Light when it is contracted or gathered together by the help of a burning Glass that it burneth or kindleth any ordinary combustible matter as any other fire doth But seeing such a debate is more proper for naturalists and belongeth to that called natural Phylosophy I shall not insist thereon only I inform the Reader who is not acquainted perhaps with such things that the opinion which holdeth light and heat to have no body is almost generally now rejected in the Schools as false and as a meer old fiction of some old Popish School men grounded upon some mistaken notions of Aristotle and upheld by the Jesuits to uphold their absur'd Doctrine of Transubstantiation when they teach That the colour and tast and smell of the bread wine being but meer accidents do remain without all Substance of the bread and wine after the consecration and as absur'd and ridiculous is their doctrine who say that light hath no body that is proper unto it but is a meer accident or quality in the Air For as well may the Jesuits say that the colour smell and tast of the Bread and Wine having no body or substance of the Bread and Wine are only accidents adhering in the Air. But why dost thou not answer to my other examples brought from Scripture as namely how the natural Life and Soul do principally reside in the head and heart and yet emanate into all the members of the body and how the Sap and Moisture residing principally in the root of the Tree goeth forth into all the branches even so the life and light of Christ as he is the Heavenly Adam residing principally in himself doth emanate and stream forth into all his members and in some respect into all things Is the Sap and Moisture a meer accident having no substance and is not the Soul of Man substantially in all the bodily Members although residing more principally in the heart head Pamphlet Animad 17. They believe this Heavenly man-hood to be a creature contrary to John Crooks Counterfeit convert p. 63. that true light which is called the Life of Christ John 1. 4 9. and lighteth every man that cometh into the World is not a creature Keith saith it is a creature Ans. To this I have answered sufficiently above upon Animad 8. that the Spirit or Life of Christ as he is the Heavenly man is not so properly or strictly a creature But men have not only the Spirit of Christ in them as he is Man but also as he is God and the Light Life and Spirit of Christ as he is God or the word simply considered in it self in no sense can be said to be Created But the word made Flesh may in that sense be said to be Created as it is said to be made for Made Created and Formed are commonly of one Signification And that the word was made Flesh from the beginning I have proved in my book because the Saints in all Ages did feed upon the Word made Flesh and the Word made Flesh dwelt in them Now in what sense I understand that the Heavenly man-hood and Soul of Christ is Created I explain in my book in these words p. 135. Therefore to the end that the word may be ingrafted into us and we again ingrafted into it the Word must be Incarnate or made Flesh as we are for all men are a sort of Flesh and so called in Scripture in comparison of God that is purely Spirit and though the Souls of Men are Spirits yet comparatively as unto God they are as it were Flesh and thus the Word is become Flesh that is to say hath advanced a Step or degree neerer unto us than it was in God before any thing was made and the Word was first of all made Flesh to be the root and soundation of all other Created beings and for which they are Created for it is a more noble Creation than all things else Here by my words quoted at large in my book it may be seen how and in what sense I understand the Heavenly man-hood of Christ to be Created namely as the word is made Flesh also Christ himself designed by Wisdome Pro. 8. 24. doth expresly say of himself when there were no Depths I was Formed and again v. 25. before the Hills I was Formed for so doth the Hebrew word Cholalti most properly signify and is used elsewhere in Scripture to signify the Creation of other things so that Made Formed Created do commonly signify one and the same Nevertheless I do acknowledge that Christ the Heavenly Man is not so properly or strictly to be called a Creature or Created Made or Formed but rather generated and he is the Son of God rather than a Creature of God even as a Man's Son is not called his Creature but his Son and yet he doth truly and properly partake with the Creatures otherwise he could not be a perfect Midle or Mediator betwixt God and Men who are Creatures But seeing this production or bringing forth of Christ from God the Father is so great a Mystery it is by no means to be curiously disputed about but simply to be acknowledged believed and admired and not to be expressed in words which mans wisdome teacheth but what the Holy Ghost Teacheth such as the Scripture words are which say The Word was made Flesh and Christ the Heavenly man is the only begotten of the Father full of Grace and Truth and the first-born of every Creature and concerning his wonderful Generation it is said Who can declare it and he is called the New Man who is Created after God c. and so to these Scripture Names I keep close where I am safe and where the malicious accusations of the adversaries of truth cannot reach unto me And by what is said the reader may easily understand that there is no real contradiction betwixt John Crook and me for whither J. C. mean by the true Light which is the Life of Christ the Light of the Word simply considered or the Word made Flesh I am at no contradiction with him for according to the first That Light can in no sense be called a Created Light and according to the second namely As the Word made Flesh or as the Spirit of Christ as man it is not properly Created nor in that strict and narrow sense is it to be so called as the other Creatures are Pamphlet Animad 17. That Scripture in Heb. 9. 11. Not of this Building is grosly corrupted by the Author c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 here is rightly translated building or structure It is not always taken for the Act of God in framing something out of nothing nor the effect of Gods so Acting but it is taken in another sense in some places as 1 Pet. 2. 13. Ans. That Scripture Heb. 9. 11. Is not at all corrupted but truely translated and the sense of it truely given nor doth thy weak and frivolous reasoning prove the contrary for
he is the Heavenly Adam as Spiritually present with his Church in all Ages although they do not believe his outward Coming and Birth in the Flesh which is a great Sin unto them But thine and their Sin is greater who although in words ye Confess unto his outward Birth in the Flesh yet Deny his real Spititual Presence in the Church either before or since his outward Coming and Birth in the Flesh. And surely thy Blasphemy is no less to call the True Christ of God as he was and is in all Ages even from the Beginning a Child of our own Begetting than the Blasphemy of those Jews was who when he came in the Flesh called him the Carpenter's Son Pamphlet Can Flesh and Blood and an Human Soul be said to Ray and Beam from God who is a Free and Simple Spirit Answ. Christ's Soul is Heavenly Divine and Spiritual and so is that Flesh and Blood of his whereof I speak which he had from the Beginning And it may properly and safely enough be called an Emanation from God the Father according unto Christ's own Words who said He did proceed and come forth from the Father and whose Goings forth have been from of Old or from the Age. But then Emanation in this Sense doth not signifie That the Thing which doth so Emanate is belonging to the very Essence of that from which it doth so Emanate For these who call it an Emanation do acknowledg that it is a Distinct Being or Production of a Thing distinct from the Godhead although next unto it and most nearly united with the same as so indeed the Heavenly Manhood of Christ is Pamphlet Therefore you shall hear he hath denyed it again in the next Quotation Answ. This is another gross Abuse and Perversion For I have not denyed that Christ his Heavenly Manhood may be said to Emanate from the Godhead as one Being or Essence may be said to Emanate from another Being or Essence distinct therefrom Only I say That the Godhead it self hath no such distinct Parts within its own Essence or Being as Center or Rayes but rather is all Center according to that noted Saying of H. Trismegistus Whereas the Soul of Christ hath its Center and Rayes distinct by way of Emanation and yet that which Emanates is of the real Being and Essence of the Soul as truly as the Center Pamphlet Animad 18. This then may as fitly be spoke of them as of the Man Christ Jesus that in G. K. and J. C. dwells all the Fulness of the Godhead bodily Col. 2. 9. How doth the Christian savour this Is it not Rampant Blasphemy See Piscator and he Translates the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in Col. 2. 9. Essentialiter Essentially And Calvin likewise upon the Scripture saith That God hath in Christ Essentially appeared unto us Answ. I altogether deny the Consequence That because the Essence of God is in us that therefore the Fulness of the Godhead can be said to dwell in us bodily for that is only proper unto Christ who is the Mediator betwixt God and Us in whom that Fulness dwelleth immediately and to which it is immediately united And forasmuch as we cannot contain the Fulness of Christ but only a Measure of him therefore the Fulness of the Godhead cannot be said to dwell in us and yet we must partake of that Fulness which dwelleth in Christ because we partake of Christ in whom the Fulness is And this is no Blasphemy but words of Truth and Soberness and cannot but savour well and comfortably unto every true Christian namely that God dwelleth in us in Christ according to Christ his own Words unto the Father Joh. 17. 23. Thou in Me and I in Them and according unto John He that confesseth the Son hath the Father also 1 Joh. 2. 23. And as for Piscator his Translation of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Essentially it doth nothing hinder but rather helpeth to consirm the Truth of what I affirm For if the Fulness of the Godhead dwell in Christ Essentially or in its true Essence then it is clear that if any Measure of Christ dwell in us that a Measure of that Fulness of God himself dwelleth in us for no Measure or Part of Christ is empty of God Which Fulness of the Godhead as also the Measures of it are not to be understood Simply as in God himself who properly hath no Parts nor Measures but in respect of his Appearance and Manifestation towards us which Appearance or Manifestation of God hath its Fulness in Christ and its Measures in us according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ received by us For concerning Christ it is said That God gave not the Spirit by Measure unto him But to every one of us the Grace or Gift namely of the Holy Spirit is given according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ. And thus we see that the Scripture holdeth forth Measures of the Spirit given unto us through what we receive of the Measure of Christ But Christ hath that Spirit in Fulness or without Measure And the Spirit of God both in Christ and in Us s of the same Essence with God Again As to the Words of Calvin cited by thee they do also confirm the same Truth and over-turn thy gross Assertion For if God hath appeared unto us Essentially in Christ and that we are Partakers of Christ himself by a real Participation of him as Calvin doth else-where acknowledge then together with Christ we are also Partakers of God for God revealeth himself in Christ Essentially and Christ revealeth himself in us Pamphlet Whosoever then hath God Essentially in him hath the whole Deity in him for the Essence is the whole Deity Answ. The Essence of the Deity as I have said hath not Measures properly in it self but yet the Scripture alloweth us to speak of the Measures of the Spirit of God which is one Essence or Being with God Which Measures in Us and Fulness in Christ are to be understood in respect of Manifestation And according to this Distinction of fulness and measures that is warranted by the Scriptures I deny thy Assertion that who ever hath any measure of the Essence of God hath the Whole or Fulness and the plain tendency of all thy work against us is not only to rob the Saints of Christ the Heavenly Man but also of the Holy Ghost and consequentially of God and then finally of all Goodness Vertue and Grace And indeed this is the real and naked tendency of the Doctrine of all those who contend so earnestly against the real and proper in-being or in-dwelling of Christ in the Saints as he is the Heavenly Man and second Adam to bring us at last if they could to deny that we have either God in us or the Holy Ghost for if the Essence of God dwell only in Christ and that Christ dwell not in us then indeed it should follow that we have nothing of
being the nearer that it is in nature unto God doth the more resemble him and that God himself is a most simple unmixed being without all composition of parts or principles and is one in the highest and most perfect sense which yet his being three only in manner or property of being doth nothing hinder and that Christ the Heavenly man of all things is nearest unto God and his most perfect Image therefore it is manifest that he hath least of that which may or can be called a composition or mixture of principles But whatever perfection virtue power or operation the creatures have in their various compositions he hath them all virtually and eminently in himself after a more perfect and simple manner But seeing he took hold on the Seed of Abraham and did partake of Flesh and Blood like unto ours to the end that he might be yet more like unto us that he might make us like unto him yet more abundantly whether it behoved not that he was to partake with us of all the principles both inward and outward that belong to the essential constitution of any man is a thing worthy of consideration as also admitting that he did partake of all these Principles whether he did assume or partake of them at one and the same Moment of time And what I have here written is enough I hope to them who have a Spiritual understanding to discern and perceive my Judgement in the present case as whether the Nephesh and Neshamah in Christ be distinct Principles yea or Nay or whether more then these two but as for others who are Carnal and cannot reach unto these things if never so plainly told them I am not concerned to give them a further answer and I had rather that I might be instrumental in the hand of the Lord to bring the Soul of any man or woman to the Feeling and Tasting of the precious Life of Christ in their hearts than to fill their understandings with the soundest Conceptions of words about Christ and I can and do say it in the presence of the Lord the life and power of Christ Jesus as I feel it in the least measure to move and operate in my Soul to conform and Leaven me into the Image of Christ in righteousness and holiness is more to me then all the soundest Conceptions of words about Christ But yet because in the Light of the Lord I see clearly how false and absurd yea how Blasphemous and Atheistical Notions and conceptions of Christ and also of God many men have I have been earnestly and fervently moved and am at this present time in the Zeal and Love of God and in true compassion and good will towards Man-kind to declare what God hath made manifest unto me of this and other things and to open the Scriptures of Truth concerning them as God by his Holy Spirit hath opened them plainly to my understanding Wherefore let every one that is Spiritual and hath a Spiritual discerning read me and feel my Testimony and that from which it comes for it is not of man but of the Lord although at times to gain the reader as Paul did in his day I find freedome to make use of Testimonies of other men and what ever True Testimony to the Truth I find in any man be he Jew or Gentile Scythian or Barbarian so called it is precious and comfortable unto me And to declare it unto others as the Lord giveth me true freedome may and shall have its Service for Truth is one in all and its Testimony is one And something of Truth by Vertue of that Divine illumination of Jesus Christ the Light of the World that doth inlighten every man that cometh into the World is made manifest for a Testimony among all Nations and sorts of people and in every Nation he that feareth God and worketh righteousness is accepted of him And what if some hold the Truth in Unrighteousnesse What if wicked men at times confesse unto Christ as the Devils formerly did We must not therefore deny him but rather make use of their own Testimony against them unto their further condemnation Pamphlet Animad 20. I query here whether besides this Nishma Adam had a Rational Soul which was the Root of his animal Senses and discursive parts and whether this that was breathed into Adam was the Center of the Soul of Christ or some ray only it should be the Center in that Nishma is the excellency the Author saith of this Soul Answ. The darkness and perversness of Spirit that is in this Author of the Pamphlet causeth him to ask many unnecessary questions which a Child of an ordinary clear understanding might resolve according to the Principles laid down in my book and although I have condescended in freedom to answer many of his questions especially such as have any weight in them for further clearing the Truth yet diverse others I purposely forbear to answer seeing they neither tend to edification nor serve to clear the Truth But to these at present mentioned by me as above I answer briefly Adam beside that Divine Nishma or Soul of Christ had also a Rational Soul as we also have and all men but the Center of the Divine Nishma or Soul of Christ was not breathed into Adam nor into any man besides Christ himself nor doth it follow that it should be the Center which was breathed into him because the Nishma is the excellency of his Soul above ours I say this reason doth not hold for not only the Center but also that emanation or ray of the Divine Soul of Christ that is in us is exceedingly more excellent than our Souls Moreover whereas he argueth that if Adam had a proper Nephefh that then he was a more compleat man then Jesus Christ of Nazareth I deny the confequence for Christ hath all the Essential perfection of mans whole Soul and Body elther Virtually or formally even as man hath Virtually or formally all the Essentials resembling the Sensitive Soul of a Beast that belong to perfect it as an animal or living Creature but yet he hath some what more all which proveth not that a beast is a more compleat animal or living Creature than a man Pamphlet It s True he saith the Soul or Spirit of Christ hath an immediate and wonderfull manner of Union with the Deity as no other Soul or Spirit of men were partakers of But what Union the body of Christ that was taken of the Virgin had with the Logos which any of the Quakers have not I cannot yet learn Answ. That is also plainly enough insinuated in my book where I expresly say that Christ was a most wonderfull Vessel both as concerning his Soul and Body and that in that very body born of the Virgin the Center of his Soul did reside which could not be without an Union of such a Nature as no other body could have seeing no other man ever had the center in him but he
more and more shew forth it self in him and that to increase is not always taken strictly is clear from the words of John He namely Christ shall increase but I shall decrease Now John was not to decrease as to any Perfection Grace or Vertue wherewithall God had endued him But again I do readily grant that Christ as in respect of the Nephesh of his soul might grow in Wisdome as other men as also he did grow in stature and Lastly even the Nismah although Omnipercipient of things present and Omniscient of things both past and present may and did grow in Knowledge for the Soul of Christ hath this Omnisciency of things past and present by the Perception of the objects or things as they dayly appear and therefore his Soul may grow in experimental Wisdome and Knowledge as properly as the soul of any other man although both his Wisdome and growth therein is incomparably beyond that of all other Men or Angels But whereas thou sayst Christs soul was subject to some kind of ignorance this is too grosly and rudly yea irreverently spoken He was nescient of some things that was to come as namely of the day and hour of the last Judgement as he declared himself but to say he was ignorant of any thing is gross and improper for ignorance signifieth always some defect of that Knowledge which one should have as blindness deafness c. Signifie a defect of the Natural senses of seeing hearing c. Pamplet Animad 12. Christ according to Keigh when he appeared in Flesh was more like to the Angels that appeared in Humane shape in the time of the Old Testament than like to men Answ. This I altogether deny for Angels have not real bodies of Flesh and Blood such as men have Angels are not born of women as men are Angels are not crucified and buried as men are and as Christ was and although Christ was called an Angel yet he had and still hath a nature more excellent than all the Angels and when he came in the likeness of our Flesh he took not hold on Angels but he took hold on the seed of Abraham Pamplet Animad 12. What spirit was that which Christ committed to his Father when he gave up the Ghost on the Cross Answ. Why not the same excellent spirit or soul that is above the Nature of all souls of men and that is Omnipresent for still the Father is greater than he and he hath his dependence on the Father in whose hand or power he is Pamplet Animad 12. And if they are for the pre-existence of the Soul of Christ's Man-hood why not for the pre-existence of the souls of all other men Answ. I have no time nor mind to answer all thy queries many of which are altogether unnecessary others vain and frivolous but if thou thinkest that the pre-existence of the Soul of Christ doth necessarily infer the pre-existence of the souls of all other men thou shouldest have proved it by a clear Deduction so to be which because thou hast not done I am not concerned to answer thy query in this particular and I advise thee with Augustine to be more earnest to know what shall be the state of thy soul after thou goest out of this world than what it was before thou camest into it And if thou repent not from thy heart for thy so long opposing the Truth and maliciously perverting the words of Truth the state of thy soul will be miserable after thy departure Pamplet Animad 13. I ask why is not this Man Christ in all the fallen Angels as well as fallen men Answ. He is in all the Creatures for hefilleth all things giving being unto every Creature and upholding the same therein and Consequently he is in the fallen Angels as also to Judge and condemn them for their sin but yet Christ Jesus hath a nearer Relation unto fallen men than unto the fallen Angels by reason of the seed of Abraham which he assumed and therefore the Apostle Paul Preached Christ in fallen men not only after that general manner of presence but in way of Grace and Mercy in order to restore and renew fallen man by Repentance according to his Commission which he received from Christ which was to turn fallen men from darkness to light but we read not that Paul had any such Commission to preach unto the fallen Angels and as for the fallen Angels they are reserved in Chains of darkness unto the Judgement of the great day and expect not any other thing from Christ but Torment as they said unto him when he came in the flesh and did cast them out of men What have we to do with thee Jesus of Nazareth Art thou come to Torment us before the time So here the Devils believe and tremble for they fear the Judgement of Christ to whom all power is given But how could they fear it if he were not present and how could he cast them out of those they possessed if his power which is one with himself did not reach unto them Pamplet Animad 13. As for the Greek proposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it must necessarily be Translated among in some places else see what sense you will make Answ. That it must be necessarily translated among in some places I do not deny but in many more places it must necessarily by translated not among but in and in every place it ought to be translated in where the sense doth permit it without any contradiction to truth or other inconveniency because it doth most properly and usually signify in and not among but improperly and less usually whereof many hundreds of examples may be given Now there is no contradiction unto truth nor any inconveniency to understand by the Greek particle ' Ev it 's proper and common Signification which is in in all these places mentioned in my Book And indeed these very places constrain us to translate the Particle in and not barely among For how was Christ Crucified among the Galatians but in them Gal. 3. 1. And how was the Riches of the Glory of the Mistery which is Christ among the Gentiles but in them and how could Paul Preach the Unsearchable Riches of Christ among the Gentiles if nothing of these Riches of Christ was in them but all without them And how could so many have been said to have pierced Christ if he was not in them For as touching the outward piercing of the outward Body of Christ we only read that some few did that and therefore their piercing of Christ must be meant of his tender Life and Spirit which both Jews and Gentiles have pierced in their own Hearts by their Sins according to Rev. 1. 7. Pamphlet Animad 14. They believe this man-hood of Christ perceives and knows all things past and present of it self and by it self considered without any Relation to or union with the Deity and that it needs not God as to the knowledge of any present or