judgest the Deportment and Carriage of all the Godly in the Nation to be Light Vain Confident and Lofty because they are not found in those mimied punctilio's of denying the Hat in Salutation and giving the Hand which the Quakers use if this Turkish mode which you have taken up of late in not stirring the Turbant be the thing and that affected demureness I am then Guilty my Light being not for it Be not angry John if Christ having made me free and restoring Comfort to my Spirit more of late theâ— formerly the Spirit of Adoption enlarging my Soul I express it in my Carriage in a more chearful Gravity walking as one that doth Believe in Christ whom be hath delivered from Mount Sinai to Mount Zion We are not Children of Hagar the Bondwoman but of Sarah not Ishmaels but Isaac's whose name is laughter I am to manifest my rejoycing in Christ and that I have received not the Spirit of Fear and Bondage but of power Love and a sound mind And this is for the honour of my Lord and his Doctrine Thou dost but bewray in this the same Spirit of the Pharisees who were angry with Christ that be kept Company with Publicans and Sinners and because he came eating and drinking they called him a â—lutton and Wine-Bibber I place not my Christian Religion John in denying the Civil salute of the Hat or any Courteous behaviour towards my Neighbour whereby I exprâ—ss my Love and Friendship as you do making if essential to your way and a signal Character of your Proselytes as appears by thy Brother Baylies Answer But I have well nigh done rejoycing that the little Book we writ hath extâ—rted from thee some good words of Confession which how thou understandest them shall be scanned afterwards and how thou agrees with thy Brethren thou shalt see whâ—n things are compared It 's well if the Body at Devonshire-House and your Metropolitan George Fox approve of this Confession Though thou art infallible John yet thy infallibility must vail and strike Sail to the infallibilty of the Body If thou Believest as thou speakest in some things why didst thou rent from Christians if thou wouldest return John it would be better with thee than it is now If thou understandest some Truths as thou writest them and all of you assent never were people Guilty of such uncharitableness as you in your Railings against all other sorts of separation and division in keeping your Meetings distinct not in the least owning our Worship as appears by your irreverent Behaviours when you come into our Meetings But I am greatly jealous of thee and not without ground having conversed with you so long and knowing how frequently you are found in Jesuitical equivocations and mental reservations that thou hast but covered Poison in guilded words and wrapt thy self in a Cloud False Prophets must come in Sheeps Cloathing else no deceiving It was a Golden Cup that Antichrists Poison was in I pray God I may find it otherwise Thy Brother Penn is plain and honest down-right in his assertions against Christ and the Scriptures and satisfaction by the Death of Christ c. In the close let me say that I am thoroughly satisfyed that I am defending the noblest Cause under Heaven and call God Men and Angels to Witness That if I were convinced you were in the Truth I would not for a Million of Worlds in the least oppose you Lately at Hartford Bigg and Martin confessed that our Principles were directly contrary Let it then be tried who is in the Truth by the Holy Scriptures and the Lord be Judg betwixt you and us in this Matter I can heartily say appealing to him that searcheth the hearts and tryeth the Reins that as you are my Country-Men you are dear to me and I could wish my self deprived for some time of the Love of the Saints which is highly valued by me and no pains or travel of Body or Soul Night or Day should seem great to me to reduce any of you from that dreadful â—postacy which you are fallen into through the cunning Craftiness of some Deceivers There is a Woe upon you I am satisfied because that Offences have been given by some Carnal Gospellers and Libertines in our day that have turned God's blessed Grace into wantonness and have not walked worthy of this Glorious Doctrine I have heard some of your way that lately have acknowledged this viz no reason in Doctrine but in Practice for your departure Now blessed are those that are not offended in Christ A 〈◊〉 to them that stumble 〈◊〉 this stumbling stone I my self through weakness have been â—ear to this but his Grace hath kept me and the Truth is dear to me still and Jesus Christ though many that professeth the Faith adorn it not in their Conversation And now you are multiplied me see you are a people of the like infirmities and passions therefore may you that are tender 〈◊〉 in again to the Truth by the same Reasonings But oh how strong is interest and faction when once ingaged Well my Prayer to the Lord hath been and yet is that those among you that have not sinned unto death by a wilful opposing in hatred and emnity the Glorious person of the Mediator may be brought back that whoever of you belongs to the Election of Grace may be undeceived as this young Man was My labour in this kind in other places hath not been in vain and I will not cease but hold on Believing firmly that I do service to Jesus Christ therein And I am the holdâ—r 〈◊〉 this work in that I can say the Lord knows I have been an hundred times hurried into your way and Opinions like a Child tossed to and fro with every Wind of Doctrine but I am brought now into a consistency and fixedness through electing Love influencing of me and have my senses exercised 〈◊〉 discerne of things and Persons and in Christ's strength fear not the Gates of Hell Oh that this contention and Tryal of Truth might by the effectual working of the Holy Ghost upon thy mind beget some thoughts of returning to thy first Husband the God-Man Christ Thou art the Dearer to us John in that thou hast been a Stone once in Christ's Buildings and Oh that the calls of God's people to thee from thy Apostacy might be blessed to thee that thou mayst Blaspheme no more All knowledge that Men are apt to be puffed up withal and soaring into is but Air Wind and Fancy but the knowledge of Christ Take heed of that Spirit in the false Apostles that disdained Pauls Doctrine as low and Carnal so hath Henry Nicholas Swenkfeldius and Beheman and surely you do and your People speak it Believing that you come forth with a new Prophecy as some of old pretended they were sent to Preach the everlasting Gospel in opposition to the old Gospel In the Revelation some are spoke of that talked of the depths which John adds Satan to This
truth then is this That our persons are the Subjects of that Righteousness which sanctifies Christ's Person is the Subject of that Righteousness which Justifies J. C. Pag. 14. Another Reason thou givest to prove the Gifts and Vertues aforementioned to be our own Righteousness because we put forth the Actions both internal and External Is it not we that Believe and we that Repent and we that are said to pray By this Argument it 's best neither to believe nor repent nor pray because these are but our own Righteousness and the more we do them the heavier are we loaden with the filthy Bags of our own Righteousness Answ The Reason is good and stands and thy inference is ungodly and wicked This I say distinguishing our own Righteousness from Christ's Righteousness it is not Christ that Believes or Repents or Prays neither was it any of us that suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem nor that was born of the Virgin nor perfectly fulfilled the Law and the inference from hence that is Genuine is this viz. therefore ought we not to trust to our Repentings Believings Prayings Sufferings for these are imperfect but to Christ and we are not laden the more with these Rags as thou speakest but the defects are pardoned for Christ's sake and we are and so our Duties accepted in Christ Spiritual Sacrifices acceptable to God no other way but through Jesus Christ 1 Pet. 2.5 that phrase in Isai 64 4. which thou in scorn so often repeats are the Prophets words and thou mocks at the Holy Scriptures he doth speak it of his own Righteousness our Righteousness not only the peoples but his and the duties which he and the people were found in were those that God had commanded in the Ceremonial Law yet of these all he saith this and it 's true Comparatively to that pure spotless Righteousness of the Son of God and if God through Christ should not cleanse us and wash us and put his own Robes upon us we should all be cast out But let me ask thee darest thou say that this moral Principle of doing to others as we would have them to do to us is the Righteousness that Justifies before the Glorious Tribunal of an infinite pure God whose eyes are as a flame of Fire that thou darest stand and fall to the strict judgment of God as thou hast all thy days for cursed is he that continues not in all things to do them been true or false to this Principle I trow not wo to thee then for thou hast in several things in this thy writing dealt with me as thou wouldest not have me to deal with thee why but then if it be not that which Justifieth it is better never be found at all in doing to any as we would have others should do to us for this is but our Moral Righteousness in the second Table commanded between Man and Man how dost thou like this retortion Withal by this is implied the mercenary Spirit of the Quakers who would neither Pray nor be Holy if they did not think to merit something by their Works J. C. Parag. ibid. These things manifest thy estrangedness to the Works of Regeneration and helpings of the Spirit of God Answ I have through Grace experienced that work upon my Soul and have pleaded it with thee as thou knowest in opposition to their tenent of the Light in every one which overthrowes it as if every one had the Seed of it in his heart but yet I have learned to distinguish between this forgiveness of sins wherein my Justification lies as in Rom. 4. Regeneration this is but a Fruit of Forgiveness had not God forgiven my sins he would never have healed my Nature no Regeneration without Faith Acts 26.18 Sanctified by Faith So that your Doctrine destroys Sanctification if no Justification by imputed Righteousness no Regeneration I own the helpings of the Spirit of God and more I can say for that word helpings is too narrow as if there were some power in Man the Spirits causing creating Faith in me on this Righteousness of Christ which my heart hath been so far in helping in that it hath opposed But yet I will distinguish and say it was Christ and not the Spirit died for me Those helpings of the Spirit in me do not Justifie me yet I praise God for them as an evidence and fruit of Justification J. C. Parag. ibid. A heavy charge upon all the Prophets and Apostles of Christ who were obedient to these inward Gifts Vertues and Motions of God's Holy Spirit Answ If thou canst produce one instance of either Prophet or Apostle that ever sought to be Justified in the sight of God for any obedience to any inward Gifts and did not apply themselves to God through Christ for Pardon of sin I will leave this Doctrine Remember Rom. 3.24 But now the Righteousness of God without the Law is manifested being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets But John thou hast forgot what thou said'st pag. 10. viz. Not for the works sake though wrought in me by the Spirit and here pleads for Obedience to the inward Gifts which must be Works and saith all Prophets and Apostles were Obedient to them and this in opposition to imputed Righteousness But I knew thou wast not in earnest in what thou seemed'st to speak them but to conclude I believe that the good Men of old were obedient to the inward Gifts of the Spirit and we all ought to he and are through Grace in some measure but then by all that the Spirit doth in us it doth lead us to Christ and his Righteousness according to that in John 15. The Comforter shall testify of me Chap. 16. He shall take of mine and shew it unto you and hereby know we the Spirit of Truth the Comforter from the Spirit of error The Comforter will Glorifie Christ's person J. C. Parag. ibid. By thy Account they did but obey their own Righousness in what they did they knew and understood that their hearts are as the Pen of a ready Writer as David speaks Answ This thou bringest is very impertinent to the thing in hand That of David Ps 45.1 My Tongue is the Pen of a ready Writer Thou changest Tongue here for Hearts Now doth not David a Prophet about to write great things of Christ in this Psalm make use of this Phrase to denote the Power of the Holy Ghost with him in giving forth this Holy Scripture that as Mans hand acts the Pen as its Organ so the Spirit the Tongue of David and thus the Holy Men of God that writ the Scripture are said in 2 Pet. 1. ult to be moved acted forcibly carried away by the Holy Spirit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the speaking forth the Truths of the Scriptures and how sad is it that some of you should pretend to this same impulse to as high a degree in their Writings as I have seen some Title-pages of your Books filled
things put together here with which thou art angry 1. That there is a Light that eâ—ry Man hath not 2. That there is a Righteousness imputed 3. That Salvation is from a Person wholly without which are all Truths and I am ready to defend them The First thou begins with and asks Whether the Apostles of Christ did Preach a Light or of a Light that every Man hath not 1. Now I assert and will make it good that the Scriptures do frequently speak of a Light that every man hath not Jude 19. Natural or Souly not having the Spirit Now the Spirit is Light and he that is but a Natural Man hath it not Then this Scripture speakâ— of a Light that every Man hath not John 14.17 The Spirit of Truth whom the World cannot receive If the World i. e. Worldly Carnal Men cannot receive it be sure they have it not Luk. 8.10 To you it is given to know the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God but to others in Parables that seeing they might not see c. Now here is a Light that the Disciples had which the others had not Matth. 11. Thou hast hid those things from the Wise and the Prudent and hast revealed them to Babes Then the Wise and Prudent to whom the Father reveals not Heavenly things want this Light that other Babes have Isa 60.21 Darkness shall cover the Earth and gross Darkness the people but the Lord shall arise upon thee and his Glory shall be seen upon thee A Prophecy of the Church that should be in Gospel-times All excepting these he saith will be in Darkness as Goshen had Light when all the rest of Egypt were in Darkness Here is a Light that the Church hath that none other hath This Light that they were to have in a distinguishing way was the Spirit in their Hearts and Gods word in their Mouths According to God's New Covenant Isa 59. and the last verse As for me this is my Covanant with them saith the Lord My Spirit that is upon thee and my words which I have put in thy Mouth c. When thou writest be sure thou omit not answering these Scriptures plainly or else Recant for saying that it is a strange erroneous Doctrine quite contrary to the General Testimony of all the Holy Men of God in all ages B. saith What is that other Light beside the true Light That it may be known distinctly according to plain Scripture And in the next Paragâ— If you are not able to give us an account of this Light which every Man hath not a measure of we shall justly Judg it to be a meer dark and vain Imagination of your own Brains and asks in p. 41. Whether every one hath two Lights in him And whether they differ in degree only or in kind nature Reply This is something worth while to Answer to I am glad following thee step by step in every line that I have brought thee hither It had been fair if thou hadst promised that if in any plainness I lay down this thing thou desirest and Answer thy Objections that thou wouldest have left the dark vain Imagination of thy Brain and own this to be a Truth and ceased thy Quakerism 1. I Grant that there is a Light in every Man a spark remaining in â—llen Man of that Light that Adam had in a full Flame before his Transgression in his time of Innocency If ye ask me what it is I Answer some Principles of Common Truth fixed in the Mind of Man 2. What can it effect How far can it go 1. By this Man may know some Divine things viz. That there is a God and that he is to be Worshipped Therefore every Nation have had some kind of Worship 2. Hereby Man may discern betwixt some Moral Good and Evil. As the Heathens saw hereby Murther and Adultery to be Evils and therefore made Laws to punish those that were guilty of them 3. Man may hereby and by the help of Conscience and the Common Restraining Power of God be kept from many Evils and do many Duties that lie before him for the profit of his Neighbour for the good of the Society or Common-Wealth wherein he dwells for this one thing he seeth by it viz. the Judgment of God i. e. Justice to punish sin and this makes him fear 4. From this Light is that power in Man which he feels of condemning and excusing He may know many things to be good and his duty to do them now when he doth according to this knowledg of his reflecting upon it he hath Peace his Conscience will be quiet if not there will be trouble through the many reasonings that will be in Man and fear of Judgment 5. This Light is greatly helped and increased by the consideration of the Works of Creation Rom. 2.19 20. 6. More by the reading of the Scriptures hearing the Word preached converse with Christians And let it be noted that the Quakers had the Improvement of the Light this way though they will not acknowledg it In India we hear but of little Improvement of it 7. Many that live not up to this Light will be very inexcusably Condemned 8. And those that walk according to it doing some things contained in the Law do shame Judg and Condemn those that pretend to Christianity and yet live not in Righteousness and Sobriety And shall not Vncircumcision which is by Nature if it fulfil the Law Judg thee who by the Letter and Circumcision dost transgress the Law Rom. 2. 27. Quest 3. What can it not shew to Man 1. It cannot shew to Man how sin came into the world None of the Heathens ever spoke of this it is known only by the Revelation of the History of it in the Scriptures 2. It doth not shew to Man neither can it that the first motions to evil in the heart though not consented to are sin None of the Philosophers saw this Paul saith Rom. 7.7 I had not known Lust i. e. Concupiscence Desire to be sin he means except the Law That is Moses Moral Law had said thou shalt not Covet or desire He knew it not by all the Light of Nature within 3. It doth not shew Unbelief to be a sin a slighting and contemning and rejecting Jesus of Nazareth as the sealed Mediator John 14.8 He i. e. the Comforter shall convince the World of sin because they believe not Now this is plain in the Quakers who following the Light do so much contemn the Person of Jesus and his Righteousness 4. It shews not to Man some Moral Evils The Heathens saw not Fornication to be a Sin by all the Light they had Poligamy was not accounted a sin by them Nor Revenge a Sin Nor Vain Glory c. 5. It doth not shew the right way of Worship that is by Scripture-Revelation only Therefore the Heathens always ran into Idolatries and false Worships 6. It will not shew to Man the necessity of the New-Birth Every Man
distinguish of things not to confound them as thou dost which shall be more plainly shewn thee in the Answer which follows I Believe and speak that Light which every Child of wrath hath as he cometh into this world is not the Spirit as he is spoke of in the New Testament the Spirit of Regeneration Adoption the Spirit of the Son nay whatever thou wilt call it it is but Flesh whatsoever is born of the Flesh i.e. what ever Man is in his first-Birth he is but Flesh John 3. and in the 1 Pet. 1. All Flesh is Grass all called Flesh till the New-Birth of the incorruptible Seed which every Man hath not yet I have given and will give this Light its due and say it is from Christ he is the Author of it that gave Man his Rational Soul and created all Lights and had not the Lord preserved this Light Mankind had not been the Species would have been extinct and we like bruits and hereby is Man made fit for humane Society and Common-Wealths and through the restraining-Grace of God joined with this for I attribute it to that indeed chiefly as in the case of Abimelech Gen. 20. I kept thee c. else the Light within would not have done it Man is preserved from many gross outward evils One can distinguish between many things that are good and evil by this Light but to say as thou and others do that it is the Spirit Christ Regenerating Grace God as thou dost in thy words in this Epistle as I understand it let others judg of it calleth it the Son of God King of Zion applying that of the second Psalm to this Light therefore it is the Rule the Life the Blood the Principle such horrid Blasphemies as these dethroning Christ's person turning the God-Man into the Reason Conscience or Soul of Man making them all one and God the Spirit the same with this which is in every Murtherer Robber was in them Job 21. goes with the damned to Hell remains with them there Hear ye Heavens and give ear O Earth and be horribly ashamed of such Tenents as these my Soul through the Grace of God utterly abhors and detests them and I am and will be a professed Enemy to them as long as I have being in this world and doubts not in the least but Christ will stand by me in this his cause Oh how doth this puff up poor proud fallen Man that there is something left in him yet that will restore him when all the Light he had before could not preserve him from falling This thou hast heard at least was the old rotten gangrene of the Pelagians pleading for Nature O cease John cease perverting the right ways of God pleading for Nature in opposition to the Grace of God As for the Bands which thou mentionest of Christ the Son spoken of in the second Psalm and for his cords they are welcome to me I embrace them and it is my Liberty to be his Captive and Prisoner It 's freedom from my lusts I have found it so and do But no false Prophets as thou and others while you maintain these Doctrines shall ever bring me into bondage again to the cursing Law and the works of it looking for Life that way Yet do I wholly stoop to this King of Zion Jesus Christ as my Lord as he that hath subdued all my Enemies virtually already and will actually in time which I wait for and hath given out Rules how he will be served and worshipped which according to my Light I desire to be found in desiring this glorious King by the power of his Spirit to subdue all evil in my Soul But let me entreat thee John to use plain words when thou speakest of the works of God in the heart of Man by the Spirit at least say no more than what is said of it in the Holy Scriptures and do not use to strain Scripture and wrest it from its proper literal meaning when there is no need so to do but the doing of it takes off from the Glory of it and the Authority of the Truth contained in it Here thou turnest that great Scripture in Zachary into an Allegory which is a Prophecy of the Messias coming for the comfort of his people and was fulfilled in the Letter which was very glorious and bespake him to be the true Messias the ground of all Comfort to his people and he came in this low and mean way to shew his contempt of the World who could have commanded all the Glory of the Creation to attend him in this Triumph and State and yet this he did to shew forth something of his Authority and Majesty being really a King Now John why wilt thou go this way to work to use these uncouth Allegories is it not for want of plain and substantial knowledge in the Scriptures Dost thou not know what mischief this way of speaking hath done The evil one hath made use of this way in the World in false Teachers to take off from the Authority of the Scriptures I pray God this be not your intent in going this way if many senses of the Scripture then no one sence is certain for I have heard thee my self say this viz. He brought his Son out of Egypt i.e. out of the Egyptian darkness of our hearts Why doth not this take off from the History as if that were nothing as if such a thing had never been the Man Christ brought from that Country so called really and truely but as if this was the great intendment of the Holy-Ghost in it as to the work of God upon Mans heart now this was gross thick darkness such as might be felt why then surely there is no Light before Christ be brought forth and yet you call the Light Christ John it savours not right to say God brought his Son out of Egyptian darkness That work of the Spirit in our hearts is not God's Son and to say God's Son is brought out of darkness Egyptian darkness who was with God from Eternity and was God and was Light the Light of the world as Mediator and so the Author of all saving Light it is absurd But this is not so bad as that which thou spakest in Sarah Whites Chamber in London in my hearing and the hearing of others of my friends viz. the only begotten Son begotten in us Now John whereas thou chargest me with Blasphemy which shall be examined who now is guilty thou blushest surely to think on it you often speak of my tenderness how hard are your hearts that you can hear and speak such things as these and no shame upon you whereas at that time I was so tender that I could not but interrupt you by my Friend Oh! John how hath thy Pride and Itch to be a Teacher of Allegorical Mysteries Transported thee to be accounted a profound Doctor Some things thou spakest there that were true but Oh what a deadly poyson didst thoâ— throw presently
sum and substance of the Gospel as coming of the Seed of David according to the Flesh was declared to be the Son of God with Power by the Resurrection from the dead So it is the Power of God his power exerted in Christ's Resurrection whereby we have Justification He rose again for our justification Again the power of God was greatly exerted in working Miracles while they preached the Gospel Heb. 2.4 God bearing them witness with Signs and Wonders with divers Miracles and gifts of the Holy Ghost While you pretend to a New Gospel you should have brought the Power of God to Seal it in Miracles When he calls it the Power of God it may be you understand it as Winkfield did that God's Essential Power is Communicated which cannot be for then would the Creature to whom it 's Communicated be omnipotent And if thou would'st plainly speak out dost thou not think that the Light that every Man hath is part of the essential Power of God which is able to save every one that doth obey it Now Paul speaks not a word of the Light that is in every one here he speaks of his readiness to Preach the Gospel to them at Rome v. 15. which Gospel what it was he had declared before v. 3 4. viz. a Doctrine concerning Christ's being Incarnate and his Resurrection now he saith he is not ashamed of this Doctrine but thou and thy Brethren are for you Preach it now now the reason why he was not ashamed of it is because it is the Power of God c. i. e. The Spirit who is God made use of this Doctrine that many despised to the Salvation of many The Spirit conveyed it self into the hearts of the hearers by this Doctrine and wrought Faith in them to receive it Therefore that Scripture 1 Cor. 1.18 doth explain the Preaching of the Cross i. e. Christ Crucified at Jerusalem without any Allegory not a word here of G. F's Doctrine of a Light that every Man hath to be turned to which thou hast been deluded by is to them that perish foolishness I pray God it be not so to you but unto us which are saved it is the power of God Now Paul Rom. 1.17 proceeds to tell us how this Doctrine not the Law nor the Light nor any other Doctrine is that which the Spirit makes use of to convert change and save because thereby the righteousness of God is revealed from Faith to Faith In the Doctrine of the Gospel is revealed a Righteousness that every way answers the holy Law of God which is the Righteousness that God approves of If I will be beloved of God reconciled have life I must have a Righteousness compleat to bring to God now no Doctrine declares this but the Gospel that declares the Remission of sins by the sacrifice of Christ and that by the Obedience of this one we are made righteous his Obedience without us Now he faith it is revealed from Faith to Faith therefore Faith is not that Righteousness but receiveth it being revealed I have writ the more upon this Scripture because it is greatly made use of by you And some will see hereby that it is not for you at all but against you Let me add this to what thou sayest that being led away by sin is a departure from or denial of the power To whomsoever God gives Faith in this Righteousness he sanctifieth inwardly and whoever hath this Faith he hath it in a pure Conscience and who-ever makes shipwrack of a good Conscience as to morals it 's a Token to us that he hath made shipwrack of Faith likewise if he continue so without Repentance This departing denying of the Power begins in unbelief an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God Heb 3.11 The last Scripture thou bringest in is 2 Pet. 3.17 where the Apostle exhorts the beloved that knew the truth to beware left they also should be led away by the error of the wicked Now John what error is there scarce mentioned in the Scripture which thou and thy people are not guilty of In the late Scripture thou namest thou didst plainly read thy self in Hymeneus Now again what errour of the wicked in this vers 3. There shall come in the last days scoffers vers 4. saying Where is the promise of his coming for since the Fathers c. This was the error viz. They did not believe the second coming of Christ Now in the face of how many thousands have the Quakers denyed this speak of his coming again they answer he is come they witness his coming Tell them of that Scripture in remembrance of him till he come why Christ is come therefore the Lords Supper is antedated as to them Thus they are for an Allegorical coming the second time i. e. to the Spirit in giving heed to the Light and so it is without sin unto Salvation according to you Take heed lest your Salvation prove only Allegorical not real I have several times heard it can name one not long since of the Quakers of Hartford that hath spoke it That we that look for the second coming of Christ are but gazers and our eyes shall sink or rot in their holes before we see that day intimating it shall never be John the Scripture is against thee thou hadst better quote a piece of Jacob Beâ—eman J. C. pag. 6. The young man was fully of the Quakers way Spirit Faith and Principle Thy mistake also in this is very gross as may appear by the Answer to the young mans Book in this particular Answer I confess I said that the young man was fully of the Quakers way c. But it seems I am mistaken and that grosly as will appear by thy Brother Baylies Answers which I have looked over and find that the reason that he gives why this young man was no Quaker was because he did put off his Hat and was not satisfied in silent meetings So that I must it seems retract because I did not understand that these two things did essentially constitute a Quaker viz. Silence and Vnmannerliness so that even a Dumb Turk is a Quaker When wilt thou be ashamed of these things John J. C. pag. 6. Thou Say'st the young man was an honest Quaker 〈◊〉 to his perswasion as Luther said of himself before his Conversion c. 〈◊〉 which it 's thus replyed then what are they converted from or to that are 〈◊〉 true to their perswasion Examine thy self and thy people whether you is all things are true to your perswasion if nay then you are come so far a the honest Quaker by thy own confession Answer I said the young man was an honest Quaker c. because there be some Knavish Quakers John thou knowest as in Luthers time many pretended mortification under a Monks Cowle and at the same time were unclean sensualists So some of you it 's known pretend to exact honesty in trade and under pretence cheat
thee as to thy Wife and Estate to take them from thee What can be the tendency and import of this Phrase so frequently used in thy Book only that you think we have no Right or Claim to the Scriptures as our Rule or that you would if possible take them from us as the Pope from the People Your Rule we are sure they are not otherwise you walk not according to your Rule for ye practice not many things that Christ commanded in the Scriptures Baily It follows that the Faith that Justified them and their Salvation was without by a Righteousness or Person wholly without as ye do Reply I am not here concerned to Answer in that these are not my words nor the young Mans words my words were cited a little before in that same Page of thine line 4. the Reader may see them is this to do Justice Arguments of Baily to prove Man to be Justified by inherent Righteousness Answered B. PAg. 36. Did they not say their Faith wrought by Love Reply The Faith that receiveth Christ's Righteousness doth work by Love but as it works by Love in us it is not the Righteousness that Justifieth nor receiveth it any vertue or efficacy from this working by Love to Justifie us in the sight of God but still the Righteousness that Justifieth us is in the Person of Christ as its Subject Baily And purified their Hearts Acts 15.9 Reply There is a purifying the Heart in Sanctification and in Justification also and both are through Faith it is upon Faith we are Actually forgiven by the merits of Christ thus our hearts are cleansed from the guilt of sin and this is chiefly to be understood I apprehend in this Text. Again by Faith our Hearts are purified in that the New Creature begins in Faith upon our believing we are turned to God begin to Repent and be Holy but yet our Justification is not our Regeneration nor this purifying of the Heaâ—â— in our Sanctification the Righteousness whereby we are Justified B. And that the Righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in them who walk not after the Flesh Reply That Scripture Rom. 8. That the Righteousness of the Lâ—â— mighâ— be fulfilled in us cannot be meant that it should be fulfilled in our persons in that in v. 3. before he saith For what the Law could 〈◊〉 do in that it was weak through the Flesh Now if we could in our own persons fulfil the Law then might we be Justified by the deeds of it but in this v. 3. he had said the Law could not Justifie because it was weak through the Flesh i. e. since the fall none ever that was but meen Man could keep it so it was invalid to Justifie then it follows God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful Flesh c. That the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us By Christ coming in the Flesh and being a Sacrifice the Law was Answered in us he having our Nature and being our Head and Surety in our Room and the Law is not fulfilled by any other nor in any other way thou sayest in one place of thy Book that thou hast known the Scriptures from a Child O! that thou hadst but understood this one great place of Scripture thou wouldest never have turned Quaker B. And that the Anointing was in them and was their Teacher and that it was Truth and no Lie Reply May not this be true and yet the other Doctrine also The Spirit here spoke of is in all the Saints and is their Teacher what then did the Spirit therefore dye for the Church shed its Blood on the Cross was that made under the Law is there no distinction to be made betwixt Christ and the Spirit Is that which the Spirit works in the heart of a Saint that very self-same work and suffering and Obedience which Christ acted and sustained in Judea and at Jerusalem we are for inward Righteousness but this is not compleat enough to Justify us B. And was he not their Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption Reply In this Scripture these two viz. Righteousness and Sanctification are plainly distinguished which thou wouldst confound we have both from Christ and by him but they are not both one B. How their Salvation was wrought out with fear and trembling and â—…t it was God which wrought in them to will and to do of his own good â—…ure Reply As to the first of these we shall have an occasion to mention when we come to that part of the Book wherein he goeth about to prove all God's people to have been Quakers The other is true and 〈◊〉 own God's working in us both to will and to do every thing that 〈◊〉 good but yet neither our willing nor doing by his enabling of us is the Righteousness that Justifieth us in the light of God These are all thy Arguments to prove we are Justified by a Righteousness within not without how strong they be let the Reader Judg. After some Repetition of my words in the Epistle viz. Of Christ's being amongst us and that I said we eat his Flesh and drink his Blood that we have Christ both within and without c. Thou Paraphrasest thus B. Now if Jesus Christ dwelleth in you doth not the Saviour dwell in you and if you eat and drink his Flesh and Blood is it not then in you Reply The Saviour Christ is in us by his Spirit but yet neither is the whole person of Christ in us for he is Man as well as God this Union doth not confound our Person and his Person nor our Actions and his but they are distinct neither is this In-dwelling and Union the Righteousness that Justifieth us we eat and drink his Flesh and Blood by Faith so have the benefit of his Obedience Sufferings and Death the Spirit causing us to trust to the Merit of them as Sinners but yet the Flesh and Blood of Christ is not in us unless the Quakers will turn Carpocrations that asserted that they did really eat the substantial Bodily carnal Flesh and Blood of Christ or Papists that assert the very Flesh Blood and Bones of Christ are turned into the Bread or rather the Bread into the Body of Christ Yet the Quakers have asserted this that the Man Christ is within us meaning nothing but the Light within but of this before Thou intimates thus much here Baily that the Flesh and Blood of Christ is nothing else but the Light that is in every carnal wicked Man In the close of Pag. 36. B. Would not this be madness and folly for Paul to say I count all loss and dung that I may Win Christ and that I may be found in him not having those Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God worketh in me Reply I query and Answer plainly whether those Gifts and Vertues of the Spirit which he had within him were not his own Righteousness i. e. his own Faith Love Humilty and Prayers Tears Fastings
our Persons it is nothing but Sanctification the Quakers think nay nothing but an Obedienâ—â— to the Light that every Man hath B. According to the Scriptures of Truth Reply But yet not worthy to be the Quakers Rule it s well we call these Scriptures our Rule which are owned by the Quakers to be Scriptures of Truth B. And yet desire that the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our minds may stand Reply But why dost not thou speak out do you desire that they should stand for Justification B. Had not Gamaliel more Wisdom and Patience c. Who said iâ— the Work was of God it would stand and they could not overthrâ—â— it Reply That work was the Preaching of this Doctrine that we assert as thou mayst read in Acts 3.30 31. The Death of Christ and his Exaltation and Repentance and Remission of sins through him which Doctrine ye do plainly oppose and instead of Jesus of Nazareth ye set up Nature in his stead and say B. Man's own Righteousness is Rotten and must fail as in the last page of your Book Reply The young Man speaks this of a Righteousness that some go about to set up in opposition to the Righteousness of Christ apprehending which is true that there is no Christian that hath any 〈◊〉 of an inherent Righteousness but is so much inlightned that â—eseeth the way of Justification by the blood of Christ whoever then hath any such thoughts to make inward Righteousness to stand for Justification have indeed no true inward Righteousness but it s meerly 〈◊〉 they never had the Spirit aright nor Faith how can their Righteousness be but Rotten though indeed comparatively to Christ's personal Righteousness all Righteousness is but Rotten in that there 〈◊〉 mixture of the Flesh in the exercising all the parts of it though the Spirit of God be holy and pure that is the Author of it B. Who is Antichrist now W. H. the Quaker or thee Read 1 John 〈◊〉 3 4. and consider Reply It 's well W. B. If thou wouldest stand to the Test of this Scripture have you confessed that Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh 〈◊〉 which of the Quakers you will say ever denyed the History 〈◊〉 do not the Devils own the History to be true yea they gave their Testimony That he was the Son of God Mat. 8.29 Then this is not 〈◊〉 there must be something more Now surely Christ's coming 〈◊〉 Flesh was for some end some great end we ask what it was To be a propitiation or only as an Example if you think that Christ 〈◊〉 not to offer up himself as a Sacrifice to atone Justice and so to expiate for sin you do deny Christ to be come in the Flesh Again what is become of that Flesh we say it 's in being still in Heaven Christ is 〈◊〉 still hath the Nature of Man in Union with the Godhead but 〈◊〉 for you to cry up a Light in every Man to be the Christ the Mediator and so to overturn the Manhood of Jesus you plainly deny Christ to be come in the Flesh he is come in the Flesh in Man's Nature you say but that Nature is vanished you conceive and Christ withâ—â—◠〈◊〉 a great Idol as Pennington writ in a letter to Cobbet And must this Manhood of Christ ever be seen again no we are called Gazers by the Quakers that speak any such thing Why but surely this waâ— implyed in this comprehensive Character viz. Christ to be come in the Flesh Is not he in that Nature to Judg the World Acts 17. by 〈◊〉 Man whom he hath appointed was not this one end why he took it â—â— him but the Quakers deny any second coming but that coming to their Spirits and hearts in Obedience to the Light now who is Antichriâ—â— Baily To deny the Propitiation Sacrifice to say there is no Justification No Remission of sins indeed no Resurrection of Christ For if Christ 〈◊〉 no Manhood now how can we say his Body rose what became 〈◊〉 after the Resurrection no Ascension no Intercession no second 〈◊〉 therefore by all my discourse with them and perusing of their Writings I believe it thorowly and believed it when I writ and writ it then deliberately calmly and so do now and am willing to 〈◊〉 of your Faces in the most solemn publick Meetings you have to make it good that your Doctrine is Antichristian and in Diametrical opposition to the Apostles Doctrine B. For we can prove our Doctrine to be parallel with the Doctrine of the Apostles and Christ himself by the Scriptures of Truth Reply I suppose thou meanest that the Doctrine George Fox brought out of the North is of equal authority with that of the Apostles Paul Peter and John what ever it was nay with that of Christ in that George Fox was as infallibly inspired as any of them thou Judgeâ— in this 38. Page the Reader may take notice of this passage B. I testifie for God you call his true and faithful Witness in you 〈◊〉 Devil Reply Is this one of the Testimonies that the Quakers give for God to testify to a Lye a plain Lye Where do we call his true 〈◊〉 faithful Witness in us the Devil The Devil the young man 〈◊〉 had two Cards to play which were Objections c. The sum is thâ— viz. He was tempted once to be loose upon the breaking in of Light and again to despair upon misapprehension that only sins to the 〈◊〉 of Conversion were taken away by the blood of Christ Now 〈◊〉 is it but the Devil that would drive Souls either into Loosness or Despair but how any can say that he calls the Light within the Devil from hence I see not There is only thus much in it that after God undeceived him and had shewn him that the Light within was not the Christ nor sufficient for Salvation but rather misguided himâ—â—â— several things and then the Spirit of Jesus did truly lead him to 〈◊〉 right Christ and gave him some sound knowledge then steps in Sâ—tan with his Temptations to blind and mislead him Thou mightest 〈◊〉 well say that when-as it is writ That Christ spoke to Peter Get 〈◊〉 behind me Satan that was the Light within Christ calls it Satan Wheâ— he told Peter that Satan had a desire to Winnow him i. e. the Light within the true and faithful Witness he speaks this of B. It 's the Word of the Lord unto you all Reply And yet quarrels with us for calling the Scriptures the Word 〈◊〉 B. And thou W. H. saith the Quakers catch many simple hearts and 〈◊〉 them in perfect Popish Slavery and Bondage and callest them Foxes 〈◊〉 Seducers Reply This hath been made good abundantly in the Answer to Crook where he takes notice of the same thing and here is not a word spoke 〈◊〉 to any purpose to invalidate my Charge Let the Reader new my Lines which would be tedious to transcribe Only pag. 39. 〈◊〉
while in his Natural State knoweth not hingof this It is a Riddle as it was to Nicodemus that had more than the Light within the Light of the Scriptures 7. The Mystery of the Redemption of Man from the Fall by the Sacrifice of Christ It 's utterly ignorant of it cannot see any thing of it nor shew it to Man But this seems foolishness to Man the Doctrine of being saved by the Cross of Christ It was so to the Greeks and is so to the Quakers at this day None of the Heathens therefore spoke any thing of Redemption by Christ if they did they had it from Moses Writings and the Prophets No these things are too high 1. That very God should become very Man 2. That a Virgin should bring forth 3. That by giving up that Body that he took into Union with himself unto Death he should make Atonement to God's Justice and expiate for all the sins of all those that were given to him These Man that hath no more than the Common Light cannot will not receive 8. The Resurrection of the same Body is a thing that this Light will not discover It is only the Scripture-Revelation The Heathens knew nothing of this but it was a scorn to them Jesus and the Resurrection And the Quakers attending to the Light within more than the Scriptures do err as to this Truth and gain say it 9. It cannot shew That the Soul of a Saint is immediately with Christ upon the departure from the Body nor indeed any thing of a future state This must be known by Scripture-Revelation According to that 2. Tim. 1.10 Life and Immortality was brought to Light through the Gospel 2. There is a Light that every Man hath not but is peculiar to the Saints Those that are born again and converted from their fallen Estate and condition and put into another state through Christ Jesus This we have proved before from the Scriptures only will add thus much viz. God suffered all Nations it 's said to walk in their own waies Acts 14.16 but had at that time a people Israel in the midst of the Nations Of whom he said Psal 147. He shewed his Word unto Jacob his Statutes and Judgments unto Israel he hath not dealt so with any Nation and as for his Judgments they have not known them Here it 's plain he gave Light and Knowledg to Israel and suffered others to walk in their Natural blindness 3. This Light is at the same time in a Saint with the other that is 〈◊〉 saving Light 4. This Light is a true Light as to it 's kind and Nature as far as it will reach 5. But that this Light that every Man hath and that we speak of which every one hath not are two different Lights as to kind and Nature and not only as to Degree as the Quakers would have it I prove as followeth 1. If the Roots from whence these two Lights do spring be different then the Lights differ in Kind and Nature But the former is true Ergo. Christ as a Creator is the Root and Fountain of this that every one hath but Christ as Mediator is the Root of the Light that the Saints have I prove that the Light that every Man hath is from Christ only as Creator If whatever Adam had in his State of Innocency was only from Christ as Creator not as Mediator Then this Light that every Man hath is only from thence But the former is true Ergo. If the Light that every Man hath be only a remnant of that same Light that Adam had in Innocency Then the consequence will hold But it is only a remnant c. Ergo. If it be nothing but Nature then the Minor of the last Syllogism is true viz. that it is nothing but a remnant of the Light that Adam had in Innocency But it 's no more than Nature which I have proved before Argument 2. If the Light that every one hath differ only in Degree and not in Kind from the Spirit of Regeneration then the most wicked ungodly person may be said to be truly Gracious and Sanctified and Regenerated though not in such a high Degree as a Godly one For the smallest Wire of good Gold is as truly Gold as the whole Wedg though not so much Water hot in the second or third Degree is as truly hot as that which is hot in the sixth or eighth Degree He that is strong in a less Degree is as truly strong as he that is in a greater Degree But what a ridiculous thing is it to say that the most wicked Man is a true Believer a true Saint When-as he is so far from this that he is not truely Moral and Civil 3. If they differ only in Degree then a Regenerate Man and an unregenerate differ no more from one another than a Babe in Christ and one strong in Christ But to say this is false Ergo. 4. If having the Light within be consistent with all manner of Wickedness and continuing in it to the end but the having of the other Light is not Then they surely differ in Nature and Kind But the former is true as all see and know daily Many that have the Light within which the Quakers speak of are Wicked Ungodly and continue â—â—to the end None that have the Spirit of Regeneration are so and continue so They may fall into sin but do not continue in it nor make a Trade of it He that is born of God cannot sin because he is born of God 1 John 3. 9. 5. If a Man may have the Light within which the Quakers speak of and yet be dead in Sins and Trespasses but not the other but must needs be spiritually alive in that it is the Principle of Spiritual Life then they differ in kind But the former is true For every one had the Light within the Quakers grant But every one is not Spiritually alive but most dead in sins and Trespasses Ergo. 6. If those that have the Light within which the Quakers speak of may go to Hell with it and the damned in Hell have it still in them then they differ more than in Degree But the former is true Otherwise what is that which accuseth in Hell and condemneth in Hell Answer But now to say that any part of the Spirit of Regeneration Adoption goeth to Hell and is in the Damned would be ridiculous if not Blasphemous Ergo. 7. If Flesh and Spirit differ more than in Degree then these two Lights do But surely Flesh and Spirit differ more than in Degree Ergo. All the Light that every Man has as he comes into the World is but Flesh John 3. Whatsoever is born of the Flesh is Flesh Now Flesh and Spirit are so far from being of the same kind that they are contrary one to another and lusteth one against another Baily If thou writest again Answer these Arguments fairly then thou mayest go far to reduce me to thy mind in
Pardon Peace Holiness Eternal-Life This word Drink is but a Metaphorical word implying that we can have no Benefit nor Good by Christ except there be an Application by Faith Baily For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts and Mark 7.21 22 23. From within out of the heart of Men proceed evil thoughts Adulteries and defile the Man Now must not these evil thoughts be purged out But how and by what means must these evil thoughts be purged Seeing they are within Must not the Antidot be taken inwardly when the Poison is within What is it that must cleanse but the precious Blood of Christ Reply This is the sum of what thou sayest in Pag. 43. We grant that sin comes from within therefore is there a Fountain within from whence these evils flow which we call Original sin Every Man is tempted Jam. 1.14 When he is drawn away of his own Lust c. Rom. 7. Sin wrought in me all manner of Concupiscence This the Quakers deny Now Man in his Natural state can do nothing else but sin Gen. 6. The Imagination of the thought of his heart is only evil continually notwithstanding all the Light he hath within Hereupon must there needs be great defilements upon his Mind and Conscience 1 Tiâ—â— 15. Their Mind and Conscience are defiled This defilement consists in the guilt of Sin and in the power and presence of sin These defilements must be taken away and there is nothing will do it but the Sufferings and Blood of Christ Now the guilt of sin is taken away by God's Act of not imputing sin to us upon Faith Which Faith is wrought in us by his Spirit in that Christ was made sin for us 2 Cor. 5.21 As for the power of sin this is broke in us by the New Creature and Sanctification which begins in Faith on Christ Now as this work is carried on in the Soul so the presence of sin is more removed But it 's the will of God that the work of Sanctification should not be so absolutely perfect in this Life So that Sin hath some presence in the best of Saints yet no condemnation to them because they are in Christ See then we are for an inward work upon the heart of Man a work of Sanctification which the Light of Nature will never produce but there is a necessity of the Spirit of Grace to be given This work is but the Fruit of the shedding of the Blood of Christ Thereupon it is that we have Faith given as well as pardon Phil. 1.29 To you it is given 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 on the behalf of Christ not only to believe c. All this pains Baily that thou hast taken is only the Reader now seeth to throw down Christ's glorious Person and set up corrupt Nature in his place And by Blood and purging c. is nothing meant by you but the Light within and Obedience to that I would not omit any thing that hath the least shew of Argument and desire thee Baily if thou write again to do the like by me The next Scripture is 1. Pet. 1.19 Baily Speaking of the Blood Did it not Redeem people formerly from their vain conversation Reply Yea it did and it doth now and nothing else It was not the Light within Many had this the Jews had it the Fathers of these he is writing to yet they walked in vain Conversation i. e. in error and superstitions after Traditions as he there speaks And so multitudes of Heathens at this day and many in this Nation But whoever Christ hath died for shall effectually be called from such a Conversation The offering up of himself was the Meritorious cause of all Holiness Whoever then walk in the vain Conversation of error false Worships Superstitions Wickednesses to the end manifest Christ never dyed for them They were not Redeemed nor bought with his precious Blood In the last Parag. of the 43. pag. thou speakest of the Indwelling of Christ in his people by his Spirit 2 Cor. 6. I will dwell in them c. And of his presence in the Gospel-Churches walking in the midst of his Golden Candlesticks Reply Both these surely are consistent with Christ's being a person without and all his suffering without These all are but Fruits of Christ's dying for his Church But before I leave this one Scripture in Prov. 16. thou hast viz. By Mercy and Truth Iniquity is purged What meanest thou by this I am afraid thou art a down-right Papist The Papists say that by Alms-giving Iniquity is taken away Dost thou think so For that is Mercy So by doing to others as we would be done by is sin pardoned for this is Truth and Righteousness Speak out Is there any thing that Man can do which thou dost here imply that can take away his iniquity Is this the Blood that thou owned'st before Then may many unclean Drunkards have their iniquities purged yet remain so For several of them it 's known are merciful to the Poor and true in their Words and Promises and Righteous in their Trades Surely then it is more safe to understand this Scripture of the Mercy and Truth of God his Mercy promising forgiveness through Christ and his Truth in making this promise good Thus is Iniquity Forgiven Redeemed Covered In the Hebrew it is in Mercy and in Truth is iniquity redeemed or covered Thou art a very unhappy Man in citing Scriptures In the 44 and 45. pag. I find nothing of any weight or Argument Let the Reader view it Much of pag. 44. is the very same that he said before of me and of the young Man he sends some shot in Railing in Parag. 2. and breaks forth into the Praises of the Quakers and Thraso-like boasts in his confidence And thus goeth on threatning all but themselves as Babylon and Antichrist At length concludes pag. 45. in the 4th Parag. in Prayer He begins thus viz. Arise O God c. he ends with a Doxology viz. To whom be everlasting Praises Glory and Thanksgiving from all that know thy Name God over all Heaven and Earth blessed for ever and ever Hallelujah Now I have read over the Prayer once again I find not one word of Christ in it nothing desired in his Name or for his sake and am greatly jealous and desire therefore to be satisfied in this Question having said so much before as thou hast Whether thou dost pray this Prayer to any other Person or thing than the Light within which thou callest here God over all Heaven and Earth blessed for ever giving Halelujahs to it If thou write again I pray thee resolve me who thou prayest to and why not in the Name of the Mediator Jesus In pag. 46. The Reader may see much of the same he had before applying himself to me calling me to an account for what I have written appealing to my Conscience Where there is this passage Parag 1. And see if thou canst stand by them when
examined to thy Face Reply I have said enough upon this account in my Epistle to Crook and say here in all Calmness I have not wronged the Quakers but have acted in all things according to my Light and Conscience and it doth not in the least upbraid me If for any thing it is that I have not used more diligence and boldness in preventing their gross and damnable errors And now I am ready to speak with thee Face to Face or any of you Baily Pag. 47. Whom thou sayest is a Quaker converted to Christianity as if the Quakers were no Christians Shewing thy Envy against them and thy Ignorance or wilful-blindness concerning the Scriptures of Truth in which may be seen plentifully that God's People whom he hath regard unto above all people in all Ages were such as trembled at his Word As in Isa 66. And Moses was a leading Quaker Heb. 12. and Ezekiel was a Quaker see Chap. 12.18 And Daniel a Man greatly â—â—loved was a Trembler Chap. 10.11 12. And Paul preached in much trembling 1 Cor. 2. 3. And Paul bid the Christians Work out their Salvation with fear and trembling Phil. 2. 12. And exhorted Servants to obey their Masters with fear and trembling Ephes 6.5 And the true Christians received Titus with fear and trembling 2 Cor. 7.15 Reply I wish for thy own Credits sake thou hadst forborn these â—nes Every Babe in Christ smiles when they read them seeing the weakness and impertinency of them I find that the Quakers are very much distasted that we allow them not to be Christians Now how on they be Christians if they hold not the Head the Person of Christ â—ut make the Light within the Head of the Church I wish not onâ—y they but all the World were not almost but altogether Christians Were you but sound in the Faith had ye but the Vital Essential part of Christians what a good addition would there be by you to the Church of Christ Ah! have ye suffered so many things in vain in this Nation But it is not amiss to call a Spade a Spade Ye must I dare say change your Religion from top to bottom before ye be owned Christians by God's people in this Nation But to the thing Thou wilt prove them Christians thus viz. If the Christians of old â—ere Quakers then the Quakers now are Christians But the former is true thou sayest by many Scriptures which thou hast quoted Before we come to examine the instances let me but Query How this people came to be thus called Was it not upon their strange fits of bodily Tremblings which they had in their first Rise wherein all their flesh and bones would tremble I take it for granted having spoke with some that have seen them thrown upon the ground in this posture Now that such bodily Tremblings as these are essential to Christians and to the people of God as such I deny they never had such except it was upon some dreadful Visions or Appearances as you in the least can by no claim to This is no part of Christianity Though we do not censure the Quakers as no Christians because they trembled thus but because they deny Christ himself from whom that Name is derived and the Christian Doctrine So that your Religion is a Religion of another kind and sort and Species much more like Mahumetanism or Judaism or Heathen-Philosophy than Christianity Now to the Scriptures which prove the people of God of old Quakers Isa 66. v. 5. Such as tremble at my Word This is the first Scripture Reply Was this bodily Trembling here spoke of Is there not in the same verse a contrite Spirit mentioned Was it not in Spirit having a Holy awe and Child-like fear of the threatnings of God 2. Moses was a Leading Quaker Heb. 12. This may be spoken of Moses some think not as if it were verified in his own Person as if he did quake but he is brought in as the Mouth of the people speaking in the Name of the people Moses said i. e. in the Name of all the people he being a Mediator betwixt God and them See Exod. 19.19 20. that for all this it 's said there he spake to God and God called him and he went up to the Mount But be it so Was it not upon an Extraordinary occasion Had you ever the like Visions as the burning Mount Did you ever hear the voice of God Was your Doctrine among the Mountains in the North delivered with that Augustness as the Law at Mount Sinai But again grant he did quake was it any part of his Religion oâ— Christianity Nay it only argued this that he was imperfect a sinner legal in part It 's said in that Chapter that it ought not to be thus with Christians viz. to fear thus and tremble nor be discouraged For they are come to Mount-Sion and to the Blood of sprinkling being delivered from a cursing fiery Law and are come unto a State where there should be nothing but Peace Joy and sweetness The next is Ezekiel He was a Quaker in Chap. 12.17 18. The word of the Lord came to me saying Son of Man eat thy Bread with Quaking and drink thy water with trembling Now have you the same Reason for yours as this Prophet for his Any immediate Vision or Revelations by Angels Spirits Voices c. prove it to us Then the next Quaker that is brought is Daniel Chap. 10 11. in a â— you read of a marvelous Vision Daniel had which you dare not say you have any such amongst you which was the cause of his Trembling As for Pauls trembling prove it such Bodily trembling as yours We deny it and say it was not such That in Phil. 2. 12. was not Bodily Trembling but an holy fear and reverence of God in their Spirits rousing them from security upon consideration of the Decrees of God So the other two mentioned as to Servants and Titus But is' t not a strange Argument whereby to prove the Quakers Christians because the Prophets did upon some extraordinary Visions tremble in their Bodies and because others in their Ministry of the Word and servants in their places were not proud and secure but tender and modest and had a Child-like fear of God in their hearts therefore all Christians â—are Quakers and all Quakers Christians But excepting these extraordinary Cases what do these Tremblings signifie â—â—t horror and despair Who trembles more than Devils who believe 〈◊〉 tremble Doth it not argue that you rather come with the Doctrine of the Law the Covenant of Works which indeed you Preach â—an the Gospel As if you had been only at Mount-Sinai The Gospel Spirit is not a Spirit of such fear but of power love and of a sound 〈◊〉 And the more we get into a Spirit of Love the more is this 〈◊〉 cast out But to conclude I wonder not that any that are found upon the â—aw of works not owning the Mediator his Death Suffering Obedience
because by obedience to it 〈◊〉 may be delivered from some sin And he is ready to say This is 〈◊〉 that loved me before I loved him Thus misapprehending those 〈◊〉 words in the Scriptures which are to be understood of the Perâ—â— of Christ as a Saviour and a Redeemer As that viz. Walk in the â—ight as he is in the Light and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth 〈◊〉 all Sin And ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make ye 〈◊〉 And many more which might be reckoned up are all falsly apâ—yed to the Light within and the power that doth accompany it 〈◊〉 so according to the Quaker the Saviour the Redeemer the Blood which â—lâ—anseth are all within changing renewing quickning bringing 〈◊〉 perfection Without which they say There is no Salvation so that 〈◊〉 directly runs to the Tenet of those mentioned Acts 15.1 and in the Epistle to the Galatians who said they must be Circumcised and keep the Law of Moses without which they could not be saved 〈◊〉 the contest was about Circumcision yet the Law of Moses 〈◊〉 something more than Circumcision this likewise viz. Thou shal◠〈◊〉 the Lord thy God with all thy Heart Soul and Strength and thy 〈◊〉 bour as thy self Which no Man since the Fall was ever 〈…〉 Christ excepted as appeareth Acts 15.10 the Law is called 〈◊〉 which neither we nor our Fathers were able to bear And who were 〈◊〉 Fathers but Abraham Isaac and Jacob which were saved by 〈◊〉 and not by Works Rom. 4.1 2 3. But thou sayest Baily that Moses was a leading-Quaker when trembled at Mount Sinai at the terrible appearance of the Lord in 〈◊〉 the Law Declaring that we are under the dispensation of the Coveâ—â—â— Works But was Moses saved by that terrible Appearance No 〈◊〉 looked unto Christ to come in the flesh For he had Faith it's 〈◊〉 received not the promise Heb. 11.39 i. e. They lived not in this 〈◊〉 to see the accomplishment of the Promise of Christ to come in the 〈◊〉 Wherefore it appears that ye believe that the Blood Saviour Redâ—â—â— are within That Person that was put to death at Jerusalem raised 〈◊〉 Life again whom God hath Exalted Acts 5.30 31. Which is 〈◊〉 born of Mary for the Godhead could not dy and rise again 〈◊〉 he Exalted but the Manhood And not only this Person but 〈◊〉 wise Reconciliation in that Body of his Flesh the Peace through 〈◊〉 Blood of his Cross are little worth with you Quakers And so 〈◊〉 wel Gospel But the Light the Life the Power within as you 〈◊〉 it is all your Justifying Righteousness And so the Law with 〈◊〉 become the Gospel and the Gospel the Law Moses Christ and 〈◊〉 Moses Thus the poor Soul is shut up in Prison to work for Liâ—â— Salvation as I have said according to the Quakers Doctrine 〈◊〉 there is an end of Christ and the Gospel Not that I deny good 〈◊〉 in their place So that your Condition and State which I was once in may 〈◊〉 be compared to Bondage The Lord be merciful to you Furthermore Thou sayest Baily that in my asserting the Light 〈◊〉 which I was convinced of sin and by obedience there unto thoughâ— should be brought into the Image of Christ and in that Righteoâ—ness be accepted with God and delivered from Wrath to come 〈◊〉 to be the Light of the Spirit But only the same Light by which 〈◊〉 Heathens did by Nature things contained in the Law That I am 〈◊〉 a denyer of the Scripture which Scriptures thou sayest are John 〈◊〉 and again in Tit. 2.11.9 p. 29. of thy Book Both which places 〈…〉 〈◊〉 you told me were spoken of Christ he being called in one place 〈◊〉 in another Grace 〈…〉 that lighteth every Man and appeareth unto all Men is 〈…〉 the same according to you 〈◊〉 speak a little to the first Scripture 〈…〉 thou art out for I deny not the Scripture but your sence 〈◊〉 â—â—â—uing of the Scripture And I have good ground to judg and 〈◊〉 that thou mayest with thy friends corrupt the right meaning the Scripture for your own ends as thou hast our words and Wriâ—â— notwithstanding your pure Light For in saying W. Haworth 〈◊〉 the Deity and Godhead which the Barbarous people saw by when apprehended Paul to be a Murderer in pag. 29. and saith I have â—â—â—dicted my Companion Which is a Lye with which you have 〈◊〉 the heap of Confusion For W. H. doth not say By the 〈◊〉 but In the Deity they saw it As I by my eye see a Glory in the 〈◊〉 But the Glory of the Sun is not therefore my eye by which I 〈◊〉 God hath placed an understanding faculty in the Soul of Man 〈◊〉 he comes to know something of God It doth not follow â—â—â—upon that this faculty is God 〈◊〉 thou abusest our Words in affirming the Faith that justifieth 〈◊〉 wrought out by a person wholly without Man as in pag. 35. gâ—â—â—â— to make people apprehend that we say Faith is without as well 〈◊〉 Person Jesus Christ When as I said in pag. 19. speaking of imâ—â— Righteousness It was manifested to me in the Spirit working 〈◊〉 in me So here is a plain wrong done us yet we say that Faith 〈◊〉 the matter of Justification think of us as thou wilt but the Instruâ—â—â— which we lay hold of the Matter of Justification viz. the â—â—â—â—nal Righteousness of Jesus Christ This Faith God worketh in his 〈◊〉 by his Spirit according as it is written He shall testifie of me 〈◊〉 15.16 In pag. 51. S. Crisp saith I have cast of Christs Yoke and Burden 〈◊〉 â—ot to Sieal tell lies speak evil words c. and cautioneth the 〈◊〉 therefore to take heed of me pag. 50. Whereas I said in pag. 〈◊〉 the little Book that I ought to lead a good Conversation 1. For 〈◊〉 of God 2. To manifest my Love to Jesus Christ 3. To Conâ—â—â— the World of Sin c. Pag. 16. Faith is the Spring from whence true Christian-works do 〈◊〉 Pag 19. This Faith ingageth to Love the Lord. Pag. 20. Holding Faith in a pure Conscience hoping to be found 〈◊〉 my self Thus you abuse us turning our words to your sence and meaning because we will not admit of those Works wrought in us by the Spirit to come in to Justification But dare say so to do is no other but 〈◊〉 destroying of the Gospel 〈◊〉 a despising of Christ and making Man service his Saviour Therefore you would make the people believe thaâ— we are against good-works and Sanctification Surely in this Censure you pass you did not obey your Light 〈◊〉 else your Light cannot inform you aright which sheweth it to be impure and unsound But to the Scripture thou mentionest John 1.9 That was the true Light which Lighteth every Man that cometh into the World 1. As to that Phrase True Light I believe it was Jesus Christ 〈◊〉 of the Virgin Mary God and Man united in One. As
with such Blasphemies viz. Given forth by the Spirit through the Trunk of the Body of FOX or such a one Horrible Pride And therefore do your Disciples at this day account their Writings of equal Authority with the Writings of the Apostles nay beyond them because a newer Revelation of a later Date you be advanced to a good Degree but to the thing now what is this instance of an extraordinary Power of the Spirit to the ordinary working of Gifts in Sanctification which thou art treating of There are 7 Lines follows that are but Queries to the same purpose as before which I have Answered fully to viz. I have said in My Answer that we are for acting and doing and by the Holy Ghost yet dares not trust to it but to Christ In the End of this Paragraph you have this Neither is it we that speak as we are kept truly â—lent out of all our own thoughts but the Holy Ghost in us Mark 13.11 Answ Here is speaking and yet silence Reconcile contraries as you can that place in Mark speaks of the Holy Ghost being promised to the Disciples in times of Persecution to assist them in their Confessions of this Faith I am pleading for viz. Salvation by a Crucified Jesus as their Righteousness when they should be called to an account before Tribunals as if we could not have the Assistance of the Holy Ghost to enable before Magistrates or Quakers to confess the Faith but we must of necessity make this assistance our very Righteousness that Justifies us what weakness is this J. C. Pag. 15. Thou sayest our Righteousness is but the Righteousness of mere Man c. And yet before saith it consists in the Gifts and Vertues thâ— the Holy Ghost works in our minds See thy Confusion from thy 〈◊〉 words Answ I can see none and let the Reader Judg Thy Soul 〈◊〉 is the Soul of a meer Man yet the parts of it consist in Understanding and Will which God hath created and given the Light within is the Light of a meer Man yet it consists in a Faculty which God hath given of discerning Moral good and evil and a reflex Act of Coâ—science in accusing or excusing according to a Mans Actings thereunto So here when I say the Spirit works these there is the efficient cause when I say of meer Man there is the Subject in which it is wrought still to distinguish it from that Righteousness that Justifies that is the Righteousness of one who is God and Man Colâ—ss 2.9 This Scripture proves Christ to be God and Man for in him dwelleth All the fulness of the Godhead Bodily What is that Him and what that Fulness of the Godhead Where is now Confusion Reader J. C. pag. ibid. One Righteousness is perfect and compleat the other 〈◊〉 faulty imperfect and incompleat thou wouldest make them two in nature and kind the one from Heaven the other on Earth the one Christ's the other ours and yet saith it is incompleat as to Degree then they must be one in kind for Degrees varie not kind or Nature Answ That thy heart smote thee a little when thou was writing this John appears to me by thy way of expressing they self Thou sayest I would make them two in Nature and Kind c. Why then there was something spoken that made it evident as that the one was Christ's the other ours That an Adversary could not but take notice of it Degrees thou sayest varie not kind which is true in things of the same Nature But here I have plainly by thy own Confession made them of various Natures then this Sentence viz. faulty imperfect incompleat as to Degree must necessarily be restrained as to those things of their own Nature of which I am speaking viz. our own Righteousness and no more is in it than this viz. That the Spirit in working it in our Souls doth not work it up to that height as that 〈◊〉 thing of sin remains in us but as to the other Righteousness there was no spot in Christ Remember the Proverb Rather than Satan will 〈◊〉 he will play at a small Game Rather than thou willt not manifest thy enmity against Imputed Righteousness and be a Patron of our own to Justify us to take off from Christ thou wilt play a small low Game J. C. Pag. ibid. So it is manifest that thou knowest not what thou sayest such is thy confusion no marvel while thou errest from the form of sound words calling it a Righteousness contrived where findest thou such a word iâ— Scripture Answ Let the Reader judg if I know not what I say thou art a â—â—â—ty and not sit to judg in the Case now by saying the Form of 〈◊〉 words and then mentioning the Scriptures who would think 〈◊〉 J. C. began to be ashamed of the Quakers Principles and to own the Scriptures for the Rule which his Brother Bayly disowns and that 〈◊〉 was again returned to his old Christianity from which he had Apostatized and grew weary of those many uncouth strange words and Gibberish Language that Fox brought out of the North resolving to fashion all his words in his Prayers hereafter according to the Dialect of the Scriptures Oh that it might prove true Yet how can I but say this that an Ape that is most like a Man and yet of another kind is one of the most ill-favouredst of the Bruits so it rendereth thee most ridiculous in our eye when we see thee here Ape it so like a Christian and yet knoweth that thou art of a different Species Speak and write like a Quaker or else utterly forsake them my eye hath been deceived sometimes by the Art of Limning in thinking I have seen Living Creatures Men and Women Lions Bulls c. and yet turn but the other side and nothing but a thin painted Past-Board So here I fear many be deceived with thy expressions in thy lines wherein thou appears to a weak eye a Living real sound substantial Christian but I hope I have turned the other side and now it appears thou art but still a thin dead liveless rotten Apostate and Quaker only painted over with better Colours and a little more Art Thou hast got the Art that Gaptains have at Sea that they may have the greater advantage and thou thinkest it Lawful as they do thou comest up to us thinking to board us presently with an English 〈◊〉 and Colours when as thou art absolutely a French Man I have heard lately from one that hath read J. C's Books that in one of his Books he expresses himself to be for this viz. a Liberty for Quakers to admit themselves into all Churches of what Judgment soever This is the Man that is for overcoming not by force of Argument but 〈◊〉 Stratagems This is Romes way at this day And remember that 〈◊〉 writ before an Answer which J. C. gave to one that charged him with what he had said viz. If they were my Words that was