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A27361	A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie.	Bellamie, John, d. 1654.; Price, John, Citizen of London. City remonstrance remonstrated.	1646 (1646)	Wing B1814; ESTC R4476	42,384	58

like bee said as of Books so of men where is the man without his errors without his miscariages as I will not accuse so I beleeve you will not excuse Mr. I. P. himselfe from these And truly for ●y self I dare not to these plead my defence for I know more by my selfe then you or all your Reporters can accuse me of and earnestly humbly I desire that God may be glorified both in my acknowledgement of them to him and his pardoning of them to mee but upon what ground you should thus boldly breake in upon mee knowing nothing of any thing that of the●e you affirme I can but wonder I pray be pleased to make a second inquiry amongst all your Reporters and see if they can make it out for truth unto you that ever at any time in any place either by word or writing any thing fell from mee either for Bishops for Separates for Schismaticks or for Sectaries and if not as confident I am nor you nor they can then why doe you wrong your selfe and your Cause in thus going about to wrong me by reporting and divulging these untruths of me But I have tyred out my selfe and perhaps wearied the Reader too in following you so long upon these personall things yet must I needs crave favour to particularize one passage more viz. in your 29 pag. in these words viz. Mr. John Bellamie what kinde of man are you They that observe your sayings what they have been formerly concerning the King concerning the Lords concerning the power of the Commons whispering your thoughts in the eares of many that now speake of it what your carriages have been not very long since in Common-Councell or among your brethren the Stationer's the Committee appointed for the keeping up and maintaining the Expository Lectures and what your carriages are now stand with admiration and amusement at your wheeling thus about Answ. I desire the Reader to observe the many Charges which in this you lay against mee at the least six yet you particularize not any one might I not more justly then you take your owne words used in reference to Quarterman in your 12 page and apply them to that which in this you spake against mee viz. Hang him hang him what hath he done And what I pray you may such as know mee not be ready to judge of mee when they heare so many and so great Charges in the generall laid against mee and seemingly confirmed by so many Witnesses as the whole Common-Councell the Company of Stationers the Committee for Expository Lectures was there ever the like passages printed against any man by the worst of enemies that ever he had to charge him with something against the King as if that were Treason something against the Lords Commons as if that were either Treason or at least Scandalum Magnatum and this to be whispered by mee in the eares of many that now speake of it againe and yet to instance in nothing at all and then furth●r to say what your carriages have been not very long since in Common-Councell or among your Brethren the Stationers the Committee appointed for the keeping 〈…〉 maintaining the Expository Lectures Now I appeale to your own soule whether this your dealing can have any defence m●de for it And I do appeale also to the worst of Enemies that I have alive as it seemes I have a great many for I thanke you heartily for it you told mee privately by word of mouth upon Saturday the 8 of this August that there is a Booke of the History of my life already drawn up and fitted for the Presse wherein are many heavie Charges laid against me in the matters of my conversation to make any thing good against mee in any of these generalls which here you sp●ak of and in particular I appeal to the Court of Common-Councell to the Company of Stationers and to the Committee a●pointed for the keeping up and maintaining the Expository Lectures for all these you seeme to bring as witnesses against me whether ever I did or spake any thing at any time in any of the●e Assemblies which in any thing was any way crosse or contrary either to the City Remonstrance or to any thing in my Vindication thereof for you say that they observing your now carriages stand with admiration and amasement at your wheeling thus about Mr I. P. I pray remember that Scripture which in your 1● page you set in a parallel against a passage in the Remonstrance to prove that the Common-Councell doth act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God and bring it hither and set it likewise in parallel against this your dealing with me and then tell mee who doth act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse Will and Word of God the Scripture you cite is Matth. 7. 12. As you would that men should doe unto you so doe unto them for this is the Law and the Prophets Mr. I. P. I beseech you aske your owne soule whether you would that I or any other man should deale thus by you as you have dealt by me gathering up whatever you cou●d heare against mee whether true or false in my carriages about matters of Religion and that for above 30 yeares together and though you know nothing of any one of them more or lesse and there being not one of them true as you relate them yet without ever speaking one word to me about them with such boldnesse and confidence of truth to publish them to the world And now tell me Whether you doe as you would bee done unto and whether in this your owne Conscience being your judge you doe not act in a direct evident and obvious manner against the expresse will and word of God But I must break off yet with this resolution that your indeavour thus to blaz on my Name and blast my Repute shall by Gods grace quicken mee up to a more Christian watchfulnesse over all my wayes that I may walke more inoffensively towards men and more pleasingly before God and I blesse my God that my Name is neither in the power of your tongue nor pen nor yet of your reporters neither but onely in the hand power of my good God who is able to keep that which I have committed to him and I blesse his Name I am not in any thing terrified by that which you or they have in this already done in thus seeking to defame mee nor yet I hope ever shall bee at that History of my Life which you say is ready for the Presse to be Printed against mee Next you come in your 22 page to that question wherein resides the Supreme power of the Kingdome and upon this Argument you continue neare to the end of your Book and in page 23 you begin your Que●ies and first you aske what I meane by three Estates and yet in the same and the foregoing pages you

receiving into their Honourable House by any p●bli●e act manifested to the world the least dislike thereof and yet must Lon●●●s Remonstrance by one of its own members be charged with raising a prejudice against the Parliaments innoceney I pray consider whether by this you doe not first charge the House of Lords for their being well satisfied with that which yet you say doth raise a prejudice against the Parliaments innocencie And secondly whether you doe not prejudge the judgement of the House of Commons and therein breake the Priviledge of Parliament in passing such a sentence and laying such a charge upon that which yet lyeth under their consideration I onely offer these two Quaeries to your after or second consideration But for a ● this you say that this shall bee fully evidenced before you have done Answ. I pray remember what it is that in this you promise and be sure that in the particulars of it you make your Charge good otherwise you must not bee offended nor take it ill if according to the common Proverbe you be judged to be one of them which will undertake more in an houre then you can performe in an age I appeal to the Reader whether as yet either the Moderate reply or this your Remonstrance Remonstrated hath in any one instance which either of you have given or in all that both of you have done done any thing which proves that the City Remonstrance hath raised a prejudice against the Parliaments innocency and t●●ly you must needs beare with me in this that I cannot judge your bare word to be of that Authority as to beleeve it because you affirme it especially considering the honorable House of Commons hath not as yet passed any the least displeasing sentence against it and the honorable House of Lords hath declared that they are wel satisfied with the particulars contained in it And both House● of Parliament since their receiving of this Remonstrance have in the Propositions sent to his Majesty for a safe w●l grounded Peace● even in terminis proposed more to his Maje●ty for his R●oyall assent as unto Reformation of Religion then the Remonst●ant● have desired in their second third and fourth Petitidus so much condemned by you for the drift of all that they desire is 〈◊〉 an equall conformity of all the Subjects of England to the publike dis●ipline and doctrine set forth or to bee set forth by Authority of Parliament as by reference to those three Petitions will clearely shew but both Houses of Parliament in their great wisdome faithfulnesse and care for the publike safety and peace of the Kingdome have in the fifth and sixth Articles of the Propositions in these words thus proposed viz. Ar●ic 5. That Reformation of Religion accordin● to 〈…〉 by Act of Parliame●● in such manner as both Ho●ses have agreed 〈…〉 agree upon after consultation had with the Assembly of 〈◊〉 And Article 6 it thus followeth For 〈◊〉 much as ●ot● Kingdome● are 〈◊〉 oblig●d by the same Covm●n● to indeavo●● the ●●arest ●onjunction and unif●rmity in matters of Religion that such unity and 〈◊〉 in Religi●n according to the Covenant as after 〈…〉 Divines of b●t● Kingdomes now assembled 〈…〉 shall bee 〈◊〉 agreed ●pon 〈◊〉 Houses of Parliament of England and by the Ch●rch and Kingdome of Scotland be 〈◊〉 by Acts of Parliament of both Kingdomes respectively And therefore were I thought worthy to bee of your Councell I sho●ld advise you to bee so inge●●ous as in this to confesse your error and not to imagine that you see more in the City Remonstran●e then either one or both Houses of Parliament can yet discerne and for after times I wou●d perswade you to forbeare the thus unjust besm●a●ing and falsly acc●sing that City wh●reof you are a member 〈◊〉 amongst whom under God you enjoy your livelihood You g●e on and say 〈…〉 Reply 〈◊〉 with adversary ●pon adversary representi●● the Au●hor of the said ●ooke a lyer because 〈◊〉 tells 〈…〉 a friend to the Parliament Ans● Truly these are fine 〈◊〉 if they were true to beget 〈…〉 Remonstrance and to ingratiate the opposer● in the eyes of the people But I pray what doe you 〈…〉 I must needs say you tread in the 〈…〉 Replyer 〈…〉 and it 's very 〈…〉 the book and the page if you 〈…〉 and tell us the truth you have told 〈…〉 you are called a Lyer and where you are 〈…〉 you are a friend to the Parliame●● 〈…〉 be taking with children 〈…〉 The next thing you fall upon is in your fourth page and that is the word Humble Remonstrance and upon this you descant in some similitudes as of Court complements and Cavaliers carriage and then in plaine termes you call it a Remonstrance invective against the Parliament Answ. You are full of charges though never so false and liberall in your expressions though you make nothing good I conceive you thinke your selfe safe and secure and perhaps you are so from ever giving an accompt of these your actions to any earthly authority but yet methink● the words of the ninth Commandement should be of some authority to you and beare some sway with you viz. Thou shalt not beare false witnesse against thy neighbour If not against a particular person then sure not against a Corporation a City whereof your self are a member Then you are offended at these expressions viz. Two late Libells published by two Anonymusses and you aske why I call them Libells before I prove them so Answ. They were so in themselves before I named them so neither called I them Libells for any of those reasons which you would have the world beleeve I did As first because they are written by an Antipresbyter nor yet because they containe in them lies falsities untruths though all these in severall instances are in the vindication made good against them nor because they are little Bookes nor yet singly because they are written against the City or because they are without the Authors Names but for these two last reasons joyntly and together A Libell I call that which is an untrue and therefore an unjust Charge upon or against a Person a Corporation a Court without any name annexed to make good what is there charged and in this respect I appeale to the Reader whether I did not truly and justly call them Libells Lastly before you come to the body of the Booke you have yet another fling against the Title A Vindication of the City Remonstrance that is say you a Vindication of that which is invindicable And therefore say you better it would bee that both the City Remonstrance and the vindication thereof were written in ashes with the finger of vanitie then in marble with the pen of a 〈◊〉 c. Answ. For ought I yet see it is but one 〈◊〉 opinion and he none of the gravest neither that the City Remonstrance is invindicable and what you have said to prove it to be so I desire the Reader to judge

conclude the minor and so the Commons are thereby pre●served from slavery but in another case the major part of the E●states doe conclude the minor viz. when the Lords and Common● doe agree upon a Law for the good and safety of the Kingdome then the King is concluded in that their agreement and ought t● set his flat thereunto For the Kings of England are bound by their Oaths to grant such Laws which shall bee for the good and safety of the Kingdome with the accord of their people in 〈◊〉 presented to them as in the preamble of the Statute made in the 25 yeare of ●dward the Third entituled The Statute of proviso●s of Benefices made at W●stminster in these words it doth appeare Whereupon the said Commons ha●e prayed our Soveraigne Lord the King that sith the Right of the Crowne of England and the Law of the said Realme is such that upon the mischiefs and damm●ges which ●appen to this Realme Hee ought and is bound by His Oath with the accord of His People in His Parliament thereof to make remedy and law And the King acknowledgeth this for a truth and accordingly Acted as in these following words in the same Statute it appeareth Our Soveraigne Lord the King seeing the mischiefes and dammages before mentione● and having r●gard to the Statute made in the time of his Grandf●ther and by so much as Hee is bounden by Hi● Oath to cause the 〈…〉 a Law of His Realme c. by the assent of all the great Men and Comm●nalty of ●is said Re●lme to the honor of God and profit of the said Church of England and of all His Realm● 〈◊〉 Ord●ined and es●ablished c. Thus farre the words of that Preamble and Statute upon which the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled say thus Viz. Here the Lords and Commons claime it directly as the right of the Crowne of England and of the Law of the Land tha● the King is bound by his O●th with the 〈◊〉 of his people in Parliament to make remedie and 〈…〉 the mischiefs and damm●g●s which happen to this Realme and the King doth not deny it C●llect of Declarations p. 229. L●t this suffice as answer to your third Querie Your fourth Que●ie is this Wheth●r ●ee viz. the King be present as a distinct Estate if so if one distinct Estate may bee present in power quatenus an Estate and absent in person m●y not a second Estat● be so present though absent in body yea a third Estate s● present and yet absent in body and so we shall have the Estates in Parliament and not a man amongst them this is a Riddle ind●ed Mr. Bellamie I pray you unfold this also Answ. At your request ●e undertake the taske your owne words grant that ●s well in Parliament as in all his inferiour Courts of Justice the King is present in his power these are your words viz. I know Sir hee is present in power in all his inferiour Cou●ts of Iustice as well as in the Parliament 24. Now in Parliament there is no power but the power of the three Estates viz. King Lords and Commons and therefore all the Acts that are en●cted by the power of Parliament are enacted by the power of the three Estates conjunction It is possible that the King may withdraw his person from the Parliament as now hee hath done but hee can never withdraw his power no not his power as a distinct Estate for in the making of every Act of Parliam●nt there is present in Parliament the power of all the three Estates without all which conjunctim no act can bee made But there is an Act made this Parliament by the free consent of all the three Estates in Parliament that this Parliament shall not be dissolved prorogued or adjourned without the consent of both Houses of Parliament first had and obtained viz. Anno 17 Caroli Regis entituled An Act to prevent inconveniences which may happen by the untimely adjourning proroguing dissolving of this present Parliament In 〈◊〉 Act are these words viz. Be it declared and enacted by the King our Soveraigne Lord with the assent of the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled and by the authority of the same That this present Parliament now assembled shall not bee dissolved unlesse it be by Act of Parliament to bee passed for that purpose nor shall b●e at any time or times during the Continuance thereof prorogued or adjourned unl●sse it be by Act of Parliament to be likewise passed for that purpose Now then thus I argue if at the passing of this Act of Parliament there was present the power of all the three Estates in Parliament viz. King Lords and Commons and by vertue of this Act of Parliament the Parliament cannot be dissolved prorogued or adjourned unlesse it be by act of Parliament to bee passed for that purpose then the power of all the three Estates viz. King Lords and Commons must needs continue in Parliament till by Act of Parliament to be passed for that purpose this Parliament bee dissolved prorogued or adjourned But at the passing of this Act of Parliament there was present the power of all the three Estates in Parliament viz. King Lords and Commons vide the Act 〈◊〉 supra and by vertue of this Act of Parliament the Parliament cannot be dissolved prorogued or adjourned unlesse it be by Act of Parliament to be passed for that purpose vide also the Act 〈◊〉 supra Therefore the Power of all the three Estates in Parliament viz. King Lords and Commons must needs continue in Parliament till by Act of Parliament to bee passed for that purpose this Parliament be dissolved prorogued or adjourned And thus the particular by me affirmed is clearly proved viz. That though the person of the King bee absent from the Parliament yet the power of the King viz. as one of the three Estates in Parliament is present with the Parliament I now come briefly to the second part of your Querie and will endeavour herein as you call it to unfold your Riddle the other two Estates in Parliament viz. Lords and Commons cannot be absent from the Parliament neither in power nor ye● in person thus farre ●e grant you that many of the members of either House may bee absent from either of their respective Houses and yet the two Estates of Parliament continue entire in Parliament for there must be at least three Lords present in the House of Lords to make it a House and so an Estate in Parliament and forty Commons with the Speaker in the House of Commons to make it an House and so an Estate in Parliament and therefore there cannot bee as you affirme three Estates in Parliament and not a man amongst them and this I give as an answer to your fourth Querie and if you please you may also let it passe for the unfolding of your Riddle In the ●ifth place in page 24. you have these words

or defective or any thing in the same newly happening where before there was no remedy ordained and have need of amending the same Major and Ald●rmen and their successors with the assent of the Commonalty of the same City may adde and ordaine a remedy meet faithfull and consonant to reason for the common profit of the Citizens of the same City as oft and at such time as to them shall be thought expedient which Charter was confi●med by act of Parliament 43 yeares after in the 7 of Rich. 2 Now if you can produce the like authority granted alone to the House of Commons by the Parliament that they of themselves without the consent of the King and the Lords have power to make lawes for the Kingdome as by this Charter the Lord Major Aldermen and their successors with the assent of the Commons of London haue for the City then you hit the bu●ines a●ight indeed but otherwise I thinke your argument is not true And therefore for after times let me advise you that if you will imitate an argument in the words of it be sure you imitate it also in the proofes of it and let them be as full and cleare for the confirmation of what you affirme for it is not words though never so smooth that proves any thing in matters of fact as this is And truly should I have laid down that argument to prove the power of the Court of Common-councell as unto the making of City laws to bee above the Lord Major and Aldermen and not have proved it de facto by the acts of the Court of Common-councell I should have thought it at least to have been a scandalum Magnatum against the Lord Major and Aldermen and very blame-worthy in my selfe to have done it But perhaps you think the condition of the King and the Lords to bee such as that whatever you speak or publish concerning them tending to the annihilating of their legislative power and authority in Parliament can neither be an offence to them nor a fault in you or if it bee it seemes you regard it not but I hope you will not take it amisse if as I did in that so I desire you in this either to produce a proof d● facto to make good that the House of Commons hath by an Act of that House alone conferred a power upon the King and Lords as King and Lords they had not before which are the very word● of your argument or else in plaine English to tell the Reader● that though you can transcribe the words of my argument which a childe of ten yeares old can doe as well as you yet now upon second thoughts you must needs confesse you come very short in a parallel proofe of it there neither now being nor never was any act of the House of Commons that doth prove that that House alone and by it selfe did ever make a law which did confer a power upon the King and Lords which as King and Lords they had not before and without this proofe I perswade my selfe no man will beleeve that as unto the making of a law the House of Commons is above the King and Lords though Mr. I. P. affirmes it to bee so And this I give not onely as a solution to this your argument but also to the other arguments which follow viz. concerning the power of the House of Commons alone without the King and Lords to repeale what lawes they think meet and to make laws and rules for all the Courts and people in England to bee steered and acted by and whereunto say you the King himselfe is bound by his Oath and therefore ought in duty to cons●ut and likewise to that which you say will follow from my logick viz. that the Kingdome representative is inferiour in its power in reference to the government of the Kingdome then the City representative is in reference to the government of the City and to the other Queries which you ground upon them for they all alike hang upon this string and if in the opinion of the Reader to whose judgement I referre it this be ●ut asunder I am sure they must all then needs fall to the ground and therefore I shall not need to trouble my self any more with them And now Mr. I. P. I have endeavoured with all the candor and tendernesse I could to examine your Book and have not I hope let one word fall from mee that in the least measure doth reflect upon your person for it is the matter of your Book and not any of your personall infirmities for alasse the Lord know● I have work more then enough to meddle with and to master my own or other your supposed errors in matters of Religion that I encounter with And if we cannot yet agree in this present difference and debate my earnest desire is and I trust ●y endeavour shall for ●ver be answerable thereunto that wee may manage the matter with that sweet moderation and temper of Spirit as becommeth Christians for of this I am confident that though through weaknesse or error in judgement perhaps mine not yours we cannot agree together to live in one Church fellowship or communion here upon earth yet we shall for ever mutually enjoy communion and fellowship with God the Father with Christ with the blessed Spirit three Persons in one Essence and with the holy Angels and the glorified Saints for ever in heaven And therefore I beseech you while we yet live here in this vale of teares let us remember and obey that counsell the Apostle gives us Philip 3. 15 16. Let us therefore as many as bee perfect bée thus minded and if in any thing you bee otherwise minded God shall reveale even this unto you neverthelesse whereunto we have already attained let us walke by the same rule let us mind the same thing I shall gladly imbrace and entertaine any truth of God which shall by you bee held forth unto mee with the warrant of his Word and as willingly leave and forsake whatever either in opinion or practice I now hold or doe that shall bee made apparent to be dissonant thereto for I solemnly professe unto you that I labour not for Masteries neither desire I to give the last blow I esteem it no shame to be conquered when Christ proves the Victor nor no losse to bee vanquished when the Truth prevailes for it's verity not victory that shall be my comfort A POSTSCRIPT I Have at this time no more to say either to your selfe or to your Book but in one word to let the Reader know that my desire and endevour to afford you all the faire quarter that possibly I could in this our Conflict about this Subject was such That I did upon Saturday the 8 of this instant August in the presence of Mr. Samuel Clarke Pastor of Bennet Fynck London and of Mr. Iames Story and Mr. Henry Overton two of yours and of my owne acquaintance shew you in Writing this my Justification of the City Remonstrance and its Vindication before ever I tendered it either to be Licensed or Printed and desired you to peruse it and if there was any thing in it either for matter of Fact or otherwise that you could justly except against I would expunge it and it should never see the light And when you would not accept of that offer I then read some passages in the Epistle to you which I told you that in my apprehension they were the things which most nearly concerned your Person this I did to manifest my unwillingnesse to let any thing passe from mee that might bee either prejudiciall to the Truth or justly distastefull to your Person and if it be possible to overcome evill with good FINIS In the absence of the Author these following Errata's escaped in the printing of the Vindication which I pray thus Correct Page 2. line 23. for you will charge read you will not charge p. 6. l. 30. for and Sectaries ● of Sectaries p. 7. l. 1. for till r. the p. 8. l. last for stated r. sacred p. 14. l 22 for finde in r. finde it in l. 24. for these their words r. these are their words p. 23 l. 27. for elected r erected p. 26. l. 26. for ones Poesie r Ovids Poesie