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A86442 Some observations upon a sermon bearing the name of Mr. Astley's; preached in opposition to a testimony, and sign unto them, of their spiritual nakedness; wherein he is found to wrest and pervert the scriptures : to be ignorant of the truth, as it is in Jesus; and consequently no minister of Christ, &c. / By a lover of the truth, John Hogg. Hogg, John, fl. 1675-1698. 1675 (1675) Wing H2368A; ESTC R178082 15,967 23

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c. That which eye hath not seen nor ear heard neither came it into mans heart c. So that is beyond the Scripture 1 Cor. 2.9 neither is nor can be revealed by them because God reveals them by his Spirit for the Spirit searcheth all things 1 Cor. 2.9 Jere. 31.33 34. even the deep things of God Again it is the promise that God would write his Law in the heart this is that inspiration which is to be looked for above and beyond the Scriptures and that because it gives the knowledge of God So as that they need not to be taught or said unto know the Lord which the Scripture cannot do At utmost but pointing to it Obs God doth not there say he will write his Law in the Scriptures but in the heart therefore all that looks not for it in the heart looks for it where it is not to be found so must needs miss Thus take it home profess what you will if you do not thus witness it you are not yet in the new Covenant So without God in the World c. He further saith no Promise of a dispensation Superiour to the Scriptures c. Thus his Ignorance is made manyfest both of that Dispensation and also of the Scriptures Isai 54.13 Jere. 31.33 34 for the Scriptures declare that all shall be taught of God is not this greater then to be taught of man or of the Scripture Secondly God said he would Write his Law it the heart and they should all know him from the least to the greatest Lastly Joel 2.28 29. The Prophet Joel said the Lord would pour forth of his Spirit upon all flesh Sons Daughters and Handmaids c. Where this is truly known there 's nothing to do where such an Ignorant Teacher as he is whose words render him ignorant of the Scripture and of the Spirit that gave them forth He further saith Isa 8.20 To the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to this Word it 's because there is no light in them Obs By this his conclusion he hath no light in him or rather no morning to him for he hath often in this discourse spoken contrary to the Scriptures And as for the Law and Testimony seeing he pleads for none but that which is outward It 's thereby evident he is Ignorant of the New Covenant and knows nothing of the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus Ro. 8.2 c. And so at utmost declares but of that which makes not the comers thereunto perfect So no marvail if perfection be denyed c. Again he speaks by way of reflection upon us as though we preached another Gospel but it s more like that he and such who preach the Letter to be the Highest dispensation and tell the People the Letter is the Gospel as the Writings of Mathew Mark Luke John when as the Gospel is the Power of God and so no outward thing And was preached to Adam Ro. 1.16 Heb. 4.2 Gal 3.8 to Abraham and the Israelites in the wilderness so before the Writings of Mathew Mark Luke John Fourthly He sayes if there be any such dispensation to be looked for then there must of necessity be something to try it by to distinguish it from false Appearances Obs If he intend further then the Scripture declares of I answer none further for the Scriptures speaks of a People that was come to City of the Living God New Jerusalem to an Innumerable company of Angels and to God the Judge of all Heb 12. this under the New Covenant But that he is Ignorant of this he has sufficiently shewed and knows nothing of him that speaks from Heaven Heb. 12.25 But sayes he there must of necessity be something to try it by c. Ans So there is Job 28.7 but it lyes hid from every Vultures eye for the day is come that the Cananite can be no more in the House of the Lord Zach 14 21. nor can Israels Corn be any more meat for his Enemies a Stranger cannot intermeddle with his Joy for the testimony is bound up Isa 8 16 and the Law sealed among his Disciples The Natural man cannot judge of those things they are foolishness unto him It 's the Spiritual man which judgeth all things that is led by the Spirit of God which is a more absolute guide then the Scriptures for they that are led by it It bears Witness with their Spirits Rom. 8.16 Joh. 5.10 that they are the Sons of God which the Scriptures cannot doe particularly But saith the Scripture every one that believeth hath the witness in hi mselfe but to speak a little plainer for their sakes that can receive it if any would be made able to Judge of such dispensation they must wait to know a measure given them for they may read before John did measure the Temple and them that worshipped therein he had a measure given but the outward Court he was not to mett c. Re. 11.1 And are not all here who are setting up so high outward things When the New Covenant is inward and the Law inward Joh. 4.24 2 Cor. 4.18 Joh. 12.36 Ephe. 5.13 and Gods worship in the Spirit and in the Truth which are all inward in respect of things that are outward what is seen is temporal but that which is not seen is Eternal but no man can understand those things except he come to believe in the Light for it is Light that makes all things manyfest there is but light and darkness and they are contrary one to another Joh. 12.35 2 Cor. 44. Eph 2.2 1 Joh. 1.7 Joh. 1.5 he that walks in darkness knows not whither he goes because the darkness hath blinded his Eye And that eye is inward which is blinded by the God of this world that ruleth in the children of disobedience but he that comes to the light and walks in the light as God is in the Light knows whither he goes this light shines in darkness but the darkness comprehends it not 2 Cor. 4.6 7. And this light is to be looked for in the heart for God that commanded light to shine out of darknesse hath shined in our hearts none can deny but the Law of God by which man comes to know God must be written in the heart Heb. 8.10.11 except they will deny the New Covenant Thus what I have said is not contrary to the Scriptures but hath Testimony of the Law Prophets and Apostles we do not make void the Scriptures but establish them saying the Law is for the Lawless and that the Scriptures are profitable for correction and Instruction c. So he may correct me by them if there be occasion c. But again to pass by much of his discourse which is mostly impertinent to our purpose and well nigh as frivilous I shall observe his 4 directions Which he says he gives least he
by nakednesse were meant altogether naked then his feet would have been Naked as well as the rest Obs In his first reasoning to prove that Isa was not all naked he sayes it is not said put off both thy Shoes but put off a Shoe which is in contradiction to his foregoing reason that he said might convince His second reason to convince that Isa was not all Naked because no necessitie for it by the sign he was to be Egypt sayes he c. was to be led away with their Buttocks uncovered Infersing that this was all that Isaiah was to be a Sign of contrary to the Scriptures which saith like as my Servant Isa hath walked naked and barefoot c. Obs So shall the Egyptians be led away naked and bare foot and to express the shame more fully even with their Buttocks bare to the shame of Egypt c. Thus he hath truly shown the vanity of his own Immaginations according to his promise by wresting and perverting the Scripture and in contradicting himselfe as First Isa was but to put off a Shoe Secondly to put off nothing but his Sackcloth And lastly makes use of the being barefooted all this his confused work has been to prove Isa was but part naked contrary to the Scriptures c. 3. His third Immagination considered which because it carryes most show of verity with it being the case to which we both agree though as he hath stated it verbatim we should not yet for brevityes sake and avoiding wrangling with a Charitable allowance Shall be willing to joyn Issue with him that the Nakedness may be truly found they faith he pretend to A Divine call unto which they say they are to be Obedient in short thus if this fall to the ground saith he their nakedness will appear naked indeed Obs we grant it and therefore if it be found to the contrary R. A. must appear according to his conblusion of us c. His first Argument stated to prove no need of Inspiration c. is If the Scriptures be able to make the man of God perfect and throughly furnished to every good work and word then sayes he no need of extraordinary calls c. And that the Scriptures are truth and able to make a man perfect this can scarcely be denyed 2 Tim. 3.16 17. this is the substance of his Assertion Mostly false-yet some of it true in some sence so is not to be answered fully as it 's stated altogether c. Obs First I shall grant that the Scriptures are able to make the man of God wise unto salvation through faith in Christ Jesus as they were Timothy 2 Tim. 3.15 but I affirm that that man which is made wise unto salvation by the Scriptures must have the same faith that Timothy and all the Men of God had Col. 1.27 Gal. 1.16 John 16.13 Rom. 8.14 15 16. and such know that Christ is in them read 2 Cor. 13.5 And this knowledge I may boldly say R. A. has not because he affirms nothing greater then the Scriptures to be the guide of Man So denyes the Spirit of God to guide or lead him and none are his Sons of God but those who are led by his Spirit Again I grant according to the Scriptures that they being given by Inspiration are profitable for reproofe c. 2 Tim. 3.16 that the man of God mind may be throughly furnished They do not say that of themselves they are able to furnish him much less to make another man perfect to every good work as his words would Insinuate For one proof of this himselfe shall be the Example whose work by this discourse is proved imperfect So his Assertion that the Scriptures leaving out faith in Jesus Christ are able to make a man perfect is false c. Further Obs the Scriptures does not speak of furnishing any but the Man of God but only furnish him Then the quaery is how they are profitable to such a man for if a Man of God then hath been born of God so hath ceased to commit sin having overcome the Evil one John 3.9 by the Seed of God which remaineth in him he is in Christ Jesus therefore no condemnation to him because he walkes after the Spirit Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. for by walking after the Spirit is the righteousness of the Law fulfilled in him So comes to the end of the Scriptures reproving and correcting him Ro. 10.4 Ro. 6.14 Tit. 2.11 thus the man of God is come to the end of the Law for Righteousness sake So is not under the Law but under Grace Yea that grace which hath appeared to all men by which he hath so learned that it need not to be said unto him know the Lord John 2 27-29 nor need he any man to reach him but as that annointing teacheth him Obs the Law was added because of Transgression untill the Seed came to whom the promise was made Gal. 3 19-24 so was the Schoolmaster to bring to Christ Again Obs all guifts given to Men by Christ for the work of the Ministry is to bring to him Ephe. 4 11-14 where they all end in him Gal. 3.25 Heb. 5.6 Isa 9.5 6. to them which is come to the true Faith for such are come to him whom they know the Priest for ever whose lips preserve knowledge and to be their Leader with the Government upon his shoulder whom they know is com'd the Wonderful Counsellour according to the promise of the Father thus the man of God is Taught not of the Scriptures only but of God But now to shew how the Scriptures do furnish the man of God First they are generally received as true Secondly in that respect they are as a Law unto the lawless Further it is the man of God only that can speak them in due season by the guidance of Gods Spirit which brings them to his remembrance and opens them from which at first they were given forth thus the man of God furnished by them now to Reprove Corect or Instruct the Apostatized Christians that are setting up the Form of godlyness by Immitation of the Scriptures being both Ignorant of the life and power which the Ancient Christians had and lived in denying the Spirit to be the Absolute guide into all truth preferring the Scriptures before it like the Jews who preferred them before Christ thus is your state parralel to the Jews which would not believe though the Scriptures testified of him therefore in that State could see him to be no more but the Carpenters Son whilest others that believed in him saw him to be the Son of God that though now the Scriptures testifie Joh. 1 10. That that is the true Light which lighteneth every man coming into the World yet you not believing in it can see it but to be as a natural thing whilst others which believes in it Sees it to be the Light of the Son of God Thus what can be done
Some OBSERVATIONS Vpon a Sermon bearing the name of Mr. Astley's Preached in opposition to a Testimony and Sign unto them of their Spiritual nakedness Wherein he is found to Wrest and pervert the Scriptures to be Ignorant of the truth as it is in Jesus and consequently no Minister of Christ c. By a lover of the truth John Hogg 30. Isa 1 2. Woe to the Rebellious children saith the Lord who take councel but not of me and cover with a covering but not of my Spirit But the way of the just is as a shineing light which shineth more and more unto the perfect day Pro. 4.18 Printed in the Year 1675. FRiends and Readers of the following discourse esteem me not your Enemy For behold I have no other end then love to your Immortal souls The Advancement of Gods Truth the vindication of those walking in it and the Answering of a good Conscience towards the Lord. I plead not for all that make a Profession of it knowing that there may be a shew of Godliness without the Power Therefore be neither hasty nor high minded Pride goes before a Fall and Anger resteth in the bosome of Fools I observe that we are reflected upon to be as Seducers using Lying Signes and Wonders by some who think they stand clear thereof 2 Thes 2 but let such take heed least they fall For seeing it is said in the place quoted against us that the day of Christ could not come except there was first a falling away Therefore I advise such as a Friend to consider their present standing and see if it be not in a falne away state from what the Ancients stood in If so as I question not but they will confess upon examination 1 Cor. 6.19 3.16 17. if they lay Judgement to the Line and Righteousness to the Plummit then consider if the man of Sin which is to be revealed sit not in the Temple of God in you So be serious and see if it be not thus with you First because it is called the Mi●tery of Iniquitie Secondly because he sits not as a man of sin or as Sathan Obs but as God in the Temple of God shewing himselfe that he is God Again consider after what manner he is to be destroyed it is by the Spirit of the Lords mouth and by the Brightness of his Coming Therefore mind you miss not of his coming by expecting him according to your Immaginations like the Jews who would not accept of him because he came not according to their wills and Expectations We are also Reflected upon to be as the False Christs spoken of Mat. 24. in that respect I have a certain Testimony to bear for the Truth which I would have you seriously to consider a Time was in which I stood as it were in the mi●●lest beholding all Professions hearing and observing how every particular Perswasion called Saying come Worship with us Lo here is Christ in our Form he is to be found in this or that Observation And whilest I thus considered their Plurality of Voyces it Amazed me because they did all appear to stand in one Ground all Professing but one God and g●…nerally with a like Zeal notwithstanding their variety of Calls and Voyces So being uncertain with whom to joyn I took up this resolution to love all but joyn with no particular Least I should thereby disrespect the rest now as I was in this Bewildred State the Lord God of Heaven and Earth ●h●…el me by the Light of his Eternal Spirit shining in me plainly to whom I should joyn to walk with them in Spirit in the Light of the Lord And therefore I cannot but speak well of his Name and by shis Light I plainly saw God was a Spirit and was not to be found in any of their dead Forms nor to come to by any of their Observations without but to be Worshiped in Spirit Obs and in Truth Therefore mind the Voice of Truth and see how contrary it is to all the Voyces of Loe-heres and the Loe-theirs which sayes go not forth Ro. 1.10 Mal. 3.1 Heb. 2.20 what is to be known of God is manifest in you turn Inward and wait for the Appearance of the Lord in his Temple there must you obtain certainty for his Coming is as the Lightening which shineth from the E●st unto the West this Testimony is true whether you will believe it yea or nay Lastly I would not have you to think that because I have observed somany Errors and contradictions where●he is one of the Leadersy it appears which causeth the People to erre which your selves may easily perceive by ingeniously reading my following observations made upon his Sermon that I have prejudice to him or to any of you For verely God having shed abroad his love in my heart hath tought me to love my Enemies c. But rather make this Ingenious construction of it which may answer my end in respect of you that is if I cannot perswade you to receive the Truth through the love of it then I may by making Errour and Deceit manyfest as before expressed oblige you to a serious consideration of your present standing that so at least you may come to see if the Blind lead the Blind they must both fall into the Ditch thus I am clear of you Giving you this Caution to be sure not to call true speaking Railing or Revileing but if you doe So that thereby be raised up in you against me Cain Ishmael or Esau's Spirit I shall not regard knowing my peace in the Lord who is the Portion of the Righteous c. The 25th 9. Month. 1673. Thus I am Your Friend John Hogg Some Observations on Richard Astleys Sermon c. FIrst passing by much of his discourse in the beginning not because it cannot be found fault with but because it is frivillous and not pertinent to our purpose So where he begins to reflect upon Daniel Smith as a Lying Sign unto them I shall observe the strength of those Reasons given by him to prove it First He sayes there is but three pretences that he can Immagine any make for such a naked carriage in the sight of others I shall shew you sayes he the vanity of them all c. Obs. It is very easy for a man to State his own Immaginations and then shew the vanity of them His first Immagination after the Fall sayes he they apprehend that Man by Jesus Christ was Restored to the same condition from which he fell by sin meaning an outward State But he is mistaken for we intend no more his meaning then those words Import an outward covering Wo unto them that take Council and not of me and cover with a covering and not of my Spirit saith the Lord Isa 30. because a covering must it needs be Outward Is there no other but if all be outward spoken of in the Beginning Tell me what day Parradise was made on Seing it is said in