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A45824	The corrector corrected: or, some sober reflections on a late book of Mr. Thomas Danson's published by him (as he pretends) to correct an immodest and false account (as he calls it) of two conferences between him and Mr. Ives, formerly printed about the saints perseverance. By which the former accounts of the said disputations are justified, and Mr. Danson's latter account justly blamed, as being filled with impertinencies, railings, false accusations, unchristian and unmanly reflections upon the person, opinion, and trade of his antagonist. Evidenced to the judgment of every ingenious reader. By Jer. Ives.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1672 (1672)	Wing I1097; ESTC R221622	15,362	33

it Secondly Since Mr. Danson saith that it is the language of such as Dr. Crisp to say that let a godly man sin never so much it shall be well with him which saith he is the language which we disown yet withall he adds that there is a truth in it that how much soever a godly man sins he shall be pardoned whereupon I demand how Mr. Danson can disown it and in the next Sentence say there is a truth in it Thirdly I demand how it can be a dangerous supposition and yet a true supposition To suppose that if a godly man sins never so much he shall be pardoned for he saith there is a truth in it and yet saith it is dangerous but what danger is there to assert and believe a truth unless it be a danger to Mr. Dansons reputation when his people shall perceive him so palpably contradictious to himself Fourthly Whereas Mr. Carril and Mr. Danson both say that there is a truth in that supposition that how much soever a godly man sins he shall be pardoned and yet in the next words tells us that the Scripture useth no such language And Mr. Carril upon the same place in Job saith The Spirit of God makes no such supposition and the form of wholesome words teacheth every man rather to speak thus if I am wicked woe unto me Hence I demand how there can be a truth in any divine Doctrin which is not the language of holy Scripture No marvail Mr. Danson was angry and called me a conceited ignorant Fellow when I called upon him for a plain Text to prove his Doctrine see my Book page 156. since he saith there is a truth in this Doctrine though he saith it be not the language of the Scripture nor according to the form of wholesome words He that can resolve these questions and can reconcile such palpable contradictions shall be my magnus Apollo viz. that a Doctrine can be dangerous and contrary to what Job speaks and yet true a supposition as the Spirit of God no where supposeth and which is not found in the language of holy Scripture and form of wholesome words and yet true and which Mr. Danson himself saith he disowns and yet after all this saith there is a truth in it When Mr. Danson hath reconciled these Sentences I will have them advanced into the number of Orthodox paradoxes But what is all this to the matter objected in page 104 of my book viz. that Mr. Danson saith in his book of the Quakers folly page 38. That David when he was guilty of Murder and Adultry was not in a condemned but a justified state This though I charge him with it once and again yet like a man afraid or ashamed he passeth by it and saith nothing at all to it and whereas I charge others of them in divers if their books which I refer to in my Appendix with saying the regenerate dye in Christ though they dye in impenitency and that the people of God need not question their condition though their sins be never so great and that God loved the Corinthians in their Adulteries Idolatries and ungodlyness as much as when they were believers washed justified and sanctified And that it is not the manner of Gods people to confess and forsake their sin in order to Salvation and that they that cannot preach mex sins are forgiven till they see them repent and reform their lives are ignorant preachers and that no sin any true believer can commit can move God to hate them neither will God love them ever a whit the worse though they commit never so many and so great sins These are the Antinomian notions I charge Mr. Danson and divers of his Brethren withall of which charge he in his book promised to clear them See his Epistle to his book page 6. But I think they will never give him thanks for his labour when they shall find that he takes no notice of all these pernicious doctrines asserted by them and charged upon them as any one may see that reads his book but instead of clearing them brings Mr. Carril to speak the same thing for them all by which he confirms the whole charge viz. that if a godly man sins never so much it shall be forgiven him though the Scripture saith he useth no such language But if this godly man have not sinned himself out of his senses he will never believe such Ministers that tell them of pardons that are not to be found in the Scriptures nor supposed by the spirit of God as Mr. Carril and Mr. Danson confesseth see Mr. Carril upon Job 10.16 and Mr. Danson subscribing to him in his book page 81. Sure I am a little ticket from Rome as one calls it will as soon assure a godly man of pardon though he sins never so much as Mr. Danson can assure him in the like case if such doctrines are not the language of holy Scripture For would not this be a wonderful Cordial to a godly man in an hour of desertion and temptation to tell him that he need not be cast down for though he hath sinned never so much against God he shall be pardoned and to assure him of the truth of this comfortable Doctrine tell him Mr. Danson saith and Mr. Carril saith there is a truth in it though it be not the language of holy Scripture Were it not much better for this godly man to send for a Romish Priest and take absolution from him for in so doing he shall have the Faith of their Church for his assurance though he hath no word of God for it and I think that as good if not better then the assurance of such pardons Mr. Danson talks of which he saith are not found in the language of holy Scripture Other antinomian passages he hath p. 32. 33. which like the Papists he accounts for truth though they are not found in the language of the holy Scripture viz. that David in his committing Murder and Adultry did never wickedly depart from God and to prove this he suborns the 18th Psalm for a witness where David says I have not wickedly departed from God whence he infers that David never wickedly departed fron him but whoever considers 2 Sam 22. shall find that David likewise faith that he did not depart from Gods statutes and Psal 119. v. 101 102. I have saith David refrained my feet from every evil way and I have not departed from thy judgments May not a man as well argue that David never sinned because he saith I have refrained my feet from every evil way and that he had never departed from Gods statutes because he saith I have not departed from them as say as Mr. Danson saith that because David says I have not wickedly departed from God that therefore he never wickedly departed from him For by the same parity of reason that David did not wickedly depart from God in the committing Murder and Adultry because he

I said that those Cautions that are given to visible believers in general that they should take heed of falling away did suppose the possibility of it in the nature of the thing in true believers also because man is but mutable and Grace is but a Creature and therefore certainly may be lost and yet it is certainly impossible as to true believers upon the supposition of the Divine decree and Christ promise to presence and uphold the Grace of true believers to which I subjoyn in a different Character as a further Answer upon his distinction this is just as if a man should say the whole earth is possible to be overflowed with Water with respect to the Nature of the thing though with respect to the decree of God it is impossible but then I add that if God hath made such a decree no man hath any more reason to fear a universal inundation because of such a decree then he had to fear it if it were impossible with respect to the nature of the thing in like manner if it be impossible to fall from Grace with respect to the decree of God there is no more reason to fear falling then there would have been had it been impossible with respect to the nature of the thing Thus I not only mention his distinction but takes pains to argue it of in Page 27 and 28. of my Book and yet this man hath the confidence to tell his Reader in Page 2. of his Book that I left it out and relate only his denial of the Major Thirdly A third omission he chargeth me with is that in my Book I left all the explication he gave of inlightning which he infered from 1 John 5. Luke 4.1 how that all inlightning was not a Character of true believers unless the Devil be a true believer See his Book Page 10. Now that this is a notorious falsity any one may see that reads my Book Page 46. 47. in which Pages I bring in Mr. Danson thus answering upon this distinction A person saith he may be so far inlightned and not a true believer as to assent to this proposition that Jesus Christ is the Son of God 1 John 5. compared with Luke 4 4. here are both the Texts that he grounds the distinction and the explication it self and then in Page 47. I bring him in giving a further explication of himself in these words I have shewen you saith he that pesons may be so far inlightned as to believe that Jesus is the Christ as the Devils themselves did yet he saith Page 10. all this explication of inlightning I have omitted if men can speak falsely at such a wilful rate they deserve not to be credited when they speak the truth Fourthly He saith I omitted his Argument of the 1. John 3.9 Whosoever is born of God cannot sin c. see his Book P. 47. Now see my Book Page 101 102 103. where I bring in Mr. Danson not only quoting the Text but inferring from it several times that believers cannot sin as wicked men do as a y may see that reads my book where I express and r●peat his Arguments with all his improvements of it and yet this man saith saith I have omited it Fif●hly He saith my disingenuity is remarkable that I leave out the word Spiritual which saith he I did often perhaps not always add as a limitation of the promises made to Israel See his book p. 56. Here Mr. Danson chargeth me with an Emphasis not onely for being disingenious but adds that I am remarkably disingenious for leaving out the word Spiritual in his argument on Jer. 32. But Mr. Danson is the more remarkably dishonest for falc●fying my book and abusing his Re●der that perhaps may never compare both ●ooks together for this very word Spiritual I mention six times in 5 pages one after another as spoken by Mr. Danson by which he limits the promise in the 32d of Jer. as made to Israel in things spiritual and yet Mr. Danson is so carnal as to say I am remarkably disingenious for leaving it out for proof hereof read my book p. 131. where you will find I charge him for running in a Ring and disputing circularly and therefore pray him to prove the promises in Jer. 32. are made to all true believers then I bring in Mr. Danson giving this answer IN SPIRITUAL THINGS saith he here I mention the word the first time again I mention it the second time in page 132. where I charge him with saying whatever is predicated of all the Israel of God is predicated of all true believers to this I bring in Mr. Danson giving this answer I told you saith he IN SPIRITUAL THINGS The third time I mention it is in p. 132. That there may be some promises made to the Israel of God that are not appropriated to all true beleivers I bring Mr. Danson in using this limitation I say saith he as to SPIRITVAL blesings I mention him using the same phrase a fourth time in the same forecited p. 133. this clause saith he I will put my fear in their hearts IS SPIRITUAL my argument saith he lies in that the fifth time I mention the word is in p. 134. of my book there I bring in Mr. Danson speaking thus I bring this Text saith he to prove that the phrase the Israel of God comprehends all true believers because saith he that the promise that is here made is SPIRITVAL A 6th time I mention the word is in p. 135. of my book where I tell him he is to conclude that all the promises that are made to the Israel of God are made to all true believers To this I bring in Mr. Danson giving this answer I say saith he it is the promise in SPIRITUAL things I have put this word Spiritual in Capitals that all may see he is as capitally Criminal in depraving my Writings both in the words and very letter of them as he is in defaming my person for every passage that threatens danger to his cause must be mutilated and dismembred and as Sampson was by the Philistines lose its hair and eyes and then as one well observes upon the same occasion be made sport for the whole party 6ly Mr. Danson accuseth me in p. 49. of his book for saying that the promise of the Land of Canaan had no condition expressed or implied in all the Scripture which is notoriously false for it was onely a stranger that was at the Dispute that did accuse me for saying so but I presently convinced him of his mistake for which he publickly craved my pardon as I relate it in my book 122. and which is not denied by Mr. Danson and yet he mounts upon confidence and says I said so 7ly Whereas in my Appendix I charge Mr. Danson and divers other Ministers for making one heart with Dr. Crisp by their publishing Antinomian notions that tend to Ranterism Mr. Danson replies that how smooth●y soever I th nk to ca ry it Dr. Crisp speaks of the Elect but the other Divines speak of Believers See his book p. 82. But this is as false as the rest for I sometimes bring in Dr. Crisp applying these notions to Believers as well as they see my book p. 195. none saith he dare serve a Writ of Damnation on a Believer though he should b● overtaken with gross sins and some of those other Divines as he calls them applies the like sayings to the E ect as well it not as ill as Dr. Crisp for Mr. Eyres whom Dr. Owen commends and whom I quote in my book p. 196. saith that the Elect Corinthians had no more sight to Heaven after they believed then they had in the midst of their Fornicators Th●fts and Extortions And yet this man tells his Reader a story as if it were Dr. Crisp that applied these sayings to the Elect their Ministers understood them of Belieuers There are many more of this kind which I forbear to name knowing that these instances may serve sufficiently to shew all so●●● Christians what spirit inspired him in inditeing his book wh●ch though it consists of six sheets of Paper about 3 of those sheets are spent in creating new Argum●nts and Answers that he confess●th were not urged in the Dispute all which will shew that he hath better ski l to answer Arguments of his own making then mine But I shall leave the Reader to judge whether Mr. Danson hath sufficiently answered my Arguments or proved his own by comparing the books together FINIS