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A54048 A question to the professors of Christianity, whether they have the true, living, powerful saving knowledge of Christ or no? with some queries concerning Christ, and his appearances, his taking upon him our flesh : as also concerning his flesh and blood, and our being formed thereof, and feeding thereon, and an incitation to professors seriously to consider, whether they or we fail, in the true acknowledgment and owning of the Christ which died at Jerusalem : likewise some propositions and considerations concerning the nature of church-worships and ordinances, since the death of the apostles, for the sake of simplicity, which hath been long held captive therein : with the sounding of bowels towards thee, O England : also a faithful guidance to the principle and path of truth, with some sensible experimental questions and answers from the tenth chapter of John / by Isaac Penington ... Penington, Isaac, 1616-1679. 1667 (1667) Wing P1184; ESTC R18236 42,725 54

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others he is far from receiving the blessing or blessedness of this Seed but groweth up in the wrong nature and spirit the end whereof is to be burned with all that is in union with it and groweth up from it Therefore come out from that spirit come out of that dark mind and nature which never saw nor can see the Truth but setteth up Opinions and appearances of things instead of it and receive the Anointing which is given with and in the Seed which is raised in some and visited in many in this day of the Lords Love and tender Mercy to whom the Living the Sensible the Redeemed sing praises and on whom they wait for his further manifesting of his Power and Glory in them daily more and more Now Friends if ye will know aright or believe aright ye must know and believe in him who was with the Father before the World was who was the Saviour the Jesus the Christ from everlasting For what makes him so Is it not his Nature Is it not the power of Salvation in him His taking up a body made no alteration in him added nothing to him onely it was necessary that he should take it up to fulfil the Will in it and to offer it up a Sacrifice in his own Life and Spirit to the Father This we firmly believe and this also we cannot but say further That the Virtue the Value the Worth the Excellency of what was done by him in the Body was not of the Body but it was in him before time in time and will be after time and for ever Yea it is he to whom the Name Jesus and Christ did of right belong before he took up the Body and he only put forth in the Body the saving Virtue which he had before which belonged to the Nature to the Anointing in him whether ever he had saved any with it or no. And this Virtue this Life this Spirit this Nature of his is the Food the Righteousness the Garment of Life and Salvation which he through the death of the Body made and prepared a living way for the Soul to come to to feed on and be cloathed with I can hardly stop speaking of these things for your sakes that through my words or the words of whom the Lord shall please ye might come to feel that which is able to give you the holy understanding and might come to the true sence and experience of the Truth it self and might see who hath blinded you and how he hath blinded you and fed you with Husks and dry food instead of that which hath the true living Sap in it But while ye see and judge in that which is wrong ye must needs judge amiss both of your selves and others and also of the Truth it self and of the words spoken either formerly or now concerning it whereby ye expose and bring your selves under the righteous Judgment of the Truth it self even of the Son and the Light of his Day which hath power from the Father to judge all false appearances deceits and deceivers A POST-SCRIPT to the Professors of Christianity IT hath pleased the Lord as he manifested his Christ gloriously before the Apostacy so to manifest him so again For he was not only born in the flesh of the Virgin Mary but he was also born in the Spirit of the Woman cloathed with the Sun which had the Moon under her feet and on her head a Crown of twelve Stars She also brought forth the Man-Child who was to Rule all Nations with a Rod of Iron Rev. 12. Now of this appearance and return of the Lord Jesus Christ and his fresh bringing forth of his Life and Power in his Body the Church there are many Witnesses who have seen felt and tasted thereof with the Eyes and Sences which are of God and of the new Birth And of this in the Love and good Will of God and from the drawings and requirings of his Spirit they bear witness to others that they also might come to see the glory and brightness of his Day and rejoyce therein For indeed it is a glorious Day inwardly in Spirit to those that are quickened and gathered to the living Shepheard and Bishop of the Soul by the eternal Arm of his Power And happy is the Eye that sees the things that they see and the Ear that hears what they hear and the Heart that understands the things which God hath revealed in and unto them by his Spirit Glorious was the appearance of Christ in flesh but there were blocks in the way of the Jews that they could not know own believe and receive him And glorious is the administration of his life in Spirit in this day of his Power but there are also blocks lying in the way of them to whom it is sent which cause them to stumble at it and keep them both from letting it into them and also from giving up to it But blessed was he who was not offended in Christ then and blessed is he who is not offended at him now For he that is offended at him who is Life and gives Life stumbling at the present way of dispensation which God hath chosen to give it out by how shall he live This is the cause that so many poor hearts lie mourning and grovelling on the earth groaning because of their sins fearing because of the strength of the Enemy and the corruptions of their own hearts which are continually ready to betray them into his hands because they know not him who hath stretched out his Arm and is come in his Power to deliver but are prejudiced against the way wherein he hath and doth deliver Yea they know not his Voice who calls Come unto me I am the Resurrection and the Life He that believeth in me shall receive my strength and though he were never so weak shall become as David and though never so unclean shall find the Waters which spring from my Well to cleanse him and nourish him to Life everlasting How tenderly did Christ visit the Jews in the dayes of his flesh How powerfully and in the true Authority of God did he preach among them What mighty Works did he shew and yet they could not believe Why so The Enemy had entred them with his temptations had got somewhat into their minds of a contrary nature to keep out thereby the sense knowledge and acknowledgment of him So that when their hearts were even overcome with his Power and sweet precious Doctrine and ready to yeeld that this was he this was Christ indeed then the Enemy raised up some Argument or other to prejudice them against him that he might thereby beat them off and drive them back again from owning or receiving him This man is not of God say some for he keepeth not the Sabbath He cannot be a Prophet say others because he is of Galilee out of which no Prophet ariseth He cannot be Christ saith a third sort because we know whence he
is but when Christ cometh no man knoweth whence he is He is not holy strict and zealous according to the Law say others but a loose person a man gluttonous and a Wine-bibber a friend of Publicans and sinners one who teacheth not his Disciples to fast and pray as the Pharisees did theirs and John who was generally looked upon as a Prophet did his but justifieth them in plucking the ears of Corn on the Sabbath Day and so thereby rather incouraging them to break it then strictly to observe and keep it according to Gods Law He is a Blasphemer say some speaks most horrid blasphemy making himself equal with God He reproacheth the most strict and zealous men that we have even our Teachers and Interpreters of the Law and Prophets calling them Hypocrites painted Sepulchres blind Guides c. and pronounceth Wo upon Wo against them And those that are the Children of Abraham he calls the Children of the Devil and saith He that committeth sin is the Servant of sin But if the Son meaning himself make you free ye shall be free indeed And if we will have life in us we must believe in him and eat his flesh and drink his blood Did ever Moses or any of the Prophets teach such Doctrine Again he saith If a man keep my saying he shall never see death whereas Abraham and the Prophets who believed God and kept his sayings are all dead This made them even conclude he had a Devil John 8.52 So how could they understand him when he said He was the good Shepherd and the Door c. and that all that ever came before him were Thieves and Robbers Would they not look upon this as witnessing of himself and endeavouring to set up himself And when he said Verily verily before Abraham was I am Were they not ready to stone him for speaking a false and impossible thing as it seemed to them he manifestly being not yet fifty years old But suppose it to be true that he was before Abraham how then could he be the Messiah who was to come of Abraham and out of the loyns of David according to the Scriptures And then for his Miracles having beforehand concluded that he was a bad Man a Sinner a breaker of the Sabbath a Blasphemer a deceiver of the People c. How easie was it for them to harden themselves against them and to infer that he wrought not these things by the power of God but by the aid and assistance of the Devil to overthrow the Laws and Ordinances of Moses and to set up himself and his new Doctrine by Indeed many and some seemingly strong and unanswerable were the exceptions which the wisdom and understanding in them which was out of the Life and Power of Truth formed against Christ whereby they justified themselves in their refusal of him who was Sealed and sent of the Father and so excluded themselves the Kingdom and the Righteousness thereof This is past and they can condemn them now who themselves are acting over again the same thing in spirit It pleaseth the Lord thus to suffer things to be still so to give forth the dispensations of his Life as they alone that are in some measure of his Life can discern them And the same spirit under a new guise still opposeth Truth in its present appearance and dispensation and stirreth men up to flight and blaspheme that holy Name and Power which they that believe in are saved and sanctified by Well what shall I say to you O that ye could discern Spirits O that ye could see what spirit ye are of and whom ye serve in opposing the present dispensation of Life O that ye could see how ye read Scriptures out of that which wrote them and bend them against that which wrote them making your selves wise and strong in a wrong Wisdom and Knowledge against the Lord and against his Christ whom he hath set upon his holy Hill of Sion and who appeareth there though ye see it not For Sion is not now literal or after the flesh the Day is come the Shadows are gone But Sion is the holy Hill of God in Spirit upon which the Heavenly Jerusalem is built which is revealed come down and coming down from Heaven and many of the Heavenly Citizens dwell there already and more are coming thither to dwell for even from the East West North and South shall the gathering be to sit with Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom which cannot be shaken which Kingdom was received by the Christians formerly before the Apostacy and is now received again blessed be his Name who lives and reigns in Power over all the spirits of darkness and deceit maintaining his pure Life and Truth in the hearts of his Children in despite of them all But why should ye thus err in Heart from the pure Truth Why should ye not open to him that knocks in his holy Power and in the demonstrations of his Spirit to your Consciences Why should a subtile device of the deceiver be let in and hugged by you to cause you to thrust him back from your hearts who is the Word of eternal Life and with whom are the words of eternal Life The Lord God discover the deep deceits of the Enemy to you whereby he captivateth your hearts and understandings that it may not be alwayes said of you as it was of the Jews He came unto his own and his own received him not But to as many as received him he gave power in the day of his flesh and he giveth much more power to them that receive him in Spirit in the Day of his Spirit to become Sons of God And because they are Sons he poureth out abundantly of his Spirit upon them And he that hath the Spirit hath the Son and he that hath the Son hath Life But he that hath not the Son but blasphemeth the appearance and light of his Spirit hath not life but is yet in that Wisdom and Knowledge which is death and which keeps him dead Now the Lord of his tender Mercy make you sensible of and pardon your opposing and resisting his Truth and also cause the Light of Life to shine in your hearts quickening and guiding you thereby out of the Land of Death and Darkness into the holy Land of Life that all that sincerely breath after Truth may through the faithful travel come to sit down dwell and feed together in it in the one Power in the one Life in the one holy Spirit where is pure Rest and Peace perfect Joy and Satisfaction for evermore Amen Some QUERIES concerning Christ and his Appearances his taking upon him our flesh As also concerning his flesh and blood and our being formed thereof and feeding thereon Query 1. VVHether there was not a necessity of Christs taking upon him our flesh for the redemption of those that had sinned and the satisfaction of the justice offended Quer. 2. Whether the Father did not accordingly prepare a
and all fleshly reasonings into the Spirit of Life and examine there both your inward and outward buildings that your loss be not great and your anguish unutterable in the Day of the Lord when all those buildings which are raised and preserved in the pure Life and Power shall shine in the beauty and glory of Gods Spirit and the greatest glory of flesh and fleshly buildings fade and wither The Sounding of Bowels towards thee O ENGLAND EArly in the morning on the 26th day of the sixth month 1666. this in the freshness and quick sense of Life sprang up in my heart again and again O England England England how good had it been for thee that thou hadst known and walked in the way of Peace There is a way of Peace for Persons and Nations to know and walk in but every Person and Nation doth not know and walk in this way but rather in the way of trouble Quest What is the way of Peace Answ It is the way of the pure Wisdom the way of the Light and guidance of God's Spirit from whom the Creature came and by whom alone it can be rightly ordered He that waiteth on him for Counsel he that subjecteth to and walketh in his Counsel he walketh in the way of Peace Quest What is the way of Trouble Answ The way of a mans own Wisdom and Counsel For a Man or Nation to do that which is right in their own eyes This is the way of Man whereby he thinks to establish himself and put an end to his Troubles but he errs therein as in the end he still finds to his Woe Now O England consider Hast thou had the guidance of God Hath the Light which hath guided thy steps been lighted by him or by his and thy Souls Enemy For there is a Spirit of a contrary nature to God near Man which he suddenly taketh counsel of when his heart is not acquainted with nor receiveth counsel of the Lord. And this Counsellor is the destroyer both of Persons and Nations leading them in wayes of ruine and subversion under an appearance of being the properwayes of Peace and Settlement It is true of Nations as well as Persons that what they sow that shall they also reap God measureth out their time unto them and when that is over his time of judging and pleading with them comes And woe is then unto them who have acted in their own wills and wisdoms out of the pure Counsel and fear of the Lord wherein they should have stood and been guided It is a day of trouble and distress The weight of the iniquity of this Nation begins to be felt upon it O let every one search and bow before the Lord under his righteous Judgements that there may be no going on in that which bringeth and will increase the judgement but a turning towards that which interceeds and opens the springs of Mercy Two things lie heavy on this Nation to wit a running on in Transgressions of several kinds against the Lord forgetting his tender Mercies with the dayes of former distress and an afflicting others whom he loves and hath led and is leading out of transgression O that these things might come to an end that the anger of the Lord might cease and the wayes of his Judgements and pleading with this Nation be stopped for who can stand before him when he riseth up in controversie against them There is but one eye which can rightly see the Hand and Judgments of the Lord yea it pleaseth the Lord so to manage them that only the eye which is of him may see them Man must be taken in his Wisdom and caught in the snare of his own understanding He that will see the Things of God the Wayes of God the Counsels of God the Love and Sweetness of God yea the very Judgments of God must receive from him the eye that seeth them O that men might feel after and come into that wherein they might be pittied and spared by their Maker Man must bow that which is of God in man which hath long lain under oppression must be exalted It is the day of his Power and he will reign in it O happy they that bow to his Scepter and kiss the shinings of his Light even in the sharpest rebukes of it in their hearts that they may turn from and travel out of the darkness where is death destruction and misery even in all the counsels and wayes of it and come into unity with that which is pure and live Written in Alisb Prison 27. of 6th month 66. A faithful Guidance to the Principle and Path of Truth wherein eternal Life is witnessed by those who are born thereof and walk therein THere must be somewhat let down from God into a mans heart to change his heart and redeem it to God or he cannot be saved He must receive a Seed be born of a new and incorruptible Seed or he cannot be renewed from his corrupt nature and state He must be born of Water and Gods Spirit or he cannot enter into Gods Kingdom Now this is the true Religion namely to experience and be subject to that Power which redeems to God which breaks the power of the wicked one in the heart first casting him out and then taking possession of the Vessel and filling it with the holy Treasure Quest But how may a man meet with such a thing as this Answ The Scripture which giveth a faithful Testimony concerning the Truth saith Christ the Word of Faith which the Apostles preached is nigh Insomuch as a man need not say Who shall go up or down to fetch it but what saith it The Word is nigh thee in thy mouth and in thy heart This is that which reconciles to God cutting down and slaying the enmity by the Power of the Cross and bringing up the Seed This is the Adversary in the way of the sinner which he that maketh peace with shall be remitted all his trespasses past and find power and strength against sin for the time to come as he is gathered into and brought forth in his pure Life and Nature Quest But how shall I know and receive this Answ That in the heart which is contrary to sin which discovereth sin which witnesseth against sin and is drawing the mind from it furnishing those with a new and holy ability who wait upon the Lord in it that that is the thing though in never so little a Seed or low measure Now he that minds this harkens to this turns from what this in its pure unerring Light shews to be evil follows in the will strength and ability which is of this what this shews to be good he receives it and waiting upon it and becoming daily subject to it shall grow up in it increase in the knowledge of it and acquaintance with it and receive of it daily more and more And thus the man whose way was vile whose heart was naught formed in wickedness filled with