the same This I only speak to shew the Ignorance or inconsiderate proceeds of our Gospel-preachers who know not what they say nor the way they go nor the work they do nor the word they speak nor the Gospel which they pretend to preach unto the world But because I now write to the baptized Churches I would convince them also of this that they are not the true nor can baptize in truth having not a Gospel yet manifest among them I say not manifest for there may be a seed of it in them as also was in legal Saints I will not minde you of those two Scriptures mentioned in the following dispute John 7.38 39. and John 14.12 nor yet a third proof Mark 16.16 17. Hee that believeth and is baptixed shall be saved and these signs shall follow them that believe c. Those signes did follow Gospel-believers 1 Cor. 1.7 1 Cor. 12.7 compare at least every Gospel Church of believers in whose members as that faith was manifested so especially in the Ministers or Elders who by laying on of hands on the sick and by prayer of faith could save the sick from death The Oyle then used being not a physical receipt or chirurgical salve nor yet an empty Ceremony but a signe of the Spirits presence in the Church and power in the Elder to heal the body as well as the soul James 5.14 15. I will not mention that other laying on of the Presbytery or Eldership in ordaining by a gift of the Spirit ever given thereby 1 Tim. 4.14 2 Tim. 1.6 compare as with God I shall shew hereafter onely now 't is clear there is no Gospel-faith in all the Churches this day Know then that in the Churches of Christ there was both the gift of Faith and the grace of Faith the one in some Church-members as well as in Ministers 1 Cor. 12.9 the other was common to all believers though some that were carnal then in Gospel-Churches had but a legal faith because carnal 2 Cor. 3.1 Heb. 5.12 13. compare As for Gospel-faith suitable to that present state of the Spirit and spiritual Saints it was though not differing yet diverse from the legal faith of Gods people under the Law true faith was ever the same for substance but not for manifestation as the Gospel is everlasting and Christ the same to day yesterday and for ever But as Christ was onely vayled in the Law and revealed in the Gospel so the Gospel and Christ Jesus were both Mysteries hid since the world began from the Sons of men yea from the sons of God-under the Law Rom. 16.25 Eph. 3.5 Col. 1.26 compare This Mystery was not manifest till to the Apostles and primitive Saints by the Spirit Eph. 3.5 That Spirit was not given before yea the Spirit was not at all as the Greek there reads John 7.39 And so that Spirit is not now not the Baptisme of the Spirit which the Apostles themselves had not John 20.22 Act. 1.5 compare while Christ was with them in flesh and though after his resurrection he breathed the Spirit on them yet they were not baptized with the Spirit till afterward Before which given they could not go forth to Teach all Nations and Baptize in a Gospel-way Act. 1.4 Therefore Gospel-Believers could not be before the Baptisme of the Spirit that is the pouring forth the gifts thereof on the Church Act. 2.33 44. 1 Cor. 12.7 9. compared Besides as the object of a Gospel-faith was a mystery that 's Christ in us the hope of glory John 4.20 Col. 1.27 Gal. 1.15 and 2.20 compare 1 Cor. 2.2 7 10 12 13. vers compare the Son of God revealed in us living in us and dying in us and we crucified with him for both Christ and him crucified also was a mystery as the Gospel the object of that faith so this Gospel-faith was a mystery likewise the mystery of Faith in a pure conscience 1 Tim. 3.9 But the object of a Legal faith was no mystery but a plain promise or God in covenant not God in Christ for this the Apostles themselves knew not in the dayes of his flesh Yee believe in God saith he believe also in me c. Legal Saints believed on God not on Christ for Christ was a mystery not yet manifest or to believe on God by Christ is that which believing Christians this day know not nor consider For what 's this why first 't is to know Christ in the Father and the Father in him and he in us and we in him John 14.20 Secondly to know Christ as the way to the Father for us vers 6.7 how so he that believeth on me believeth not on me but on him that sent me and he that seeth me seeth him that sent me that 's the Father in me Iohn 12.44 45. Iohn 14.9 compared What 's that 't is thus to me he that sees God in Christ and the Father in him Emanuel God with us that 's Christ Mat. 1.23 Eph. 3.19 John 17.23 compare may as well see God even the Father in himself for Christ is in us and we in Christ that is God in our flesh as in Christs for Christ and we are perfect in one one with the Father thus he is the way to the Father and thus by him as the way we believe on God who raised him from the dead and gave him glory that our faith and hope might be in God 1 Pet. 1.23 So that in truth to believe on Christ is not to believe on Christ but on the Father in him God in his flesh and in ours also for our faith does tend and end in God yet through him and by him as I said before So that here 's the misbeliefe of Churches this day their faith is onely on God as the Iews or only on Christ as deceived Christians not on God and Christ or on God by Christ And by this it appears there has not been in the Churches a Gospel-faith at least formally for vertually there might be in some but formally and effectually there has not been a Gospel-faith in the Saints these 1400 years for what sign has followed any that believed who could ever shew the Gift of Faith when the grace of Faith was scarce known what mountain or mighty thing has been done Mark 6.17 Mat. 17.20 Mat. 21.21 compare Josh 6.13 or done away and removed meerly by Faith for an outward force and strength of man has alwaies attended great acts in latter times but where 's the fall of Iericho's walls by rams-horns or Gideons conquest by broken pitchers and lights held up in his hand Oh this new light believers are afraid of Judg. 7.20 or to hear the sound of a Trumpet All things saith Christ what soever ye shall ask in prayer believing ye shall receive it that is Matth. 21.22 asking in faith nothing wavering c. though the man want wisdom yet he shall have it liberally given him of God saith
all the Saints with you to look for this Col. 3.1 that is next and nearest to you to rise not onely from sin as those under the second dispensation were risen but to rise from self as we shall in the third when God shall be all in all that we may all hear him in us speaking with power Arise shake thy self from the dust Isa 52.2 arise and sit down O Jerusalem loose thy self from the bands of thy neck O captive Daughter of Sion Farewell Your William Erbery For Mr. Ambrose Moston Beloved Sir I Wrote unto you once before I received yours last but mine miscarried and 't is no matter for the whole contents thereof concerned outward things as Church-Order Ordinances and Officers which I proved then not to be of the primitive institution with power from on high and appearance of the Spirits presence in gifts Luk. 24.49 Act. 1.4 5. Act. 21.4 33. which was the ordinary constitution of a Gospel-Church First in order that is the manifestation of the Spirit in manifold gifts called the Baptisme of the Spirit this being the pouring forth of all the gifts of the Spirit 1 Cor. 12.7 12. 1 Cor. 14.1 12. for some the Church under the Law had as gifts of prophesying signes miracles raising the dead c. which the present professing Gospel-Churches are far below even that legal dispensation Secondly The Officers of Christ Act. 14.23 1 Tim. 4.14 2 Tim. 1.6 James 5.14 Act. 20.23 were as for number five Eph. 4.11 so the lowest Elder Pastor and Teacher was ordained with a gift of the Spirit given by the laying on of hands by which as they were enabled for their ministerial work so were they to abide and to sit down with their particular flocks for the Apostles onely were to go forth to the world Col. 1.23 25. as the Evangelists were appointed to ordain Eiders in every City Tit. 1.5 Act. 13.1 2 3. and the Prophets to minister unto the Lord in the Churches laying on their hand on such Apostles who were successively sent abroad out of those Churches to preach the Gospel with the holy Spirit sent downe from heaven 1 Pet. 1.12 Eph. 3.4 5. Col. 1.27 28 29. without which the Mystery of Christ could not be manifest to men This was the full ministery of Christ in those five which the world could not want nor the Church be without the want of which leaves both in Babylon or confusion as it has been all along the Apostacie and is now more visible this day to many scattered Saints Thirdly The Ordinances which are in the gathered Churches are far from the primitive institution in matter and form For first a Psalm a Doctrine a Tongue Interpretation Revelation were ordinary 1 Cor. 14.26 because for edifying and therefore Ordinances of the Church of Christ these are not now at all go the edifice is fallen into confusion that 's Babel Secondly the Ordinances which are as the Childish tradition of Childrens Baptisme the breaking of bread which should be the Communion of Christs body cannot be administred because the body is not onely dead Ezek 37.3 16. as the dry bones of Babylon but divided as the two sticks there and how then can there be a communion when there is no union of the body for as there was before in the Gospel-state but one Spirit one baptisme so but one body all believers and Gospel-Saints walked in one Church-way one way of worship doctrine and discipline c. and though there was particular divisions between brother and brother yet not between Church and Church for the body was but one as I said Now the Saints by calling have diverse baptismes and are divided bodies how can there be then breaking of bread or communion of the body 't is but the bread of Mourners Hosea 9.4 read it in the Spirit I will not speak of our Common-prayers and customary carnal singing of Psalmes for though Prayers were publiquely performed in the Jewish Church that Church being national Act. 2.42 yet in the Gospel-Churches being a company of Saints Prayers were proper onely in the Church as fellowship and breaking of bread was only there not with the world or multitude therefore Christ and his Apostles did never pray with their preaching Act. 3.1 12. Act. 4.24 compared These were the things I then enlarged to you in the Letter that was lost and truely I intended not now to speak a word of this when I first put pen to paper there is a providence and the hand of God in it which led mine thus far that you might lay it to heart Indeed Sir these are but outward things there are more inward spiritual and eternal truths I purposed to present to your serious thoughts that is the new Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven what the Lord has taught me therein I cannot now express only to tell you that I teach nothing now to man but the new Ierusalem in which when the Saints shall be gathered as they shall all be one for there 's but one street in that City so there being no Temple there but the Lord God and the Lamb the divided forms of Church-worship being fallen with Babylon shall appear no more but God will be seen to dwell in his people with that light and love that many Nations shall be joyned to the Lord in them 't is not said joyned to them now for God shall be all in all This I call the third Dispensation differing from Law and Gospel-order yet comprehending both above both for Ierusalem is above and that was above to the highest Apostle will come downe and appear to the least and lowest of Gods people Gal. 4.26 for 't is the mother of us all yea the child shall dye a hundred years old Isa 65.20 Eph. 4.13 for the least child of God shall come to a perfect man to the fulness of the stature of Christ that is shall see himself filled with all the fulness of God as the most perfect man on earth Eph. 4.13 This third dispensation or third discovery of God all the Prophets did write of Rom. 8.18 23. and all the Apostles waited for the glory to be revealed in us the glorious liberty of the sons of God saith Paul 1 John 3.2 the appearing of God even the glorious appearing of the great God in us when we shall be like him and see him as he is saith Iohn the new heaven and the new earth saith Peter 2 Pet. 3.13 all this we wait for say they and Iohn saw it coming down even the new Ierusalem after Babylons fall The fall of Babylon will be by confusion when this comes to the Churches and in the Spirits of the Saints they shall then begin to see what before they were blind unto yea the blind alone shall see for they that see shall be made blind Iohn 3.39 Isa 29.18 But this is the comfort to me
all particulars were written it would nauseate any Scholar or spiritual man Such a one I wisht my Antagonist had been for then he should have understood me or I him therefore I desired Mr. Nichols in a Letter the week before that we should reason together in private among Rational and Religious friends both his and mine But he was resolved to have it in publike either that the simple Welsh people might wonder at his wisdom or that his folly and mine might appear to all And truely I was a fool to accept of a dispute before an illiterate multitude and without a Moderator for many sometimes would be speaking at once But it was agreed upon at last that M. Nichols should be Respondent because I was by Argument to maintain the Truth that I taught which he had rumoured abroad to be Errour and Heresie The things were these First That the new Jerusalem is a state of the Saints in this life This he denied Secondly That the Saints this day have not a Gospel-faith This he affirmed Thirdly That God is in union with mankinde This he was negative too But I was to maintain all three in these following Arguments For the first I had many grounds to build upon and to prove that the new Jerusalem is a state of Saints in this life First because it must be immediately after Babylons fall which is in this lise where Babylon must fall and rise no more Rev. 18.21 Rev. 19. throughout Rev. 20.1 7. Rev. 21.2 3. Secondly New Jerusalem comes down from God out of heaven not goes up to heaven from earth Thirdly there God dwells with men not men with God for 't is a new earth as well as a new heaven Fourthly whole Nations are here to be saved and the Nations saved with their Kings bring their glory and honour to it which cannot be in heaven above as men conceive but 't is a third dispensation differing from Law and Gospel-Order For the first was a nation saved by the Lord. Deut. 33.29 Act. 2.47 Zach. 2.11 In the second believers of all Nations were saved or joyned to the Lord not to a Church but to the Lord not in any particular form of Religion Isa 60.21 but in the power of righteousness The first Argument was thus The Nations of them that are saved walk in the light of the new Jerusalem Rev. 21.24 and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honour to it Ergo the new Jerusalem is a state of the Saints in this life Secondly Jerusalem shall be inhabited Zach. 2.4 as a city without walls for the multitude of men and cattel therein Ergo 'T is in this life M. Nichols Answers to both truely I remember not nor his to most of my Arguments onely to this second his answer was in laughter like Solomon's wise man Eccles 7.6 crying aloud to the people Hawer here 's cattel in heaven whereas my proof was that New Jerusalem in Zechariah was not heaven because cattel are there Yet contrary to Order Mr. Nichols would needs object and what That the new Jerusalem is not this life why Because saith he none shall enter in that defileth or telleth a lye Rev. 21.27 I caught him presently in three before witnesses One was a great untruth for whereas I was saying upon occasion that Zechariah's prophecie was after the Captivity M. Nichols would face me down before the people that his Prophecie was before and Adeodate saith he is of the same judgement with me The next day that I spake Adeodate was brought and read in publike Adeodate in Zach. 1. whose words were quite contrary to that M. Nichols said of him yea the Scripture is clear that Zachary prophesied in the second and fourth yeers of Darius that 's after the Captivity Zech. 1.1 7.1 Ergo said I Mr. Nichols must not enter into the new Jerusalem 'T was his own Argument Isa 65.22 But my third was this In the new Jerusalem men shall build houses plant vineyards labour and live long Ergo New Jerusalem is a state in this life The second thing that I held forth as truth to me was this That none of the people of God this day have a Gospel-faith Which I proved first by an Argument ex enumerat is or ex particularibus c. Neither M. Nichols nor any of the godly Preachers with him nor the people of God this day have a Gospel-Church Ergo None have c. 'T was proved thus Those who live not of the Gospel Isa 2.4 have not a Gospel-faith For the just live by faith But neither M. Nichols nor any of the godly Preachers with him live of the Gospel Ergo. The minor or second Proposition I proved thus Those who live upon Tythes 1 Cor. 9.14 live not of the Gospel But M. Nichols and the rest of the godly Preachers in Wales live upon Tythes Ergo. This was unanswerable therefore to the people of God I proposed a second Argument thus Those that have not received the Spirit which Jesus gave after he was glorified have not a Gospel faith John 7.39 But the Saints this day have not received that Spirit c. Ergo. This I proved First because that Spirit was not before given or as the Greek there reads The Spirit was not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Secondly the Spirit which the Apostles had before and afterward breathed on them by Christ risen John 14.17 John 20.22 was not that Spirit which Jesus gave when he was glorified or ascended but the Saints this day have not that Spirit as the Apostles had before much less the Spirit which Jesus gave after he was glorified Ergo. Thirdly the Spirit which Jesus gave after he was glorified was the Baptism of the Spirit which the Apostles themselves had not received before Act. 1.5 till not many days after the Resurrection that is the pouring forth of all the gifts of the Spirit on the Church Act. 2.33 38. which present Churches and purest Christians are far from Ergo Nâ—ne have a Gospel-faith The third Argument was from Joh. 14.12 Those who do not the works which Christ did and greater also then those have not a Gospel-faith But none of the Saints this day by all their faith can do those works and greater also Ergo. The Argument is stronger in Christ who gives a double asseveration to it Verily verily that is not onely assevers but swears as Calvin interprets Joh. 14.12 Secondly those who believed on Christ did greater works then he did in the days of his flesh Act. 9.18 Act. 2.8 41. Act. 4.4 for some gave the Spirit by the laying on of hands 2. Others could speak to every one in his own tongue 3. They converted many thousands at once 4. Could preach the Gospel to every creature under heaven whereas Christ did onely to one Nation Col. 1.23 Mat. 15.24 Mark 6.4 Mark 16.17.18 for his commission was no farther 2. Converted but