the false Christs bloud goe for supplanting it Discusser In the King of Bohemias speech the Answerer passeth by that Foundation in grace and Nature that Conscienee ought not to be violated and forced it is a spirituall Rape Defender This was not passed by but prevented in stating the Question where it was said it is not lawfull to censure any no not for error in Fundamentall points of Doctrine or Worship till the Conscience of the offendor be first convinced out of the word of God of the dangerous error of his way and then if he still persist It is not out of Conscience but against his Conscience as the Apostle saith Tit. 3.11 so he is not persecuted for cause of Conscience but punished for sinning against his Conscience Discusser The King observeth that most lamentably true experience of all ages That persecution for cause of Conscience hath ever proved pernicious c. Defender No experience in any age did ever prove it pernicious to punish seducing Apostates after due conviction of the error of their way Wherein did the burning of Servetus prove pernicious to Geneva or the just execution of many popish Preists to Queene Elizabeth or to the english State But the Kings speech may passe if it be meant of persecution properly so called to wit Oppression of the faithfull for the Truths sake yea if it be the punishment of any for error If not Fundamentally pernicious either to Religion or Church-order and that after conviction of Conscience persisted in with obstinacy Discusser Lastly the Kings observation of his owne time that Persecution for cause of Conscience was practised most in England and such places where Popery reigned Implying as I conceive such practises commonly proceed from the great Whore whose Daughters are like their Mother all of a bloudy nature as commonly all wolves be Defender It is no marvell if I passed by this observation in the Kings speech For there is no such observation there to be found If the Discusser had well observed it himselfe he would have found it was not the speech of the King but of the Prisoner And the persecution he speaketh of was not of Antichristians or Hereticks or Idolaters but onely of such as the world nick-named Puritans or the like and of them too without conviction of the error of their way But in that the Discusser maketh England a Daughter of the great Whore and of a bloudy nature like her Mother he speaketh as some other of the rigid Seperation have done before him But I could never yet see awarrant from the rule either of Truth or Love for such a speech Did ever the holy Scripture call any Church an whore that worshipped the true God onely in the Name of Jesus and depended on him alone for righteousnesse and salvation Is it not the part of a base childe or at least a base pare of a childe to call his Mother whore who bred him and bred him to know no other Father but her lawfull Husband the Lord Jesus Christ CHAP. 60. A Reply to his 63. Chap. Discusser NOw Thirdly In that the Answerer observeth that amongst the Romane Emperors they that did not persecute were Julian the Apostate and Valens the Arian Whereas the good Emperors Constantine Gratian Valentian and Theodosius they did persecute the Arians and Donatists Let it be for an Answer It is no new thing for godly and eminently godly men to performe ungodly actions nor for ungodly persons for wicked ends to act what in it selfe is good and righteous c. Defender This may goe for a truth but not for an Answer The Letter would Justifie Toleration of Religion from the judgement and speeches of three Kings I Answered that was no Argument for I could bring him Kings more in number and greater in the sight of God and man who judged it meet not to tolerate Hereticks nor turbulent Schismaticks To this the Discusser Answereth sometimes the Godly doe that which is evill and the wicked that which is good This I say is a Truth but doth not take away my Answer but by a Petitio Principij a begging of the Question That Kings alledged by him did that which was good but the Kings alledged by me though better persons did that which was evill CHAP. 61. A Reply to his Chap. 64. Discusser THe unknowing zeale of Constantine and other Emperors did more hurt to Christ Jesus his Church and Kingdome then the raging fury of the most bloudy Neroes In the persecution of those wicked Emperors Christians were sweet and fragrant like spice pounded in Morters But those good Emperors persecuting some erroneous persons and advancing the Professors of some truthes and maintaining their Religion by the materiall Sword by this meanes Christianity was eclipsed The Professors of it fell asleepe Cant. 5. Babel was usher'd in and by degrees the Churches of the Saints were turned into the Wildernesse of whole Nations Rev. 12.13 untill the whole world became Christian or Christendome Those good Emperors intending to exalt Christ but not attending to the command of Christ Jesus to permit the Tares to grow in the Field of the world they made the Garden of the Church and Field of the world all one c. Defender If the unknowing zeale of Constantine other Christian Emperors did more hurâ— to the Church then the raging fury of bloudy Neroes It was not because the raging fury of those Persecutors was more accepted of God then this unknowing zeale of the good Emperors For though the unknowing zeale of the one was finfull yet it was the friut of humane frialty Error Amoris But the rage of the others was divelish fury Amor Erroris Besides the unknowing zeale of the good Emperors lay not in punishing notorious Hereticall Seducers nor will the Discusser be ever able to shew that the Church of Christ suffered any hurt at all by that meanes The contrary is evident Constantius and Valens by Tolerating and favoring the Arians the whole world became Arian Ingemuit orbis Christianus et miratus est factum se esse Arianum
Religion may not be propagated by the civill Sword Vnto which I Reply what meaneth then this passage in his first Answer to the former speeches of the Kings viz. We acknowledge that none is to be constrained to believe or professe the true Religion till he be convinced in Judgement of the Truth of it Defender If it be observed my Agreement with Hilary then let it be observed that the Discusser in whetting the words of the Authors of the Letter against us layeth a false charge upon us as if we maintained such persecution for cause of Conscience as is condemned by the Ancient Writers Of whom Hilary is named for one and for the first and yet in the Discussion it is found that we agree with him In that Answer to the speeches of the Kings when I acknowledged that none was to be constrained to beleive or professe the true Religion till he be convinced of the Truth of it I did not meane that after he was convinced he might then be constrained with civill censfures for neither beleiving nor professing to beleive is to be constrained with civill censures But yet thus farre he may be constrained by withholding such countenance and favour from him such encouragement and employment from him as a wise and discerning Prince would otherwise grant to such as beleive the Truth and professe it so far as they are convinced of it in Judgement and Conscience For such as will not walke according to their Light are neither trusty servants to God nor man Discusser That Answer to the speech of the Kings implyeth two things 1. That the civill Magistrate who is to constraine must judge of all the Consciences of their Subjects whether they be convinced or no. 2. That when the civill Magistrate discerneth that his Subjects Consciences are convinced then he may constraine them vi armis hostilely And accordingly who knoweth not what constraint lyeth upon all Consciences in Old and New-England to come to Church and to pay Church-Duties which is upon the point though with a Sword of a finer gilt and trim in New-England nothing else but that which he confesseth Hilary saith should not be done to wit a Propagation of Religion by the Sword Defender Neither of both these things are implyed in that Answer Not the first that the civill Magistrate must then Judge of all of the Consciences of their Subjects whether they be convinced or no For it implyeth no more then that he is not to constraine them till he see they be convinced If he never see them convinced he is to see they be never constrained But how far the Magistrate may discerne and judge in matters of Religion hath been spoken above Nor the second For the constraint I spake of was not by positive meanes vi Armis but negative withholding such trust and employment from such as he seeth are not faithfull and trusty to their God of whose Truth they are convinced and yet withhold it in unrighteousnesse I know no constraint at all that lieth upon the consciences of any in New-England to come to Church neither doe I know that any scruple lyeth upon any Conscience in New-England that withholdeth any from hearing the word amongst us But least of all doe I know that any are constrayned to pay Church-duties in New-EnglaÌ„d Sure I am none in our own Town neither Church-members nor other are constrained to pay any Church-duties at all What they pay they give voluntarily each one with his owne hand without any constraint at all but their owne will as the Lord directs them Discusser Againe although he confesseth that Propagation of Religion ought not to be by the Sword yet he maintaineth the use of the Sword when persons in the Judgment of the Civill State for that is implyed shall blaspheme the true God and the true Religion and also seduce others to damnable Heresie and Idolatry Defender True but this is not the Propagation of Religion but the preservation of it or if it doe conduce to Propagation it is onely removendo probibens CHAP. 67. A Reply to his Chap. 70. Discussing the Testimony of Tertullian Discusser TO Tertullian the Answerer giveth the like Answer Tertullians Intent saith he is onely to restraine Scapula the Romane Governour of Africa from persecuting the Christians for not offering Sacrifice to their Heathen Gods and for that end fetcheth an Argument from the Law of Naturall Equity not to compell any to any Religion but to permit them to beleive or not to beleive at all Which we acknowledge we judge the English may permit the Indians to continue in their unbeliefe Neverthelesse it will not therefore be lawfull to tolerate the publick worship of Devils or Idols in a Christian State or the seduction of any from the Truth In this passage he agreeth with Tertullian but it is well known that in New-England they not onely permit the Indians to continue in their unbeleife which they cannot help but they also permit or tolerate them in their Paganish worship which cannot be denyed to be a worshipping of Devils And therefore consequently according to the same practise did they walke by Rule and impartially not onâ—â— the Indians but their Countrymen French Dutch Spanish Per … Turkes Jewes should also be permitted in their Worships if correspondent in civill obedience Defender It is not true that the New-English doe tolerate the Indians who have submitted to the English protection and Government in their worship of Devils openly What the Indians doe that are not under the English Government the English have no warrant from God or Law of Nations to restraine them nor is it in the power of the English to restraine the private Worship which some of the Indians under the English Government may possibly adhere unto the this day What courses have been used to bring them on to Civility and to the knowledge of our Religion by faire meanes are not pertinent to the present controversie to relate It hath been an Article of the Covenant between such Indians as have submitted to our Government that they shall submit to the ten Commandements which they thought reasonable Some of their Sachims young children are brought up with us and trained up to knowledge Such of them as come to our Houses are fed with curtesie and care taken often to instruct them as farre yea further then they are greatly willing to heare Some of them of late frequent our markets to get mony by selling Fish Baskets whortleberries Cramberries which taketh them off from some idlenesse Some English are studious of the Indian Language to deale with them in their owne Tongue Of late some of our Ministers have preached to a Congregation of them whil'st others at first interpreted what was preached but since one of our Ministers preacheth to them in their owne Language The other day whil'st I was at the Colledge with other Elders an Indian from Plimmouth side an hopefull youth was received into some employment in
according to their Conscience and beleife and constraine them to such worships which their own soules tell them they have no satifaction nor faith in 1. It is an untruth that either we restraine men from worship according to Conscience or constraine them to worship against Conscience or that such is my Tenent and practise 2. Though it were true that wee did both yet this did not make Lawes to binde Conscience but the outward man onely nor would we thinke it meet to binde the ontward man against Conscience Discusser Againe where as the Answerer affirmeth That men may make Lawes to see the Lawes of God observed I Answer As God needs not the help of a materiall Sword of Steele to assist the Sword of the Spirit in the affairs of Conscience so those men those Magistrates yea the Common-wealth which makes such Magistrates must needs have power and Authority from Christ Iesus to sit Iudge and to determine in all the great Controversies concerning Doctrine Worship Government c. Defender God needeth not the help of a materiall Sword of Steele to assist the Sword of his Spirit of righteousnesse in the dutyes of the second Table no more then to assist the Sword of the Spirit of holynesse in the dutyes of the first Table The Law of Righteousnesse is as fully and plainly written by the Spirit of God in the hearts and Consciences of men as is the Law of holynesse yea and more too And yet the Discusser doth not for ought I know make it a needlesse matter for God to accept the helpe of the materiall Sword to assist the Spirit of Righteousnesse in the affaires of Conscience which pertaine to the second Table The truth is God needeth not the Arme of flesh to help him that is he needeth not any help which the wisdome or strength of the creature can invent or bring forth which himselfe appointed not But yet God thinkes it no dishonour to himselfe to make use of his owne Ordinances in their owne bounds to his owne ends Nor doeth he then need them when he useth them but wee need such helps for the performance of our duty both to God and man Which made it a cursed sin in Meroz not to come out to help the Lord Iudge 5 23. Nor will it hence follow that such Magistrates as are chosen to help forward the work of God in matters of Religion that either themselves or the Common-wealth that chooseth them must needs have power and Authority from Christ to sit Iudge and to determine in all great controversies of Religion in Doctrine Discipline and Government It is enough that they are called of God to be wise and learned in the service of Christ and in the wayes of his Kingdome Psal 2.10 11 12. which if they have learned they ought to rule with him and for him or else how shall it be fulfilled which is written of them The Kingdomes of the world are become the Kingdomes of the Lord and of his Christ and he shall reigne for ever Rev. 7.15 Yea in this case it is learning enough if they know the Principles and Foundations of Religion and can discerne the Arrogancy of a tumultuous spirit after conviction For such want not judgement to censure Apostacy to Heresie in doctrine to Idolatry in worship to Tyranny in Government Discusser But then I aske whether upon this ground it must not evidently follow that then either there is no Common-wealth nor Civill State of men in the world that is not qualified with this discerning and then the Common-wealth hath more light concerning the Church then the Church it selfe Or that the Common-wealth and Magistrates thereof must judge and punish as they are perswaded in their owne beleife and Conscience be their Conscience Paganish Turkish or Antichristian And what is this but to confound Heaven and Earth together and to take away not onely the being of Christianity out of the world but all civility yea the world out of the world and to lay all upon heaps of confusion Defender See what strange effects a strong fancy can produce would you not think it must be some strange and strong paradox that if it be graunted shall produce such strange and strong effects as to take away the being of Christianity out of the world yea and all civility yea and the world out of the world But when men have slept a while and strong fancyes are evaporated the world will stand where it is and civility stand in the world and Christianity in civility I say therefore that which no sober minde can contradict that though Magistrates be bound to become wise and learned to know Christ and to establish the Religion of Christ yet it will not as the Discusser saith evidently follow no nor follow at all That then there is no law full Commonwealth nor Civill State of men in the world which is not qualified with this spirituall discerning For though it be the duty of Civill States thus to be qualified yet their want of such qualifications doth not make them unlawfull States Many due qualifications are required in Husbands Wives Children Servants Magistrates Churches the want of which maketh them defective and sinfull but doth not make them unlawfull This will need no proofe to any sober minde Muchlesse will it follow upon the former Premises that the very Common-wealth hath then more light concerning the Church of Christ then the Church it selfe For it is a weake Church that knowes no more light then Principles And what light the Common-wealth hath it may have received from the Church Howsoever the Magistrates power to establish the Religion of Christ doth no way inferre That he that establisheth that Religion which is professed in the Church hath more light concerning that Religion or any part of it then the Church it selfe Albeit it is not impossible nor is it absurd that sometime the Magistrate may have more light in matters of Religion then the Church it selfe David for ought wee read was the first that discerned the disorder in Carting the Arke of God 1 Chron. 15.2 And Hezekiah was the first that prevented the Preists and Levits and the whole Church in the worke of Reformation from the Apostacy of Ahaz 2 Chron. 29.4 to 11. But there is no colour of consequence that because Magistrates are bound to discerne and know the will of Christ and to serve him with their power That therefore such as have no discerning of Christ nor of his holy will That they should punish and destroy Christ and Christians and seeke only to advance their owne Religion which is but Idolatry and Superstition CHAP. 70. A Reply to his Chap. 73. Discussing the Testimony of Luther Discusser LUthers Testimony saith the Answerer reacheth to two things neither of which we deny First that the Government of the civill Magistrate reacheth no further then to the bodies and goods of their Subjects not over their soules and therefore they may not undertake to give Lawes
words accordingly so much false dealing For 1. Admonition is one thing Conviction in their owne Conscience is another For though Admonition ought not to be dispensed till after conviction yet it may fall out that the Church through mistake proceedeth to Admonition before the Offender be convinced in his own Conscience of the sinfulnesse of his way 2. He carrieth my words as if they who yeeld not to once or twice Admonition must needs be esteemed obstinate persons whereas I onely say they will not persist in Heresie that is in obstinacy of Fundamentall Error nor in turbulent Schisme when they are convinced in Conscience of the sinfulnesse thereof 3. He propoundeth my words generally as if I had said that godly persons in whatsovever Error they hold if they yeeld not to once or twice Admonition they must needs be esteemed obstinate whereas I spake not of every Error but of persisting in Heresie and turbulent Schisme But you may see how farre the love of an Error and desire of contention will transport the minde and spirit The two stories that he telleth upon this occasion in his next words because he nameth neither time nor persons nor occasions of the speeches which he representeth as odious a short Answer will serve to them 1. I have too much experience of the Discussers mistakes of permanent Printed words and therefore am affraid to credit every report of transient words spoken without further Testimony 2. The words might be spoken by some persons concerning others upon such occasions as I will by no meanes excuse or justifie but they might be spoken upon such weights as might justly hold weight in the Ballance of the Sanctuary The latter part of my Answer which he saith cometh not neere the Question I now understand so much by the Discusser but it did not so appeare to me by the Author of the Letter Discusser Mr. Cotton concludeth with a consident perswasion of having removed the grounds of that great Error viz. that persons are not to be persecuted for cause of Conscience Defender How hard a thing is it to write against the Truth and yet to speake with a lip of Truth Compare the words of my conclusion with the Discussers relation or representation thereof The words of my conclusion were these Thus much I thought needfull to be spoken for the avoyding of the grounds of your Error 1. Then let him speake what words of mine doe expresse the confidence of my perswasion It is true I belâ—ive and therefore speake what I have written but wherein did I blow up my beleife to a confident perswasion I thank God I doubt not of the truth of what I have written but it is one thing what I conceive in my minde another thing what I thinke meet to expresse 2. I doe not say in this conclusion that I have removed the grounds of his Error but that I have spoken so much for that end but whether I have done it or no according to the helpe of Christ received I leave others to judge 3. The name of a great Error is foisted in by himselfe ad exaggerandam gloriationis invidiam et indignitatem but though the Error be indeed great yet I did not so stile it when I spake of mine owne endeavour to remove the grounds of it 4. It is an evident falshood that I should conclude This to be that great Error That persons are not to be persecuted for cause of Conscience For it is that which in stating the Question I did in expresse termes deny that any was to be persecuted for cause of Conscience no not an Heretick no not in a Church-way much lesse in a civill way till being convinced in his owne Conscience of his wickednesse he do stand out therein not only against the Truth but against the light of his owne Conscience that so it may appeare he is not persecuted for cause of Conscience but punished for sinning against his Conscience Onely this I now further adde which I know not whether I had not occasion to speake to in this Discourse hitherto unlesse in a touch that sometime it may be an aggravation of sinne both in judgement and practise that a man holdeth it or committeth it in Conscience But that is onely in case when a man hath been wonted to sin so oft against his light and against the cleare Principles of Truth and godlinesse that it may appeare the just curse of God hath given him up to a reprobate-blinded-minde and seared Conscience But of that wee have not had occasion to dispute in this Discourse Discusser But I beleive it shall appeare That the charge of Error Reboundeth backc even such an Error as may be called the Bloudy-Tenent Defender I hope It hath by this time appeared in the former dispute through the blessing of Christ That that which he calleth the Bloudy-Tenent is washed white in the bloud of the Lambe and tendeth both to the ends for which the Prince of peace dyed viz. To the saving of his sheep from devouring to the dissolving of the cursed works of Satan to the maintenance of his Truth and to the preservation of sacred and civill peace both in Churches and Common-wealth CHAP. 78. A Reply to his Chap. 81. Defender TO the last Chapter of the Discusser I thinke it not worth the while to speake any thing it consisting cheifly of the Discussers selfe-applauses and vaine-glorious Triumphs As that he knoweth That the God the Spirit and Prince the Angells of peace and that all the true awaked sonnes of peace will call the Truth be meaneth this Doctrine of Toleration held forth by himselfe blessed That the contemplations thereof are sweet and pretious but Ob how sweet the actions and Fruitions That these lips of Truth to wit distilling in his Pen drop as the honey Combe Honey and milke are under her Tongue and oh that these drops these streames might flow without interruption Onely one passage of his glorious boasting I may not let passe without some Animad version because the Name of Christ is interested in it and dishonoured by it Discusser Were I saith he beleived in this That Christ is not delighted with the bloud of men but shed his owne bloud for his bloudyest enemies That by the word of Christ No man for gainsaying Christ or joyning with his enemy Antichrist should be molested with the Civill sword were this foundation laid and the Magna Charta of highest Liberties and good security given on all hands for the preservation of it How soone would every Brow and House be stuck with Olive Branches Whether this be not to Conclude with confident perswasion the same and farre greater then that which he noted in me even now I matter not Let him reserve conclusions with confident perswasions to himselfe alone Had he ground from the eternall word of Truth for such confidence It would never trouble me nor hurt him But this is not pleasing to Christ nor to the Spirit of his
cruell and crying sinne but if it be not proved nor true the false accusation is a grievous Persecution even a cruell mocking But I shall referre the tryall of his accusation to the place himselfe appointed where he giveth Instance of the cause of his sufferings Meane while let him suspend his Marginall note That it is a monstrous Paradox that Gods children should Persecute Gods children and they that hope to live eternally with Christ Jesus in Heaven should not suffer each other to live in this common ayre together For though Gods children may not persecute Gods children nor wicked men neither for well-doing yet if the children of God be found to walke in the way of the wicked their sinne is the greater because they sinne against greater light and grace and their Brethren in Place may justly afflict them for it to deprive them in some cases not onely of the common ayre of the Countrey by banishment but even of the common ayre of the world by death yet hope to live eternally with them in the Heavens with Christ Jesus Yea what if a child of God were infected with a plague-sore or some other contagious disease may not their Brethren exclude them the common ayre both of their religious and Civill Assemblies and yet hope to live eternally with them in the Heavens Truely there be some unsound and corrupt opinions and practises and that of him too which are more infectious and contagious then any plague-sore That other Marginall note of his What Christ Persecute Christ in New-England calleth for another Answer Christ doth not persecute Christ in New-England For Christ doth not persecute any at all to speake in the proper sence of Persecution much lesse doth Christ persecute Christ For though Christ may and doth afflict his own members yet he doth not afflict much lesse persecute Christ in them but that which is left of old Adam in them or that which is found of the seed of the Serpent in them For even Satan may fill the heart of Church-members Acts 5.3 Yea breathe and act in an Elect Apostle Mat. 16.22 23. And then the Lord Jesus may afflict in his members that which he seeth in them nor of his own But he proceeds and asks further Since Mr. Cotton expecteth farre greater light then yet shineth whether upon the same grounds and practise if Christ Jesus in any of his servants shall be pleased to hold forth a farther light shall he himselfe find the mercy and humanitie of a Civill and temporall life and being with them Answ The greatest light that I expect is not above the Word much lesse against it nor is it destructive to the Church and Ordinances of Christ established according to the Word but instructive of them in the way of the word If therefore Christ Jesus shall come in any of his servants holding forth a further light to us we trust that he that offereth us light will give us as hitherto he hath done eyes to see it and hearts to follow it Light is discernable through the Grace of the Father of Lights by the children of light The Spirit of the Prophets is discerned and judged by the Prophets Wisdome is just fied of her Children When Judgement returneth to Righteousnesse all the upright in heart shall follow it The Sheep of Christ that see his face will see his Light and heare his voyce his Spirit of Truth will lead them into all truth And yet because we all know in part and Prophecy in part we are taught of God in meeknesse of wisdome to instruct one another till light of Instruction be obstinately rejected and to suffer one another in differences of weaknesse till weaknesse prove wilfulnesse and will not suffer Truth to live in Peace But what is all this to Mr. Williams Hath he therefore not found the mercy and humanity of Civill and temporall life and being amongst us because Christ Jesus held forth by him a further light unto us So it should seeme or else his Quaere is nothing to the purpose surely if it be a further light which is held forth by him it is such a transcendent light as putteth out all other lights in the world besides as they say Majus lumen extinguit minus The Churches of Christ have been wont to be counted lights the Ministery lights the Sacraments and Censures lights But this new light held forth by Mr. Williams hath put out all these lights yea and all possibilitie of their shining forth againe till the Restitution of new Apostles And yet if he had held forth any light from the word of light to manifest this great new light to us truly I hope the Lord would give us hearts not to shut our eyes against the light but to follow the Lambe whithersoever he goeth and to follow the light of his word whithersoever it leadeth us Christian Magistrates they also have been wonted to be counted the light of Israel and Oaths likewise have been thought to give light to discerne the end of all Controversies But by this new light we may not accept from the Patents of Princes any light or direction where to sit downe with their warrant and leave in forreine Plantations Neither may we make use of the light of Oaths between Magistrates and people to discerne of the fidelity and constancy of the one to the other in times of danger Where then shall his Marginall Note appeare Mr. Cotton saith he expecting more light must according to his way of Persecution Persecute Christ Jesus if he bring it Doth Mr. Williams hold me so farre forsaken of common sence as to frustrate and destroy mine own expectations If I expect more light must I according to mine own way needs Persecute him that brings it yea persecute Christ himselfe if he bring it But thus when a mans head runneth round he thinketh all the House runneth round about him But what is my way of Persecution according to which I expecting more light must needs persecute him that brings it It is but a few dayes agoe since there came to my hand a book published as is said by Mr. Williams and entituled The Bloudy Tenent In which Mr. Williams without my privity published a private Letter of mine and therewith a Confutation of it touching Persecution for cause of Conscience In my stating of that Question which he relateth in the 7th Page of that Book he declareth my Judgement to be so farre from persecuting any for cause of Conscience that he layeth it downe for my first Conclusion That it is not lawfull to persecute any for Conscience sake rightly informed that is to say bringing more and true light 2. For an erroneous and blind Conscience even in fundamentall and weighty Points it is not lawfull to persecute any till after Admonition once or twice according to the Apostles direction Tit. 3.10 11. That so such a man being convinced of the dangerous error of his way if he still persist being condemned of
himselfe ver 11. it may appeare he is not persecuted for Cause of Conscience but for sinning against his own Conscience 3. In things of lesse moment whether Points of Doctrine or worship if a man hold them forth in a spirit of Christian meeknesse and love though with zeale and constancy he is not to be persecuted but tolerated till God may be pleased to manifest his Truth to him Phil. 3.17 Rom. 14.11 12 13 14. 4. But if a man hold forth or professe any error or false way with a boysterous and arrogant spirit to the disturbance of Civill Peace he may justly be punished according to the measure of the disturbance caused by him This is that way of Persecution which Mr. Williams expresseth to be mine In all which I durst appeale to Mr. Williams his own Conscience were it not Leavened with over-deepe prejudice whether in all this way there be any crevise opening a doore for the Persecution of Christ himselfe bringing further light Let no man take it amisse that in the Parenthesis I intimate the Conscience of Mr. Williams in this case to be leavened with overmuch prejudice For if extreme prejudice were not predominant in him in this case I should stand amazed how a man of understanding could out of such Conclusions make up this Inference which he gives in the Title of the Chapt. pag. 7. That I doe professedly maintaine Persecution for Cause of Conscience I that doe expresly professedly deny Persecution of any even of Hereticks unlesse it be when they come to persist in heresie after conviction against conscience how can I be said to maintaine Persecution for Cause of Conscience But oh the wofull perversenesse and blindnesse of a Conscience when it is left of God to be so farre transported with prejudice as to judge a Cause of Conscience and a cause against Conscience to be all one For the shutting up of his Chapter he is pleased to Comment upon a phrase in my Letter wherein I styled my selfe a man of uncircumcised lips And he doth acknowledge it to be an holy Character of an heavenly Spirit to make an ingenuous and true acknowledgement of an uncircumcised lip Yet saith he that discerning Spirit which God graciously vouchsafeth to them that tremble at his Word shall finde that not onely the will-worships of men may be painted and varnished over with the glittering shew of Humilitie Colos 2. but even Gods dearest servants eminent for humility and meeknesse may yet be troubled with a swelling of spirituall pride out of the very sence of their humilitie c. Humilitie is never in season to set up superstition or persecute Gods children Answ I could intreat some or other of Mr. Williams his acquaintance whose words may finde better acceptance with him then mine doe to perswade him not to attribute too much to his own Spirit of discerning which though he truely saith God doth vouchsafe to them that tremble at his word yet I never read nor heard that God did vouchsafe a Spirit of discerning to any that are so farre from trembling at the word that they doe not vouchsafe to heare the word from the mouth of so many thousand faithfull Ministers of the Gospel As for me I desire not to neglect any word from the mouth of Mr. Williams upon what pretence soever spoken that putteth me in minde of spirituall pride arising out of the very sence of humilitie Such smiting shall not breake my head But when he concludeth with this Aphorisme Humilitie is never in season to set up superstition or to persecute Gods children I desire it may be considered what is Superstition what is Persecution and whether my Letter unto him tended to set up the one or to set forward the other Superstition is properly cultus supra statutum which I speake not from the Etymology of the word for I know Latinists doe otherwise derive it but from the nature of the thing And what is Persecution It hath been answered above the affliction of any for their Righteousnesse sake If it appeare in the sequele that my Letter tended either to set up any worship of God which he hath not appointed or to afflict any for their Righteousnesse sake then I will confesse it tended to set up Superstition and Persecution And the humilitie which he acknowledgeth to be expressed in my Letter I shall acknowledge to be out of season Meane while Affirmanti incumbit Probatio To CHAP. II. His second Chapter is spent in answering to a double charge which he saith he observeth I laid against him Though in very Truth I layd neither of them downe as charges against him but as discharges to my selfe from expecting that He should vouchsafe to hearken to my voyce who had refused to hearken both to the voyce of the body of the whole Church of Salem whereof he was a member and to the voyces of so many Elders and brethren of other Churches But suppose I did charge him with a double sinne in refusing to hearken to this double voyce though I did not say it was a sinne how doth he discharge himselfe For neglect of the former he excuseth himselfe by the charge of his Office which lay upon him on a Fast-day to discover to them eleven publick sinnes as causes of the present and publick calamities Which most of the Church seemed at first to assent unto untill afterwards the greater part of the Church whether for feare of Persecution or otherwise was swayed and bowed to practise such things which with sighes and groanes many of them mourned under But will this indeed discharge an Elder of the Church before the Lord from coming into the presence of the Church when they send for him because the greater part of them are bowed and swayed for feare of Persecution to slip and slide and to say and practise that which with sighes and groanes they mourned under Why then if the Wolfe come and scatter the sheepe and they slip out of the way let the Shepheard fly and leave them that the word of the Lord Jesus might be fulfilled He that is an Hireling and not the Shepheard whose own the sheepe are not he seeth the Wolfe coming and leaveth the sheepe and fleeth and the Wolfe catcheth them and scattereth the sheepe Joh. 10.12 Or will it goe for currant Doctrine before the Lord that if the greater part of a Church fall through feare or otherwise into sinne and such a sinne which they mourne under with sighes and groanes and which in it selfe is not hainous that then they doe ipso facto cease to be a Church and utterly to be cast out Why then let the Covenant between the Lord and his Church be no more reputed any branch of the Covenant of Grace but let it stand and fall as a Covenant of workes But surely if the greater part of the Church were gone astray I should think it would well become the faithfulnesse of a Church-Elder to hasten to them specially when he
of their Parishionall Churches but onely the falsenesse of the Power from whence their Ministery is derived to wit from Episcopall Ordination But the Examiner is much mistaken if he take us to conceive or if he himselfe conceive that the Power of the Ministeriall calling is derived from Ordination whether Episcopall or Presbyteriall or Congregationall The Power of the Ministeriall Calling is derived chiefly from Christ furnishing his servants with Gifts fit for the Calling and nextly from the Church or Congregation who observing such whom the Lord hath gifted doe elect and call them forth to come and helpe them For from that ground Paul and Silas to use the words of the Text assuredly gathered that the Lord had called them to preach the Gospel to the Macedonians Acts 16.9 10. to wit because a man of Macedonia in the name of the rest had called unto them to come into Macedonia and helpe them Pastor and flock are Relatives and Relatives doe consist ex mutuâ alterius affectione Their mutuall acceptance of one another is the essentiall cause of their Relation Ordination is but adjunctum consummans as Dr. Ames rightly observeth of the Ministers Calling the Relation between him and the people was truly wrought before As the Coronation of the Prince is not that which giveth the Essency of his Princely Calling but Election by the People where the Government is Elective so neither is Ordination that which giveth Essence to the Ministers Calling but the peoples choice Ordination by Imposition of Episcopall hands doth pollute an Adjunct of the Ministers calling to wit the solemnitie of it but doth not destroy the essence or nature of it much lesse derive a false power to it to evacuate the true The third Falshood which the Examiner chargeth upon the English-Parish-Churches is the False worship And truly whatsoever hath been corrupt in their worship whether Prescript Liturgies or undue Honour put upon Saints or Angels in denominating Dayes or Temples after them and such times and places dedicated to God which he never required and what ever other Devices of like nature I had rather bewaile before the Lord then excuse or justifie before men And I should thinke it had been a better service to God and his Churches and a greater comfort to the soule of the Examiner to have expressed particularly what the false worship had been which he beareth witnesse against and to have cleared wherein their falshood lyeth rather then to have rested in condemning all false worships in overly Generalities and especially at such a time when through mercy the State is set upon Reformation and calleth for light He that shall cry out against all false wayes in Travels by Land and exclaime against all Rocks and Quick-sands by Sea and give no particular notice where they lye what helpe doth he afford to the carefull Passenger or Marriner either by Land or Sea When Trumpets give such an uncertain and obscure sound who shall prepare themselves to avoyd the danger on the one hand or on the other But for the present two things would I say touching the point in hand 1. It is not every corruption in worship that denominateth the worship to be false worship It was doubtlesse a corrupt worship to Sacrifice in the High Places yet God doth not call it a false worship but rather seemeth to accept it as done to himselfe 2 Kings 33.17 False worship to speake properly is as good as no worship nor is the God of Truth wont to accept that which is false But there may be many aberrations in the manner of worship when yet both the object of the worship is the true God and the substance of the worship is true worship and God may accept that which is Truth from an honest and true heart and passe by many aberrations as infirmities and not reject all as falsities The second thing I would say is That whatsoever we have discerned to be corrupt or irregular in the worship of God we have beleeved it to be our duty both to judge our selves for it before the Lord and to reforme it in our practise If any shall discover any further failings in our worship or in the worship of those Churches whom wee communicate with I hope the Lord will not shut our eyes against the light The fourth Falshood which the Examiner chargeth upon the English-Churches is false Government which if he meane the Government of the Parishes by the godly Ministers with whom our people communicate in hearing that Government is chiefly administred by the publick Preaching of the Gospel and by private admonition Which he that shall challenge it to be a false Government though it may be defective in some Directions verily the spirit of Truth and Grace in those who are governed and led by it from darknesse to light from the Power of Satan unto God from a state of Grace to assured hopes of eternall Glory in Christ Jesus will convince all such slanderous tongues of notorious falshood But if he speake of the Nationall-Church-Government we must confesse the Truth there indeed Truth is fallen and falshood hath prevailed much For whether we speake of the Hands by which that Government hath been administred or of the Ecclesiasticall Courts in which it is administred or of the Rule according to which it is administred or of the End for which it is administred All of them are forsaken of Truth and can challenge no warrant of Truth but falsly The Hands by which that Government hath been administred are the Prelacy and their Servitors who though they have of late challenged Institution by Divine Right yet the claime is utterly false The Divine Authoritie hath none to attend upon Rule and Government in the Church but such as are inferior to Pastors and Teachers in Congregations who labour in Word and Doctrine 1 Tim. 5.17 Diocesan Bishops in the dayes of the Gospel are like Kings in Israel in the dayes of the Judges both of them wanting Divine Institution What a pity is it that some men eminent for Piety and Preaching and others for learning and moderation should come to be as Jothams Parable speaketh advanced over their Brethren and so leave their fatnesse and sweetnesse and fruitfulnesse wherewith they had been wont to serve both God and man The Ecclesiasticall Courts in which that Government is administred are like the Courts of the High Priests and Pharisees which Solomon by a spirit of Prophecy styleth Dens of Lyons Mountaines of Leopards Cant. 4.8 And those who have had to doe with them have found them Markets of the sinnes of the People the Cages of uncleannesse the forgers of Extortion the Tabernacles of Bribery The Rule according to which the Government is administred is not the word of God which alone is able to make a Church-Governour perfect to every good worke 2 Tim. 1.17 but in stead thereof the Canon Law the Decretalls of Antichrist and most unworthily and falsly applyed to the Government of
those words Come out of Babel my People locall separation be intended yet when he addeth Lest yee be partakers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 her sinnes I beleeve spirituall separation is much more required and locall separation as a meanes the better to attaine that end of spirituall separation from partaking in her sinnes Which may also cleare the meaning of the Text and the fraud of the Examiner For the words are not as he alledgeth them Come out of Babel my people Partake not of her sinnes For so the latter part might be an 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or explanation of the former Coming out of Babel might be all one with Partake not of her sinnes But the words of the Text be Come out of her my People that yee be not partaker of her sinnes Which plainly argueth that coming out of Babel locally is a meanes to prevent partaking in her sinnes spiritually It is true which he saith The Lord Jesus hath broken downe all difference of Places Joh. 4. and all difference of Persons Acts 10. To wit in regard of ceremoniall pollution or ceremoniall holinesse But if he thinke there is no difference between one Citie or Countrey more then another in morall pollutions of Idolatry superstition unrighteousnesse and uncleannesse he maketh himselfe a greater stranger both to the Word and to the world then I did thinke he had been The two causes of Gods Indignation against England which he suggesteth are worthy due consideration and attention I would rather say Amen to them then weaken the weight of them Onely I should so assent to the latter as not to moove for a Toleration of all Dissenters Dissenters in Fundamentalls and that out of obstinacy against conscience and Seducers to the perdition of soules and to the disturbance of Civill and Church-Peace but onely of such Dissenters as vary either in matters of lesse weight or of fundamentall yet not out of wilfull obstinacy but out of tendernesse of Conscience As for the Controversie which the Examiner saith He hath with me Whether false worship be not onely locall but a spirituall Guilt and not onely a Guilt but also an Habit c. I doe acknowledge no such controversie between us I wholly consent with him in the Point Onely I doe not beleeve all that to be either a Guilt or an Habit of false worship which he doth imagine but in his termes I accord TO CHAP. XVI HIs 16th Chapter is taken up in Examining and Answering the Exposition which my Letter gave of that Text formerly alledged 2 Cor. 6.14 15 16. Of which I said 1. That the Text onely requireth Coming out from Idolaters in the fellowship of their Idolatry No Marriages were they to make with them No Feasts were they to hold with them in the Idolls Temples No intimate Familiaritie were they to maintaine with them Nor any Fellowship were they to keepe with them in the unfruitfull workes of Darknesse And this is all which the place requireth But what maketh all this to proove that we may not receive such Persons to Church-fellowship as our selves confesse to be godly and who doe professedly bewaile and renounce all knowne sinne and would renounce more if they knew more Although it may be they doe not see the utmost skirts of all that pollution they have sometimes been defiled with as the Patriarchs saw not the pollution of their Polygamy In Answer to this the Examiner telleth us 1. That if the regenerate and prepenting English did come thus farre forth it would availe much to the sanctifying of the Name of the Lord Jesus to the pacifying of his jealousie c. Reply But this is no Answer at all unlesse he did assume that our repenting English did not come thus farre forth Therefore he giveth for another Answer that which is indeed but a part of this That according to the former Distinction of Godly Persons who possibly may live in ungodly practises especially of false worship And then according to Mr. Cottons Interpretation they come not forth Reply That former Distinction hath been considered above and weighed but hath been found impertinent to the case in hand The Examiner neither doth nor ever will make it good That the Godly persons amongst us doe live in any ungodly practises of false worship Nor doe they take his Affirmation without any mention of Scripture-ground for a sufficient conviction But saith he if there be any voyce of Christ in the mouths of his witnesses against these sinnes they are not then of ignorance but negligence and spirituall hardnesse against the wayes of Gods seare Isai 63. c. Reply If there be saith he any voyce of Christ in the mouths of his witnesses against these sinnes c. If there be he doth not say there be And if there were how doth it appeare that their voyce is the voyce of Christ or that they be the witnesses of Christ in whose mouths this voyce is How easie had it been for the Examiner if he himselfe knew any such voyce of Christ in the mouths of any of his witnesses against these sinnes of false worship which our godly Brethren doe live in to have alledged the same and the word of Christ which might have been witnesse to the voyce of those witnesses But these Ifs and Overtures will neither convince nor edifie others nor justifie himselfe Besides what if there be some witnesses have testified against the false worship in England and against the hearing of those Ministers by reason of that false worship What if the Godly Persons of whom he speaketh here are not so ignorant but they know what those witnesses have said nor so negligent but they have duly considered and pondered the same and weighing it in the Ballance of the Scriptures have found it too light Is it spirituall hardnesse to choose rather to feare God and his Word then to feare the false Interpretations and Applications of it by the spirit of Error The word of the Lord wee reverence and acknowledge Come not yee to Gilgall neither goe yee up to Bethaven But doe wee come to Gilgall or goe up to Bethaven when we heare the word of the Lord from the godly Preachers in the Parishes in England If such alledgements of Scripture may goe for the voyce of Christ in the mouths of his witnesses we shall soone forget the Counsell of Solomon Cease my Sonne to heare the Instruction which causeth to erre from the words of knowledge Pro. 19.27 The Apostle John hath long since directed us Hereby know we the spirit of Truth and the spirit of Error He that knoweth God heareth us that is the Apostles and those that preach their Doctrine He that is not of God heareth us not 1 Joh. 4.6 But for another Answer the Examiner proceedeth Moreover saith he the Question is not of the utmost skirts of pollution but the substance of a true and false Bed of worship Cant. 1.16 In respect of coming out of the false before the entrance
it a folly to make boasts in comparisons even of sufferings And therefore I choose to be sparing and briefe in this Argument wherein otherwise I could be copious there being another Volume of the Booke of Martyrs as I heare extant in the Countrey though not in print of the sufferings of the godly Ministers and people beginning where Mr. Fox left When he saith Their witnesses against Bishops and Ceremonies whom he calleth Puritans have seldome met in separate Assemblies from the common It seemeth he never read the story of the Classes in Northamptonshire Suffolk Essex London Cambridge discovered by a false brother to Doctor Bancroft Chaplain then to Lord Chancellor Hatton afterwards Bishop of London and after that Archbishop of Canterbury nor that he ever tooke notice of Doctor Bancrofts Booke against them entituled Dangerous Positions and practises against Religion and State neither doth it seeme that he doth acknowledge their frequent and continuall meetings to duties of humiliation as any separate meetings from the common But I doubt not the Lord tooke notice of both and hath now rewarded their sighes and groanes prayers and teares in private with an open recompence and deliverance in the view of all men Besides though he pleased to confine the witnesse of these he calleth Puritans unto Testimony against Bishops and Ceremonies yet I did not thinke he had been such a stranger in Israel if by his leave I may call it Israel as to be ignorant how farre both the Admonitions to the Parliament have reached to beare witnesse beyond Bishops and Ceremonies To say nothing of Mr. Deerings Sermon before the Queene or Mr. Chadertons at Pauls Crosse or Mr. Parkers Ecclesiastica Politica or Mr. Baines his Diocesans Tryall Though he say None of them suffered unto death onely Mr. Vdall was neere it Yet the truth is he dyed by the annoyance of the Prison which he might as well have acknowledged as he doth of some of the Separatists in this very Paragraph that they were choaked in Prison This I have understood by faithfull witnesses that when the Coroners Jury according to the Law of England came as the manner is in such cases to survey the dead body of Mr. Vdall in Prison he bled freshly though cold before as a testimony against the murderous illegall proceedings of the State against him for so the godly did apprehend it judicious Perkins acknowledgeth such a kinde of bleeding to be a part of the accomplishment of that Scripture in Heb. 11. That the bloud of Abel still speaketh In like sort for the same cause choaked in the prison suffered Mr. Randall Bates an heavenly Saint nor could he be released though Doctor Hering a learned and beloved Physician earnestly solicited Bishop Neale for his enlargement as he tendred his life but the suite of the Physician was repulsed with reproaches And the life of his patient spilt by that rigor He is therefore much mistaken when he saith None of them suffered unto death And it is alike mistake when he maketh Mr. Penry one of his witnesses unto the death for Separation I have received it from Mr. Hildersom a man of a thousand that Mr. Penry did ingenuously acknowledge before his death That though he had not deserved death for any dishonour put upon the Queene by that Booke which was found in his study and intended by himselfe to be presented to her own hand nor by the compiling of Martin Marprelate of both which he was falsly charged yet he confessed he deserved death at the Queenes hand for that he had seduced many of her loyall Subjects to a separation from hearing the Word of life in the Parish Churches Which though himselfe had learned to discerne the evill thereof yet he could never prevaile to recover divers of her Subjects whom he had seduced and therefore the bloud of their soules was now justly required at his hands Let the Examiner consider whether he will own this Mr. Penry for one of his faithfull witnesses hereafter If he doe let him endeavour to doe as he did seeke to reduce those soules whom he hath seduced from hearing the word of life or else let him confesse as Mr. Penry did the bloud of those soules may justly be required at his hands if Mr. Penries witnesse be of waight with him Touching his other witnesse to the death of Mr. Barrow this I can say from the testimony of holy and blessed Mr. Dod who speaking of this Mr. Barrow God is not wont saith he to make choice of men infamous for grosse vices before their calling to make them any notable instruments of Reformation after their Calling Mr. Barrow whilest he lived in Court was wont to be a great Gamster and Dicer and often getting much by play would boast Vivo de die in spem noctis nothing ashamed to boast of his hopes of his nights lodgings in the bosomes of his Courtizens As his spirit was high and rough before his reformation so was it after even to his death When he stood under the Gibbet he lift up his eyes and Lord saith he if I be deceived thou hast deceived me And so being stopt by the hand of God he was not able to proceed to speake any thing to purpose more either to the glory of God or to the edification of the people Mr. Greenwood the Examiners last witnesse unto death he indeed of all the rest was the more to be lamented as being of a more tender and conscientious spirit but this have I heard reported of him by the same credible hands That if he could have been sundred from Mr. Barrow he was tractable to have been gained to the truth But when the Examiner goeth on to make comparisons between the Sufferings of the Separatists and of those he styleth Puritans in his Margent and in his Booke No comparison will hold from the Separatists to them but a Minori What compulsory banishments have been put upon those blessed and glorious lights Mr. Cartwright Parker Ames To say nothing of those in Scotland or New-England When have the Prisons been vacant of some or other godly Ministers and Professors When will the Examiner shew forth alike company of his witnesses to those 300. Ministers whom Mr. Parker compareth to the 300. Souldiers of Gideon who in one storme of persecution were some suspended some excommunicated some imprisoned all of them deprived of their Ministery and of their maintenance And provision made that none might practise Phyficke or teach Schoole unlesse they would accept a Licence with subscription So that of necessicie had not the Lord been wiser and stronger then men they must in remedilesse misery they and theirs have either begged or starved But that with the Lord there be bowells of mercy and fatherly compassions and with him are plenteous redemptions and provisions and protections when men faile The Examiner proceedeth in his Answer to tell us further That he beleeveth there hath hardly ever been a Conscientious Separatist who was
and now finally into no Church at all But whereas I said God had not prospered the way of the Separation as not with peace amongst themselves so neither with growth of Grace He answereth for growth of Grace though some false brethren have crept in yet Satan himselfe cannot but confesse that multitudes of Gods witnesses reproached with the names of Brownists and Anabaptists have kept themselves from the errours of the wicked and doe grow in Grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus c. Reply It is an unwelcome Subject to goe about to convince others of want of growth in Grace especially when wee speake of Churches and that before wee have in a more private manner dealt with them I looke at it as more seasonable to provoke our owne Churches to more growth of Grace at home For even true Churches as that of Ephesus Revel 2. may decay in their first love Onely thus much I would say the first Inventor of that way which is called Brownisme from whom the Sect tooke its name it is well knowne that he did not grow in Grace but fell back first from his owne way to take a Parsonage of a Parish-Church in England in Northamptonsheire called a Church God so in a strange yet wise providence ordering that he who had utterly renounced all the Churches in England as no Church should afterwards accept of one Parish-Church amongst them and it called a Church and from thence he fell to Organs in the Temple of his owne Church as I have been credibly informed and from thence to discord with his best hearers and bitter persecution of them at the last It is not Gods usuall manner of dealing to leave any of the first publishers or restorers of any Truth of his to such fearefull Apostacy from his Grace though I Judge not his finall Estate I will not rehearse what I read in printed Books of the unkind and ungracious and unbrotherly dealings of some of note in that way whilst they maintained the rigor of it That which the Examiner himselfe hath rehearsed in this very chapter may suffice to shew what growth of Godlinesse was found in that Church the Officer whereof himselfe styleth a worthy Instrument of Gods prayse and surely he was a man that deserved well of the Church for sundry of his Learned and painfull and profitable labours One would hope that where the Lord blesseth a people with growth of godlinesse the people would grow best under the best Ministers of that way Mr. Aynsworths name is of best esteeme without all exception in that way who refused Communion with hearing in England And if his people suffered him to live upon nine pence a week with roots boyled as the Examiner told us surely either the people were growne to a very extreme low Estate or else the growth of their godlinesse was growen to a very low ebb TO CHAP. XXIIII IN his 24. and 25. Chapters the Examiner giveth Answer to that speech in my Letter That such of the Separation as erring through simplicity and tendernesse have growne in Grace have growne also to discerne their lawfull Liberty for the hearing of the word from the English Preachers This I speake with respect to Mr. Robinson and to his Church who as he grew to many excellent gifts both of Grace and nature so he grew to acknowledge and in a Judicious and godly discourse to approve and defend the lawfull Liberty of hearing the word from the godly Preachers of the Parishes in England But in this 24. Chapter the Examiner answereth nothing against the truth of my speech Onely he telleth of foure sorts of Backsliders from sundry Truthes of God whom he hath observed to be left of God to sad and exemplary spirituall Judgements But because he speaketh of such as have decayed in grace and I speake of such as grow in grace his instances come not neere the point in hand I easily beleive that Hypocrites may grow from evill to worse deceiving and being deceived 2 Tim. 3.13 But a sincere humble Christian though he may start aside for a season yet Christ is not wont to leave him so but seeketh up every stray-sheep of his and bringeth them to heare and know his voyce in the mouthes of his Shepheards TO CHAP. XXV IN this 25. chapter because I had said as they have growne in Grace they have growne in discerning their lawfull Liberty to heare the word from the English Preachers He tels us he might here engage himselfe in a controversie with me but that neither the Treatise will permit nor is there need since it hath pleased the Father of Lights to stirre up the spirit of a faithfull witnesse of his Truth in this particular Mr. Canne to make a large and faithfull Reply to a Booke printed in Mr. Robinsons name tending to prove such a lawfull Liberty Reply Mr. Cann is unknowne unto me and his Booke also which I have not had the Liberty to get in these remote ends of the world I shall willingly bestow the reading of them if they come to my hands and God give opportunity especially if I see the spirit of a faithfull witnesse in them which the Examiner extolleth Onely I am apt to thinke as young men grow in yeares and gifts they will also grow up to the mellow-mildnesse and softnesse and moderation of riper age as Mr. Robinson in many things did Now from the name of English Preachers which I used in my speech the Examiner though he seeme to decline the engaging of himselfe in a controversie about hearing of them yet he taketh occasion to enter into a threefold discourse about them The first in this chapter concerning this title English Preachers Secondly concerning hearing them in chapter 26. Thirdly concerning their calling in chap. 27. The summe of his discourse about the title of these Preachers standeth in these particulars First that Mr. Cotton acknowledgeth the ordinary Ministers of the Gospel to Pastors Teachers Bishops Overseers Elders and that their proper worke is to feed and governe a truly converted holy and godly people gathered into a flock or Church-Estate And not properly Preachers to convert beget make Disciples which the Apostles and Evangelists properly were so that according to Mr. Cottons confessions English Preachers are not Pastors Teachers Bishops Elders but Preachers of glad newes Evangelists men sent to convert and gather Churches Apostles c. Secondly yet the Examiner confesseth that at the Pastors feeding his flock and at the Prophets prophecying in the Church an unbeleiver coming in may be convinced c. but this is accidentall c. Thirdly the Examiner acknowledgeth that it pleased God to worke personall Repentance in the hearts of thousands in Germany England Low-Countries France Scotland Ireland c. Yea and who knoweth but in Italy Spaine and Rome also c. but all this hath been under the notion of Ministers feeding their flocks not of Preachers sent to convert the unconverted and unbeleiving Reply 1. Though
wisdome and Truth that the Disousser should publish the delights of Christ in a confussed way without distinguishing things that differ and so not dividing the Word aright It is true that Christ delighteth not in the bloud of men but shed his owne for his bloudiest enemies and gainsayers to wit whilst they gainsaying him and bloudily persecute him or his out of ignorance In this case indeed he prayeth for them and dieth for them Father forgive them they know not what they doe Luk. 23.34 whilest wee were enemies Christ died for us Rom. 5.8 10. But to say that Christ delighteth not in the bloud of men who after the acknowledgement of his Truth doe tread the bloud of his Covenant under foote and wittingly and willingly reject him from reigning over them To hold it forth that Christ delighteth not in the bloud of such men or that he would not have such molested by the civill Sword who gainsay Christ known and professed and joyn with his enemy Antichrist in blaspheming and persecuting Christ and his Saints This the Discusser can never make good to be the word of Christ It is indeed to publish the glad Tidings of the Gospel not to the humble and meeke Lambes of Christ but to the seed of the Serpent to sow pillowes under all elbowes to make the hearts of the righteous sad whom God would not make sad and to strengthen the hands of the wicked in their Apostacy from the truth and malignity against it Christ hath pronounced it upon earth and ratifyed it in Heaven Those mine enemies that would not that I should reigne over them bring them hither and slay them before my face Luk. 19.27 Are these the words of him that delighteth not in the bloud of his bloudyest enemies and gainsayers when the Lord Jesus sendeth forth his servants to powre out bloudy vengeance upon Antichristian emissaries and openeth the hearts mouthes of his Saints to praise him for thus judging Rev. 16.4 7 Is this to proclaime a Magna-Charta of highest libertyes even to his gainsayers and to such as joyn with his enemy Antichrist Time was when Jehu justly demanded What peace what hast thou to doe with peace so long as the whor domes of thy Mother Jezebel and her witcherafts are so many 2 Kings 9.22 And are the times now so farre changed that the Sword of Jebu shall proclaime peace to Jezebel and peace to all that call her mother and peace to her whoredomes and peace to her witchcrafts and then to blesse our selves with a glorious expectation That soone shall every Brow and house be stucke with O live branches The Lord keepe us from being bewitched with the Whores cup lest whilst wee seeme to detest and reject her with open face of profession wee doe not bring her in by a back doore of Toleration and so come at last to drink deepely of the cup of the Lords wrath and be filled with the cup of her plagues Amen CHAP. 79. Touching the Modell of Church and civill Power composed by Mr. Cotton and the Ministers of New-England and sent to the Church of Salem c. Examined by the Discusser and Answered THis Title or Inscription which the Examiner setteth up of this Modell holdeth forth to the world a double falshood 1. That the Modell was composed by Mr. Cotton and other Ministers of New-England This is one falshood What other Ministers of New-England did in it themselves know But for Mr. Cotton I know that he was none of them that composed it 2. That this Modell was sent to the Church of Salem if he meane sent by those Ministers as the following words imply for the confirmation of their Doctrine that is another falshood The Ministers themselves that composed the Modell doe deny it Howsoever the Modell came to Salem the Ministers say it was not sent by them But see when men are left of God openly and boldly to write against the truth in matter of Doctrin how readily and freely they can write and speake falshood in matter of fact It is therefore lesse marvell that in Answer to the preface of the Modell he breaketh forth into such vast hyperboles That the Modell awakeneth Meses from his unknowne Grave and denyeth Jesus yet to have seen the earth A speech as devoid of reason as of truth The observation of Moses Lawes doth not awaken Moses out of his grave nor is there any reason it should The validity of Lawes doth not in reason depend upon the life or resurrection of the Lawgiver the Examiner himselfe I suppose would not doubt but the Lawes of Moses were of force to the Israelites in the Land of Canaan when yet Moses was dead and buried before their entrance into the Land Neither did their observation of them awaken Moses out of his grave but argued his Lawes to be in force as well after his death as whilst he was yet living If it be said That Christ at his coming in the flesh when he was buried himselfe buried also the Lawes of Moses with him in his grave Then the Examiner should not have said that the Modell raised up Moses out of his grave but that it raised up Christ out of his grave If it be said againe the Examiner saith It denyed Christ to have seen the earth which was of as ill consequence Be it so but yet still this maketh nothing to the rasing up of Moses out of his grave I Answer further Neither doth it at all deny Christ to have seen the earth For Christ came not to destroy the Law of Moses Mat. 5.17 Neither the Morall Law for in the sequele of that Chapter he doth at large expound it and establish it No nor did he come to destroy the judiciall Lawes such of them as are of Morall equity Or else the Conscience of the civill Magistrate could never doe any act of civill justice out of faith because he should have no word of God to be the ground of his action if the Lawes of judgement in the Old-Testament were abrogated and none extant in the New As for the exception which the Examiner taketh against the Preface It is as easily avoided as Objected If saith he the civill Magistrate even the highest being a Member of the Church be subject to Church-Censure how can this stand with their common Tenent that he must keepe the first Table Reforme the Church be Judge and Governor in all causes as well ecclesiasticall as Civill Secondly how can a Magistrate both sit on the Bench and stand at the Bar of Christ Jesus Is it not as impossible as to reconcile east and west together Yea is not the Text in Isa 49 23. Lamentably wrested to prove both these Reply One Answer may easily remove both Exceptions And that one Text doth expresly hold forth both these Points which the Examiner conceiveth to be so irreconcilable For if Princes be nursing Fathers to the Church as that Text speaketh then they are to provide that the children of