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A26915 Directions and perswasions to a sound conversion for prevention of that deceit and damnation of souls, and of those scandals, heresies, and desperate apostasies that are the consequents of a counterfeit, or superficial change / by Richard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1658 (1658) Wing B1243; ESTC R15278 227,645 552

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