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A94730	An antidote against the venome of a passage, in the 5th. direction of the epistle dedicatory to the whole book of Mr. Richard Baxter teacher at Kederminster in Worcestershire, intituled, The saints everlasting rest, containing a satyricall invective against Anabaptists / by Iohn Tombes B.D. Lately teacher at Bewdley in the same county.	Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.	1650 (1650)	Wing T1797; Thomason E602_20; ESTC R206421	26,378	40

among Hereticks even then when I made earnest suite to him to have his Arguments in writing that I might examine them which I cannot any way obtaine as yet hath more manifestly shewed himself resolved to break with Me and to renounce Me as one unfit for communion with him then any action I ever did shewed the like disposition in Me towards him Mr. Baxter sayth I cannot digresse to fortifie you against these Sects I confesse a Discourse against those Sects as he calls them had been a Digression from the subject of his Treatise but not from the matter of his Epistle and the fifth Direction he gives to his Neighbours of Kederminster But why can he not digresse I can ghesse no other reason but his haste willing he was in his Epistle before that Book which was likely to sell to blast my reputation by Name and other dissenters from him without naming them whether to ease his stomack or to what other end he knowes best though he little considered what he wrote He goes on you have seen God speake against them by judgements from Heaven what were the two monsters in New England but miracles I Answer what judgements from heaven by wch God spak against the Sects he mentions they had seen I could never yet learn of his Neighbours though I have lived very near them have often conversed with them and had them my auditors till I imagin M. Baxters opposition to Me took them off Nor doe I think if Mr. Baxter were put to name the judgements by which God spake from Heaven against the Sects he names would he mention any other then the two Monsters in New England which I am confident neither Mr. Baxter nor any of his Neighbours of Kederminster saw These two Monsters are mentioned in the Margin of his book Pag. 232. to be the most hideous monstrous births of Mistris Hutchinson and Mistris Dier In Mr. Welds story of the Antinomians I finde mention in the Preface of thirty monstrous births or thereabouts brought forth by Mistris Hutchinson at once some of them bigger some of them lesser some of one shape some of another few of any perfect shape none at all of them so far as he could learne of humane shape And of Mistris Dyer that she brought forth her birth of a woeman child a Fish a beast and a foule all woven together in one and without an head which he describes pag. 44. of his Story The truth of the Relation I question not but that they were Miracles as Mr. Baxter takes the word Miracle in his second part Ch. 4. Sect. 1. c. in which he distinguisheth between Wonders and Miracles I think cannot be made good If we finde not the like story in every point yet we reade of many monstrous births as that of the Earle of Hollands daughter and many other yet neither Divines nor Philosophers nor Physicians that I know do reckon them among Miracles Nor do I think it a very safe way to take such Accidents as Arguments for or against any Tenet Camden in his Britannia describing Wiltshire makes mention of a Synod in Calne whereat upon the falling of the roome and preservation of Dunstan it was judged that God had determined for Monkery Many more such strange accidents doe both Heathen and Ecclesiasticall Histories mention for confirmation of superstition and errors which Mr. Baxter himself takes notice of Pag. 240. by which People have been lead to errors And therefore I think Mr. Baxter doth ill to direct his Neigbhours of Kederminster to such accidents to fortifie them against Sects And I have ever judged it a very unsafe and I thinke an evill course that many Preachers have taken to affright their People with relations of accidents befalling Men whom they judge erroneous thereby to deter them from so much as examining their Tenet as being contrary to Pauls admonition of trying all things 1 Thess. 5. 21. and directing to another way of discerning between truth and error then the holy Scripture contrary to John 5. 39. Mark 12. 24. 2 Tim. 3. 16. Deut. 13. 1 2. and Isai. 8. 20. c. which is derogatory to the Scriptures use and directing them by judgements from heaven to judge of Doctrines of which many Relations are not true as I am sure for one instance in the relations of Gods Judgement upon Sabbath breakers to which Mr. Baxter referrs Pag. 230. concerning Mr. Powle of Lemster in my time of being there and not far off from the place when it happened in the relation of which there are sundry mistakes and untruths nor did the circumstances shew the accident to be Gods Voyce to that end the compiler of that Book applies it But if the relations of the accidents be true yet it is uncertaine whether the Devill do not speak by them untill it appear first that the Tenet they are applied to confirme be of God which may be known by the Scriptures without relying on such accidents And it is well known that Papists use them as well as the Orthodox and make them a note of their Church and Doctrine which is rejected by Protestants But were it granted a safe way to judge of Doctrines by such judgements of God yet in all the story of Mr. Weld forementioned I finde not a word of Mistris Hutchinson or Mistris Dyer or any other of these whose errors are taken to be condemned by those accidents as holding Antipaedobaptisme I finde Mistris Dyer and her Husband to have been taken for Familists Pag. 44. Mistris Hutchinson to have held 29 errors Pag. 60. but none of them against Infant baptisme Mr. Baxter himself in the Margin of his book Pag. 232. bids aske them in New England whether they were not convincing providences against their Antinomian Antiscripturall heresies Why then doth Mr. Baxter tell his Neigbours of these judgements speaking against the Sects he mentions indefinitely when it was but against one of them in his own construction and place his speech where it might be and is commonly taken and was alledged upon Mr. Baxters credit in Pulpit in the Parish in which I taught as spoken against Antipaedobaptists but that it is most likely Mr. Baxter in that passage chiefly intended to make Me in particular and other opposers of Infant-baptisme odious and the truth we hold though he did thereby misleade Men for which the Lord forgive Him Yet I will adde thus much that I finde among the 82 errors condemned in New England in that story the 21 to be this To be justified by Faith is to be justified by Workes which how near it is to Mr. Baxters Doctrine in his Aphorisms of justification Thes. 20. 70. 72 73 74 75 76. in this Treatise Pag. 11. Doubtlesse the Gospel takes Faith for our obedience to all Gospell Precepts which he teacheth in his Aphorismes Thes. 76. and expounds James 2. 24. of justification before God by works in a proper sense and those were giving food or cloathing

because the visible Church of the Iews was the whole Nation brought into Covenant together by Abraham and Moses without previous instruction but the Christian visible Church had another state and constitution being gathered by Apostles and other Preachers by teaching them the Gospel and thereby making them Disciples some in one Country City Family some in another no one Country or City or Tribe together but so many of all as the Lord vouchsafed to call by his Word and Spirit Which was enough to answer the main Argument Mr Baxter brought from Deut. 29. 10 11 12. Rom. 11. 19 20. The grossest of absurdities he conceived I was driven to I take it was that I conceived thou Deut. 29. 12. not to comprehend little ones of which I have given account above What other gross absurdities I was driven to when Mr Baxter will shew them I shall then make an Answer He neither did charge me with any such gross absurdities nor could drive me to any when he and I had a whole Afternoons Conference at Kederminster in his Chamber with him alone Ianua 25. after that he knew my Answers to his Arguments delivered in a Sermon at Bewdly Chappel Ianua 20. And for his last censure as if there were little tender conscientious fear of erring left in me it shews a very great height of pride in him to take on him to judg my spirit and uncharitableness or malignity towards me who would thus censure me when if he had any spark of charity to me he might have perceived a very great and consciencious fear of erring in me who afore I did publish any thing did first try what the London Ministers could say for Infant Baptism in six days private dispute and after applyed my self to a Committee of the Assembly and particularly to Mr Marshal and waited nineteen moneths afore I published my Writings about Infants Baptism as may be seen in my Examen and Apology not unknown to Mr Baxter Yea my proceedings with Mr Baxter shewed the same fear of erring having afore I would adventure to preach at Bewdly first endevored to get his Animadversions in writing on some part of my Review not yet printed which he would not yeeld and after that many moneths endeavored to get his Arguments in writing that my Neighbors and my self might be satisfied and I desist from preaching what I intended or else might go more surely to work in asserting my Tenet But it seems Mr Baxter was resolved to lie close till he could by provocations draw me to a publique Dispute presuming he should carry the fame of a victory which would serve his and the rest of his parties turn to lessen my esteem and to hold the people in the superstition of Infant-Baptism And for himself I leave it to his own Conscience and understanding men to judge how little conscientions feare of erring he had who would not though so often requested communicate his Arguments in Writing to me to be examined afore he vented them so openly and how little Brotherly care he had to keepe me from error by giving me his Arguments to stay me from Preaching that which his Speeches provoked me to and he knew as I am assured that I did intend To conclude I am enforced to expresse it as a grievance that I have neither found that love of Truth Candor nor love to me either before or in the Dispute or since which I expected in Mr. Baxter and which encouraged me to yeeld to the Dispute mentioned by him As for the two flings he hath at me in the sixth direction of his Epistle where he mentions some that say no truth must be concealed for Peace and saith they have usually as little of the one as the other I had hoped I had satisfied Mr. Baxter in a Letter by acquainting him with what limitation I meant if not expressed my position thereof which if he had been willing to deale fairely with me he should have mentioned As for Mr. Baxters wayes how far they are from Truth or Peace may easily be discerned by his managing the business between him and me My friendly and ready coming to him Ianua 25. shewed my desire of both The other is in those words Temptations are now come neer your doors which I imagine he spake because of my Vicinity to them His Neighbors I think will bear me witness I taught them many Truths when they did hear me which formerly was very frequent and I still tender their good so far as to be unwilling to mislead them how ever they may think of me by Mr Baxters descriptions of me And were I fit to give them Counsel I would warn them to take heed of the Temptations that are indeed now come neer their doors in the high esteem they have of Mr Baxter which may cause them to drink in his Errors of which I have said before he seems to me not to be free and others in all parts as his own words in a Letter to me do import do charge him with more largely then I do Other things in his Treatise I let them pass But for the point in dispute between him and me if he add any thing more as I am told he intends if the Lord assist I shall examine it when I have it in writing and in the mean time do wish him mentem sanam in corpore sano FINIS Mr. Baxter in the Se● everlasting rest pag. 224. Hee sent out Ministers and not Magistrats to bring in the world And pag. 3 he saith the Nation of the Jewes and all proselyted Gentiles were holy before Mr Baxter himself in this his Book of the Saints everlasting rest Part. 2. ch. 6. Sect. 1. p. 2●2 expresseth Christs charge to his Apostles thus go Preach and make me Disciple of all Nations See Field of the Church 3. Book Ch. 52. Morton Apol. Cath part 1. l. 2. c. 6. Alsted supplem Cham. de Eccles. l. 2. c. 13 Sect 3. Vide Dr Chaloners Credo Ecclesiam Catholicam Davenant Exhort to Peace